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Preordered an 8GB the 27th of June like a good fanboy. Waited a few weeks and got it the 17th of July. Right out of the box, my excitement is a bit dampened when the screen flickers.
Browse through xda, lots of people with the same issue, must be software right? Oh, this phone and this tablet had it, a software patch fixed it. I give it a few days. Flickering getting very annoying, and as it becomes apparent that it's a hardware issue, people start complaining about units with far worse issues. I hesitate but finally decide to RMA the thing with 1 day left on my "Buyer's remorse" refund period. I'm promised the unit would be checked for such defects before being shipped out.
Yesterday another brand new Nexus arrives, double taped. And, sure enough, it's worse. Not only does it flicker harder than the original, but it has a yellow tint to the screen and a dead pixel right in the middle. Call Google ask if I can ship the new, worse unit back and hold onto my old one until a proper replacement arrives. Rep says I'm SOL since now my 15 days are up, here's the number to Asus. Call Asus, told do a factory reset and call back if problem persists (waste of a call). Call them again, now I'm told I have to ship the thing myself, wait two weeks and either get a new one or a repaired one. No friggin' way.
Call Google again, ready for a phone fight with the reps so they would escalate this. Had I known the replacement would have been (more!) defective, I would have returned the unit right then an there. Tell the rep I'm very upset and that I want to ship both tablets back, get my money back and be done with it. Says that's beyond the scope of what he can do, so he "escalates" the issue to a Google specialist via email, who should get in touch with me "within the next few days due to high order volume".
So now I wait patiently for a reply, hopefully one that doesn't say I'm not their problem anymore. I just want my money back so can I waltz into a retailer and buy a 16GB Nexus, and return it right there if the damn thing is defective.
Good luck. I'm sure Google is swamped with similar issues and it's highly unlikely that you can get your old unit back. However, while you wait get a sheet of paper out and a nice pen and write a tasteful letter to a Google exec. that is in charge with Customer Relations and/or Product Marketing and explain your dis-satisfaction. Don't expect a replacement unit to come to your door next day, but I've found that the "Old fashioned" way of communicating with a company is sometimes the quickest way to get heard. It can at least get your foot in the door.
Good luck.
I had a similar issue. Wasn't happy with first Nexus 7 and got an RMA. The second one arrives and it's even worse.
I called Google asking if I can RMA the second one and keep the first while I wait for the third. The rep says no. But minutes after hanging up with her I got a new RMA number that included the serial number of my second Nexus 7. I clicked the link to request the replacement, like I did the first time. Boxed up the second Nexus 7 and shipped it back.
I got the third Nexus 7 today, still have my first.
Sadly however, I can not ****ing believe it, but the third is even worse than the second. Google and ASUS must be playing some practical joke on me or something. So at this point I shipping both tablets back. Between my iPad 3 and Galaxy Nexus, I didn't need the Nexus 7 that damn bad anyway. Just disappointing that ASUS's quality is such a nightmare that I could get 3 tablets and they all have defects.
So to understand the OP.
#1. Buy new Nexus 7 from Google directly its defective
#2. Get new Nexus 7 directly from Google, its defective but worse.
#3. Google tells you to call ASUS for repairs pay for shipping to ASUS yourself.
#4. Finally give up want to return second worse Nexus 7 back to Google for refund rep in India (I am guessing) says its beyond their scope. Has to wait days for a Specialist to grant their holy permission to I am hoping your return for full refund the Nexus 7 while you can.
All while waiting days if not weeks
Note to self from now on Buy Apple, from Apple store if defective, return to Apple store, walk out with new one.
Just so happens I am very happy with my Nexus 7, but had I experienced a fraction of the problems I would have been out a while ago.
Ravynmagi said:
I had a similar issue. Wasn't happy with first Nexus 7 and got an RMA. The second one arrives and it's even worse.
I called Google asking if I can RMA the second one and keep the first while I wait for the third. The rep says no. But minutes after hanging up with her I got a new RMA number that included the serial number of my second Nexus 7. I clicked the link to request the replacement, like I did the first time. Boxed up the second Nexus 7 and shipped it back.
I got the third Nexus 7 today, still have my first.
Sadly however, I can not ****ing believe it, but the third is even worse than the second. Google and ASUS must be playing some practical joke on me or something. So at this point I shipping both tablets back. Between my iPad 3 and Galaxy Nexus, I didn't need the Nexus 7 that damn bad anyway. Just disappointing that ASUS's quality is such a nightmare that I could get 3 tablets and they all have defects.
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Seriously, I mean there's a difference between first batch quirks and units falling apart being shipped out. I mean, thankfully neither of my units had screen lift or dead touch zones, but any of these problems are things that never should make it through Quality Control regardless.
And while I am very disillusioned with Google at the moment, I still place most of the blame on Asus. For now...
IceColdKila said:
So to understand the OP.
#1. Buy new Nexus 7 from Google directly its defective
#2. Get new Nexus 7 directly from Google, its defective but worse.
#3. Google tells you to call ASUS for repairs pay for shipping to ASUS yourself.
#4. Finally give up want to return second worse Nexus 7 back to Google for refund rep in India (I am guessing) says its beyond their scope. Has to wait days for a Specialist to grant their holy permission to I am hoping your return for full refund the Nexus 7 while you can.
All while waiting days if not weeks
Note to self from now on Buy Apple, from Apple store if defective, return to Apple store, walk out with new one.
Just so happens I am very happy with my Nexus 7, but had I experienced a fraction of the problems I would have been out a while ago.
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Buying Apple is just a mistake in itself.:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
Well I just got an 8gb yesterday no issues with flicker but once in while an app might force close or I can't tap n the screen have to hit home button or power to unlock and go back. But everything else seems perfect.
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Just so happens I am very happy with my Nexus 7
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Judging by the dozen posts you've made on here so far, I'd like to see what you'd have to say if you weren't "very happy".
So how can people on a developer forum...who have no connection to Google or Asus, help you? What would you like this community to do for you?
IceColdKila said:
So to understand the OP.
#1. Buy new Nexus 7 from Google directly its defective
#2. Get new Nexus 7 directly from Google, its defective but worse.
#3. Google tells you to call ASUS for repairs pay for shipping to ASUS yourself.
#4. Finally give up want to return second worse Nexus 7 back to Google for refund rep in India (I am guessing) says its beyond their scope. Has to wait days for a Specialist to grant their holy permission to I am hoping your return for full refund the Nexus 7 while you can.
All while waiting days if not weeks
Note to self from now on Buy Apple, from Apple store if defective, return to Apple store, walk out with new one.
Just so happens I am very happy with my Nexus 7, but had I experienced a fraction of the problems I would have been out a while ago.
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I'm sorry I'm double posting but I just want to say something. Ummmm, you say that if he buys at apple and it seems to be defective he can just go straight to the apple store and tell them that his phone is defective and they will just give him a new 1 and he will walk out with a new 1 well couldn't he do that if with his nexus seven if he had bought his nexus 7 from target gamestop or office max I'm pretty sure he could you're making it out like any device bought from apple that if a defection comes up at anytime he can just take that device right back to apple and walk out with a new 1 i mean you're forgetting to mention the fact of the of how much apple charges for a simple defect let's just say his microphone bad well that cost my dad 117 dollars for him to walk out with a new iphone and it turns out that was just a simple software problem. Nexus 7 would be perfectly fine if he would have just bought it from any retailer instead of pre ordering from google play. It's not his fault of the device is faulty we all know now that asus is having some production problems with the nexus 7 but it seems that the ones but from retailers are pretty good. And if he buys on from a retailer thats not pretty good he can just walk right back to that retailer and switch it out for a good 1. Just like he could do at apple.
I'm sorry if there is some grammar problems here I used google voice to type out this entire thing because I just did not feel like typing and I love my nexus 7 on how it can understand me almost perfectly
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Buying Apple is just a mistake in itself.:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
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That might be what you think. . I have not had any problems with my Nexus 7 (thank god). No screen lift what so ever, no dead pixels (yet), and no screen "flicker" (I don't even know what people are calling a screen flicker). So far Im counting my blessings as my ASUS Tranformer Prime was an absolute nightmare. I do however, think that the display is awful. Its much better than my Prime, but it is out great at all. The colors are off, it ghosts for a few seconds after watching a video, Netflix looks awful, and text looks blurry. I've always been partial to display tech, but I was expecting much more out of this display. When you put it up next to the retina iPad it is no competition. I still love my 7 and wont be getting rid of it anytime soon and most of all I was expecting a lot out of a $200 tablet, but I can't help but imagine how much better this device would be if HTC or Samsung produced it (Motorola would be far worse than ASUS IMHO). Say what you will about Apple, but you get a far superior product especially in display tech (the best spec by far in my opinion). You also get much better customer service, better apps, and there is not a company that comes close to competing with Apple and Jony Ive in build quality in phones, tablets, or any tech period.
I love the Nexus 7. But a good quality display is the most important thing and it's a shame ASUS seems to have royally screwed this up with a lot of the Nexus 7s. My freaking Nook Color looks better (besides the lower DPI) and it was a cheap tablet too.
I would have rather seen the Nexus 7 go with a cheaper TI OMAP 4 processor instead of the Tegra 3 if it meant a better quality display.
I've decided to get a refund after 3 bad tablets and it kills me because this is the one and only Nexus tablet.
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I'm sorry I'm double posting but I just want to say something. Ummmm, you say that if he buys at apple and it seems to be defective he can just go straight to the apple store and tell them that his phone is defective and they will just give him a new 1 and he will walk out with a new 1 well couldn't he do that if with his nexus seven if he had bought his nexus 7 from target gamestop or office max I'm pretty sure he could you're making it out like any device bought from apple that if a defection comes up at anytime he can just take that device right back to apple and walk out with a new 1 i mean you're forgetting to mention the fact of the of how much apple charges for a simple defect let's just say his microphone bad well that cost my dad 117 dollars for him to walk out with a new iphone and it turns out that was just a simple software problem. Nexus 7 would be perfectly fine if he would have just bought it from any retailer instead of pre ordering from google play. It's not his fault of the device is faulty we all know now that asus is having some production problems with the nexus 7 but it seems that the ones but from retailers are pretty good. And if he buys on from a retailer thats not pretty good he can just walk right back to that retailer and switch it out for a good 1. Just like he could do at apple.
I'm sorry if there is some grammar problems here I used google voice to type out this entire thing because I just did not feel like typing and I love my nexus 7 on how it can understand me almost perfectly
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First of all if Apple charged your dad $117 dollars for an issue with software (or what turned out to be software) then there is def more to the story. Your dad must have been past the 1 yr warranty or had some very noticeable damage to the device (they could tell it had been dropped or misused doesn't have to be held together by duck tape or anything). Apple doesn't even ask questions if you are under warranty they simply take it back, check for water and physical damage, sometimes check for a resolution, check your warranty and replace your device. I've dealt with them for years and they have far and away the best customer service of any tech brand (maybe even any brand ever). I even had a 2008 Unibody Macbook and before I replaced it in September I had a major issue with the device not charging. It ended up being the logic board which is far and away the most expensive part to replace and I did not have Apple care at all. They could have pushed me out of the store as they didn't need to do anything. They ended up charging me $149 (which is just a little more than you claimed they charged your dad for an iPhone which is much cheaper in comparison) which was for parts and labor and within 2 days I had my laptop back. Not only that, but they replaced my battery with a new one, replaced my head phone jack as the rep stated it had moved slightly in over the years, and even warrantied the entire laptop for another year at no charge. Keep in mind this is almost 3 years later. That is customer care. Over the years I've constantly chosen Android over iOS as I love to tinker, am learning to code in college, like the open OS, and best of all it looks great and offers customizability. I dumped my iPhone 3Gs years ago and got me the Nexus One (best phone I've ever owned despite the many problems) and hadn't looked back until this year. I still have a Galaxy Nexus and just got the Nexus 7, but I dumped my Xoom and Prime for the retina iPad thinking I could deal with iOS for the much better display. I was blown away by how much better iOS has gotten. Now I use both and like things about both. I even got me an iPhone 4S which although a much smaller display and no LTE is still probably my favorite phone for many reasons. The display is almost 2 1/2 years old and still no Android OEM has caught up and the iPad will not be dethroned for a long time to come. I usually just read comments, but I just got done reading one of your ignorant de Apple posts and got done posting and saw this post. I don't know what your problem is with Apple, but I can almost bet my bank account you have never used or owned one of their products (outside of maybe an iPod as who hasn't). I don't see why so many people have to love either Android or iOS and absolutely detest the other. Either way you more than likely have never used the other OS more than a couple minutes and feel you need to defend your purchase to the death.
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Ravynmagi said:
I love the Nexus 7. But a good quality display is the most important thing and it's a shame ASUS seems to have royally screwed this up with a lot of the Nexus 7s. My freaking Nook Color looks better (besides the lower DPI) and it was a cheap tablet too.
I would have rather seen the Nexus 7 go with a cheaper TI OMAP 4 processor instead of the Tegra 3 if it meant a better quality display.
I've decided to get a refund after 3 bad tablets and it kills me because this is the one and only Nexus tablet.
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I feel exactly the same. I was pretty excited that Google/ASUS went with a 1280x800 on a 7 inch display as that puts the ppi right up there with my retina iPad. Boy have I been let down. I didnt expect a lot as my Prime always let me down on the display front, but they really cheaped out on the display on the 7. It is not even in the same ballpark as the retina iPad.
I feel bad that you have so many issues with yours as I dont have any problems except just the quality of the display. Oh well i bought it as a glorified ereader and love the 7 inch form factor, but my usage from the first week has severely dropped and Ive gone back to my iPad and even my iPhone as I just cant get over the display. Some or holding out for a software fix, but Im not crossing my fingers as I think it was just poor decisons on the overall quality of products. I can say one thing tho despite the issues I have with it it was well worth $200 and it is still far and away the best Android tablet out and I dont see that changing until maybe the higher res Samsung that is rumored. Even then it will be held back by Touchwiz software and never be updated and I wont get me another Android device period unless it is Nexus branded and it runs pure Google.
Does your screen flicker even if you turn auto brightness off?
ExploreMN said:
So how can people on a developer forum...who have no connection to Google or Asus, help you? What would you like this community to do for you?
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Nothing, I'm just sharing my story. I don't recall asking for help anywhere on my post.
ceejay83 said:
Does your screen flicker even if you turn auto brightness off?
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It flickers when brightness is below 30% and there is wifi activity, regardless of autobrightness. The rep who accepted my original RMA said this was a known "shielding issue" with some units.
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First of all if Apple charged your dad $117 dollars for an issue with software (or what turned out to be software) then there is def more to the story. Your dad must have been past the 1 yr warranty or had some very noticeable damage to the device (they could tell it had been dropped or misused doesn't have to be held together by duck tape or anything). Apple doesn't even ask questions if you are under warranty they simply take it back, check for water and physical damage, sometimes check for a resolution, check your warranty and replace your device. I've dealt with them for years and they have far and away the best customer service of any tech brand (maybe even any brand ever). I even had a 2008 Unibody Macbook and before I replaced it in September I had a major issue with the device not charging. It ended up being the logic board which is far and away the most expensive part to replace and I did not have Apple care at all. They could have pushed me out of the store as they didn't need to do anything. They ended up charging me $149 (which is just a little more than you claimed they charged your dad for an iPhone which is much cheaper in comparison) which was for parts and labor and within 2 days I had my laptop back. Not only that, but they replaced my battery with a new one, replaced my head phone jack as the rep stated it had moved slightly in over the years, and even warrantied the entire laptop for another year at no charge. Keep in mind this is almost 3 years later. That is customer care. Over the years I've constantly chosen Android over iOS as I love to tinker, am learning to code in college, like the open OS, and best of all it looks great and offers customizability. I dumped my iPhone 3Gs years ago and got me the Nexus One (best phone I've ever owned despite the many problems) and hadn't looked back until this year. I still have a Galaxy Nexus and just got the Nexus 7, but I dumped my Xoom and Prime for the retina iPad thinking I could deal with iOS for the much better display. I was blown away by how much better iOS has gotten. Now I use both and like things about both. I even got me an iPhone 4S which although a much smaller display and no LTE is still probably my favorite phone for many reasons. The display is almost 2 1/2 years old and still no Android OEM has caught up and the iPad will not be dethroned for a long time to come. I usually just read comments, but I just got done reading one of your ignorant de Apple posts and got done posting and saw this post. I don't know what your problem is with Apple, but I can almost bet my bank account you have never used or owned one of their products (outside of maybe an iPod as who hasn't). I don't see why so many people have to love either Android or iOS and absolutely detest the other. Either way you more than likely have never used the other OS more than a couple minutes and feel you need to defend your purchase to the death.
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You are 100% wrong. I had an iPhone for quite a long time, and I liked it, until I realized how closed sourced it was. So I got an ascend from cricket. Sure it was slow and laggy as hell, but I could modify it to make it a bit better. And when my dads mic went out, (nothing else was wrong with the phone it was a beautiful looking iPhone.) And apple charged him all that money just because of the work they had to do. It pissed me off. There are many reasons why I hate apple. Such as there relentless no support of flash, and the fact of how they constantly release a "new" iPhone that is the EXACT same body build as the last one just with a few different components inside. Talk about creativity. I mean do they even listen to their customers??? Everyone was complaining about how the idea of raised glass on the front, and strong plastic on the back was a bad idea for durability, but did they listen? Hell no, they were just like "Hey look its the new, revolutionary iPhone 4.......S!!!!" Holy crap! Its so revolutionary, it has a dual core processor, oh wait, that was done a long time ago, well it has an 8 megapixel camera, oh wait, that was done in 2008, well this thing sucks....
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You are 100% wrong. I had an iPhone for quite a long time, and I liked it, until I realized how closed sourced it was. So I got an ascend from cricket. Sure it was slow and laggy as hell, but I could modify it to make it a bit better. And when my dads mic went out, (nothing else was wrong with the phone it was a beautiful looking iPhone.) And apple charged him all that money just because of the work they had to do. It pissed me off. There are many reasons why I hate apple. Such as there relentless no support of flash, and the fact of how they constantly release a "new" iPhone that is the EXACT same body build as the last one just with a few different components inside. Talk about creativity. I mean do they even listen to their customers??? Everyone was complaining about how the idea of raised glass on the front, and strong plastic on the back was a bad idea for durability, but did they listen? Hell no, they were just like "Hey look its the new, revolutionary iPhone 4.......S!!!!" Holy crap! Its so revolutionary, it has a dual core processor, oh wait, that was done a long time ago, well it has an 8 megapixel camera, oh wait, that was done in 2008, well this thing sucks....
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I agree with you about how crappy and overrated the iPhone is but, (this is gonna kill me to defend Apple) the person you're calling 100% wrong sure isn't if the phone was under warranty. They would not have charged $117. I know several people that had issues with their devices. They just walked into an Apple Store, and walked out with a brand new one. Recently, my sister's 7 month old iPad had a broken power button. She just took it the store, they loaded all her data on to a new one, and she left with a brand new device.
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I agree with you about how crappy and overrated the iPhone is but, (this is gonna kill me to defend Apple) the person you're calling 100% wrong sure isn't if the phone was under warranty. They would not have charged $117. I know several people that had issues with their devices. They just walked into an Apple Store, and walked out with a brand new one. Recently, my sister's 7 month old iPad had a broken power button. She just took it the store, they loaded all her data on to a new one, and she left with a brand new device.
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No I meant he was wrong about me never have have using an apple device.
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Update! No email all week, so I got impatient and called a rep. Explained my situation, stressed the fact that I need this thing to take notes and classes start in about two weeks for me, so I can't afford to have a conversation by email that takes days per reply. Finally he offered to either RMA the replacement, or wait about two weeks for a full refund after a specialist reviews my case. I figured I'd try my luck (third time's the charm?) and go with another replacement. :laugh:
That sure beats the heck out of paying for shipping and waiting two weeks for Asus to repair/replace my tablet! The rep also said if, for some reason, the third unit is also defective, that a refund would pretty much be guaranteed due to the extreme circumstances. Certainly have a much better feeling about the situation right now, since I'm not just being told I'm someone else's problem or to wait for days to get an update on the situation by email.
There's just no good hardware makers for android out there this will probley be my last android tablet period to people who say they rather have Samsung HTC build it for what? So they can charge 600 for a pos that creaks and falling apart and no updates I'm really starting to understand why people buy apple I'm just to OCD for android I've had many android phones all of them a pos android is the poor folk apple
Until Google makes there own stuff like apple screw them I won't be fooled anymore regardless how boring iOS is
To the people who bought 500+ android tablet you got ripped
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Why do we have to endure weeks of waiting for the release of a new Samsung device when it has been announced? All those people at the unpacked event waving the Note 4 and Edge around on stage or within the experience stands make me jealous but also make me angry.
I never see why the phones/devices cannot be on the shelves within a week of an announcement for contract free purchases. I understand there might be negotiations with carriers but why stop those with the cash in their hands?
I also would love to know who decides on which country gets a certain device and when.
Samsung is particularly bad at this. They drag their heels with pricing, release dates and availability. Surely this can be all in place prior to their events.
It's not wrong, you're right!
Apple does very well
I know. How long does it take to mole the circuit board, etc?
Its potential for cash cow. People say Oct 5th for T-mobile. Thats 4 weeks too long.
This is one thing Apple actually does very well. Release date generally follows announcement by less than 2 weeks. Pre-orders start just a few days after the announcement.
It is very annoying. I wish they'd just wait to announce until they're closer to release. Who cares if it leaks during production? Samsung isn't as bad as LG tho, they are terrible.
This article is another reason why the wait is irritating. http://www.gsmarena.com/nvidia_files_a_patent_lawsuit_against_samsung_and_qualcomm-news-9564.php
Samsung is terrible at this. Apple has almost always released within earshot knowing the hypetrain is still there. By the time Note 4 arrives iPhone6 will be on shelves. Noone outside the geekworld is hyped about a Note 4. Even casuals know a new and bigger iPhone are coming. After the S5 dissaponting sales you'd think Samsung would pull out all stops.
Shame, they could be taking advantage of the earlier announcement over apple but they're going to just let apple rake in the earlier pre orders.
for one, it's pretty obvious they need time to produce hundreds of thousands of them first., on top of that, each carrier needs time to receive the units and to do their own testing and get samsung to load things on to them, firmware,modems,etc..
surely if they were available right after announced that would mean the device was already in productions many weeks prior and shipped/stocked at all retailers before hand.. this wouldn't make sense..
this is just standard on all electronic and if you ever bought any other piece of electronic in the past, you would have known this is normal practice to announce and then begin shipping out to retailers.
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Shame, they could be taking advantage of the earlier announcement over apple but they're going to just let apple rake in the earlier pre orders.
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preorders are already open on the sprint website and have been for a couple days http://www.sprint.com/landings/samsung_note4/index.html?ECID=vanity:galaxynote4
blame the carrier if yours isn't available for preorder yet.
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for one, it's pretty obvious they need time to produce hundreds of thousands of them first., on top of that, each carrier needs time to receive the units and to do their own testing and get samsung to load things on to them, firmware,modems,etc..
surely if they were available right after announced that would mean the device was already in productions many weeks prior and shipped/stocked at all retailers before hand.. this wouldn't make sense..
this is just standard on all electronic and if you ever bought any other piece of electronic in the past, you would have known this is normal practice to announce and then begin shipping out to retailers.
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Well I already stated that I understood why there was a delay for carrier testing but I am talking about those who wish to buy outright. And if Apple and HTC can get their stock out shortly after announcements then why can't Samsung? Saying this is normal practice does not make it acceptable.
The devices shown at the launch were not prototypes, the production process has already begun and could have been stepped up prior to the launch.
Also, it still does not answer the question on pricing, release dates and country availability (for carrier free devices) these things need to be finalised before launch or very shortly after. In my opinion it's all just a tactic to build up some sort of hype
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blame the carrier if yours isn't available for preorder yet.
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Preorder is not the same thing. I only see registration for email alert. Same as T-mobile.
I find it strange that Cellphone carriers do not even concentrate in advertizing for the release of the Note 4.
This is why its nice not having carriers mess and install a bunch of bloat. I don't think carriers mess around with iPhones and install their software on it, so less time wasted on things you don't need or care about. Just get the product out and sell it.
Anyways, just poor planning really, a month is a long time in the tech world and consumer electronic hype wears off fairly fast when something else new and shiny comes out in between then.
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Saying this is normal practice does not make it acceptable.
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People love hyperbole I guess. If it is 'unacceptable' to you then buy an iPhone or HTC product.
Samsung can release its phone any dang time they feel like it - that's their business. If you don't like it, you can not buy it - that's your business.
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People love hyperbole I guess. If it is 'unacceptable' to you then buy an iPhone or HTC product.
Samsung can release its phone any dang time they feel like it - that's their business. If you don't like it, you can not buy it - that's your business.
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Well duh.. Thanks for explaining that, I feel so enlightened now.
My point of this post is for debate as to why it happens. We the consumers are entitled to complain. I am looking for logical answers not "If you don't like it buy something else" it's not bringing much to the table.
Thats why i am getting the Iphone 6 over the Note 4, it'll be available sooner and i need a high end phone bad. Good thing is ill be able to sell the iphone 6 at a great price and pick up the note 4 when its out.
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Well duh.. Thanks for explaining that, I feel so enlightened now.
My point of this post is for debate as to why it happens. We the consumers are entitled to complain. I am looking for logical answers not "If you don't like it buy something else" it's not bringing much to the table.
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There is no answer other than that is how samsung chooses to do it.
Could they hold the announcement closer to the physical release? Yes, of course they could. They just prefer to do it this way, for whatever marketing reason.
If the marketing people thought it was strategic to announce closer to physical release, they would. But clearly they don't.
If Samsung "should" copy something apple does, its their method of announcing and SHIPPING a product very quickly post launch. That is their only major issue. Why allow other OEM's to get product out the door and lose sales and yes they do lose sales and now that apple is going big and bigger on their phones next week with a launch before the Note 4 hits stores that is a big deal and some would be Note 4 buyers will get a 5.5" iphone instead, (dumb move, but it's their choice).
I fully agree with the OP and carriers are very likely the issue. Negotiations would likely have been done already, in the US anyways its likely more about last minute bloatware and who has a "bigger" tower than anything else.
I blame Verizon, for everything lol.
Apple has more control over the carriers.
Apple has more control over the carriers and the supply chain, that is why their rollouts are quicker.
iPhone 6 on the 19th
I thought this thread would be exploding with comments about how Apple can do it in less than 2 weeks.
Anything over 30 days is crazy. The battery life on my Note 2 fading away, I've been eligible for an upgrade for months.
Now that I know the specifics of the Note 4 it has given my a chance to look at other phones S5, G3, M8 or wait for Nexus X.
The longer I wait the less likely that I'll make an 'impulse buy' I'm still excited about the Note 4 but I'm weighting the cost vs features.
What's up with the pre order pages on Samsung.com and Sprint.com? Did I actually pretty order or was it just an email notification? I didn't even receive an email confirmation.
When the JBL Legend CP100 it looked pretty great, but it seems like the release keeps getting pushed back. Did anyone pre-order?
I've got one on order, they say July 8th for mine now. Sucks to have to wait so long... hopefully it will be worth it!
When did you order it? I never actually ordered one, but have been looking at them online for some time. Seems to keep getting pushed back.
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I started watching the pre-order listing since February, the number of time the dates have pushed back is ridiculous. Either people are receiving it on those dates and the next batches are the later dates that are being updated, or JBL is having issues. I think it's the latter as I have not seen one video/picture of this device from a user and it just seems too good to be true honestly. I had so much hope for this, was making the space for it on my vehicle, but it hasn't released in the US or given an actual date since February, let alone wait for it here in the UK.
JBL has let me down, why bring a release date to consumers, if you can't meet the date.
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I've got one on order, they say July 8th for mine now. Sucks to have to wait so long... hopefully it will be worth it!
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August 8th now, I think XDA need to look into this once majestical, cheap and epic Android Auto device.
I feel like this will never get released.
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Probably the issues delaying the release are in the still malfunctioning Apple Carplay with the latest iPhones...
Crutchfield has this update on their review section:
Crutchfield first offered this item for pre-order in January of 2016 and we regret that we are still awaiting our first shipment. There have been delays getting the necessary certification from Apple for the CarPlay feature. As soon as we have firm shipping information, we will post an official Estimated Time of Arrival (ETA) for this radio. Thank you for your patience and understanding.
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-29l4i4KVOsR/p_109CP100/JBL-Legend-CP100.html
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Crutchfield has this update on their review section:
Crutchfield first offered this item for pre-order in January of 2016 and we regret that we are still awaiting our first shipment. There have been delays getting the necessary certification from Apple for the CarPlay feature. As soon as we have firm shipping information, we will post an official Estimated Time of Arrival (ETA) for this radio. Thank you for your patience and understanding.
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-29l4i4KVOsR/p_109CP100/JBL-Legend-CP100.html
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Yeah, even with that, the fact that they didn't update their customers who have pre-ordered with this information is just very poor. Either exclude Apple's certification and say we f'd up, here's Android Auto only for $25-50 less, for now. People would buy it in large numbers even without CarPlay. Until Apple gives a **** about us(JBL), not just their pocket, you'll have to wait for CarPlay.
Why can't companies behave like this, rather than bending over to these behemoth corporations. JBL should worry more about their reputation with their consumers than their relationship with Apple and so on.
Yup, I would have bought it if it was Android Auto only. Seems like they could just update the software later to include Apple Car Play.
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The CP100 page has actually been pulled down on the Crutchfield site. I spoke with a rep over there today and he said they won't be getting any until January 2017. I'm not in any huge rush to replace my headunit, so I'll probably wait it out.
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The CP100 page has actually been pulled down on the Crutchfield site. I spoke with a rep over there today and he said they won't be getting any until January 2017. I'm not in any huge rush to replace my headunit, so I'll probably wait it out.
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pushed back a full year is suspect, makes me think I was right when I said it is never coming out
I have one of these. It was in my 2017 Jayco Alante that I just took deliver of today. Not sure if it's a dealer issue or a software issue, but Android Auto doesn't work, and Bluetooth will only pair up for Phone, not Media. Trying to reach JBL for assistance.
Not sure there's a big need for a deck like this when Android Auto app gets updated to operate in standalone mode.
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Not sure there's a big need for a deck like this when Android Auto app gets updated to operate in standalone mode.
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For me, my HU is massively outdated (2005 Mazda, no BT, no Aux) and under-powered. I've thought about using a tablet in its place, but then I have to deal with tethering or getting another data plan. This headunit is nice because it's a large capacitive secreen for < $500 that hopefully does one thing well: mirror the functionality of your phone. There are other units for $650+, but all have features I don't need like built-in Nav and a DVD player.
That said, I just found out that the CP100 doesn't have any crossover functionality and the USB port only charges at 1A. That's two deal breakers for me.
Now the website is stating coming soon. They messed up big time basically, so you may as well start looking for alternatives.
I ordered the unit from our employee website in February. The shipping has been delayed four times, and as of yesterday the order has been canceled and they can't give me an estimated date when the radio will hit the market.
JBL is probably dead, but this Sony one looks similar:
http://www.sony.com/electronics/in-car-receivers-players/xav-ax100
JBL Legend CP100 actually exists!
Reviving an old thread..... JBL Legend CP100 is surprisingly in stock and shipping (from a few places). I ordered a unit from Crutchfield for $279 and installed it this weekend.
This model was delayed forever, I was surprised to see it listed for sale over Thanksgiving holiday. The unit I received has a manufacturing date of Feb 2016. This makes sense with the rumors that it was delayed due to AA or carplay certification.
Anyway, it works great so far (FM, BT, AA). Nice screen with good touch screen and quick response. Pleasntly simple UI. After installing it, I got a notification to update the software, but I can't even find a support page yet on JBL. Software version out of the box is 2.3.3.187.
i wonder how this compares to the Sony
I actually bought this unit from Crutchfield when it initially released! It's my first double-din unit and AA unit. So far, I'm liking it! It's a capacitive touchscreen and it runs without issue! Functionality is limited to phone, music, and navigation (which helps from distractions). The only thing that bothers me is the lack of an EQ on the AA side and the fact that the head unit had to be hooked up to a parking brake to set up AA from my phone.
Following hearing bad reviews (bad fittings etc.) about this one:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/253050877974
Can anyone recommend a good bumper for the 5T?
I currently have a full body Invisibleshield protector waiting to install and think it'd look great having a bumper for the drop protection.
I'm waiting for a Dbrand Grip. Won't be for a few months until they do a 5t one though.
None of the good companies are doing 5t cases /bumpers, because they got burned developing tooling for the 1+5 only for it to be replaced 5 months later by the 5t. Sucks.
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None of the good companies are doing 5t cases /bumpers, because they got burned developing tooling for the 1+5 only for it to be replaced 5 months later by the 5t. Sucks.
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And that trend will continue. OnePlus has already announced the 6 and the X2 for next year. They release models without giving them any time to breathe. Its sad but I've come to the conclusion accessory selection will suck for these device. If you want brand name accessories you need to buy a Samsung.
That being said custom ROM support and being able to unlock my phone is more important to me, so I guess as long as OnePlus continues to support the development community and keeps devices prices reasonable I'll continue to buy from them.
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And that trend will continue. OnePlus has already announced the 6 and the X2 for next year. They release models without giving them any time to breathe. Its sad but I've come to the conclusion accessory selection will suck for these device. If you want brand name accessories you need to buy a Samsung.
That being said custom ROM support and being able to unlock my phone is more important to me, so I guess as long as OnePlus continues to support the development community and keeps devices prices reasonable I'll continue to buy from them.
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Well said !
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And that trend will continue. OnePlus has already announced the 6 and the X2 for next year. They release models without giving them any time to breathe. Its sad but I've come to the conclusion accessory selection will suck for these device. If you want brand name accessories you need to buy a Samsung.
That being said custom ROM support and being able to unlock my phone is more important to me, so I guess as long as OnePlus continues to support the development community and keeps devices prices reasonable I'll continue to buy from them.
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Can you link the announcement for the X2? Can't seem to find it anywhere.
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Can you link the announcement for the X2? Can't seem to find it anywhere.
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I should clarify that, by saying the X2 was just rumors, and lots of sites were circulating these. However, last night OnePlus officially come out and deny these rumors. (My fault for not being entirely clear on that clear on that. My primary point was about the accessories.)
OnePlus quickly debunks bogus rumor of a OnePlus X successor
So maybe we just get a OnePlus 6 and 6T in 2018? As they can't seem to go more than 6 months without a new phone....
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I should clarify that, by saying the X2 was just rumors, and lots of sites were circulating these. However, last night OnePlus officially come out and deny these rumors. (My fault for not being entirely clear on that clear on that. My primary point was about the accessories.)
OnePlus quickly debunks bogus rumor of a OnePlus X successor
So maybe we just get a OnePlus 6 and 6T in 2018? As they can't seem to go more than 6 months without a new phone....
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6 months?
Oneplus 5 came out, quickly followed by limited edition version
Along came the Oneplus 5t, then star wars edition, then sandstone white, note red.
All in all, consecutive monthly releases since June.
Can't wait for the Oneplus 6!
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Hopefully rhinoshield bumper will be released for 5t
OhioYJ said:
I should clarify that, by saying the X2 was just rumors, and lots of sites were circulating these. However, last night OnePlus officially come out and deny these rumors. (My fault for not being entirely clear on that clear on that. My primary point was about the accessories.)
OnePlus quickly debunks bogus rumor of a OnePlus X successor
So maybe we just get a OnePlus 6 and 6T in 2018? As they can't seem to go more than 6 months without a new phone....
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Thanks for the clarification. I'm planning on keeping my 5T until after the whole in-display fingerprint sensor is through it's 1st run and we see how it works behind a tempered glass protector. An X2 would have been an interesting side device tho, as long as it was reasonably priced.
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Following hearing bad reviews (bad fittings etc.) about this one:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/253050877974
Can anyone recommend a good bumper for the 5T?
I currently have a full body Invisibleshield protector waiting to install and think it'd look great having a bumper for the drop protection.
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Did anyone find a bumper for the 5T?
How bad is the one from the link in the OP?
I'm about to install the Dbrand Camo skin and would feel more comfortable with a bumper on.
10 years ago HTC was a great company! Then after they reached great success, they started with range of dumb decisions. Today, nobody cares about HTC. Not sending phones any longer to developers, who are big part of this success story, is an arrogant and dumb OnePlus decision. In a long term, this will cost them way, way more, then what they'll save not shipping phones to developers. I hope I'm wrong.
Yesterday somebody said that those 20 smartphones they "giveaway" for developers is about 0,006% of total sales(3.000.000 so far) of the 6T so far. It's not. It's about 0,0006% of theyr sold phones.
For sure if it's true, I'll stop buying OP.
I doubt them stopping giving a few devices away is gonna harm them at all, Sure some devs will move to other brands but still OnePlus is shipping the sources fast and keeping the price cheaper than other devices, If all devs abandon them and the prices increase with more stupid decisions maybe the hype will die off.
Still their sales are increasing year on year so I doubt they'll flop like HTC did
guaranteed, this wont affect OnePlus's financial growth ONE BIT..
their success partnering with TMobile/Verizon, will boost their sales, and , I'm sure they couldn't care less about the 100 or the 1000 or even the 5000 people on XDA who wont buy their phones any more..
I think the price is the most appealing part of their devices. They could only fail if that changes, which I don't see. They will always undercut the Samsung's and Apples of the world.
yep, features/value for the buck, they are the current kings of that...that could change if they get too cocky/greedy, but if not, their growth will continue until someone comes out and knocks them out..
Not being root friendly was not the death of HTC. HTC would release 10 phones a year that were all the same, and then had weird advertising. Remember that pale-skinned red head that would say random things (I think it was for the Evo 3D)? Creepy. The Downey Jr ad campaign was entertaining at best, but mostly just weird. Then 3 years of the "ultra pixel" cameras when the entire market far surpassed HTC in the camera game. Plus, Samsung really stepped up their game, and Galaxy became a household name. Nexus phones came out, and became the go-to for the rom community. HTC became intertwined with Sprint, when everyone was leaving Sprint. WiMax? LOL
Now, not to say that OnePlus can't fail, but as long as they continue to make quality phones at great prices, they should continue to do well for quite some time. And with the love they have shown with software updates, it shows they stand behind their phones. If they stop becoming the value proposition, it will be easy for someone else to steal their market share.
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Not being root friendly was not the death of HTC. HTC would release 10 phones a year that were all the same, and then had weird advertising. Remember that pale-skinned red head that would say random things (I think it was for the Evo 3D)? Creepy. The Downey Jr ad campaign was entertaining at best, but mostly just weird. Then 3 years of the "ultra pixel" cameras when the entire market far surpassed HTC in the camera game. Plus, Samsung really stepped up their game, and Galaxy became a household name. Nexus phones came out, and became the go-to for the rom community. HTC became intertwined with Sprint, when everyone was leaving Sprint. WiMax? LOL
Now, not to say that OnePlus can't fail, but as long as they continue to make quality phones at great prices, they should continue to do well for quite some time. And with the love they have shown with software updates, it shows they stand behind their phones. If they stop becoming the value proposition, it will be easy for someone else to steal their market share.
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Well said :good:
They already start to be trash. Sending so much devices to YouTuber and stop sending few devices to developer is just a "why".
No 3.5mm anymore and already at 550€ (I can get s9+ for that price and for 600€ a Note 9).
The camera is still ~S7 and no dual speaker, no QI... I hope they will end like HTC.
OnePlus will restart seeding program per latest update. Anyway, no need to cut the program just to make it better.
Oneplus 6T is still a good choice for its value position. But agree, they put more focus on the Youtubers than developers, who can give them useful support and tech suggestion.
Not sure which way, but its not the same anymore.