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Hi, I have had a Samsung Galaxy S for about a month, it's my first Android phone and things had been going reasonably well until yesterday. I was messing about with a little drawing app when the phone locked up and a few seconds later the screen went blank. After about another 10 seconds it came back on and was on the unlock screen. I don't think it went through the normal boot animation though.
I started using it again and about 30 seconds later it crashed in the same way but this time I was on the home screen with no third party apps running. I have used it since and it has so far been OK but I am a little wary.
How common is this kind of thing? I wasn't expecting this kind of thing from Android since it is effectively Linux. I mean even Windows Mobile didn't do this to me. Basically I'm just concerned in case there is a hardware fault.
The phone is running the original firmware with only a handful of third party apps, none of which run at startup.
you forgot to mention the model number and the ROM version that you are running.
there are some similar issues reported by other people regarding the band selection bug.
but it's seems to work better with newer firmwares
there's a sticky about it, not sure if your case is exactly the same or not
So I didn't expect it to have the greatest battery life in the world. I'm coming from a Nexus 7 2013 edition (just wanted something cheap to carry around -- I'd be very upset if my Nexus 7 was dropped and broken or stolen in public whereas this $30 tablet won't exactly cause me to lose any sleep if it does, but I need to be able to read and otherwise pass breaktime at work) so I'm used to it lasting almost a week on a full charge since all I do is simple stuff like reading with a relatively low backlight even. I noticed my new Fire 7 is going down so much faster that it will surely be a problem (I guess 20-30% a day?) Now, of course, the Nexus 7 has a significantly larger battery. However, its ~5-7% compared to this thing's ~20-30% is not to scale. One big difference though is the Nexus 7 gets to run a clean LineageOS setup with a rooted Greenify (actually I have Xposed, but lately the module doesn't work without explanation. That's an issue for another time though.) The battery is purportedly a 2980mAh versus the 3950mAh in the Nexus 7, so at 75% the capacity I wouldn't expect it to get 1/4th the run time. I'm hoping Greenify can help. Unfortunately, Greenify is not working at all.
Firstly it seems you must manually grant a bunch of permissions for certain things. During initial setup it tells you to grant one and sends you to the settings, but it doesn't send you to whichever part of the settings it actually means for you to change. (I'm guessing something that isn't present on this thing's modified non-standard system settings app.) Now, they give you instructions on how to manually grant certain permissions via adb, but it doesn't mention that particular permission. It seems also that the accessibility service that it uses for hibernating isn't actually working because it pops up a message. However, that could be related to the more serious problem at hand: it doesn't work at all. When I press the hibernate button, it does nothing. Literally nothing. (Which makes me wonder if it's just saying that because of its failure when it tries to automatically hibernate.) Without root access obviously it is much more limited in what it can do, but it should still do something. The guide only has you grant DUMP, READ_LOGS, and WRITE_SECURE_SETTINGS. These are intended for features like accurate app state detection rather than basic operation though. I have no idea what it wants on initial setup since it's not specific at all.
Actually, I think it's not actually granting the permissions at all in the first place. I manually grant those three via adb as it says and pm doesn't say anything back. Regardless, Greenify is unable to do anything at all -- it never hibernates any apps even when run manually. I'm not sure how effective it will be without root, but I'd still like to get it working if at all possible. Still, it officially supports rootless systems, so I don't really understand why it's unable to do anything at all. Even the most basic functionality should work at least (though if it only acts as a task killer it may do more harm than good. Hard to say since I can't even get it to do that much even.)
Any idea what I'm missing?
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So I didn't expect it to have the greatest battery life in the world. I'm coming from a Nexus 7 2013 edition (just wanted something cheap to carry around -- I'd be very upset if my Nexus 7 was dropped and broken or stolen in public whereas this $30 tablet won't exactly cause me to lose any sleep if it does, but I need to be able to read and otherwise pass breaktime at work) so I'm used to it lasting almost a week on a full charge since all I do is simple stuff like reading with a relatively low backlight even. I noticed my new Fire 7 is going down so much faster that it will surely be a problem (I guess 20-30% a day?) Now, of course, the Nexus 7 has a significantly larger battery. However, its ~5-7% compared to this thing's ~20-30% is not to scale. One big difference though is the Nexus 7 gets to run a clean LineageOS setup with a rooted Greenify (actually I have Xposed, but lately the module doesn't work without explanation. That's an issue for another time though.) The battery is purportedly a 2980mAh versus the 3950mAh in the Nexus 7, so at 75% the capacity I wouldn't expect it to get 1/4th the run time. I'm hoping Greenify can help. Unfortunately, Greenify is not working at all.
Firstly it seems you must manually grant a bunch of permissions for certain things. During initial setup it tells you to grant one and sends you to the settings, but it doesn't send you to whichever part of the settings it actually means for you to change. (I'm guessing something that isn't present on this thing's modified non-standard system settings app.) Now, they give you instructions on how to manually grant certain permissions via adb, but it doesn't mention that particular permission. It seems also that the accessibility service that it uses for hibernating isn't actually working because it pops up a message. However, that could be related to the more serious problem at hand: it doesn't work at all. When I press the hibernate button, it does nothing. Literally nothing. (Which makes me wonder if it's just saying that because of its failure when it tries to automatically hibernate.) Without root access obviously it is much more limited in what it can do, but it should still do something. The guide only has you grant DUMP, READ_LOGS, and WRITE_SECURE_SETTINGS. These are intended for features like accurate app state detection rather than basic operation though. I have no idea what it wants on initial setup since it's not specific at all.
Actually, I think it's not actually granting the permissions at all in the first place. I manually grant those three via adb as it says and pm doesn't say anything back. Regardless, Greenify is unable to do anything at all -- it never hibernates any apps even when run manually. I'm not sure how effective it will be without root, but I'd still like to get it working if at all possible. Still, it officially supports rootless systems, so I don't really understand why it's unable to do anything at all. Even the most basic functionality should work at least (though if it only acts as a task killer it may do more harm than good. Hard to say since I can't even get it to do that much even.)
Any idea what I'm missing?
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in my experience, Greenify doesn't work too well with these tablets. If you are on 5.4.0.1 or later, I would try Brevent.
I'm on 5.4.0.0. Given how much more restrictive 5.4.0.1+ is I've removed the OTA update apps so it won't go up.
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I'm on 5.4.0.0. Given how much more restrictive 5.4.0.1+ is I've removed the OTA update apps so it won't go up.
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Just a note: on the 7 tablets, you can downgrade from 5.4.0.1 back to 5.4.0.0.
I know that. So?
I have to ask this. I needed a new phone a month ago, and I chose to wait for this one instead of getting a Note 9, and now I still don't have a usable phone and have less than 20 days to return this one. When I did my research about my next phone I was told that Sony phones are developer-friendly and tend to have a clean Android experience, on top of that, this phone has a 3.5mm jack with a great DAC. Now I come to find out that not only does this phone come with bloatware/spyware, even though you can root it, in Android 10, OEMs have the system locked down as read-only, and while Magik can gimmick /system to remove apps, there is no way to delete apps installed in /oem.
Placing apps in a directory that is impossible to change is inexcusable, especially when they are:
1) A game no one wanted which will be irrelevant in 6 months
2) A FREE TRIAL APP
3) A social media application not everyone uses
It isn't by mistake that Sony did this, and it tells me that the pittance they get from Activision, Jay Z, and Microsoft matters more to them than I do as a customer. Some will say that it is possible to simply de-activate the apps, at least unlike Facebook, there are no background services still running and collecting your data, but I say that is irrelevant. I own my phone; I should be able to control what's on it.
I was still running Android 8 on my One Plus 3T that recently died, so I'm not familiar with how Android works today. We went from simple to hard, to harder. There is A/B, no more stock recovery, and apparently fastboot is dead and is replaced by a blank bootloader flash mode that only lets you know you are in it with a tiny blue LED? I don't know how viable TRWP and Linage are on a phone like this, which is why I am asking. There is only one thing I know for sure right now: I don't have much time to wait for custom ROMs built from the ground up to develop and mature.
You can disable verity and delete them. However, even if you could remove them, they'll just keep coming back with updates. Just disable them and move on with life.
LineageOS is pointless because you're going to lose the Sony camera. Why spend $1,200 if you're going to do that? At that point, just get a Pixel 4a for $350.
Some will say that it is possible to simply de-activate the apps, at least unlike Facebook, there are no background services still running and collecting your data, but I say that is irrelevant. I own my phone; I should be able to control what's on it.
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You totally can. Again, this is about dm-verity, which most custom roms disable and spoof to appear enabled. However, if you're gonna do this on the official rom, it'll be your job to pretty much delete every single piece of bloatware every time you update your phone. It's much easier to simply disable the packages because the disable setting is retained through updates.
There is A/B, no more stock recovery
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Welcome to pretty much every single device since Pixel 3. This is a Google thing, and has nothing to do with Sony.
apparently fastboot is dead and is replaced by a blank bootloader flash mode that only lets you know you are in it with a tiny blue LED?
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Okay, I'll give you this one. Sony did a piss-poor job here. It took me several hours to figure out that:
Vol. Up + Insert USB cable = blue led = fast boot, for which you need to manually install the Google fastboot driver.
Vol. Down + Insert USB cable = green led = download mode, for NewFlasher flashing.
The only indicator is the blue/green LED, which indicates the various modes.
For future reference, I flashed the RU region firmware and it only came with 1 bloatware: Yandex. Best thing about it is, you can uninstall Yandex. So basically I have the 1 II without bloatware! (Except Facebook, but I use it anyway)
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You can disable verify and delete them. However, even if you could remove them, they'll just keep coming back with updates. Just disable them and move on with life.
LineageOS is pointless because you're going to lose the Sony camera. Why spend $1,200 if you're going to do that? At that point, just get a Pixel 4a for $350.
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First of, thanks for being cool with your response
Second, I bought this phone for a few reasons, and the camera isn't one of them. For any given phone I want:
1) For it to be unlockable so I can install whatever recovery/kernel/OS I want on it. There aren't many phones like that anymore, at least not in the US.
2) Hardware that will last me at least four years.
3) A 3.5mm headphone Jack with a good DAC.
4) A good, large, color-accurate display.
5) Fingerprint reader.
5) Expendable storage (or a LOT of onboard storage and OTG as a compromise).
I have been using the menu button on the left and back button on the right for eight years now, and I can't fix that on this phone
You totally can. Again, this is about dm-verity, which most custom roms disable and spoof to appear enabled. However, if you're gonna do this on the official rom, it'll be your job to pretty much delete every single piece of bloatware every time you update your phone. It's much easier to simply disable the packages because the disable setting is retained through updates.
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Honestly, the only updates I care about are security updates. If we get lineage or some other mature ROM that can do most of what I want, I'll ditch stock., I only need stock for now. If I do end up updating stock and getting those apps back, I don't mind spending another 5 minutes removing them after the update. I don't like disabled apps for three reasons:
1) If it doesn't disable background services. If you just disable Facebook, Facebook's other services will still keep tracking you and selling your personal information.
2) They still appear in the app menus and stuff, which I hate. It pisses me off seeing COD and a TRIAL for something I'll never, ever, use.
3) I am 99.9% some vulnerability can't exploit them, but I can be 100% sure if they aren't there.
As for why this is all the way it is, I did learn after the fact that it is mostly Google's BS and not Sony. Still, it sucks. I hope I can maybe flash DM variety and disable it on stock.
If I can disable DM variety I'm keeping the phone. If I can't and it doesn't seem like we'll get TWRP and Lineage then I guess I'm getting an Exynos Note 9. I really don't want to though, but those OEM apps WILL haunt me every time I use my phone, touch my phone, think about my phone, or am otherwise reminded I own this phone. Maybe I'm crazy, but that's irrelevant, because that's how it is.
I tried to flash dm variety and disable verification, etc, and it didn't unlock the system, so until TRWP comes to Android 10, it looks like stock in the US is out.
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For future reference, I flashed the RU region firmware and it only came with 1 bloatware: Yandex. Best thing about it is, you can uninstall Yandex. So basically I have the 1 II without bloatware! (Except Facebook, but I use it anyway)
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You are a god. I looked at the Russian firmware and it doesn't look like it's been dirtied by crazy Putin. You can systemlessy remove all the apps you don't want. I got Magisk and Xposed working on it. I also have 4G on t-mobile, and it lists 5GNR as an option, which the US version did not. To note, I do not have VoLTE or Wifi Calling (not that I care).
I'm going to try and flash the HK dual sim variant just to see if I can unlock the mythical sex sim slot, and also if also fits the bill. I realized that to test dual sim you need a dual sim tray. There is no way to get the Q51 tray to work for this. It doesn't seem that people are selling replacement parts for this phone yet, so right now I can't buy a Q2 tray to test it. I'll circle back around to this in a few months when it becomes time to flip the phone for a Q2, just to see if maybe I don't have to do that.
Thanks everyone for the replies. We could maybe use this as a general TRWP/LineageOS update thread, though I suspect someone will make a new thread as those pass certain milestones.
Since the update to Android 12/OneUI4 my S22U has on at least 4 occasions gone into a full hard lockup / non-responsive and needed to be hard-rebooted and has been so laggy / bad battery etc
Anyone had a better time of 12 by doing a clean install without backup ..... it's a total pain to have to do this without using a backup and will require many hours of faffing around with both personal stuff and Knoxx (my employers BYOD solution)
Has anyone done a clean start and found less issues -- i know OnePlus had a load of issues with their upgrade so it seems upgrades aren't amazing this time around)
I did a clean install of Android 12 (factory reset, no reinstall of apps from backup) and have had no issues whatsoever.
I installed subsequent updates of A12 without reset.
Yeah ... my phone completely locked up when i hit "hang up" on a phone call .... the line didn't disconnect, the screen went weird, pressing the power key just opened the camera and no matter what it just didn't respond ... Same thing has happened now several times along with suddenly the phone going down to around 15-20 fps even in the user interface for about 10 minutes before seeming to recover
A factory reset is in order after a major OTA firmware upgrade.
It may fix it but there seems to be many issues with this upgrade. Scoped storage is fully enforced and not compatible with many older apps. It's also eats cpu cycles and slows the device when it's active.
SmartSwitch may or may not work. It sometimes creates conflicts by importing erroneous settings for the new OS or device. Sometimes it does work fine. I inadvertently used it to backup apps while transferring homepage settings from Android 9 to 10 on my second N10+, it worked perfectly.
Never rely on it alone to backup critical data!!!
I got to tell you something....
Since few years, my huawei follows me everywhere ; a P8 Lite given here or there, few years ago ; replacing my old S3 mini (L8190). From his scene or commercial name P8 Lite, or his full name ALE (for ‘Alice’) L21, released in 2015, unlike his older brother, the P8 Lite Prague, released two or three years later, with many differences.
That P8 Lite brought me several issues : touch screen going litterally in failure when the temperature goes over twenty degrees celcius, very fast, then I adopted my first decision from a long serie of precautions a bit abnormal or totally uncommon, regarding a smartphone owner.
Do you remember in James Bond, the scene of Roger Moore, using a camera to aime the necklage of his secretary (in the presence of Q), enjoying to zoom-in, zoom-out on the top of her clothes ? Well, replace the erotism by a screenlock of the huawei, and increase the zoom speed by x1000, and you will have the effect of a huawei in ‘normal/common’ situation, just after being stored in the twenty or thirty degrees celcius of a pocket, in a beautiful summer. Yess ! The screen works very well ; but for the touchscreen, it’s totally f**ked up : this is the first disapointment. The touchscreen is the culprit, to be activated everytime (like if fingers where active on it), even if.. nothing touches the phone. I did a video posted on xda, for the most curious...
For the touchscreen issue while overheating, the only way I found was to remove the rear plastic at the back of the phone itself : it let the electronic chip and battery directly like sticked to the silicon case. I didnt found anything better, but it’s still better than salvage restart the phone, and wait five long minutes (android 6) to get system started and ready.
But the one of my permanently abandon of playstore, and his 500MB demanded to install a 10MB (!!) app, will make me definitely leave google services, on daily life. Wah ! Im among the lefters of gafamnt. Well, it’s okay for me (even better) Going to Lineage (with ggleapps, then, ouf ! Without..) will not bring only better experience, at least not that one..
Since 2020 and the crisis, I start to study with high motivation the mobiles cellphones world : arm plateforms, xda forum (highly better than frenchs ones), theorical lessons and learning, so. Practical side, too : the recovery mode, twrp, then lienage, his ancester cyanogen, etc.. It will take me about a year to be skilled and well understand, at least the advanced/intermediaite level, to understand those devices. But in the meantime, with lienageos, others problems came..the PINlock keyboard, whom freezes one time over ten under lineage, : you ush on the touch of the keyboard to type the code, but it stays as an "animated pushed touch", an nothing reacts anymore on the screen. At all. It will come to my bigger misadventure..
Just to be more accurate : a year after ,I use lienage 14, perfect release for this device : not too recent, so it's not running slow, but not too old, so all my favourites apps runs well. And I use the encryption feature, only available on lineageos (never stock rom, imho), who doesnt permits to the little smartass whom could steal my phone, to do not siphon all my data using the recovery/twrp, whom doesnt care about pin at android lock screen, but not in case of.... encryption. Wise precaution, logical, in 2022, after this rase awareness about cyberdefence, crowned by the symbolic pegasus affair. Last information : my phone is powered off every evening, powered up every morning, since my first smartphone (iphone), and I always did like this ; it's a kind of prudence I have, my alarm clock has always been (and will ever be) on a second classic plastic phone, like old 3310 : two months of autonomy, that's something.
So after those "one more thing" information, the following is more.. crusty.
So in beginning of 2023, after had let my next phone few days away, the time of the official of lineageos 20 ,aka android 13, from AOSP (I didnt wanted to use it immediately, to avoid the export/import data with a clean install of lineageos 20), because it was supposed to be released in 2023, jan or feb (it has been the case, but not official yet)
In january 2023, two weeks before this misadventure happened, I took the precaution to export and import those data to my new smartphone : not with success, some setings where proper to the lineageos 14 release, and failed. As a good half-nerd, I procrastinate. Yes, that happens.
Until that day of January, Im outside, trying to take a picture... a long path of issues, a long descend to technology hell... I get out my phone. I make swiping from right to left, to hand the photo recorder app, as the feature allows it. The bug allows also that the screen makes a little "flash" on a blank screen for few seconds, before going back to suspend ; Im thinking that it happens, it will be better by unlocking manually the phone by pin, then taking the camera app, basta.
Im wrong : I try to unlock the phone, Bim! keyboard bug. Not any key works. Nothing else to do than restart, because the phone is in the coma, means doesnt reacts anymore. Only solution regarding keyboard bug. But I refuse to let it like that, to drain the battery while cant do anyhing with the phone. I start to push ten seconds on the power button, to do a salvage reboot.
Then Bim! (bis) : nothing. Nothing happens, I figured out few days ago, with the volume up/down buttons, that power button too had a little problem. To make it working, it's necessary to push a bit on the side of the phone, at the buttons level. Few days ago, it was working. Here, zero, nada, more than twenty minutes to make it react, that power button wants to stay in the coma, a bit like the keyboard. After half an hour, my patiency is almost to throw the phone to a bloc of concrete not far of here. But I dont, regrets will come then, per thousand. So I let things like this, at that time. I will handle that problem at home.
I come back home. I finally made the powerbutton pushing : I ask it to poweroff. New bug, it happens sometimes : the "powering off" popup shows, but undefinitely. It happens sometimes. But was solved by ten seconds on the power button. I finally connect it to USB, do a "adb rebootbootloader". Im thinking by restarting it, it will make his memory in a better way. I wasnt expecting being taken by the word.
All users of lienageos whom knows the encypted lock screen at the very beginning of lienage/android starting (even, before it), knows well the thing : impossible to do anything (excepted maybe emergency calls) when the encrypted pin lock code is not entered. A little soft "ring" reminds it to you, every five or ten seconds, after five minutes of inactivity.
So I did the adb thing to reboot the device. You see where Im trying to go? When command is validated, the device immediately restarts ; due to an emotionnal precaution, and also because this device is tiring me a lot, I let it at the top of a little furniture, with the idea it will let it being forgotten for the rest of the evening. That dumb electronic device took it at the accurate word :
between the tea and a little part of reading, my brainds remind me something : this dummby of huawei didnt asked me yet the encryped lock code, with this little ringer, whom never stops until correct code is entered.
Very surprising.. after few moments. Im really worried, after long minutes of waiting.. Why doesnt it screams at me to get this code, to permit it to start android?
Im going close of the device.. Horror! I see the assistant of first lienageos installation. That thing totally forgotten all the data !
After few hours, I calculate my losses :
two weeks of precious exchanges of sms/calls, with numbers for some of them, I will have difficulties to retrieve them..
signal, telegram and jabber (conversations/quicksy), are just definitely gone. the only rescued data? it's the backup made two weeks ago. It permits me to retrieve some data ; but not from isntant messaging, forever gone.. RIP, and without me, huawei.
Since that day, I do everything I could to get my data backed up withing the 24hrs : cloud (EU) storage, daily SMS backup, and especially I limit the number of used apps, to avoid future problems. I remember my maxim : the phone is the second object the most volatile of daily life, just after the home/car keys! And I dont even talk about the drained battery, the bugged operating system whom doesnt starts, nor the forgotten or stolen device.. A long quest to secure my data, starting by the crédo of backups : 3, 2, 1...
Laureates for photos backups would be pcloud, koofr and jottacloud, whom permitted my to find back photos from last hours (and mms received) before the drama. For the rest, memory will be honoured by that essay.
I never use banking application. Cause I disagree of linking a extremely volatile device with money
I use wifi when available, cellular data about less than an hour a day (or even quart of hour per day).
I manually switch it off/on. Cellular/mobile data eats a LOT of battery/energy (battery capacity
divided by 3 minimum)
I use :
newpipe (for yt) / maps.me (for offline maps) / vlc / qksms / fdroid/aurora / carnet / muzei / pdf-
epub reader / davx2 / foldersync / smsbackup&restorek9mail/fairemail / protonmail/vpn
firefox focus / firefox / fennec / torbrowser
linphone / conversations/quicksy (snikket/siskin for ios) / signal/telegram
nextcloud/pcloud/koofr/jottacloud
I do not have, and will never have google apps again (I never use ggle services – at all)
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