Hi Guys,
i am coming from an iPhone X and am now using a Note9. The Phone is absolutely great and i dont want to look back. Everything works fine, everything is really fluid just like it should be. But there is one annoying thing, that bothers me to hell: Bluetooth-Streaming Quality while Playing Music.
I am using several devices via Bluetooth: Bose Soundsport Free, Bose QC35II, Harman Kardon Go+Play and i am listening to Music in my Golf 7 via Bluetooth. Listening to music via the Bose Devices works really good. In the Developer Option, you can see that the Note 9 is using the AAC Codec, which the Bose do support. The Note 9 changes to AAC automatically.
When i am using the Harman Speaker and listening in my car, the Note 9 will stay at SBC (Standard Bluetooth Codec). This isnt really a problem for me, because the iPhone did it too. But the quality is worse on the Note 9 compared to the iPhone. On the Note 9, you can hear cracking noise in the Highs and the sound is overall not very good - the iPhone does this better with SBC (or stays with AAC even when the conneced device does not support it).
I had the same problem last year with my Oneplus 5. But with the OP5, i simply changed the Bluetooth Codec to always be APTX. This totally worked for me, even if the Bluetooth Device didnt support APTX. But on the Note 9, it will always change back to SBC, when i connect my Harman Speaker or my car.
I think it is just a bug. I didnt find a workaround. This is just a simple thing but it bothers me to hell... My mother's S9 does the same. It just doesnt save the setting.
The reason why i am making a thread is simple: Samsung does have a Samsung Members / Plus / Care (it depends where you are) App, where you can send in bugs, that you found.
Even if this bug doenst bother you, it would be very nice, if you can send in a request for changing this behaviour. That would help me (and maybe others), so that the Bluetooth Listening Experience will be as good as the Rest of the phone.
Thanks for the help.
If anyone knows a workaround for my problem - please let me know. At this stage, i cannot use my Harman Speaker und my Car Audio via Bluetooth.
the note 9 is an android device. So nothing is stopping you from 'fixing' it yourself. as you might not have realized yet, this is not a 'samsung' issue. you yourself said the onePlus also had the same issue.... its an issue of Android 8.
Anyways:
root and install the magisk module. If you are on a snapdragon device then are probably screwed. But sooner or later root or some other work around might arise...
good luck
It is definitly a Android Thing. But the fix for that Problem should be easy and is build into Android itself.
The Problem is, that Samsung does not save the codec, that i choose manually. The Oneplus 5 for example does save my setting. And with that Setting, all my Bluetooth Quality Issues would be solved.
So my goal for this thread is simple. It is difficult to motivate Samsung to Change this behaviour, if only one person needs that fix.
So it would be nice, if more people could report this behaviour to Samsung.
It autoswitches to the highest bluetooth codec the connected device negotiates that it can use. Very few autos connect to anything other than SBC. I have a different vehicle and do not experience any audio issues with the highs or lows using SBC. Your previous device was lying to you if you thought it was pushing AAC to a device that only accepts SBC.
Maybe try a different audio player and check the source file itself. I prefer "USB Audio player" because it doesn't alter flac/mp3/etc files and compress them further. Also check your dolby atmos settings.
Of course the phone does lie, if it does connect with APTX, even if the Speaker does support only SBC. But with that type of lying, it does work perfectly.
I am playing music via Spotify and the highest setting there.
In my car, i do have the upgraded Dynaudio System build in, and there i can hear the distortion.
With my Oneplus 5, i solved the problem by manually switching from SBC to APTX (even if my car does not Support APTX, it worked absolutely perfect)
That is the whole point... SBC on Android is not as good as on the iPhone. My iPhone X had no issues with my Harman Speaker, but my Note 9 and the Oneplus 5 do.. On the Oneplus i solved this by changing the Codec to Aptx.
I have a cheap Speaker (70 Euro) for my bathroom. This speaker does also connect via SBC, but doesnt have any problems with my Note. But this Speaker isnt nearly as good as the Harman Speaker or my car audio.
Do me a favor... Connect your SBC Speaker and play Still Got the Blues from Gary Moore.. It is really bad (the quality not the song).. The Bandwith is simply not enough with SBC.. but for some reason my iPhone X didnt had any Problems.. i think it just always used AAC even if the connected device didnt support it..
SuckOr said:
Of course the phone does lie, if it does connect with APTX, even if the Speaker does support only SBC. But with that type of lying, it does work perfectly.
I am playing music via Spotify and the highest setting there.
In my car, i do have the upgraded Dynaudio System build in, and there i can hear the distortion.
With my Oneplus 5, i solved the problem by manually switching from SBC to APTX (even if my car does not Support APTX, it worked absolutely perfect)
That is the whole point... SBC on Android is not as good as on the iPhone. My iPhone X had no issues with my Harman Speaker, but my Note 9 and the Oneplus 5 do.. On the Oneplus i solved this by changing the Codec to Aptx.
I have a cheap Speaker (70 Euro) for my bathroom. This speaker does also connect via SBC, but doesnt have any problems with my Note. But this Speaker isnt nearly as good as the Harman Speaker or my car audio.
Do me a favor... Connect your SBC Speaker and play Still Got the Blues from Gary Moore.. It is really bad (the quality not the song).. The Bandwith is simply not enough with SBC.. but for some reason my iPhone X didnt had any Problems.. i think it just always used AAC even if the connected device didnt support it..
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play an audio file via a player ie:
power amp. and see if there is also an issue.
might just be the streaming app you are using. it might be just streaming bad/low quality and BT codec is adapting to it.( check streaming app audio settings..)
think of it like trying to convert an 96kbbs mp3 to 320 kbps.
garbage in, garbage out. Except in this case android is simply not upmixing and using high quality codec because there is no need to because source is low.
in power amp audio options, there are advanced audio settings which can allow you to force certain audio qualities. So test a high quality audio file in that player and see if audio is good.
if it is then you know the streaming quality is simply not high enough... which is not suprising as it IS a stream... reason why i also never stream and taking advantage if the 512 gb version if the note 9. to me it is folly to expect high quality from streams.
The music i am playing is from spotify.. Locally saved onto the phone with the maxed out setting - this is 320Kbits. As is said, the Oneplus had no Problem with the same setting after i changed the Codec manually.
But just for the record, i just bought the Song "Still Got the Blues" in the FLAC-Format. I played it via Power AMP on my Harman Speaker - the result is absolutely the same as with Spotify. So the Music is not the Problem.
SuckOr said:
The music i am playing is from spotify.. Locally saved onto the phone with the maxed out setting - this is 320Kbits. As is said, the Oneplus had no Problem with the same setting after i changed the Codec manually.
But just for the record, i just bought the Song "Still Got the Blues" in the FLAC-Format. I played it via Power AMP on my Harman Speaker - the result is absolutely the same as with Spotify. So the Music is not the Problem.
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did you go to power amp settings and adjust/enable? ...on second picture, go there and press the setting sprocket...multiple settings to adjust.
also if you go to android dev options and set higher quality BT settings and codecs, do they stick when playing audio?
No, if i want to change the Setting while playing, nothing happens. The Note does not allow it while using a Bluetooth Device.
If tried it with ( Power Amp ). Nothing changed. Still bad Quality.
Hi All,
I also want to join in on this discussion, just that I want to use LDAC as I use Sony WI1000X bluetooth headset. I have the same issue of it not sticking to LDAC and reverting back to AptX. So far here is my experience:
- If the headset is not connected, changing to LDAC, exiting from and then retuning to Developers menu would result the codec changing back to AptX
- If the headset is connected then change the codec to LDAC, the codec sticks. But once it is disconnected, it will revert back to AptX
- While the headset is connected, I can switch between codecs in the Dev menu while listening to music and can notice the difference in audio quality
Yeah, would be great if codec of choice can stick or at least switch automatically either by detection or preset. LDAC is awesome and I'm so happy that I can enjoy the codec without using Sony phones (not that they are bad, I just prefer my Note 9).
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Ok funny enough, as I post my message, I got curious about something. I went to bluetooth menu, click the gear icon on my paired Sony WI1000X, and there it is.... a slider to toggle the LDAC codec on/off.
It is greyed out, so I exit the menu, switched on my bluetooth, came back in that menu, switch LDAC on, checked Dev menu, it is also set to LDAC. Good.
Then I switched off my bluetooth, at this point the LDAC option in Dev menu should have reverted back to AptX.... but it stays in LDAC mode! This is great!
I guess my small inconvenience is now solved, maybe you can try the same for your AptX device.
Can anyone confirm whether AptX Adaptive is included or not (eg. from actually listening, it's still not listed in the Developer Options)? They have removed "Samsung HD" as a codec as well.
I have since my Galaxy S5 the Same Problem.
Galaxy S4
Galaxy S6
Galaxy S7
Galaxy Note 8
The Bluetooth quality is really a mess.
I do not have the Problem with my one plus 4. And also with any kind of iPhones
You can change this in basic Bluetooth settings
If your Bluetooth audio device supports codecs you should find the setting in your Bluetooth connection settings where you find the media audio and call audio settings under them there is the basic codec...
Found this on Reddit . Worked on my Sony wi 1000x
Solved it for note9
I had this problem with the amazing WF-1000XM3 and just couldn't get them to change to AAC.
So the solution was turning off the dual audio option in Bluetooth. I even tested this, and as soon as I turned on dual audio the codec switched back to sbc.
Settings>connections>Bluetooth>advanced>dual audio
And if it doesn't automatically switch over then, force it once through the developer options and it should stay like that thereafter.
I'm tossing my hat into the ring here, because this is maddening. I don't understand how we can all have 2-3 different user experiences on the same device.
OK, so, presumably, we're all on Andoid 9. Since the start of this thread, I imagine updates have played at least a minor role in user experience and menu options.
Here's where I'm at: I've never been able to successfully change AND have the settings found within Developer Options actually "stick". I can access "Bluetooth Audio Codec", and from there I can see SBC/AAC/aptX/LDAC/Scalable/All/Default as options. It does not matter which one I tap on, the result is the same: I can visibly confirm the change was made when selecting the codec I want and the screen goes back to the main Dev Options menu. If I hit the back button, and go right back into Dev Options, it has auto-reverted back to SBC. This is, of course, with no active BT devices connected for audio.
I recently traded in a car which did not support Android Auto, and therefore my only option was BT for audio streaming. When using this, the quality was fine, even subjectively good. However, now I've got a car whose stereo supports Android Auto, but only via USB (not BT). I can confirm that, via the display on the head unit of the infotainment system, it is using (or attempting to use) A2DP for streaming, which would indicate my phone should be using aptX or similar. Even so, the audio quality is absolute ****. If I connect my USB cable, and resume audio via Android Auto, the quality vastly improves. There is no reason why my phone or the BT connection would or should be operating under SBC or any kind of inferior BT codec when streaming. Mind you, all of this is done using the same player: PowerAmp Pro.
TL;DR - Has anyone found a way to forcibly allow all codecs, so that the highest quality codec is used on a per-device basis?
Just the same problem
Yes i have exactlly the same problem
Please Samsung...FIX THIS!!
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I have tried what KASHY27 said in his post and works perfectly!
Turn off dual audio in bluetooth settings and then click aptx in developers options
Thanks KASHY27!!
SuckOr said:
Hi Guys,
i am coming from an iPhone X and am now using a Note9. The Phone is absolutely great and i dont want to look back. Everything works fine, everything is really fluid just like it should be. But there is one annoying thing, that bothers me to hell: Bluetooth-Streaming Quality while Playing Music.
I am using several devices via Bluetooth: Bose Soundsport Free, Bose QC35II, Harman Kardon Go+Play and i am listening to Music in my Golf 7 via Bluetooth. Listening to music via the Bose Devices works really good. In the Developer Option, you can see that the Note 9 is using the AAC Codec, which the Bose do support. The Note 9 changes to AAC automatically.
When i am using the Harman Speaker and listening in my car, the Note 9 will stay at SBC (Standard Bluetooth Codec). This isnt really a problem for me, because the iPhone did it too. But the quality is worse on the Note 9 compared to the iPhone. On the Note 9, you can hear cracking noise in the Highs and the sound is overall not very good - the iPhone does this better with SBC (or stays with AAC even when the conneced device does not support it).
I had the same problem last year with my Oneplus 5. But with the OP5, i simply changed the Bluetooth Codec to always be APTX. This totally worked for me, even if the Bluetooth Device didnt support APTX. But on the Note 9, it will always change back to SBC, when i connect my Harman Speaker or my car.
I think it is just a bug. I didnt find a workaround. This is just a simple thing but it bothers me to hell... My mother's S9 does the same. It just doesnt save the setting.
The reason why i am making a thread is simple: Samsung does have a Samsung Members / Plus / Care (it depends where you are) App, where you can send in bugs, that you found.
Even if this bug doenst bother you, it would be very nice, if you can send in a request for changing this behaviour. That would help me (and maybe others), so that the Bluetooth Listening Experience will be as good as the Rest of the phone.
Thanks for the help.
If anyone knows a workaround for my problem - please let me know. At this stage, i cannot use my Harman Speaker und my Car Audio via Bluetooth.
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im using sony xm4 and samsung note 9. note9 keeps going back to bt aac codec. i was able to make it stay to ldac by setting [connecting 2 devices = off] in sony headphone app under system. it was noted in the app that ldac can not be used when this setting is enabled.
2022 and this is still not fixed. A shame android.
Hello fellas,
I am creating this new thread as I have searched for relevant topic in this Red Magic 3 Forum and found none.
So let's discuss the issue that I had and I am certain most of you guys red magic 3 owner or Android owners face too.
I have purchased a bluetooth earpiece called pamu slide T6 from indiegogo (this is the URL https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pamu-slide-born-for-music-never-fall-out#/) and this earpice supports aptX codec which is the latest codec from Bluetooth that can provide a latency as low as 30ms compare to SBC/AAC that about 300ms.
The reason I purchased red magic 3 is solely for gaming purpose, mainly PUBG Mobile and I purchased this bluetooth earpiece just want to try and pair it while playing but when tested, the results are very worst, delay audio, out of sync with the action, jump, crawl, shoot, steps everything in the game audio was delayed so much almost 1 second.
On red magic 3 bluetooth device, I click on its settings and there shown that it is using HD Audio:AAC (meaning it is streaming using AAC codec) which explains the delay because AAC codec streams around 300ms latency (I got this info from soundguys)
Next, I go to developer settings and tried to change the AAC codec to aptX but it just wont stick to aptX after I select it and click Back from developer settings, I go in the settings and it is still showing AAC codec as the codec, not aptX. Tried to restart the phone and re-pair the bluetooth earpiece but still, it sticks to AAC.
So I came to a mind whether my earpiece fool me and I pair the earpiece with my samsung galaxy S7 edge and my s7 edge is using aptX codec so which means my earpiece does support aptX codec and tried PUBG Mobile which I am shocked that it is still delay just the same as using red magic 3, i mean how can it be although my s7 edge has used aptX codec ??
I read a lot on google and most articles said that the problem is not with the bluetooth earpiece but it is the Android issue that does not support real time sync audio with bluetooth earpiece because how the Android OS process their system files etc.
But I just want to make sure that my phone red magic 3 does support aptX codec and I just cant change it to aptX, why ?
Additional findings: While the iphone (IOS) pair with apple airpods, the codec they use is AAC but the results are spectacular, no audio delay in gaming PUBG Mobile, everything is perfect, the steps, shoot, jump, etc are just like using a cable earphone. I am amazed at how IOS developers can do such thing that makes AAC codec stream so perfectly in sync between iphone and their own airpods. I test this using iphone 8+ with apple airpods gen 1
So in the end, the root cause why Bluetooth audio cant work with Android phone is because of the Android itself.
lius90 said:
Hello fellas,
I am creating this new thread as I have searched for relevant topic in this Red Magic 3 Forum and found none.
So let's discuss the issue that I had and I am certain most of you guys red magic 3 owner or Android owners face too.
I have purchased a bluetooth earpiece called pamu slide T6 from indiegogo (this is the URL https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pamu-slide-born-for-music-never-fall-out#/) and this earpice supports aptX codec which is the latest codec from Bluetooth that can provide a latency as low as 30ms compare to SBC/AAC that about 300ms.
The reason I purchased red magic 3 is solely for gaming purpose, mainly PUBG Mobile and I purchased this bluetooth earpiece just want to try and pair it while playing but when tested, the results are very worst, delay audio, out of sync with the action, jump, crawl, shoot, steps everything in the game audio was delayed so much almost 1 second.
On red magic 3 bluetooth device, I click on its settings and there shown that it is using HD Audio:AAC (meaning it is streaming using AAC codec) which explains the delay because AAC codec streams around 300ms latency (I got this info from soundguys)
Next, I go to developer settings and tried to change the AAC codec to aptX but it just wont stick to aptX after I select it and click Back from developer settings, I go in the settings and it is still showing AAC codec as the codec, not aptX. Tried to restart the phone and re-pair the bluetooth earpiece but still, it sticks to AAC.
So I came to a mind whether my earpiece fool me and I pair the earpiece with my samsung galaxy S7 edge and my s7 edge is using aptX codec so which means my earpiece does support aptX codec and tried PUBG Mobile which I am shocked that it is still delay just the same as using red magic 3, i mean how can it be although my s7 edge has used aptX codec ??
I read a lot on google and most articles said that the problem is not with the bluetooth earpiece but it is the Android issue that does not support real time sync audio with bluetooth earpiece because how the Android OS process their system files etc.
But I just want to make sure that my phone red magic 3 does support aptX codec and I just cant change it to aptX, why ?
Additional findings: While the iphone (IOS) pair with apple airpods, the codec they use is AAC but the results are spectacular, no audio delay in gaming PUBG Mobile, everything is perfect, the steps, shoot, jump, etc are just like using a cable earphone. I am amazed at how IOS developers can do such thing that makes AAC codec stream so perfectly in sync between iphone and their own airpods. I test this using iphone 8+ with apple airpods gen 1
So in the end, the root cause why Bluetooth audio cant work with Android phone is because of the Android itself.
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Incoherent, contradicting itself, juvenile... This is how this post sounds to me.
Hey, buddy, how about hundred of thousands of people who never experienced your problems with your crappy Indiegogo earbuds?
So in the end, the root cause why Bluetooth audio cant work with Android phone is because of the Android itself.
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I solve the problem with magisk aptx. Its because aptx nubia not paying Qualcomm? I don't know what. But i have kz aptX and i solve the problem. Btw my bludio don't have aptX or aac codex still works fine in pubg. It's Bluetooth 5.0
Just got the reply from redmagic support and they told me that the phone does not support aptx codec. Lol I am very shocked tho after all it has bluetooth 5 but still no aptx codec.
Well, question answered and mystery solved. Admin can close this thread as no more discussion is needed. Thank you.