Carl Pei left OnePlus! It was the Co-Founder of OnePlus and one of the brilliant minds that took the brand where it is today. Will your departure finally make the mark? We all know that there are currently numerous brands with very competitive prices, but OnePlus has managed to stand out since its first OnePlus ONE device. Be it for the quick updates, for the magnificent OOS, or for the design, OnePlus has risen in the rankings and is currently at the top of sales along with other reputable brands. Do you think it will remain so even with Carl departure?
Source: https://www.news18.com/amp/news/tec...-days-ahead-of-oneplus-8t-launch-2957756.html
If the founder leaves, I'm uncertain that many of the original values of the brand will not be maintained: I'm sure that these will be replaced by trends similar to those of Chinese producers, such as making more lines of the same product (see for example the north cheaper, honestly what target audience is it going to aim for if there is already north that satisfies the low-income consumer segment?). However, these are just guesses, and I hope I will be denied.
He has named his new company as Nothing.
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Samsung had requested this voluntary trial in September 2011, in order to oppose Apple’s ongoing efforts to reduce consumer choice and innovation in the tablet market through their excessive legal claims and arguments. Apple has insisted that the three Samsung tablet products infringe several features of Apple’s design right, such as 'slightly rounded corners,' 'a flat transparent surface without any ornamentation,' and 'a thin profile.'
"However, the High Court dismissed Apple’s arguments by referring to approximately 50 examples of prior art, or designs that were previously created or patented, from before 2004. These include the Knight Ridder (1994), the Ozolin (2004), and HP’s TC1000 (2003). The court found numerous Apple design features to lack originality, and numerous identical design features to have been visible in a wide range of earlier tablet designs from before 2004."
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www.androidcentral.com/british-high...nizable-differences-between-ipad-and-galaxy-t
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That's good. All this patent trolling is getting ridiculous, and it ain't just Apple either.
But the details there, it just goes to show how vague they can make these claims. There really needs to be some kind of reform of patent laws, particularly in this part of the industry which is only just finding its feet. Everybody seems to want to exclusively own this new big thing. Sure the iPad was the first system to take the tablet idea, merge it with a smartphone OS and capacitive touch screen etc. and use it in such a way but it most definitely wasn't the first attempt at a tablet/slate computer.
This really isn't what Steve Jobs would have wanted at all. He always celebrated his competitors and the drive they gave his company to do better. If people just crushed any competitors which came up in their industry, power users would still be using BlackBerry phones...
I'm glad there is a court that sees through Apples BS.
I know trade dress is easier to defeat then bs patents but it is a nice start
I hope that this time Apple won't ask for Samsungs technology one month later...
http://www.lockergnome.com/news/2012/07/10/corporations-into-causes/
Either way, patent disputes have been going on for as long as patent law has existed. Corporations buy companies explicitly for the patents they posses, because patents are the new product. If you develop a new way of overcoming a technological hurdle, you’re almost guaranteed a buyout these days if you have the foresight to patent your idea. The rights to that idea are far more valuable than the products themselves (for some reason) thanks to the way the current patent system exists.
Apple has been called out for achieving an injunction against the Galaxy Nexus. This isn’t the first time Apple has taken legal action to protect its patents, and the reasoning behind these actions can be a much deeper rabbit hole than it might appear on the surface.
For starters, if you don’t defend your patent in one case, you may lose any legal grounds you have to defend it in another. It’s not like other companies aren’t suing to protect their own properties. Apple just happens to be the one that received an injunction.
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Pretty interesting article.
I can't see how they managed to get the injunction though. I could understand with the Galaxy S1 or the Galaxy Ace (they pretty much copied the whole design there), or even the Tab 10.1, but the Nexus barely even resembles an iPhone. But this is why Google bought Motorola - did anybody think Motorola had anything going for them, really? They just own a tonne of patents Google want. Sammy have been constantly trying to sue Apple at the same time, this has been going on for ages, just for some stupid reason they got an injunction here.
I found this to be a very interesting read so I thought I'd share it.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/haydnsh...5-comes-early-and-with-a-hint-of-desperation/
Samsung has announced a preview of the Galaxy S5 on February 24th at Mobile World Congress in Barcelona. Sort of. Invites have gone out to the press for what Samsung is describing as Unpacked, Episode 1 with a large 5 emblazoned on the invite (twice). All a big tease. Might it backfire?
The announcement has been picked up around the world. A Galaxy launch is a big event. But there is a hint that this time round Samsung is desperate to get a new device out there and to use the attendant publicity to drive sales in a very tight market. Samsung needs this more than we do.
In the middle of last year, not long after the S4 launch I suggested Samsung had peaked in smartphones. The evidence since then has been pretty compelling. Samsung’s sales seem to have stalled more dramatically than Apple’s.
In June 2013 Samsung gave guidance on record profits. By Q4 Bloomberg reported the first drop in profits in 9 quarters.
Samsung Electronics Co. (005930) posted its first profit decline in nine quarters as new Apple Inc. (AAPL) iPhones won over high-end handset buyers and models from cheaper Chinese producers lured budget customers.
It’s clear that the Samsung pricing cascade is running out of steam. You have to go back some years, to the general consumer electronics industry and in particular TVs to see this cascade at work. Remember it?
Launch at a high price/high margin to soak the early adopters, discount to acquire market share; and when that stops working, launch a new generation product. Soon after the S4 was available the price differential in different parts of the world exceeded $300 as they played this cascade out in different markets.
Now Samsung needs sales, not least to support its vast manufacturing capacity. According to Daewo Securities, “Samsung shipped 13 million units of its S4 in the fourth quarter, down from 17 million in the previous three months.” That’s a reduction of 4 million units in the buying season.
Because of its pricing model, Samsung is also in danger of ceding high margin sales to Apple more generally.
There will be novelty in the S5 to try to win margins back, however. Leaks in January suggest Samsung will sport a new UI in the S5, possible powered by Google NOW. The two companies have been working more closely lately and more product integration would be no surprise. Samsung has also been working hard on its branding, despite being caught out manipulating social media reviews of competitors. I covered some of that brand investment here on Forbes.
Yet it is in software and services integration that Samsung still lags. Software has been named a new national priority for Korea, a move reported by The New Yorker, recently. In the software and services arena, in promoting service revenue in place of hardware margins, Samsung is a decade behind Apple. The strain of being hardware first is beginning to tell.
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Samsung's suffering the same thing Apple is - Western smartphone markets are approaching saturation which is causing a drop in margins as manufacturers turn to emerging markets where selling price and margin are lower. In quarterly revenue, market share, and margin growth Samsung still outperformed all other Android device manufacturers based on last quarter's earnings. Their revenue was actually up but their earning's were depressed because of lower margins in mobile devices. LG (who gets over half their mobile revenue from dumb phones) and the other Chinese (physically based and selling market) manufacturers showed YOY gains but everyone else is dying including Sony, HTC, and Motorola.
So if articles like you quoted predicting Samsung's death and desperation are true I hope you like Apple and iOS. Because if changing market conditions are going to kill Samsung then they'll be the last to go behind every other brand discussed on XDA.
BarryH_GEG said:
Samsung's suffering the same thing Apple is - Western smartphone markets are approaching saturation which is causing a drop in margins as manufacturers turn to emerging markets where selling price and margin are lower. In quarterly revenue, market share, and margin growth Samsung still outperformed all other Android device manufacturers based on last quarter's earnings. Their revenue was actually up but their earning's were depressed because of lower margins in mobile devices. LG (who gets over half their mobile revenue from dumb phones) and the other Chinese (physically based and selling market) manufacturers showed YOY gains but everyone else is dying including Sony, HTC, and Motorola.
So if articles like you quoted predicting Samsung's death and desperation are true I hope you like Apple and iOS. Because if changing market conditions are going to kill Samsung then they'll be the last to go behind every other brand discussed on XDA.
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Quite an intelligent response. I didn't perceive the article as pointing towards the death of Samsung. Samsung obviously isn't going anywhere anytime soon. I'd rather be without a phone than having an Apple product.
Delakit said:
Quite an intelligent response. I didn't perceive the article as pointing towards the death of Samsung. Samsung obviously isn't going anywhere anytime soon. I'd rather be without a phone than having an Apple product.
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The is the problem you going to get In an ecosystem with so many competition. Every manufacturer costs raise to compete with each other and in the end becomes a zero sum game for them. Just like sony needing to exit their PC biz, some manufacturers who can't play well in smartphone world will need to exit too.
Only winner here is Google and in some way Apple owning their own ecosystems, Consumers definitely benefit the most with the amount of choices of phones out there to tinker with
Phones are overpriced anyway. I've never seen the actual costs but it's silly.
I think if anyone's in danger Apple are in trouble. They are still overpricing. I know quite a few who have jumped ship from Apple.
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Samsung is being force to compete now, the likes of LG has making them a little bit more competitive, which is a good thing since before Samsung was the Android king and the King of smart phone besting out Apple and Window phones. Since the LG G2 was introduce, Samsung customer have been looking toward LG direction, I am one of them and I am glad I picked the G2 over the S4. Let the two giant battle it out, the winner will be the customer.
This is quite the pivot...
I can't see this being real, but I thought it was interesting.
"A cryptic snap has been posted on the app, and it hints at a new launch.
The snap showcases a young girl riding a Segway-like electric vehicle with the caption: 'On My Way' and 'Coming Soon.' The company has been working on a number of new products over the past few months. Last week, their upcoming smartphone, the OnePlus 3T was spotted in various listings online. This week, it looks like their upcoming device, a Segway-like electric self-balancing vehicle has been spotted."
https://www.droidmen.com/oneplus-speculated-release-self-balancing-vehicle/
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3T rumors are everywhere damn, I just got my phone and now this, if OP releases an updated phone without headphone jack they are digging their own grave, the OP3 was a massive success and now ditch the whole user base for a damn new phone again ? Common. FFS gimme a break here.
I just hope it's some sort of a Tablet or an accessory that costs +80USD to the $400 tag or $80 for the latter.
I have seen many Iphone users shifting to OnePlus as well many a more samsung and other android brand users now only going for OnePlus.
Matter of fact is I have been thinking from quite a long time now, when OnePlus's parent brand OPPO is aggressively doing marketing campaigns all over Pakistan and operating then why haven't OnePlus officially launched here ...
We, the OP fans, still either wish that someone from abroad comes so that we request to bring OP for us or we buy a 2nd hand used OP from anyone who came from abroad or some of us like me get the phone from a local Online shopping website of which they charge comparitively very high price.
OP should be officially launched in Pakistan as well.
I am still hoping for someone coming from US to get me my OP5T if anyone here could help me in this please do let me know
I was watching OP5T live event in which they said when first launched the OnePlus One and it became successful, websites and people started selling OP on a very high price so then they adopted this mechanism to sell the phone globally from their own website.
I would like to bring this information to OnePlus officials that this is still happening here in Pakistan and yes we the users are suffering, websites and people are offering OP5T in PKR 65000/- which is around USD 625.
Just a voice.
salmanghiyas said:
I have seen many Iphone users shifting to OnePlus as well many a more samsung and other android brand users now only going for OnePlus.
Matter of fact is I have been thinking from quite a long time now, when OnePlus's parent brand OPPO is aggressively doing marketing campaigns all over Pakistan and operating then why haven't OnePlus officially launched here ...
We, the OP fans, still either wish that someone from abroad comes so that we request to bring OP for us or we buy a 2nd hand used OP from anyone who came from abroad or some of us like me get the phone from a local Online shopping website of which they charge comparitively very high price.
OP should be officially launched in Pakistan as well.
I am still hoping for someone coming from US to get me my OP5T if anyone here could help me in this please do let me know
I was watching OP5T live event in which they said when first launched the OnePlus One and it became successful, websites and people started selling OP on a very high price so then they adopted this mechanism to sell the phone globally from their own website.
I would like to bring this information to OnePlus officials that this is still happening here in Pakistan and yes we the users are suffering, websites and people are offering OP5T in PKR 65000/- which is around USD 625.
Just a voice.
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I suggest you write this to the OnePlus Feedback and not XDA.
10 years ago HTC was a great company! Then after they reached great success, they started with range of dumb decisions. Today, nobody cares about HTC. Not sending phones any longer to developers, who are big part of this success story, is an arrogant and dumb OnePlus decision. In a long term, this will cost them way, way more, then what they'll save not shipping phones to developers. I hope I'm wrong.
Yesterday somebody said that those 20 smartphones they "giveaway" for developers is about 0,006% of total sales(3.000.000 so far) of the 6T so far. It's not. It's about 0,0006% of theyr sold phones.
For sure if it's true, I'll stop buying OP.
I doubt them stopping giving a few devices away is gonna harm them at all, Sure some devs will move to other brands but still OnePlus is shipping the sources fast and keeping the price cheaper than other devices, If all devs abandon them and the prices increase with more stupid decisions maybe the hype will die off.
Still their sales are increasing year on year so I doubt they'll flop like HTC did
guaranteed, this wont affect OnePlus's financial growth ONE BIT..
their success partnering with TMobile/Verizon, will boost their sales, and , I'm sure they couldn't care less about the 100 or the 1000 or even the 5000 people on XDA who wont buy their phones any more..
I think the price is the most appealing part of their devices. They could only fail if that changes, which I don't see. They will always undercut the Samsung's and Apples of the world.
yep, features/value for the buck, they are the current kings of that...that could change if they get too cocky/greedy, but if not, their growth will continue until someone comes out and knocks them out..
Not being root friendly was not the death of HTC. HTC would release 10 phones a year that were all the same, and then had weird advertising. Remember that pale-skinned red head that would say random things (I think it was for the Evo 3D)? Creepy. The Downey Jr ad campaign was entertaining at best, but mostly just weird. Then 3 years of the "ultra pixel" cameras when the entire market far surpassed HTC in the camera game. Plus, Samsung really stepped up their game, and Galaxy became a household name. Nexus phones came out, and became the go-to for the rom community. HTC became intertwined with Sprint, when everyone was leaving Sprint. WiMax? LOL
Now, not to say that OnePlus can't fail, but as long as they continue to make quality phones at great prices, they should continue to do well for quite some time. And with the love they have shown with software updates, it shows they stand behind their phones. If they stop becoming the value proposition, it will be easy for someone else to steal their market share.
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Not being root friendly was not the death of HTC. HTC would release 10 phones a year that were all the same, and then had weird advertising. Remember that pale-skinned red head that would say random things (I think it was for the Evo 3D)? Creepy. The Downey Jr ad campaign was entertaining at best, but mostly just weird. Then 3 years of the "ultra pixel" cameras when the entire market far surpassed HTC in the camera game. Plus, Samsung really stepped up their game, and Galaxy became a household name. Nexus phones came out, and became the go-to for the rom community. HTC became intertwined with Sprint, when everyone was leaving Sprint. WiMax? LOL
Now, not to say that OnePlus can't fail, but as long as they continue to make quality phones at great prices, they should continue to do well for quite some time. And with the love they have shown with software updates, it shows they stand behind their phones. If they stop becoming the value proposition, it will be easy for someone else to steal their market share.
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Well said :good:
They already start to be trash. Sending so much devices to YouTuber and stop sending few devices to developer is just a "why".
No 3.5mm anymore and already at 550€ (I can get s9+ for that price and for 600€ a Note 9).
The camera is still ~S7 and no dual speaker, no QI... I hope they will end like HTC.
OnePlus will restart seeding program per latest update. Anyway, no need to cut the program just to make it better.
Oneplus 6T is still a good choice for its value position. But agree, they put more focus on the Youtubers than developers, who can give them useful support and tech suggestion.
Not sure which way, but its not the same anymore.