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I currently have an S4 on Sprint. The screen cracked a couple weeks ago and I'm ready for my upgrade. I would like to stay on Sprint and I don't mind using my upgrade eligibility to get a big discount (which rules out a phone like the Moto Pure).
I want a bigger phone, ideally 5.7. I want something with an improved battery life (shouldn't be hard my s4 has a SOT of like 3 hours at most). I don't care about not being able to swap the battery or expandable storage. I want a better camera. I want something that will eventually be able to flash custom roms (seems like the note5 is getting close to this).
Why shouldn't I get one in about a week? What phones are better? Again - whatever phone I buy is going to come from the carrier, so something like a used note4 is not an option. Thanks!
The note 5 will work well for most of your needs. But I'm not sure about custom roms though. I'm not sure about the future but right now, development is slow. There is one custom rom at the moment it looks like for sprint. Something like the moto x or the next nexus may be better if development is important to you since they should work across all carriers. The exynos processor and multiple carrier versions will hurt development. But camera and battery life have been amazing (for me at least, some may disagree).
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The new z5 premium also looks nice (will it work on Sprint?)
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I won't talk you out of buying a Note 5, simply because this is the best phone I have ever owned.
The camera, the hardware, the speed, the customization, the sound coming through headphones, the call quality, the battery life, and dat S PEN! Well worth my upgrade and money.
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The new note afaik has an issue with the pen, which when inserted backwards makes it stuck. There are ways to carefully extract it, but you can easily break the S-pen sensor.
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I currently have an S4 on Sprint. The screen cracked a couple weeks ago and I'm ready for my upgrade. I would like to stay on Sprint and I don't mind using my upgrade eligibility to get a big discount (which rules out a phone like the Moto Pure).
I want a bigger phone, ideally 5.7. I want something with an improved battery life (shouldn't be hard my s4 has a SOT of like 3 hours at most). I don't care about not being able to swap the battery or expandable storage. I want a better camera. I want something that will eventually be able to flash custom roms (seems like the note5 is getting close to this).
Why shouldn't I get one in about a week? What phones are better? Again - whatever phone I buy is going to come from the carrier, so something like a used note4 is not an option. Thanks!
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Get a note 4..... If you can find one
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The new note afaik has an issue with the pen, which when inserted backwards makes it stuck. There are ways to carefully extract it, but you can easily break the S-pen sensor.
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That issue is 100% user error. I'm not worried about that
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Get a note 4..... If you can find one
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As I said, I want to take advantage of my upgrade discount so I can't get a note 4. I could find one, but I would be paying 400$+ as opposed to the 250$ i can get the note5 from Sprint for.
oy yes TW, lag and very few custom roms.
My old phone was also a Galaxy S4. I used my upgrade to get the Note 5 and couldn't be happier. To be honest on Sprint the Note 5 is probably the best phone you can get
well...something to consider before buying..the AT&T and verizon variants come with locked bootloaders...
if you have small hands...this is not for you....one hand text sucks big time! Speaker isnt that loud as far as notification goes, unless you root your phone and modify some values. Battery is Decent, you get about 4-5 hours SOT. Dev is so-so on tmobile and international version. I think thats about it. This is my first Note series, all the past note are way too big for me, even this one is big for me, but I can work around it.
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if you have small hands...this is not for you....one hand text sucks big time! Speaker isnt that loud as far as notification goes, unless you root your phone and modify some values. Battery is Decent, you get about 4-5 hours SOT. Dev is so-so on tmobile and international version. I think thats about it. This is my first Note series, all the past note are way too big for me, even this one is big for me, but I can work around it.
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There is actually a feature on the device that lets you slide a keyboard to the side for smaller hands. They were thinking of you and people who text and drive
I had it all...all s series and note series and i was a litle sceptic about removing sd and battery but now I have note 5 in my hands and I have to say it is the BEST phone I had and I had it all and I am from EUROPE
I swore myself off TouchWiz after I owned my S4, it was my least favorite android phone. But after I had a really bad experience with the LG G4, I returned it and swapped it for a Note 5. Absolutely loving this phone. Never have had a phone this snappy even after loading it up with all my apps etc. I always notice that out of the box phones are great, and invariably after a week of use they bog down... Not this thing. Software is way toned down as far as TouchWiz is concerned. The S Pen is a pretty great touch. After having it, I realize if you're going to have a large device, might as well maximize functionality and have a stylus and some decent software to go along with it. I give this phone a solid 9/10, 9 because of the no expandable memory but really is a moot point with cloud storage being so good these days, and free. Also, if you're looking to flash custom stuff, consider that Knox will trip and you'll lose out on Samsung pay and other features requiring intact security flag. Definitely cruise over to the Note 5 sprint development page to see what's available before making a jump.
Really I don't think you can go wrong with this device. It's very well done, and has a very premium feel for a device, a first for Samsung... Finally I feel like I'm getting what I pay for
Love the hardware, hate the software. You definitely get what you pay for when it comes to the hardware, it's really fantastic. But I can't get over how much this phone lags for me and how quickly the battery dies so I will be switching back to an iPhone once the 6s Plus is released. On my old 6 Plus I could end the day with 50% battery, on my Note 5 I have to charge around 5 PM, extremely disappointed. But if you can deal with Android the Note 5 seriously is probably the best out right now.
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Love the hardware, hate the software. You definitely get what you pay for when it comes to the hardware, it's really fantastic. But I can't get over how much this phone lags for me and how quickly the battery dies so I will be switching back to an iPhone once the 6s Plus is released. On my old 6 Plus I could end the day with 50% battery, on my Note 5 I have to charge around 5 PM, extremely disappointed. But if you can deal with Android the Note 5 seriously is probably the best out right now.
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I've been surfing this forum and am shocked seeing how many people are complaining about bad battery life. I honestly think it is certain carriers. Which model and carrier do you have?
Because I have AT&T and my battery life is exceptional. It is to the point where I don't even worry about battery life anymore.
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I've been surfing this forum and am shocked seeing how many people are complaining about bad battery life. I honestly think it is certain carriers. Which model and carrier do you have?
Because I have AT&T and my battery life is exceptional. It is to the point where I don't even worry about battery life anymore.
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I have Verizon, I've even gone and used Package Disabler Pro to turn most of the bloat off and have full strength signal the whole day. I've gone from not having to worry at all about battery to seeing it drop to 75% after 3 hours of barely any use.
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I have Verizon, I've even gone and used Package Disabler Pro to turn most of the bloat off and have full strength signal the whole day. I've gone from not having to worry at all about battery to seeing it drop to 75% after 3 hours of barely any use.
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Bro, something is wrong. It's either verizon royally screwed something up in their software or you have a defective phone. No joke.
My Note 5 sips battery and all I did was disable all the AT&T bloatware, I didn't even use that app. I am consistently getting 20-25 hours off the charger and 5-8 hours of screen on time. I'm not over exaggerating either.
Losing 75% in 3 hours of not doing much is definitely a problem. I would see if other verizon users are experiencing the same. If not, I would exchange it for a new one unless you are already hell bent on getting the iPhone.
Good luck!
I purchased the Package Disabler Pro app a few hours ago, I'll let you know how it goes on my end. Im on a Verizon Note 5
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There is actually a feature on the device that lets you slide a keyboard to the side for smaller hands. They were thinking of you and people who text and drive
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Hahaha damn got caught.
Just posting to see if any of our QUALCOMM variants are experiencing what the International versions are. Mine is working amazingly well no sign of an issue yet. Anyone else facing anything like what's going on with the exynos? I'm optimistic yet cautious about ours.
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Just posting to see if any of our QUALCOMM variants are experiencing what the International versions are. Mine is working amazingly well no sign of an issue yet. Anyone else facing anything like what's going on with the exynos? I'm optimistic yet cautious about ours.
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In regard to what? Spontaneously turning into a fire ball?
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Just posting to see if any of our QUALCOMM variants are experiencing what the International versions are. Mine is working amazingly well no sign of an issue yet. Anyone else facing anything like what's going on with the exynos? I'm optimistic yet cautious about ours.
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Yes your thread is vague and honestly simply go through the forum and see the threads of people complaining. Not sure why you would create a new thread for this or make it more specific. IJS
First off no need to be rude. Second I'm not sure why you care so much about a question I asked must be keeping you up at night so I apologize for that...... I was talking about the using the phone for a few days and it becoming a brick like several international versions are experiencing. But thanks for showing me how rude everyone can be at 8:50am...
Probably quiet few people on t-mo forum don't frequent international forum, myself included, so may not be aware of specific issues there, so lets all come down and have intelligent conversation, since IMO OP question is legit as long as it is properly explained. Sooo, as far as I know there were few complains about lagging, poor battery life and couple QC issues , which BTW none of them I experienced. Personally I have not seen any brick post on this forum, which is strange since we already have root and there is plenty of people who can't follow simple directions, sometimes myself included. Anyway I wouldn't worry too much, phone is on warranty and there will always be some quality control issues. Are you sure those are not user related, like trying to root without a clue, or taking underwater photography on your scuba dive? People don't always tell whole story. If you don't have N7 yet, wait until dust clears, if you do, just enjoy it, life's too short.
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First off no need to be rude. Second I'm not sure why you care so much about a question I asked must be keeping you up at night so I apologize for that...... I was talking about the using the phone for a few days and it becoming a brick like several international versions are experiencing. But thanks for showing me how rude everyone can be at 8:50am...
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It's not a matter of rude, mate. There's multiple things that your cryptic "same prob as intl versions" could be...a little more clarity is all that was needed...
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But to answer, that's a Exynos issue thus far, and nitric had been reported for Qualcomm models
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Exactly, no rudeness seen in this thread its just if you're going to ask a question at least have it make sense. With further explanation from other parties it seems we now may have a better understanding of what OP originally meant to say. :good:
It appears that the problem starts after the first OTA update samsung released from what I have read. I hope if Tmobile releases it, it will be a later build if infact the software is too blame. I'm usually first to update but I may play it safe and wait a day or so when it's released to us. And in regards to the user error in regards to the problem. The phone apparently will start to freeze and reboot and then get stuck in reboot cycles and when you attempt a factory reset in the OS or recovery the phone becomes unusable. Samsung isn't sure of its hardware or software yet. That's why I'm optimistic but cautious about ours.
Good to know, if that's the case we could postpone updates and see if any problems are reported. It wouldn't be first time updates create more problems than fixes. Few yrs ago I updated my Asus computer BIOS, despite reading other people having problem (I assumed user errors). It took me 1 week and $20 hardware just to boot up, never mind countless hours of Google search, the BIOS was completely hosed on certain hardware, which I happened to have. Never bricked the phone with updates yet, but more often than not, stuff stops working the way it should, so waiting few days may be best option. Love the phone, would hate to loose it even for few days.
Well samsung had stopped shipping the note 7 due to them needing more "quality control testing" havent said why yet or what markets they are delayed in.
The article I read said Samsung stops shipping in Korea, no official reason given, except better QC, so everything else could be speculation which for now seems to point to battery as culprit. My phone gets pretty hot, when on fast charge, so I disabled it for now. But I'm thinking if the connection is not perfect, it could cause problems. I think the phone is charging at something over 10 Watts, my soldering iron is 30W.
i've been very happy with my note 7 so far. i luckily havent come across any of the issues some other ppl in this forum have. i did read about the international note 7 bricking randomly and not being able to factory restore it. but there havent been any reports of the qualcomm version doing that. so the exynos is faster and less lag but there's a chance of a random brick and the qualcomm doesnt brick but many complaints about ui lag. seems samsung hasnt been able to get either right so far. it's definitely a QC issue because it's random units these things are happening to. every manufacturing process has some QC issues come up but they want to keep that below a certain percentage. this seems to be above that percentage.
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i've been very happy with my note 7 so far. i luckily havent come across any of the issues some other ppl in this forum have. i did read about the international note 7 bricking randomly and not being able to factory restore it. but there havent been any reports of the qualcomm version doing that. so the exynos is faster and less lag but there's a chance of a random brick and the qualcomm doesnt brick but many complaints about ui lag. seems samsung hasnt been able to get either right so far. it's definitely a QC issue because it's random units these things are happening to. every manufacturing process has some QC issues come up but they want to keep that below a certain percentage. this seems to be above that percentage.
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Well i have 7 days to exchange in store before I need one shipped so I'm hopeful it will last haha. On the topic of lag I don't notice alot in fact I think it does alot of things faster then my s7 edge for example when I start up I can enter my pin right away my s7 edge didn't even register a keypress for quite a few seconds after it popped up. This I can get into the phone in no time.
I'm experiencing the below with my TMO | Onyx black | Made in China (apparently there are 3 countries making them, china, korea, vietnam)
Running hot for no reason
Poor battery life
UI lag
Poor touch screen sensitivity - 1 in 5 key presses when typing is lost and other various touch recognition drop outs
If it's running hot, very possible some software crashed and its looping. First thing I would do is restart, then check battery screen to see what using it the most, maybe download something like 3C toolbox for better picture. Just make sure you're not in some particular spot where reception is spotty and it constantly goes in and out of network or keep switching towers.
Well though it doesn't sound like ours will be part of it I just read that Samsung will be recalling the note 7 in several markets due to a faulty battery used during manufacturing. Though more information will be provided in the next few days from Samsung. http://www.sammobile.com/2016/09/01/galaxy-note-7-recall-will-reportedly-be-announced-soon/
If the battery was the issue, it would be so much simpler on the older, non sealed models like S5, which was water proof and had easy battery access. All would they had to do is mail new batt. to customers. Maybe some good comes out of this, like easy to open back in the future.
The only issue i have had is with users stating there are issues. Out of all the Samsung phones i have had 10 plus this is by far the best.
Now appears that the recall will be global. And samsung is in talks with the carriers on how to go about returning and exchanging phones already sold. Never had to deal with a phone recall before.
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I'm experiencing the below with my TMO | Onyx black | Made in China (apparently there are 3 countries making them, china, korea, vietnam)
Running hot for no reason
Poor battery life
UI lag
Poor touch screen sensitivity - 1 in 5 key presses when typing is lost and other various touch recognition drop outs
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I have had all of those issues on top of no signal for long periods and I just got the phone yesterday. I have had every Note except the 4 with none of these issues. Pretty disappointed.
Hello everyone!
Background (less important): So, I've been looking at getting a Oneplus phone for a while but when my last 2 phones died back to back, I got an S6 from insurance. Problem with the S6 being just about everything (no SD card expansion, no removable battery, no rooting abilities, etc). I've been keeping an eye out for the right time to get a new device and, now that my device memory is full, I'm looking at a new phone.
I was looking at picking up either the S7 or the Oneplus 3T. The S7 is under $500 on amazon, which is pretty surprising (thought it would be much more expensive), has expandable SD card support, pretty good battery, good camera, lots of RAM, etc and they just got the ability to root. It also has some cool options like medical sensor stuff, etc (not all that important, just extra bells and whistles).
However, the 3T appears to have a very active rooting/mods community, and overall, many people have said this is the best phone they've ever had so I'm leaning towards picking that up. The only downsides I've seen/heard are the camera on the 3T isn't as good (definitely not the end of the world, it's still an upgrade from my S6) and I've seen a number of battery drain threads and that genuinely concerns me. I understand that those with the issue are likely going to be a lot more vocal than those that have everything working but I was hoping to gauge how much of a concern this really is and if anyone has determined the cause of the battery drain and if there's a solution. What I don't want to do is get a developer friendly phone that dies super quick (I understand it charges fast too but I don;t want to rely on that).
Anyway, this is kind of an important decision for me as my goal is to keep a phone for 3 years so I'm looking for a phone that is pretty well future proof (for a while, I know 3 years is a long time in the technology field) and I don't want to "settle" for a phone that's going to give me nothing but headaches.
If you guys could help me understand how big of a deal the battery drain is, it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
Okay here's the deal. You're posting in the Oneplus 3T forum and people are clearly going to be biased, you're lucky I'm coming from a Galaxy Note 7 and my girlfriend has an S7 Edge.
The experience you're going to get with a Samsung is far richer in features and the camera is superior. The phone just yells premium out of it's every part. The microphone will record your voice better as well.
However, if you're looking for a future proof phone the Oneplus 3T is clearly a winner. People are crying about drain and SoT simply because they're more pretentious and pay more attention to details than Samsung users. All Android phones have some sort of drain and with time, stock ROMs get more laggy and battery consuming. The advantage you have on oneplus is that you can apply all sorts of custom ROMs, kernels and mods to squeeze out the most of your battery, while on Samsung you're more prone of getting stuck with drain sooner or later.
Here's where OP3T's top card comes, dash charge is amazing. At this point I don't even care about SoT since I can charge my phone to 60% in 30m. I'm getting 4-5 hours of SoT without tweaks and 4G always on data using stock ROM. Who even wants to stick their eyes in the phone screen for more than that?
You can't go wrong with the OP3T unless you're willing to wait for the next oneplus.
Bottom line, the drain people have been experiencing on OxygenOS 4.0.3 is of little concern, especially since it's improves with Beta 12 7.1.1. Stop overthinking and get the phone you like.
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Okay here's the deal. You're posting in the Oneplus 3T forum and people are clearly going to be biased, you're lucky I'm coming from a Galaxy Note 7 and my girlfriend has an S7 Edge.
The experience you're going to get with a Samsung is far richer in features and the camera is superior. The phone just yells premium out of it's every part. The microphone will record your voice better as well.
However, if you're looking for a future proof phone the Oneplus 3T is clearly a winner. People are crying about drain and SoT simply because they're more pretentious and pay more attention to details than Samsung users. All Android phones have some sort of drain and with time, stock ROMs get more laggy and battery consuming. The advantage you have on oneplus is that you can apply all sorts of custom ROMs, kernels and mods to squeeze out the most of your battery, while on Samsung you're more prone of getting stuck with drain sooner or later.
Here's where OP3T's top card comes, dash charge is amazing. At this point I don't even care about SoT since I can charge my phone to 60% in 30m. I'm getting 4-5 hours of SoT without tweaks and 4G always on data using stock ROM. Who even wants to stick their eyes in the phone screen for more than that?
You can't go wrong with the OP3T unless you're willing to wait for the next oneplus.
Bottom line, the drain people have been experiencing on OxygenOS 4.0.3 is of little concern, especially since it's improves with Beta 12 7.1.1. Stop overthinking and get the phone you like.
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So just to be clear, you're saying that the battery drain people are experiencing is likely related to a version/rom/etc that they are using and they're too lazy to try different things to try and optimize it but even if I am that lazy, the dash charge still works well enough that it shouldn't be an issue for most people (assuming you're near a charging socket), is that a pretty good synopsis?
Just want to understand if you believe the issue is user error (not using the right software components/settings), user pickiness (IE they're perceiving a problem that's not really there) or if there are the occasional phone that experiences battery issues but it's a very small number.
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So just to be clear, you're saying that the battery drain people are experiencing is likely related to a version/rom/etc that they are using and they're too lazy to try different things to try and optimize it but even if I am that lazy, the dash charge still works well enough that it shouldn't be an issue for most people (assuming you're near a charging socket), is that a pretty good synopsis?
Just want to understand if you believe the issue is user error (not using the right software components/settings), user pickiness (IE they're perceiving a problem that's not really there) or if there are the occasional phone that experiences battery issues but it's a very small number.
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I think that that's what he wants to tell you. To myself : I have the 3T since yesterday and since I'm coming from a M8 it's a huge upgrade for me. But for your comparison : my brother has the S7 and plenty of my friends have the S7E. S7E is in my opinion a superior phone in terms of camera, mic, display, waterproof .. etc. All the things that make the S7/E more superior is only because Sammy has done a better job, BUT what they didn't was to make the phone future proof. The thing with OP3T is that it also does/contains all of the superior things, it's just not that good. The camera is fine for me, I don't care about waterproofness, a 2K display is nice but you won't notice the difference anyway except for the brightness if you compare them both side by side. I'm pretty sure I've made my point.
Now for the 3T's battery drain : I was still on OxygenOS 3.5.4 because I didn't felt the urge to update. Woke up at 7 AM and plugged it out, somewhere between 10 - 11 AM I was on something like 27 percent. It was somehow strange but ok. Now that I couldn't resist to flash CM13 I've noticed a HUGE difference. I flashed CM13 at around 5 PM while I was charging it (was at 90% at 5PM) and now after 4h of using it I'm at 68%. Huge differnce no doubt and I'm staying at CM13.
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I think that that's what he wants to tell you. To myself : I have the 3T since yesterday and since I'm coming from a M8 it's a huge upgrade for me. But for your comparison : my brother has the S7 and plenty of my friends have the S7E. S7E is in my opinion a superior phone in terms of camera, mic, display, waterproof .. etc. All the things that make the S7/E more superior is only because Sammy has done a better job, BUT what they didn't was to make the phone future proof. The thing with OP3T is that it also does/contains all of the superior things, it's just not that good. The camera is fine for me, I don't care about waterproofness, a 2K display is nice but you won't notice the difference anyway except for the brightness if you compare them both side by side. I'm pretty sure I've made my point.
Now for the 3T's battery drain : I was still on OxygenOS 3.5.4 because I didn't felt the urge to update. Woke up at 7 AM and plugged it out, somewhere between 10 - 11 AM I was on something like 27 percent. It was somehow strange but ok. Now that I couldn't resist to flash CM13 I've noticed a HUGE difference. I flashed CM13 at around 5 PM while I was charging it (was at 90% at 5PM) and now after 4h of using it I'm at 68%. Huge differnce no doubt and I'm staying at CM13.
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Thanks for the advice, particularly about the future proofing. I honestly don't get why Samsung hasn't moved to a USB C connector yet . . . Seems like a no brainer, that's clearly the direction everything is heading.
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So just to be clear, you're saying that the battery drain people are experiencing is likely related to a version/rom/etc that they are using and they're too lazy to try different things to try and optimize it but even if I am that lazy, the dash charge still works well enough that it shouldn't be an issue for most people (assuming you're near a charging socket), is that a pretty good synopsis?
Just want to understand if you believe the issue is user error (not using the right software components/settings), user pickiness (IE they're perceiving a problem that's not really there) or if there are the occasional phone that experiences battery issues but it's a very small number.
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Yeah, that's my opinion based on experience as a former Oneplus One, Samsung Galaxy Note 7 and current Oneplus 3T user. People mostly started complaining about drain with OOS4.0.3 (latest current stock) and it will definitely be fixed with OOS nougat 7.1.1. This "battery drain" stigma that you're currently placing on the OP3T has been placed on all major flagships at some point. I can't be certain how well this device will be officially updated in the future, or how the battery will hold up after many many cycles, but i can assure you it will hold up better than an S7.
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Thanks for the advice, particularly about the future proofing. I honestly don't get why Samsung hasn't moved to a USB C connector yet . . . Seems like a no brainer, that's clearly the direction everything is heading.
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They did have USB-C on the Note 7. At the point of S7 launch it wasn't that widespread.
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Yeah, that's my opinion based on experience as a former Oneplus One, Samsung Galaxy Note 7 and current Oneplus 3T user. People mostly started complaining about drain with OOS4.0.3 (latest current stock) and it will definitely be fixed with OOS nougat 7.1.1. This "battery drain" stigma that you're currently placing on the OP3T has been placed on all major flagships at some point. I can't be certain how well this device will be officially updated in the future, or how the battery will hold up after many many cycles, but i can assure you it will hold up better than an S7.
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I'm actually really glad you mentioned that because, you're right, I have definitely experienced various stages of battery drain between updates on Samsung devices except I didn't get to choose when or if I wanted to update with those. At least I'll now be in control of those things! Made up my mind, ordering the Oneplus 3T now! Thanks!
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I'm actually really glad you mentioned that because, you're right, I have definitely experienced various stages of battery drain between updates on Samsung devices except I didn't get to choose when or if I wanted to update with those. At least I'll now be in control of those things! Made up my mind, ordering the Oneplus 3T now! Thanks!
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I am certain you won't regret getting this device. Let me know if you need any help or have any more questions via PM.
6-7 hour of sot per charge every 22-28 hours.
technology is weird. people can get battery drains for all kinds of reasons. google services may be a reason. or some wakelock by some random app that never was a problem, but after installing it on a certain rom on a certain phone it suddenly is a problem. and weirdly enough you are the only one experiencing it. it might be something with the rom where a factory reset may help. some people go ahead and flash another rom and then it is gone. sometimes they make the wrong conclusion that it is the roms fault. or the kernels or whatever. it happens on every phone. just go to a random phones forum and you will find threads with people complaining about battery drain. and they will be the only ones with this particular issue. the vast majority of users does not have such issues. if they do you will find out about it soon enough and after some time there will be an update that fixes it.
my sot is around 5 hours depending on what i do. using media like movies gives you more screen time, heavy gaming gives you less screen time.
Very interesting read!
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12520/the-galaxy-s9-review
If Samsung doesn't fix this I'll sell my S9
Really wanted to buy one but I'm not going to as long as this issue is not fixed.
Fix what? It looks like any performance "fix" will be accompanied by loss of battery life anyway. There is a slim possibility that scheduler/governor could be improved somewhat, but that will not change the underlying hardware characteristics that much, meaning the gain from such a fix will not be significant and you will still pay a hefty battery cost..
Like i said in the comments there, i believe most of the deductions from that test will not impact your day to day life. Information is great, but one must know when you need a "summary" and when a "thesis"
I am still buying this beauty next month and i am sure i would be satisfied.
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Fix what? It looks like any performance "fix" will be accompanied by loss of battery life anyway. There is a slim possibility that scheduler/governor could be improved somewhat, but that will not change the underlying hardware characteristics that much, meaning the gain from such a fix will not be significant and you will still pay a hefty battery cost..
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Whenever a load is transferred from LITTLE cores to the big cores, SD845's big cores start at the max frequency while E9810's big cores start at the lowest frequency (and then increase gradually if load continues to be active).
If the load is of a longer nature (beyond 450ms iirc) then E9810 wins the race; but for short and burst loads the SD845 wins the race due to starting at max frequency.
So no, scheduler fix will not improve just somewhat; it will improve the performance substantially.
Sure, that might come with a battery hit since it will be a choice between 'a longer running load at lower power' vs 'a shorter running load at high power'; we will know better about battery drains when we get results from having used such a scheduler.
The way that exynos takes that long to ramp up the cpu, its like the only way one ever gets to 'experience' it in full speeds is synthetic benchmarks.
I was pumped coming from Snapdragon devices and thought the general consensus was that Exynos chips were typically better than Snapdragon. I'm saving to buy the Exynos version, but then a few of the big Youtubers ran speedtests of SD845 and 9810 and it seemed like the 845 generally performed better.
And after reading the anadtech article and battery life being worse (which is huge to me because I want the regular S9 and not the plus) I guess Snapdragon all the way.
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I was pumped coming from Snapdragon devices and thought the general consensus was that Exynos chips were typically better than Snapdragon. I'm saving to buy the Exynos version, but then a few of the big Youtubers ran speedtests of SD845 and 9810 and it seemed like the 845 generally performed better.
And after reading the anadtech article and battery life being worse (which is huge to me because I want the regular S9 and not the plus) I guess Snapdragon all the way.
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I think general every day battery life depends on a lot more than just benchmarking. I have both the exynos and snapdragon S9 with me right now and the exynos gets better battery life after 1 day of use. I just got the phone yesterday but both starting with a 100% charge and using both pretty equal amounts and doing testing and web surfing etc... my exynos has about 10% more right now. Driving to work yesterday my SD845 phone drained 14% with the screen off and not even music playing. Honestly coming from a Pixel 2 XL they both kinda suck hard on battery life. The SD version was dying in half a day of light use for me. I got through the rest of the day yesterday with the exynos which is doable but ill have to keep chargers all around to make sure it stays charged on heavy use days.
Edit: On a side note if you decide to get the exynos and you use T-Mobile you may want to wait because I get horrible reception and slow internet speeds. I dont know why sicne it supports every band for LTE except 71 but the snapdragon version is significantly better and much faster on tmobile network. Maybe there are settings I can change. IDK.
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On a side note if you decide to get the exynos and you use T-Mobile you may want to wait because I get horrible reception and slow internet speeds. I dont know why sicne it supports every band for LTE except 71 but the snapdragon version is significantly better and much faster on tmobile network. Maybe there are settings I can change. IDK.
I would really like to have Band 71. I thought I saw a post from someone who was getting conflicting answers from Samsung if B71 was in the international unlocked version. However then he posted and said he received it and sure enough found B71 in it. But now it's looking like I'll just bite the bullet and get the T-Mo SD845 version. Would have be nice to have an unlocked bootloader.
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I would really like to have Band 71. I thought I saw a post from someone who was getting conflicting answers from Samsung if B71 was in the international unlocked version. However then he posted and said he received it and sure enough found B71 in it. But now it's looking like I'll just bite the bullet and get the T-Mo SD845 version. Would have be nice to have an unlocked bootloader.
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How can you find out if it has Band 71 on it? I can test side by side my US and international verison and the US version gets about 30-40mbps and right beside it is the international getting about 1.5-3mbps max. Soemthing is obviously wrong with the settings or the radio on the international to be doing that bad on tmobile. Its not bad location. Something is just missing either software, hardware or settings but I just odnt know. Id love to make this thing work.
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I think general every day battery life depends on a lot more than just benchmarking. I have both the exynos and snapdragon S9 with me right now and the exynos gets better battery life after 1 day of use. I just got the phone yesterday but both starting with a 100% charge and using both pretty equal amounts and doing testing and web surfing etc... my exynos has about 10% more right now. Driving to work yesterday my SD845 phone drained 14% with the screen off and not even music playing. Honestly coming from a Pixel 2 XL they both kinda suck hard on battery life. The SD version was dying in half a day of light use for me. I got through the rest of the day yesterday with the exynos which is doable but ill have to keep chargers all around to make sure it stays charged on heavy use days.
Edit: On a side note if you decide to get the exynos and you use T-Mobile you may want to wait because I get horrible reception and slow internet speeds. I dont know why sicne it supports every band for LTE except 71 but the snapdragon version is significantly better and much faster on tmobile network. Maybe there are settings I can change. IDK.
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On a side note if you decide to get the exynos and you use T-Mobile you may want to wait because I get horrible reception and slow internet speeds. I dont know why sicne it supports every band for LTE except 71 but the snapdragon version is significantly better and much faster on tmobile network. Maybe there are settings I can change. IDK.
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How can you find out if it has Band 71 on it? I can test side by side my US and international verison and the US version gets about 30-40mbps and right beside it is the international getting about 1.5-3mbps max. Soemthing is obviously wrong with the settings or the radio on the international to be doing that bad on tmobile. Its not bad location. Something is just missing either software, hardware or settings but I just odnt know. Id love to make this thing work.
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You'll have to look through the forum here. I have other things going on, but I remember someone created a thread and stated that it did. I have no further info.
Well, it's not like the phone is slow in any way so stop making a chicken of a feather.
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I can test side by side my US and international verison and the US version gets about 30-40mbps and right beside it is the international getting about 1.5-3mbps max.
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I've been holding out on an upgrade for the S9, but this is concerning (I use T-Mobile).
Snapdragon is a non-option for me as having proper backup (aka Titanium) is IMO a bare essential. Now after having seen reviews that the S9 Exynos' battery life is even worse than the S8's, I'm wondering if I should just get the S8 instead. Anyone have any thoughts - S8 Exynos or S9 Exynos? If that Anandtech article's results are at all representative of what to expect, does it not seem silly to pay more for a newer phone that's a *downgrade* in battery life? Or maybe I just need to wait a bit longer for the kinks to get worked out? I mean, if it can really only do 1.5mbps on T-Mobile...ummm....
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I've been holding out on an upgrade for the S9, but this is concerning (I use T-Mobile).
Snapdragon is a non-option for me as having proper backup (aka Titanium) is IMO a bare essential. Now after having seen reviews that the S9 Exynos' battery life is even worse than the S8's, I'm wondering if I should just get the S8 instead. Anyone have any thoughts - S8 Exynos or S9 Exynos? If that Anandtech article's results are at all representative of what to expect, does it not seem silly to pay more for a newer phone that's a *downgrade* in battery life? Or maybe I just need to wait a bit longer for the kinks to get worked out? I mean, if it can really only do 1.5mbps on T-Mobile...ummm....
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Ok well I did so many things to try and fix this and SOMETHING worked. Im now getting pretty much full speed although still not quite as good as teh US version for some reason although very very close. I went to Tmobile and got a new sim card in case this one was damaged or soemthing. i also played around with the APN settings and restarted several times. Something jolted the phone into working. SO when I test the two phones side by side now the US version might get 21mbps and the international 18mbps. Again the US will get 31mbps and the international 26mbps. US 13mbps and international 11mbps. The US version is always just slightly ahead. I drove around town and found some low reception spots where the US version was getting 2mbps and the international was crawling at .65 mbps. Out of probably 30 different test I did driving around I think only 1 time the international got better speeds and it was like 31mbps vs the US getting like 28. Id say its usable for sure but here is where it might matter most. I was in a bad reception part of town in a big mall type building and I rarely ever get service there. You have to stand next to a window to get any bars at all. The US version could barely get a connection but it did get something. The international didnt see anything until I completely left the building. Coming from a google pixel 2 XL that phone was about the same as what the US version of the galaxy s9 got. I walked all around the building and saw similar results. We dont even have band 71 in my city and that is the ONLY band that is missing from the international version that I have. Theoretically the international version SHOULD be performing the same however ive done plenty of test I can pretty much say in my case the international is slower.
Ironically the International version has been killing the US version in battery life. Im very happy about that. In standby mode the US version seems to drain very quickly for me while the exynos seems to just barely sip power. I can go an hour in standby and only use 1-2% while the US version can easily use 8% just sitting there and not doing anything. This morning I woke up and cleaned the house and both had 100% when I started. I didnt touch the phones at all. Both on wifi. About an hour later the exynos was at 98% and the US was at 93%. Both phones have the same apps and theoretically the same services running. The international actually SHOULD have more running in the background since my allo accound and texts/calls go to that phone and my wifes sim is in the other phone.
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Im now getting pretty much full speed although still not quite as good as teh US version for some reason although very very close.
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Well that's relieving to hear. 1 of my 3 concerns ticked off the list!
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I was in a bad reception part of town in a big mall type building and I rarely ever get service there. You have to stand next to a window to get any bars at all. The US version could barely get a connection but it did get something. The international didnt see anything until I completely left the building.
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Damn, that's definitely an issue, especially since I live in a very low-signal part of town (in the mountains). I wonder how Exynos S8 vs Exynos S9 does in this regard...or if anyone else has any similar experiences as you...
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Ironically the International version has been killing the US version in battery life.
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Super odd, considering that's the exact opposite of what all the reviews seem to be saying! I'd be curious if anyone else could replicate this result - or again, to see something similar with Exynos S8 vs Exynos S9...
One more question: have you been able to get T-Mobile Wifi calling on the Exynos S9? I'm guessing not, but here in my low-signal area that's pretty essential. I figure someone on here will eventually work it out, but I was just hoping it might somehow already be up & running
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Well that's relieving to hear. 1 of my 3 concerns ticked off the list!
Damn, that's definitely an issue, especially since I live in a very low-signal part of town (in the mountains). I wonder how Exynos S8 vs Exynos S9 does in this regard...or if anyone else has any similar experiences as you...
Super odd, considering that's the exact opposite of what all the reviews seem to be saying! I'd be curious if anyone else could replicate this result - or again, to see something similar with Exynos S8 vs Exynos S9...
One more question: have you been able to get T-Mobile Wifi calling on the Exynos S9? I'm guessing not, but here in my low-signal area that's pretty essential. I figure someone on here will eventually work it out, but I was just hoping it might somehow already be up & running
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I agree the battery life thing is very odd when you look at the word around town about the exynos. I think all that talk is sparked by the Adandtech review of the two phones and what you have to consider is those are synthetic benchmarks and they were also dealing with the snapdragon S9+ and the exynos S9 so completely different screen sizes and battery sizes. Now they used the cpu efficiency to come up with this idea that the exynos would theoretically perform worse than the snapdragon but thats all synthetics. I saw many online reviews of the battery life from the exynos and snapdragon versions and compared them and took a leap of faith that the exynos would be better. That was before the anandtech review came out. Thank god I was kinda right because battery life could not have been worse than my snapdragon s9 which just seemed to kill battery even when screen off and idle. Maybe its just my unit was bad but who knows. My review of battery life is strictly based on normal every day use and not synthetic benchmarks that nobody just does all day every day. Benchmarks are nice but they dont do crap for how you actually use the phone.
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I agree the battery life thing is very odd when you look at the word around town about the exynos. I think all that talk is sparked by the Adandtech review of the two phones and what you have to consider is those are synthetic benchmarks and they were also dealing with the snapdragon S9+ and the exynos S9 so completely different screen sizes and battery sizes. Now they used the cpu efficiency to come up with this idea that the exynos would theoretically perform worse than the snapdragon but thats all synthetics.
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For me that particular comparison is irrelevant, because a Snapdragon is non-unlockable -> non-backupable -> non-option. I was concerned about the results showing Exynos S9 is even inferior to Exynos S8.
And I agree that every-day use is what matters, not synthetics. However, I would also assume that synthetics would have *some* correlation to real-world; obviously they aren't a perfect representation of it, or they may exaggerate the difference, etc. But it's pretty surprising to find the exact opposite result. Makes me wonder if the S8 vs S9 result could be backwards too...
Give me an exynos over a snapdragon anyday.
Im more than happy with a small loss of performance over not being able to unlock my bootloader and customize to my hearts content.
My s9 plus is a very good upgrade on my s8 (now with the wife)
Im not even going to read this article as its a moot point tbh. Real world performance wise, this phone blows anything else i have used out of the water.
Yes with both battery and performance abd despite it being an exynos lol.
Performance is excellent with my galaxy s9 it's just battery I wish was better.
Do I want this update or should I keep it blocked and permanently block future updates? In my past experiences they make my phones slower and eventually unusable. Thanks
I haven't updated in about 6 months, battery life is still amazing. I really can't see these updates helping anything.. I don't need a new version of android and I'm pretty happy with the camera. Would be interesting to see how much it affects performance and battery "new update"
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I update regularly, on the whole i find it is for better.
I'm on threw newest firmware and I have no issues since I've been updating past the first Pie release.
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I'm on threw newest firmware and I have no issues since I've been updating past the first Pie release.
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I mainly upgrade because I can get the latest security patches. Besides I also have a pixel 3A that gets better update frequency than my note 9. plus I like having an unlockable bootloader to reverse updates if they get screwed up.
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I haven't updated, since the December 1, 2018 security patch for Oreo 8.1.
Battery is outstanding, especially over my S9 with Pie.
I think phones work best on their original operating system.
Security patches? Meh. They probably cover old threats anyways.
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I haven't updated, since the December 1, 2018 security patch for Oreo 8.1.
Battery is outstanding, especially over my S9 with Pie.
I think phones work best on their original operating system.
Security patches? Meh. They probably cover old threats anyways.
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Fam, there's been 5 major threats found this year alone. And they were exploited on a small scale this year.
There's no such thing as original operating system by the way. Not even slightly when it comes to Android. If you want a "original" Feeling, probably Pixel devices would be the best bet. It better yet, if it must be Note 9, strip all none essential items from a rom with hopes that there's no hyperlinking.
This part is not to ragg on older software, but when updates are made in good faith, it is to improve on previous versions of said software.??
Most of the time... Placebo ??
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Fam, there's been 5 major threats found this year alone. And they were exploited on a small scale this year.
There's no such thing as original operating system by the way. Not even slightly when it comes to Android. If you want a "original" Feeling, probably Pixel devices would be the best bet. It better yet, if it must be Note 9, strip all none essential items from a rom with hopes that there's no hyperlinking.
This part is not to ragg on older software, but when updates are made in good faith, it is to improve on previous versions of said software.??
Most of the time ... Placebo ??
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By "original OS", I meant the version that originally came on the phone, when it was released / purchased.
Apologies, for not being more clear.
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By "original OS", I meant the version that originally came on the phone, when it was released / purchased.
Apologies, for not being more clear.
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I know what you meant, and it's a great thought to have as a consumer, but unfortunately it's just a placebo. To be fair, I'm pretty sure it has happened where the software a device shipped with was the best for it to be on for a long time. For me that was probably the Nexus 6P. But that phone was doomed from the get go.
I don't know. I'm glad you guys are happy with the software you're on, but I urge all of you to just update to get rid of those nasty vulnerabilities that your OS versions have. I don't think it's worth the trade off.
Performance isn't bad at all on Pie, but that's where phone use is relative for each person. Butchieboy get crazy SOT, I barely crack 4 hours on a lite day of use. Most likely due to my crappy coverage area and what I'm actually using my phone for throughout the day.
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I know what you meant...
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Oh OK, it didn't seem like it.
You were going off.
I appreciation your passion and warnings!
I think I understand the risks of what I'm doing.
I do have an S9 on Pie that I'm checking out and hope to get it on the Android 10 Beta to test drive. 10 seems to be more to my liking with a true dark mode.
If so, I may just let our Note 9s update to Android 10 Quindim
There has been a history of companies, namely apple, of slowing down devices as they age in an effort to 'save battery' or some junk. I think its to force you to upgrade your phone. The battery is the easiest way for them to age phones out to make sure we keep buying new ones. This can be pushed faster through software updates, beside the natural degradation of the battery over time.
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I know what you meant, and it's a great thought to have as a consumer, but unfortunately it's just a placebo. To be fair, I'm pretty sure it has happened where the software a device shipped with was the best for it to be on for a long time. For me that was probably the Nexus 6P. But that phone was doomed from the get go.
I don't know. I'm glad you guys are happy with the software you're on, but I urge all of you to just update to get rid of those nasty vulnerabilities that your OS versions have. I don't think it's worth the trade off.
Performance isn't bad at all on Pie, but that's where phone use is relative for each person. Butchieboy get crazy SOT, I barely crack 4 hours on a lite day of use. Most likely due to my crappy coverage area and what I'm actually using my phone for throughout the day.
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I'm geteing 7 to 8 hours of SOT on my Note 9 on Oreo. I'm used to using a phone with an outdated security patch. I bought an S5 back in 2016 which came with Mashmallow and who's last update was all the way back to January 2018. The security patch is still 8/1/17. IWas forced to ditch it when 2 attempts by Sasmung to cure the screen flickering didn't help. Heck I install APK's on it and no viruses.
If you are using any online banking apps then I would advise that you install any updates onto your device for safety. As they will plug up any security flaws in the OS.
In my opinion it is extremely important to keep your devices up to date with the latest security patches. Now days most of our digital lives are stored on our phones. You wouldn't leave your front door wide open. Don't do the same with your phone.
I always keep my phone up to date so that all the security issues can be fixed and sometimes I get updates for the camera too.