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When Xposed available for ART? Today has left the Android SDK 5.0
Available whenever you make it work. We are all waiting on you. Hurry please.
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Nice initiative Sheyla96. Do you have an ETA? I'm waiting too
It isn't an nice initiative at all. @rovo89 has said several times that it will come when it will come, he's doing this on his free time, jeez some people should just take a chill pill. ART hasn't been the official runtime for longer than 3 days and you're already starting, there isn't even a device running lollipop yet for god's sake! Sit down relax and wait for rovo to make his magic! @Sheyla96 @respider
I haven't seen any final version of ART yet, all just beta and preview versions. Even the version included in the latest emulator image (labeled "Android 5.0 / API 21") is at least a month old, or at least didn't include some of the commits of the master branch. Speaking of source code: It's still changing a lot. I wasn't able to build libart.so from source for the emulator as the included commit range is unclear (actually their Lollipop branch might be different from master, so knowning a date might not be enough). It's pretty hard to shoot such a fast-moving target. I hope that once a final version is out and the source code for is published (with a proper branch), changes will slow down a bit - and hopefully, vendors will use it pretty much unmodified.
I think I mentioned before that I had an early proof of concept for ART working in December. As I expected, many things had to be changed for the first L preview, and even then it didn't work. ART != ART. You may also have noticed that I haven't been here and didn't work on Xposd for the past three months for various reasons. I still don't have time and motivation to work on Xposed as I used to, but I'm slowly starting again (no promises though).
Last weekend, I started to try out a different approach, where I would make a few changes in the ART source code directly. This seems to be working much better and cleaner than trying to hack it from outside (especially because ART is much more complex and using many classes, templates etc. which are hard or impossible to work with). It also ensures control over the many variants it can be compiled with. The downside is that this would require replacing libart.so and libart-compiler.so on the system, and nobody knows whether vendors will build their ROMs with source code that is similar enough to AOSP to make this exchange possible. Then again, a library compiled against AOSP source probably wouldn't work with those ROMs either, as offsets etc. would be different.
Keep in mind that most of you are mainly interested in getting Xposed for Lollipop. ART is not the only new thing there, also SELinux is much stricter there, blocking many things required for Xposed. Not sure if there will be a different solution than disabling SELinux or exchanging the policy, both of which would probably require flashing a custom bootimage/kernel. But I'm not even thinking about this in detail yet, nor about different ways of installing Xposed (might be rather manually for the beginning). And I have no plans to use the Material Design anytime soon.
When I find the time and motivation, I will try to work on ART support. I will probably not be here and report about it though. When I think the time is right, I will publish my work-in-progress source code for others to help me (which requires a good understanding of advanced topics such as assembler/bytecode, so I'm afraid there won't be many people who can help). I consider everything I have done with ART so far as training - getting familiar with the source code, experimenting a lot, getting frustrated because it doesn't work most of the time. On Kitkat, ART is more or less a gimmick, most important it's optional. I might build an Xposed version that supports ART on Kitkat later if it can be maintained with little additional effort. If it's too different from the final ART, it will stay a proof of concept.
So in short: Wait until the final images and source code drop. Then wait again until it's ready. I can't give any estimation when that will be the case, it depends much on my personal situation. Chance are pretty low that it will be within a month after Lollipop release, and will get higher once I start thinking about flashing a Lollipop ROM myself (which would probably be CM12, and I think these guys won't give us a timeline either, for good reasons). I'm still not 100% sure Xposed for Lollipop will work, but I hope that in some way it will, even if it might not be as compatible with most ROMs and as easy to install as it is for Android 4.x.
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It isn't an nice initiative at all.
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I was just continuing @beren28 's joke assuming @Sheyla96 would implement it
sorry if looked like I was really asking for ETA
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I was just continuing @beren28 's joke assuming @Sheyla96 would implement it
sorry if looked like I was really asking for ETA
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FWIW, I thought yours and @beren28's posts were hilarious, and surprised that they could be misunderstood.
@rovo89: Thanks a lot for giving it to us straight and taking the time to explain. Xposed is a miracle that has allowed great customization, even on stock ROMs, and it will be hard to give up. Knowing where we stand at least let's us make informed decisions about whether to upgrade to Lollipop or not.
On the positive side, several of the Xposed modules I use, are for tweaks and features that are included in Lollipop, so there is that too.
Is there any possibility of asking Google for official help on this project. I'd imagine with the help of some Android engineers, things would become a lot simpler. That is of course if Google even agrees in the first place, I don't know their stance on projects like this.
IMO Xposed is the shining highlight of dev projects on Android, it opened up so much for so many without needing a whole new rom, and Rovo89 cannot be expected to shoulder the burden himself now that L makes things much harder. We have so many talented devs here, can we have a call to arms in the open source community to help out?
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Is there any possibility of asking Google for official help on this project. I'd imagine with the help of some Android engineers, things would become a lot simpler. That is of course if Google even agrees in the first place, I don't know their stance on projects like this.
IMO Xposed is the shining highlight of dev projects on Android, it opened up so much for so many without needing a whole new rom, and Rovo89 cannot be expected to shoulder the burden himself now that L makes things much harder. We have so many talented devs here, can we have a call to arms in the open source community to help out?
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I think any help from Google would at best be hard to get. But if it works I think it would make integration with 5.0 easier.
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So in short: Wait until the final images and source code drop. Then wait again until it's ready.
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First I just want to say thank you so much for all the work you've done! Xposed has turned my Moto G into an even more awesome device.
But to clarify: if we decide to upgrade to Lollipop, does that mean we need to only disable the activated Xposed modules in the meantime, or do we need to completely uninstall the Xposed framework?
But to clarify: if we decide to upgrade to Lollipop, does that mean we need to only disable the activated Xposed modules in the meantime, or do we need to completely uninstall the Xposed framework?
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With Xposed Installer on Neuxs 5, I never could use OTA updates, so when you flash the factory image, it overwrite the system partition, so Xposed is uninstalled. And when you'll try to reinstall it, it will display an error message.
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... So in short: Wait until the final images and source code drop. Then wait again until it's ready. I can't give any estimation when that will be the case, it depends much on my personal situation. Chance are pretty low that it will be within a month after Lollipop release, and will get higher once I start thinking about flashing a Lollipop ROM myself (which would probably be CM12, and I think these guys won't give us a timeline either, for good reasons). I'm still not 100% sure Xposed for Lollipop will work, but I hope that in some way it will, even if it might not be as compatible with most ROMs and as easy to install as it is for Android 4.x.
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Thanks for the update. Note that current ART has still not compiled for older armv6 architecture. It will have to in order to port Lollipop to such devices. Unless it will still be possible to use a Dalvik JVM in which case, good old Xposed will still be available.
Hello rovo89!
I just wanted to let you know that Xposed is genius and, unfortunately essential for me.
I'm one of the few unlucky people who are using Android with a MVNO, so I need to use XPosed with the National Roaming module to be able to use my Smartphone without the annoying roaming messages.
So with this post I want to say thank you for all the work you did yet!
Of course I'm hopeing that Sony will bring out 5.0 soon to my Z1 and I'm also hopeing that you will find a solution for all the upcoming problems with ART and I'm pretty sure you'll gona solve them!
Probably stay with 4.4.4 and xposed
I have my Nexus 4 set up just the way I want with xposed, gravity box and a couple other modules along with a slew of paid programs that open up lots more functionality that rooting affords . Battery life is as good as it will ever be and when the battery needs replacing, then I will replace it as I have no plans on getting a N6 any time soon. Even though I cheated by rooting with towel-root, I have grown accustomed to using the extra functionality that xposed and rooting has given me. Going to 5.0 will be a royal PITA to get the darn phone back to the way I want, if ever and I don't like the new material theme either - blech! I like xposed and am not truly convinced that lollipop will be better than what I have now.
However, I am an old timey linux user and I have learned long ago, to let others do the "bug-testing" and wait for the first update to the new OS before upgrading, so (5.1?). I remember the chorus of howls that went up when KK came out.
Now I do have a bone-stock unrooted Nexus 7 that will get upgraded to lollipop, so at least I have that to play with and if the new OS is that spectacular, then I will go the route of upgrading (maybe?).
@rovo89
Thanks so much for that clarification of the current status of things. I know what the deal is with Xposed development and would never have dreamed of querying (nagging) you for a status update, though I must admit I have been googling "ART xposed" quite frequently for the past months'ish, eager for any progress reports/updates. Sort of hoping that I would be able to hold off for ~"a couple of weeks" with upgrading to L and then do so with xposed running on ART. Knowing now that it'll be substantially(?) more than the aforementioned couple of weeks, I'll go ahead and take the leap once the final/public release of L drops (since I'm a latest-version-junkie, ho, hum), and I've got until then to adjust to the idea of not having my oh so beloved Xposed modules that have become an integral part of my Android experience. While I'll keep googling "ART xposed", I'll now (soon) be doing so not stuck on KitKat.
And I offer you my respect, admiration and gratitude for what you have created with Xposed (along with the module developers), for what it has done for my stock Nexus 5 and how it has changed my user experience. If Xposed for ART takes a month, a year, or never materializes, I applaud and salute you (and the module developers) for the work you have done so far. Thank you, most sincerely, thank you!
And should you change your policy on taking donations for Xposed, I've got some beer money with your name on it (unless you already have, in which case, what's your paypal?).. Regardless of what the future holds.
While this might probably be one of those posts that could fall under the category of "pressing the thanks button instead of writing a post that spams the thread when the thanks button would have been sufficient", I feel that this is a case of when the thanks button won't express my gratitude enough. And so I'll take my chances.
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But to clarify: if we decide to upgrade to Lollipop, does that mean we need to only disable the activated Xposed modules in the meantime, or do we need to completely uninstall the Xposed framework?
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Definitely uninstall the framework (and anything else you may have installed on /system) if you'll be running the Lollipop OTA.
Personally I'll be using the opportunity to do a clean install. This is a big update.
Sorry for the spam, @rovo89, but I just wanted to thank you personally in words - I literally cannot use a device without Xposed any more! Guys like you inspire me to hack a bit on my own too! Cheers!
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I still don't have time and motivation to work on Xposed as I used to, but I'm slowly starting again (no promises though).
When I find the time and motivation, I will try to work on ART support. I will probably not be here and report about it though.
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What if there were some sort of donations available for your work on updating Xposed?. I know xposed is free, but could you set up a donation by app in Google Play store or through PayPal which would be directly for the work of xposed for Android L/ART? I'm sure there would be a lot of people who would be willing to put in some support for the work that you do. Just a suggestion
Give us Xposed now! No excuses! Just kidding, take your time but as mentioned many times, some people (including myself) only need the art framework to completly switch to art, that's the only thing what's holding us back. I not understand the argument art is beta, I guess if you see it that way the whole android is beta because there are almost daily changes.
If you need any help, testers and such let us know, but it's hard without any concept, so I hope you can show us some source and concepts soon.
Thanks for your hard work. We all waiting for 'final' sources to get our hands on.
Well, whether or not we'll ever see Xposed from Lollypop on, I must say that I understand your demotivation, and as much as I'd love to see it going forwards, what I have to give you is nothing but a big and warm thank you for giving Andoid users even more power over their phones and creating the most flexible framework there is. Kudos.
Given the fact that Xposed does not work on art how will that affect your decision to upgrade to Android L?
Comments should include lots of beer for Rovo89.
Due to xprivacy needing xposed it's the only thing that makes me still use kitkat..
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Aren't "no" and "I will wait until Xposed works with ART" the same answer? If you won't upgrade without Xposed ("No"), that seems to imply you would upgrade if it works with ART.
I'm willing to wait, there are a few Xposed mods I really care about like Xposed call block, full use of Greenify, MinMinLock and RootCloak, and others I could probably learn to live without but still find convenient like Chrome New Tab, CrappaLinks, Play Store link in App info, PlayPermissionsExpoxed, Statusbar Scroll to Top, and Swype Tweaks.
I upgraded my Nexus 7 to Lollipop (on Purity ROM) without Xposed, but I don't use that daily like my phone, so on that I'm wiling to wait, and even stay on KitKat indefinitely.
I can stick with KK for many more years.... Until Xposed come for LP, I WIL NOT have LP... Simple...
Perhaps it's just me, but, I'm also still on win7, until...
You may stick with KK and Xposed for years, but devs probably no. They would slowly abandon their modules, if Xposed framework development stopped.
Nah I will wait. There isn't single feature in Lollipop that isn't in KitKat.
I've been holding out, but just last night I decided to try out CM12 through MultiRom and now I'm completely torn.
On one hand, I have my beloved Xposed modules which add awesome functionality as well as some fantastic visuals (Flat Style Keyboard is the most difficult to give up...) and on the other hand is the absolutely beautiful experience of using Lollipop. I hadn't used it first-hand until now, and I was honestly blown away, and still am after using the rom all day today. Everything is just so much smoother and feels like it is working the way it should. I feel that with material design, Android finally stands up to iOS in terms of visual appeal, fluidness, and consistency.
*sigh* I suppose I'll find myself switching off between the two roms for a while, unable to choose one.
Still on 4.4.4, cause xposed isn't compatible with lollipop yet :-/
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...upgrade to Android L? ...lots of beer for Rovo89.
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Rovo developes Xposed for other reason, not beer, not money. Let us hope he still has reason strong enough to open up ART so Xposed modules will work on Lollipop.
Point of clarification: "Android L" is an early version of Lollipop. Since then, we have seen Android 5.0, Android 5.0.1, and the latest is Android 5.0.2, which is the only Lollipop I have tried. After trying it for about 2 days, I went back because I felt need for my Xposed modules. But, after only a few hours off Lollipop, I went back to it! And then, began finding work arounds for missing features. ART is so smooth and responsive, and Lollipop has a great new recent apps switcher 'Rolodex' that is wonderfully fluid, useful, and fun. I love these and other things Lollipop brings. Found ways to deal with all desired features. Even Xprivacy issues have work arounds, thanks to App Ops in CM-12. None the less, while using and enjoying Lollipop, I am keeping up hope that Rovo brings Xposed to ART.
using CM12 without xposed
Please, that is exactly the reason why the dev have no motivation to spend energy in this project any more.
No question, exposed is a revolutionary mod for android geeks like us.
Don't put pressure on the dev!
Thanks for attention
Still on KitKat. Mainly because it allows me to continue maintaining and supporting my xposed modules.
Would be too uncomfortable to switch ROMs everytime I need to test stuff.
I decided to pull the plug on kitkat and upgrade my exynos S5. I'm definitely missing the xposed experience on my phone. Starting from the full use of greenify ( especially wake-up tracker and cutoff) to all the small tweaks and quirks we're doing to our UI, and the whole OS.
It made me not take for granted the huge amount of work put into the framework itself, and the work put in by the devs of all the modules that we use daily. Huge thanks to all the developers out there and I hope one day we will have a working version of the xposed framework for the new Android iteration.
I'm on my way to make a donation to the xposed framework Dev and I encourage others to do so too.
Plan on staying with KitKat unless I decide to switch to Cyanogen. Being on a Note 3 I kinda have mixed feelings missing some S-Pen functionality.
I had to make the jump, at least temporarily. . Definitely missing some things, but nothing I can't live without.
I've upgraded to Lollipop several times now, but have reverted to KitKat each time. Not specifically because of the XPosed incompatibility, although that affected my decision. Mostly because the ROM I'm using now on my i9300 has so much extra functionality. Secondarily, Lollipop simply isn't giving me the battery life I've been getting on the KitKat I'm using--and that's something I find very important in a ROM.
That being said, again today I've tried a newer version of what's billed as one of the better Lollipop ROMs for my set; we'll see if I stay with it.
I only have one XPosed module that I use, and it's visual, so...although I miss it, I can live without it.
Yep still on kitkit cm11, mostly because of xposed and XMG compatibility not present on cm12. stupid ART!
i would like to hit over to android 5, for the fact that call sound actually works with latest Google Play Services... but its a minor setback sticking with kitkat... not like i get called enough that it bothers me much, #foreveralone :crying:
still sucks that i cant use most gapps cause of this =/ (i restored factory version, which doesn't self update)
ah well will have to wait a few months to see the progress of xposed and xmg ART runtime compatibility
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I decided to pull the plug on kitkat and upgrade my exynos S5. I'm definitely missing the xposed experience on my phone. Starting from the full use of greenify ( especially wake-up tracker and cutoff) to all the small tweaks and quirks we're doing to our UI, and the whole OS.
It made me not take for granted the huge amount of work put into the framework itself, and the work put in by the devs of all the modules that we use daily. Huge thanks to all the developers out there and I hope one day we will have a working version of the xposed framework for the new Android iteration.
I'm on my way to make a donation to the xposed framework Dev and I encourage others to do so too.
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What about the hard work of developers who've been toiling away hard on the Lollipop ROMs bringing you various mods without xposed?
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What about the hard work of developers who've been toiling away hard on the Lollipop ROMs bringing you various mods without xposed?
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I'm modifying my own system files for lollipop. As an IT engineer I know my way around how Linux/Unix systems work, and have a bit of programming language background.
I was solely referring that we should support what we are using (as I used xposed and decided to support it into further development), but I'm not using any other "mods" from other developers.
Unlike the vast majority of Android users, I buy all my software.
But I believe that the users should support the work of their devs, or if you're developing something, I hope your users will support whatever it is you're working on (I've seen you have clearly taken offense)
No offense taken
Hello,
I installed the Z3 Compact concept software, which I quite like, but unfortunately ANT+ is not working in concept, but I need it.
I would prefer not to go back to stock as I like Android 6, and don't like the Sony bloatware. My requirements are in the following order:
1) Battery Life
2) rSAP (so probably need to root anyway?)
3) ANT+
4) clean, fast system.
Any ideas what to install? Do I need to go back to stock? Any other ideas?
thanks Daniel
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Hello,
I installed the Z3 Compact concept software, which I quite like, but unfortunately ANT+ is not working in concept, but I need it.
I would prefer not to go back to stock as I like Android 6, and don't like the Sony bloatware. My requirements are in the following order:
1) Battery Life
2) rSAP (so probably need to root anyway?)
3) ANT+
4) clean, fast system.
thanks Daniel
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Battery life and perceptions of system speed are subjective and depend on each user.
If the apps you want to use don't work in 6, then go back to 5.1, or have I missed something? There's plenty of 5.1 builds that are debloated, take your pick.
It usually takes 2 - 3 months after a firmware version release to get all the bugs out.
Putting yourself through the pain of being an early adopter is your choice, asking people to decide for you is a bit weird.
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If the apps you want to use don't work in 6, then go back to 5.1, or have I missed something? There's plenty of 5.1 builds that are debloated, take your pick.
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no, not really, going back to 5 is an option
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It usually takes 2 - 3 months after a firmware version release to get all the bugs out.
Putting yourself through the pain of being an early adopter is your choice, asking people to decide for you is a bit weird.
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I am not asking people to decide for me, but asking for options.
Is the 6 Beta available publicly? Is there a debloated version available?
Those might be other options that I have. Probably there is also a hack/way available to make ANT+ work? Or maybe it is rumored that ANT+ might be included in the next concept update?
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no, not really, going back to 5 is an option
I am not asking people to decide for me, but asking for options.
Is the 6 Beta available publicly? Is there a debloated version available?
Those might be other options that I have. Probably there is also a hack/way available to make ANT+ work? Or maybe it is rumored that ANT+ might be included in the next concept update?
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From what I understand the public beta of 6 is locked to IMEI numbers, so there's no build available yet. I did see there is a 6 kernel just arrived in development, but realistically you're months away from enough people wanting ANT + and rSAP to work in 6 concept to fix them.
Try and PM the devs that are working on 6 builds and see if they want to help, but by all accounts they do have their hands full just trying to get it to work properly.
Sony will push out an official firmware release, that will come with ANT+ as it's too important not to include it. But then you're still going to have to wait for someone to root that build, then debloat that build, then wait for someone to be interested in fixing rSAP for 6 official, it could be a while.
SLIM is a heavily debloated build, the best I've seen.
Hi all. Looking for a module that will give me some in-depth privacy customization. App-Ops doesn't give enough control and I can't install xPrivacy as I'm on Nougat.
Not sure if there is something similar to xPrivacy as a Magisk module.
Running Magisk 13, Android 7.0.
Any recommendations would be much appreciated.
I am also on the hunt.. Would a port be possible? I've seen other ports but systemless xprivacy may be a bit much to ask?
If it possible it will be one of the most important modules.
I think Xposed is died for newer Android OS than 6.0
If it's not otherwise possible without Xposed, it's not going to be possible with Magisk.
I see Xposed GitHub has an update last 8 months ago... Has anyone considered creating a bounty setup for a port to Nougat / O? This has worked quite well in the past for rooting difficult devices... Perhaps a community bounty for something bigger like xposed would receive a lot of donations and really get the ball moving!
Also I have heard that it is possible to install xposed on Nougat however the functionality is somewhat buggy / compromised... Any risky adventurous types want to test and report back?
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I see Xposed GitHub has an update last 8 months ago... Has anyone considered creating a bounty setup for a port to Nougat / O? This has worked quite well in the past for rooting difficult devices... Perhaps a community bounty for something bigger like xposed would receive a lot of donations and really get the ball moving!
Also I have heard that it is possible to install xposed on Nougat however the functionality is somewhat buggy / compromised... Any risky adventurous types want to test and report back?
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lol, no! Ive given up on xposed/rovo... its taken wayy tooo looooong.....
and im a samsung user so that means if xposed does come out now itll still be another 5 months before samsung devices are supported...
just kind of wish he would publicly voice he has abandon the project so someone else may step up.
According to the LineageOS developers, Xposed "opens devices up to security risks". Isn't Xposed just as safe as root, which they do support? In both cases, you have to grant apps permission to do anything dangerous (either grant root permission or enable the Xposed module). I see this trend from other ROM developers as well. Why do so many people have such hatred for Xposed but be okay with root, which can cause just as much damage?
You are correct that if an malicious app gains root or Xposed access, things are pretty much wrecked from a security perspective. Lineage OS probably doesn't officially support Xposed because many features that people commonly use Xposed for are already baked into the ROM. It is usually more stable for a feature to be enabled in a ROM then for it to be added with Xposed. That being said, Xposed works just fine with Lineage OS and others, from what I've seen, read, and experienced, so do what you want!
The "security hole" fear people likely have is due to the fact that Xposed basically hijacks method calls ("hooking") and can modify them to do whatever they want. This is why the battery life of Xposed-enabled phones is worse and performance takes a hit: method inlining and a few other optimizations can't be used without breaking Xposed. (This is also why Xposed recompiles the entire ROM after it is installed.)
Overall, I don't see Xposed as being any more dangerous than root; the only thing it might do is make it easier to write malware, but is someone really going to make an evil Xposed module targeting the very small minority of Xposed users?
As long as you are careful with what you install (from Google Play to root/Xposed/custom ROM), you should be fine security-wise.
Simple explanation: loved by users, hated by developers.
Because it creates more bugs & 'security hole' if you're not careful.
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Simple explanation: loved by users, hated by developers.
Because it creates more bugs & 'security hole' if you're not careful.
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But all of that applies equally to root and Xposed, yet Xposed is hated and root isn't.
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But all of that applies equally to root and Xposed, yet Xposed is hated and root isn't.
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Yeah, I know.
Because at least rooting not create more bugs right now. Lowering security? Yes it does. But does it even make bugs in ROM and makes users complain until developers pissed off? It's rare, very rare. Even it's doesn't exist if I can say.