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Has anyone reading this ever compared the HTC 10 to either the Sony Xperia X Performance (XP) or the newer Xperia XZ with regards to headphone quality? (Note: The XP & XZ use the SAME audio technology from what I've read/heard).
If so, please tell me about your experience here. Please provide as many details as possible............like what headphones did you use, what genre of music and type of quality (mp3, CD-Quality, Hi-Res, DSD, etc) was selected. Did you use an amp/DAC device in between them (I'm hoping not only b/c that wouldn't tell me which phone was better lol)? When comparing, which one sounded clearer? Had the wider/more expansive soundstage? Handled instrument separation the best? Won out on bass, mids, and highs/treble rendering?? Etc.
I know the 10 will get louder than the XP/XZ b/c of what I've seen in comparisons done by professional reviewers, with the 10 showing to have a higher output voltage. But volume is just ONE component.
I look forward to hearing from you all!
Have not tried the HTC but I use Devon audiophile headphones and sennheiser in ears... Which are the ones in the high end.
The sound is good compared to my old z3 and Samsung s5.
Clean and well balanced sound with nice punch
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HellRoot said:
Have not tried the HTC but I use Devon audiophile headphones and sennheiser in ears... Which are the ones in the high end.
The sound is good compared to my old z3 and Samsung s5.
Clean and well balanced sound with nice punch
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Hey Hell,
Wait, which phone are you talking about? You said sound is good compared to Z3 and S5. Sound of what? lol
I really just want people to tell me if they've compared the 2 together, or at least within the same month or so. It seems like HTC 10's audio may be the better of two, but not sure. The 10 seems to get more praise on headphone audio than the XP or XZ do, but I'd like "regular people's" opinions too.
RockStar2005 said:
Hey Hell,
Wait, which phone are you talking about? You said sound is good compared to Z3 and S5. Sound of what? lol
I really just want people to tell me if they've compared the 2 together, or at least within the same month or so. It seems like HTC 10's audio may be the better of two, but not sure. The 10 seems to get more praise on headphone audio than the XP or XZ do, but I'd like "regular people's" opinions too.
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Hey RockStar
I have the xp and the sound quality is fine. I don't know whether the HTC can play dsd but the xp does it very well.
I just made a comparison from which phones I have tried, as I dont have the HTC ?
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Hey RockStar
I have the xp and the sound quality is fine. I don't know whether the HTC can play dsd but the xp does it very well.
I just made a comparison from which phones I have tried, as I dont have the HTC
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Hey HellRoot,
I have it too and agree, though I really haven't tested it on headphones just on car speakers. On headphones I use a premium & portable in-between amp/DAC device. The Z3 has very good sound but I would say it was at the $200 level vs. amp/DAC or players at that price. When I went up to $300 with the Sony Walkman A17, I felt it was superior to the Z3's sound. So now I don't use the phone anymore on headphones, but these newer phones by LG like the V10 and V20 and also the HTC 10 are getting a high level of praise for their headphone sound quality that I've not seen given to Sony's Xperia phones ever. It just makes me wonder. I'm pretty sure the HTC 10 could match my Oppo device (see link) based on what I've read about it on here. One guy even said he liked it more than the might LG V10's sound overall, and that uses the same DAC as my HA-2 (that link is for HA-2SE, which is slighly newer, but looks the same). Of course, it's not JUST about the DAC, but still. lol
Also, the battery life on the new X series Xperia phones no longer can offer a 2-day battery life, which was standard in the past. IMHO, the 2-day battery life DIED with the Z series. Even on the Sony Mobile site the 2-day battery life selling point has mysteriously vanished from the site on those new phones like our XP. My XP can BARELY make it through one day if I start early enough, and that's WITH Stamina Mode being activated. I'm happy that the camera's improved though, but the cutbacks in battery life & audio quality (having a dedicated DAC with questionable quality and an integrated amp vs. HTC 10's dedicated DAC AND dedicated headphone amp ((dedicated is always better than integrated))) makes me question my purchase a bit. There are still pros to the XP vs. 10, like camera and waterproofing, but HTC has caught up A LOT with the 10 and so I wonder if the 11 will finally make them kings again?
It's the little things too. HTC took the time and cared enough about their customers to get VoLTE (including HD Voice) and Wi-Fi Calling certified with T-Mobile, who is my carrier, on their unlocked phones. Did Sony Mobile bother to do that? Hell no! lol
Battery life is a big deal to me, so where 2 years ago I chose the Z3 over my former One M8, I wonder if in 2017 I may very well go back to HTC? We will see. lol If HTC takes their front fingerprint sensor and integrates it INTO the side Power button the way Sony did, and brings their bottom stereo speaker back to the bottom front where it belongs, that choice will be even MORE difficult to make.
Howdy.
I have the XP and the M9 and I miss the volume of the M9 compared to the XP. I mainly listen to music from my phone when I'm in the car, streaming from [email protected] On the M9 I usually had the volume on the stereo set to 30-35 for LOUD, but on the XP, I'm up to 40 to get the basic kick. I can still hear myself talk and that tells me that the volume is too low.
I'm seriously thinking of getting the HTC 10 as there are numerous issues with my XP, as can be seen on different threads here on XDA and on the Sony forums as well. I'm not happy with this phone and I miss HTC
Cheers.
kekePower
kekePower_ said:
Howdy.
I have the XP and the M9 and I miss the volume of the M9 compared to the XP. I mainly listen to music from my phone when I'm in the car, streaming from [email protected] On the M9 I usually had the volume on the stereo set to 30-35 for LOUD, but on the XP, I'm up to 40 to get the basic kick. I can still hear myself talk and that tells me that the volume is too low.
I'm seriously thinking of getting the HTC 10 as there are numerous issues with my XP, as can be seen on different threads here on XDA and on the Sony forums as well. I'm not happy with this phone and I miss HTC
Cheers.
kekePower
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Hi keke,
Thanks for posting your opinion. Even though your post was on the M9 and not the 10, I still agree that based on what I'd read, the HTC flagship phones have been and still do get louder than the Xperia phones can. For me it's a concern on headphones b/c I don't want it DEAFENINGLY loud, but loud enough when I need it. So I feel ya there.
Well even though it's off-topic, what are the issues you're having with the XP? Lemme know.
Perhaps then you should just get the HTC 10? It is currently on sale for $150 off if you buy it from the HTC.com site by Monday 8:59PM PST. 3 out of the 4 colors are available to buy now; the 4th being Topaz Gold, but since the Camellia Red was not in stock either until today, there's a chance they may get more before the sale ends. But if you wanted a different color, then there's nothing stopping you. (Note: Red and Gold are only available if you buy the unlocked version, which IS certified for VoLTE ((including HD Voice) and Wi-Fi Calling with T-Mobile, which is my carrier. I'd only get the unlocked one because it offers faster updates than the carrier ones will.) You can buy it and pay it off at checkout, or click on "PayPal Credit" in checkout to get 6 mos to pay it off interest-free (after quick credit check). Buying it from the site gets you that 1-year Uh-Oh Protection too. After that if you wanna keep it longer, look into private phone insurance like I got for my int'l XP through either Square Trade or the one I chose, Worth Ave. Group.
Hi
I've compared xp to x and z3 and really xp has the best source hardware I've ever heard from phone - I'm a little bit na audiophile and I have few mobile and home DAC/amp's. So the xp has almost identical sound characteristic compared to HEGEL SUPER (with in-ear headphones you cannot hear any differences)
-tested with hifiman songbird, sennheiser momentum iem, apple iem, and many other $100 pricetag iems
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RockStar2005 said:
Hi keke,
Thanks for posting your opinion. Even though your post was on the M9 and not the 10, I still agree that based on what I'd read, the HTC flagship phones have been and still do get louder than the Xperia phones can. For me it's a concern on headphones b/c I don't want it DEAFENINGLY loud, but loud enough when I need it. So I feel ya there.
Well even though it's off-topic, what are the issues you're having with the XP? Lemme know.
Perhaps then you should just get the HTC 10? It is currently on sale for $150 off if you buy it from the HTC.com site by Monday 8:59PM PST. 3 out of the 4 colors are available to buy now; the 4th being Topaz Gold, but since the Camellia Red was not in stock either until today, there's a chance they may get more before the sale ends. But if you wanted a different color, then there's nothing stopping you. (Note: Red and Gold are only available if you buy the unlocked version, which IS certified for VoLTE ((including HD Voice) and Wi-Fi Calling with T-Mobile, which is my carrier. I'd only get the unlocked one because it offers faster updates than the carrier ones will.) You can buy it and pay it off at checkout, or click on "PayPal Credit" in checkout to get 6 mos to pay it off interest-free (after quick credit check). Buying it from the site gets you that 1-year Uh-Oh Protection too. After that if you wanna keep it longer, look into private phone insurance like I got for my int'l XP through either Square Trade or the one I chose, Worth Ave. Group.
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hey dude
sorry for offtopic
but I'm so not happy with xp hardware and software :
horrible soft: strange bahavior of ear distance sensor, rotate sensor and some few other issues
hardware: vibration engine is very loud (when vibrate mode is on its so loud that it cannot be discrete) and ****ty back panel painting/cating - I'm carying mine xp in oryginal sony "invisible back cover" and when something get beside phone and cover - it makes white-ish marks
AND little dot/tints on display (not very big but they are there!!!)
I'm feel cheeted by sony paying full price in sony centre for xp when they lounching 3 months later XZ model cheeper with on-ear headphones
shame for sony - I had all flagships since xperia S and I'm so so close to leave sony!!!
espe0 said:
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I've compared xp to x and z3 and really xp has the best source hardware I've ever heard from phone - I'm a little bit na audiophile and I have few mobile and home DAC/amp's. So the xp has almost identical sound characteristic compared to HEGEL SUPER (with in-ear headphones you cannot hear any differences)
-tested with hifiman songbird, sennheiser momentum iem, apple iem, and many other $100 pricetag iems
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hey dude
sorry for offtopic
but I'm so not happy with xp hardware and software :
horrible soft: strange bahavior of ear distance sensor, rotate sensor and some few other issues
hardware: vibration engine is very loud (when vibrate mode is on its so loud that it cannot be discrete) and ****ty back panel painting/cating - I'm carying mine xp in oryginal sony "invisible back cover" and when something get beside phone and cover - it makes white-ish marks
AND little dot/tints on display (not very big but they are there!!!)
I'm feel cheeted by sony paying full price in sony centre for xp when they lounching 3 months later XZ model cheeper with on-ear headphones
shame for sony - I had all flagships since xperia S and I'm so so close to leave sony!!!
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I very much agree on this.
The xz was a better buy, they did not behave like gentlemen with this phone
The tiny dots..they are in all pixels? As I have that... But no other have confirmed this...
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hi espe,
Thank you for your post!
I see. Yes I myself use the Oppo HA-2 as my mobile amp/DAC currently, and love what it does to the sound. I'm hoping to one day just have a phone like the HTC 10 or LG V10 (or V20, which my cousin just got and said sounds AMAZING vs. his former Note 7) where I won't NEED an amp/DAC anymore. I think your take on the XP/X/Z3 comparison is a good one. I myself feel like Sony, in comparison with their competition, have slipped back a notch or two compared to where they were 2 years ago. 2 years ago, the HTC One M8 (which I used to have right before I got my old Z3) was great sounding, but I don't know if it had the sheer weight & power vs. the competition at the time as HTC does now with the 10 over the competition of today. 2 years ago, LG's phones' audio quality was considered a big joke, even worse than Samsung's according to some credible people. Then last year they came out with the V10 and just now V20, and they both are considered OUTSTANDING! So I think that even though the XP may sound better than the Z3 (I honestly do believe you on that front), they still aren't "on top" anymore like they were 2 years ago.
I remember I'd bought the $200 iBasso DX50 and compared it to my Z3 at the time. Amazingly, I could hear no difference in sound quality. That was kind of a shock to me, but an impressive one in Sony's favor. I then returned the DX50 and bought the $300 Sony Walkman A17. It was only THEN that I could hear a difference in quality in favor of the Walkman. But wow, $300! I can't say 100% for sure, but I'm prob 98-99% sure that the V10, V20, and HTC 10 all sound as good as my Walkman did, if not better? 2 years ago I never read any reviews (or AS many) that had such a POSITIVE reaction to the sound quality of any smartphone like I do now for HTC & LG. Even the Z3 I don't remember creating such a buzz, and Sony was even at the time promoting "Hi-Res" very much so. Now maybe because they did that it just took time for most reviewers to notice, but that's a big "maybe". I think it's more likely based on what I've read about the 10's audio prowess and even V10 & V20's that simply put, the bar has been raised significantly, and not by Sony. I even created not one but two threads on the Hi-Fi site "Head-Fi.com" about this topic. Feel free to read and comment on them if you wish.
I tend to stay away from earphones myself as I am not convinced they can offer the same "big sound" that headphones can. I used to have a $30 pair of V-Moda earphones and thought I was cool. My, how times have changed since 2 years ago. lol After loving the incredible $150-$200 AKG K550 (over several other more expensive headphones) for a long time, I just recently switched to the slightly better/clearer/more portable $299 Bang & Olufsen 2nd Generation H6 headphones. If you're looking for headphones within the under $500 range, I could not suggest any better options than the K550/K550 MK II (same sound signature) or the 2nd Gen H6. They both wipe the FLOOR with even some popular $400 headphones.
Not sure on the first several issues you mentioned, aside from the auto-rotate issue I've been having since that last mini update. I read through 2 different threads on here about it, but there doesn't seem to be a fix yet. I'm HOPING that the Nougat update we're ALL about to get on our XPs literally any day now will include a fix for that. It is annoying b/c once it kicks in after a restart (normally within a day or less), you can't make any pics or videos fullscreen without a reboot, and it ALSO messes with Smart Call Handling too. But wait, you see dots/tints on the display? Sounds to me like you may have gotten a faulty phone. I already returned my first XP b/c it was overheating BIG time, and another issue too I think was occurring on it. My newer one works much better. I would suggest replacing it if you can. Display issues are very hard to ignore vs. other lesser issues, and I don't know if ANY update could even fix those.
I'm with you there too to a certain point espe. The XP took FOREVER to release (4 mos??!! who does that??). The XZ came out like LESS than a month after it was announced, and has a better (though still crappy IMO) battery life and an improved camera too vs. the XP (though XP's camera is still great overall). But both phones I saw were rated as having the worst battery life and the longest charging times of ALL the 2016 flagship phones. The XP is the worst, and the XZ is a pretty close second. I mean, I too feel cheated b/c Sony always made their "2 Day Battery Life" promise a major selling point, but it is crystal clear to me now that that promise died with the Z series. They don't even mention it on their Sony Mobile site for the X phones anymore like they did in the past. My XP can't even make it through a full day if I start early enough (6am). Even with Stamina Mode on and turning my phone off a few times for a little while, this one day by like 8pm that night I only had 5% left. THAT is some major BS. They need to stop making these batteries so d*mn small. I know people like thin, but people want great battery life even more. A phone is no fun if there's now juice left to keep it running. lol
I see. Yes you're DEF a loyal Sony fan. I have and/or had a ton of Sony products too, but the Z3 was the only other Sony phone I've ever had, and it was my favorite overall vs. the other phones of its time. The battery life was MUCH better too. But since the death of the 2 Day Battery Life promise, the step back in audio, and other issues.......being forced to buy the int'l XP just to get a functioning fingerprint sensor, the super long waits for the phones to be released (and just the inconsistency of all that), the lack of customer care..........I may seriously go back to HTC next year. If the 11 improves its camera over the 10 (Note: the 10 was the first HTC flagship to use a Sony camera sensor, after Sony bought out camera sensor business of the former seller to HTC.......Toshiba.....and the camera got better. Coincidence? I think not. lol), and hopefully they go back to Classic BoomSound (BOTH speakers on the front, where the f'ing belong! lol), and doesn't go "phablet" (big yuck! lol), I will prob leave Sony for good. HTC makes buying their phones easy, no weird long waits, audio is considered louder AND better than Sony's, fingerprint sensors are included ON U.S. versions (b/c they're not too cheap to pay whatever fees for them to be used in the U.S., unlike Sony Mobile), even their unlocked phones will still offer the VoLTE (including HD Voice) and Wi-Fi Calling certification that T-Mobile requires to use them (which again, Sony Mobile is TOO CHEAP to pay for), Uh-Oh Protection, etc (see my last post for more details). Sony Mobile should be sitting on their THRONE here in the U.S. like they do in other countries (or are at least MUCH stronger in those places), but instead, they are cowering away for NO good reason and letting Apple and Samsung continue to rule over us with phones that overall are very good, but still not as great as Sony's Xperia phones once were and still kinda are. They need to grow some BALLS, and fast! But will they? Doesn't look like it.
hey Rockstar2005
You mentioned wifi signal weakness - goddamn ****ty performance of it, and hell yeah it's worst ever wifi module they implemented in xperia phone ever. Does't reconnect propertly or does it occasionaly. We can just talking and sony won't do anything with it. Overall xperias always been 90% best in everything for sure (body, photo, audio, and performance) - balanced 90% perfection of everything - but wait a moment ...sony goes terrible way by loosing Z series - every aspects should be a step forward but something went wrong and we have pretty phone without even middle-end functionality. Even huawei makes in my country huge expansion by giving good phones and excellent service / customer care. And sony just pissing on us (buy our **** and leave us alone ...but but wait come back and buy this **** again) I'm confused for waiting 2 weeks for ****ty reputated service opinion. Last one I've sent xperua Z ultra three times until they replaced the motherboard for me. I can bet on it - they will sent me not touched phone with eventualy reloaded rom.
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Espe,
That's fine. I was able to understand pretty much everything you said.
Well actually when I mentioned Wi-Fi I said "Wi-Fi Calling". I did not mention any issue with my Wi-Fi, as I'm (fortunately) not having any. Wi-Fi Calling is a feature from T-Mobile where you can make calls using your Wi-Fi signal, which may be stronger than your regular call reception is in whatever area you are in at the time. To have both that and VoLTE (Voice over LTE, which makes calls connect faster and offer stronger call quality and reception I believe) be active when using T-Mobile (which IS my carrier) here in the U.S., the phone maker has to get those certified (which costs money too) with T-Mobile. Sony was UNWILLING to do that, but HTC did do it, and to me, that shows they care more about U.S. customers than Sony Mobile does.
Yeah Sony DEF isn't as competitive as they were before, aside from camera, which is prob the only REAL strong point Sony still has.
That sux that they are giving you the "run around" on the Z Ultra. Maybe you should call and demand to speak to a supervisor or even higher than him/her?? I hope you get that issue resolved soon.
I'm looking into getting this phone, but wanted actual owners inputs on the phone.
I bought a g5 plus on black friday at bestbuy, and used it for about a week and a half. I has issues with calls were cutting out, as if I had dropped call, but if I waited long enough, the call would resume fine, but the other side could not here me and eventually hung up without waiting long enough. This is a known issue on lenovo forums, as others have the same issue with the g5 plus.
I'd like people with say a month or better to chime in on this if you would.
I've watched numerous videos on the 5s plus and read thru countless reviews on it as well, and the biggest complaint seems to be with the camera and the depth feature, both of which have terrible lag time and wait time.
I've also sifted thru lenova forums to see if there are any issues, and the only other issue that I would call major is the screen cracked when it was not dropped or anything, was due to an alarm, although I'm not sure how that would happen.
That being said, has anyone encountered any issue, that I would call deal breakers, like voice calls, wifi dopping, slow hotspot or cell data, etc....
I'm not an avid big user of the camera, so I'm what you'd call a casual point-n-shoot person, so the camera is a low priority on my list when it comes to phones, as I don't do much with selfies or picture taking.
What I do want in a phone is good working voice and data, hotspot, and fingerprint scanner. I could even get past a buggy or glitchy fingerprint scanner even.
I've had some really bad bad bad experiences with phones as of late. I bought that g5 plus and had the voice call issues, which was not a carrier thing it was the phone, as my nexus 5x and oneplus 3 do not suffer from it. Now I have a oneplus 3, and although I love the phone, but it seems that I cannot upgrade my os at all, past 7.1.1, due to I get drastically slow data speeds. I won't go into a lot of detail on that, just in short anything past 7.1.1 android it happens, data speeds get cut near in 1/2. I'm in contact with 1+ and hope dearly that they can find a fix to this, but I am still shopping as I don't hold much stock in they will actually find a fix and more sluff it off, especially given they no longer support the phone at all.
My poor nexus 5x is suffering from bad battery life, more-so than before , and has some slow downs now, and stuttering at some points. I'm guessing it's on it's way out, this is why I was shopping for another phone and I got the 5 plus, but had issues, and now this oneplus 3 issue.
So as for looking and researching, it seems like the g5s plus doesn't suffer from the issues the g5 plus has, so it seems like it would be a good choice.
So I'm hoping those who actually have the phone and use it on a daily basis can chime in and tell me what the pros and cons are, what you like and/or don't like, aside from the obvious camera issues.
Thanks for any input that might help me with my choice.
I never faced any issue with Fingerprint, call, Wi-Fi. The only issue that's particularly bothering me is that most call recorder apps don't work (except Boldbeast recorder which is doing fine as of now).
My phone fell from 6 feet height once and landed flat on the screen. I thought it'd have shattered by some miracle (or the chinese tampered glass), even the protector didn't get any scratch except like 3 mm of it got chipped off one of its corners.
So, it's quite a sturdy one. Moreover, the camera quality has been improved significantly after the updates. Now, there's almost 0 shutter lag clicking the normal pics and almost half a second to 1 second lag to click in Depth mode or HDR mode.
However, I still think one plus3 is still a much better option than this one. You may also have a look at Xiaomi A1.
For the money, it's a great device. Had it for 3 months, used on gsm (att) and cdma (Verizon) no issues with calls. Since camera isn't am issue for ya, I'll say it takes pictures, certainly not the best pictures, but it works - but what would ya expect for a $300 or less phone. Low light is where it really struggles (as expected). Rom development isn't the greatest, is a relatively new device, hoping that gets better but what is available is good enough for daily drivers at least. And custom roms are 64 bit, not 32 like stock which does give a noticeable performance bump. Battery life is great - better than my 6p when it was new, and better than my n5 when it was new. Games, if that's your thing, run fine. I tried some racing sims for fun and no problems (I was actually impressed by how they ran). The all metal construction feels solid, really solid. I've never used a case or screen protector (it lives in my back pocket), dropped it from about 4 feet one day on to a hard tile floor, not a mark in it. I'll also say the finger print gestures are great. No need for the nav bar, which makes the screen almost the exact same size as the 6p (at my age bigger is definitely better!). The sd625 has enough power to run everything smoothly, with the benefit of being very power efficient. Ruining 64 bit os, performance is almost as good as my 6p (before the big cores died) - sorting and adding formula to a spreadsheet with 100k to 150k rows takes a few seconds, but barely longer than the fully working 6p.
This is a good bang for your buck device. I'd recommend it, and have to a few people who are getting it now.
It has its Pros and Cons, but it's really the first Android device I've had that I haven't immediately thought about my next phone. It's fast enough, smoother than my wife's iphone 7 at least..Everything is a little better than average except camera performance. Camera is "meh" as others have pointed out, and there have been times where I was frustrated trying to take decent photos over the holidays.
*Really wish it had NFC for Android Pay
*If you can afford it, get the 4GB RAM version. Using the camera causes most apps to close out of memory for some reason on my 3GB model. Sent bug requests and they say it is due to RAM management.
In the $200-$300 price range, I think it's either this phone or the Honor 7x. Honor has a better Camera, but has EMUI
Thanks for he input.
On looking more, it seems moto released a patch that fixes the camera issues now, so that's a good thing. The video I saw with the new update and depth setting was a HUGE inccrease in speed now....almost instant now compared to 2-3 seconds or better.
So far I can't seem to find much negative about this phone, perhaps because its still new, not sure.
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Thanks for he input.
On looking more, it seems moto released a patch that fixes the camera issues now, so that's a good thing. The video I saw with the new update and depth setting was a HUGE inccrease in speed now....almost instant now compared to 2-3 seconds or better.
So far I can't seem to find much negative about this phone, perhaps because its still new, not sure.
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Looking on Swappa.com, I was seeing OnePlus 3T's in the $300-$350 range, which if you ask me, looks like a better phone...Not as "new", but Snapdragon 821, 6 GB of RAM, I think they're already on Oreo too...
Coming from the oneplus 3 and having slow data issues, and this is not just a little, this is at least 1/2.....24Mbps before the update to Oreo, down to 8-10Mbps after. That unexceptible in any terms. I've been in contact with 1+ and after 5 emails, still no fix in sight.
I don't feel like repeating the same thing all over.
This data issue is rampant on the one plus 3. Do a search on "oneplus 3 slow speed after android update". Tons of people having the issue. This has haunted these phones since 2016.
Not everyone has it, some do, but I'm not willing to take that chance again.
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Did some testing on my hotspot today on the 1+3, so I wanna ask, is anyone here with a g5s plus, using tmobile service and hotspot? can you test your hotspot speeds and let me know what you get.
I have a suspicion tmobile is limiting non-branded tmobile phones ie: a phone that's unlocked, and not bought from tmobile store or tmobile.
Both my 5x and 1+3 have the issues of slow hotspot, but when I went to a tmobile store today, inserted my sim card in a tmobile branded phone and tested hotspot on my 5x and 1+3, I got good speeds, 24-50Mbps, but when I put the sim in the 5x or the 1+3, both suffer from bad slow hotspot speeds 1-3Mbps, while cell data on the phone is fine.
If they are indeed blocking or limiting non-tmobile branded phones, then even the g5s plus will suffer from slow hotspot as well.
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I finally did some more tesitng today, and found that the 1+3 has what I think is hardware issues with hotdpot. I placed my sim into my 5x phone and now things are fine, so it's not a tmobile issues or blocking non tmobile phones, as my 5x is still non tmobile, but it works fine.
I'm going to chalk it up as the 1+3 has bad hardware or flawed hardware of some sort that affects bad hotspot.
I'm going to order the g5s Plus this coming friday so I am looking forward to getting this phone.
" the screen cracked when it was not dropped or anything, was due to an alarm, although I'm not sure how that would happen."
Lol. It wouldn't. I read that a lot about the xperia z3 too. People drop phones and struggle to admit "i was clumsy and dropped my glass phone and it cracked".
I have the g5s plus and it's great. The camera isn't very good, and sometimes apps crash, usually at the point they're loaded/switched back to, and sometimes an app I'm not using will tell me it's crashed but other than that it's very stable. I've had no random reboots. Battery life is great. I had the z3 before for about 3 years and the screen just failed while I was holding it. I just can't be bothered with expensive phones any more so I got the g5s plus expecting it to be a step down from the z3 but it is better in every respect except for the camera (awesome on the z3, average on the g5s plus) and the magnetic charger (z3 has, g5s plus has the old fashioned usb only and i'm always worried it's going to die one day). If I lost this phone I'd buy another one to replace it without thinking about it. I considered the oneplus 5 initially but it's twice as expensive and the camera isn't very good on that one either so i wasn't sure where the extra £250 I'd need to pay would be going (I paid £260 in the uk for my g5s plus).
I'm not expecting moto to rush out oreo, however. I get the feeling they're even slower than samsung for updates.
Webern said:
" the screen cracked when it was not dropped or anything, was due to an alarm, although I'm not sure how that would happen."
Lol. It wouldn't. I read that a lot about the xperia z3 too. People drop phones and struggle to admit "i was clumsy and dropped my glass phone and it cracked".
I have the g5s plus and it's great. The camera isn't very good, and sometimes apps crash, usually at the point they're loaded/switched back to, and sometimes an app I'm not using will tell me it's crashed but other than that it's very stable. I've had no random reboots. Battery life is great. I had the z3 before for about 3 years and the screen just failed while I was holding it. I just can't be bothered with expensive phones any more so I got the g5s plus expecting it to be a step down from the z3 but it is better in every respect except for the camera (awesome on the z3, average on the g5s plus) and the magnetic charger (z3 has, g5s plus has the old fashioned usb only and i'm always worried it's going to die one day). If I lost this phone I'd buy another one to replace it without thinking about it. I considered the oneplus 5 initially but it's twice as expensive and the camera isn't very good on that one either so i wasn't sure where the extra £250 I'd need to pay would be going (I paid £260 in the uk for my g5s plus).
I'm not expecting moto to rush out oreo, however. I get the feeling they're even slower than samsung for updates.
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My own opinion, coming from a Note 4..... Camera isnt good. Other than that, this is a spectacular phone, running rooted stock only. Catch it on sale and cant beat it.
Use it as my work phone, great battery life and very smooth. Here in the UK I can't get volte or WiFi calling which is a little annoying.. Motorola don't release updates like they used to either, they are much slower.
That's not too say is a bad phone though, I really like it.
Phone is really good for a normal user. I'm using this for more than a week now. It works well. I get 2 days battery backup. This is the best phone available at this price for the hardware specification.
My 2 cents , is this I had a Nexus 6 p and then an Essential , the Nexus was great but it had a terrible battery issue, the screen wasnt very good, i actually had two of them the first one died within a week, then aftrr 2 years i got the Essential , what a beautiful phone , very elegant, barely drop it , crack, still nice, but there is a terrible camera. The calks dropped because the cellular software and radio is messed up , the side screen s have touch issues , theres a lot of little things
The G5S+ , i bought because it was rated high for midlevel phone and to be quite honest , its lightbthan both previous phones, better call quality , vetter battery life, this phone wont be any other phone on any test , but it will always rate in the middle of the pack, it has not let me down at all, feels good in the hand , great touch , everything about it is mediocre , but thats ok, because it rocks, its my go to daily driver , it was sim unlocked when i bought it, bl unlocked after 5 minutes adb , havent rooted or twrped it yet , nit enough time, but its worth the money
The M20P is a great phone in many ways but I'm throwing in the towel. At this point I really wish I had held onto my P20P.
I can't trust this phone as a daily driver because of intermittent issues where phone calls go straight into voicemail without the phone ever ringing. It's not like I'm missing the calls because multiple people have reported that when they called it went straight to voicemail with no ringing.
There was some theorizing in a separate thread that the issue might be due to a compatibility issue with the T-Mobile network here in the United States (where the M20P isn't officially sold or supported) but I have found owners in other countries complaining about the same problem .
I've tried numerous fixes from experimenting with the APN and network settings, turning off raise to wake and voice answering settings, using performance mode, using Shortcut Maker to disable the hidden Wi-Fi calls menu, turning off power optomization for all apps, giving call related apps unlimited data access, disabling Power Genie with ADB--and every time it seems like the problem might be fixed it eventually happens again.
I previously owned both the M10P and P20P and never ran across the issue on either phone. I'm not sure if this is happening because of MIUI 9 or the way Huawei is implementing Android Pie or if it is only specific to this model but as much as I like the M20P I can't use it as my daily driver if I can't trust it to ring every time I receive a call.
I'm not a fan of Samsung phones, One Plus or Google Pixels so I'm looking at probably getting a Xiaomi MI 9 and relegating this to the back up phone status currently occupied by my Mix 2S.
Maybe the problem will get fixed in the 9.1 update but I can't keep missing calls.
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The M20P is a great phone in many ways but I'm throwing in the towel. At this point I really wish I had held onto my P20P.
I can't trust this phone as a daily driver because of intermittent issues where phone calls go straight into voicemail without the phone ever ringing. It's not like I'm missing the calls because multiple people have reported that when they called it went straight to voicemail with no ringing.
There was some theorizing in a separate thread that the issue might be due to a compatibility issue with the T-Mobile network here in the United States (where the M20P isn't officially sold or supported) but I have found owners in other countries complaining about the same problem .
I've tried numerous fixes from experimenting with the APN and network settings, turning off raise to wake and voice answering settings, using performance mode, using Shortcut Maker to disable the hidden Wi-Fi calls menu, turning off power optomization for all apps, giving call related apps unlimited data access, disabling Power Genie with ADB--and every time it seems like the problem might be fixed it eventually happens again.
I previously owned both the M10P and P20P and never ran across the issue on either phone. I'm not sure if this is happening because of MIUI 9 or the way Huawei is implementing Android Pie or if it is only specific to this model but as much as I like the M20P I can't use it as my daily driver if I can't trust it to ring every time I receive a call.
I'm not a fan of Samsung phones, One Plus or Google Pixels so I'm looking at probably getting a Xiaomi MI 9 and relegating this to the back up phone status currently occupied by my Mix 2S.
Maybe the problem will get fixed in the 9.1 update but I can't keep missing calls.
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I do also Miss calls. And I can't get Google voice to work, and use it for voicemail. So sometimes I don't even get notification of new voicemail too. Same here, T-Mobile US. I'm thinking of trading up, but really waiting for the upcoming 5g phones.
For me, it's not a deal breaker. But an inconvenience. Might trade my son-in-law for his 6t.
I hate to do it. Because everything about the performance is great. I love the camera...... Ugh.
Sorry to hear about your troubles.
Afaik, this has never happened to me or anyone I know with the M20P. But we also weren't affected by the infamous iPhone Death Grip here in Sweden, probably because our mobile networks are decently stable.
No issues here on Rogers in Canada. Sorry to hear that.
That's also a deal breaker for me. If it can't make and receive phone calls, she's gotta go.
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No issues here on Rogers in Canada. Sorry to hear that.
That's also a deal breaker for me. If it can't make and receive phone calls, she's gotta go.
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Must be related to the network not the phone...either the band it's on in your area, or the communication with the tower.
While most of us in countries where the phone is sold have problems with notifications (EMUI 9.1....I hope that will solve them...) I NEVER missed a call. And my provider (Videotron) has agreements with 3 more for coverage, so I jump a lot between bands and carriers when I travel.
Considering you have no recourse in US, I would just give up and get something more mainstream. 6T might be good idea.
I can make phone calls and 95% of the time I receive them fine. But the other 5% is driving me crazy ?.
The other day I had to call Amazon customer service The website said the call was connected but my phone never rang. I canceled the call and clicked for them to call me back and the same thing happened twice more-the Amazon website said the call was currently connected but my phone never rang, there's nothing in the call history and no voicemail notification.
I reboot my phone and there's suddenly 3 missed calls and a voice mail notification and when I click for Amazon to call me again the phone rings immediately.
I hadn't missed a call for weeks before that.
Maybe I shouldn't have screwed around with manually flashing updates. It was never a problem with the M10P or P20P but since the updates for this phone aren't locked to the specific hardware version it's not the same as before and the phone always shows up as uncertified which never happened on the other phones.
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Sorry to hear about your troubles.
Afaik, this has never happened to me or anyone I know with the M20P. But we also weren't affected by the infamous iPhone Death Grip here in Sweden, probably because our mobile networks are decently stable.
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or maybe we didn't held the phone wrong
You should try a factory reset as a last resort first
what firmware version are you on? M2p here in the states and have had zero problems here
I was on one of the versions with the April security patch. I did a factory reset and e-recovery to the latest approved version for my model which is 210 with the March security patch but it didn't make any difference. I haven't had any calls yet to miss but I couldn't get text messages to set up my Amazon and Chase apps until after rebooting the phone which is a different symptom of the same issue. I was sending and receiving texts earlier this morning with no issues. I had to reboot about 4 hours later.
I have the LYA-L09 version from the UK. I don't think It should make a difference but maybe the international or Canadian versions would work better with T-Mobile in the US. Band support isn't an issue but Huawei did something new with this phone where the custom partition (which contains carrier and region specific software) is separate from the rest of the firmware which is why the same firmware versions can be manually flashed across all non-Chinese models.
The new custom partition might be causing issues with missed calls and notifications that some people like me are experiencing.
On earlier Huawei phones removing specific apps from battery optimization was enough to ensure that notifications from those apps were delivered quickly but a really common complaint with many M20P owners is that doing that no longer works. Some people don't get any notifications from certain apps unless the display is on and others need to reboot their phones when they suspect they have missed notifications--especially from SMS.
I didn't come across this missing calls issue but there is a bunch of other annoyances that putting me off this phone. To start with, it disappointed me straight away from day one due to simple, unexpected reason - inability to unlocked it at first-second-third attempt with in-screen fingerprint sensor. It was like a sobering slap to the face. Believe me or not but this fancy feature was one of the buying point. Seriously, that fingerprint reader seems works only at the time of first set up . Next day during the phone normal use with clean screen with no screen protector the most common scenario - unlocked with face recognition after 4 failed fingerprint attempt. Seriously, the first "date" with this beautiful phone was ruined straight away!! Further - more "minor" issues like tons of accidental screenshots in my gallery due to improper buttons position, inferior sound from the speakers (coming from Pixel 3) - acceptable at max volume only for me, useless AOD, inability to wake up the phone with double tap, no notifications issue (due to too long (!) operator name as I figured out later), no Google Feed out-of-the-box for my region, poor tactile engine (still can't feel that it's even here compared to iPhones or Pixel 3), camera inconsistency (too many out of focus, blurry shots, bad selfies, poor low light video).... Basically the only things forced to keep me this phone are great battery life, versatile camera, cool unique back design. I understand that there is no perfect phone for sure BUT there are far too many negative bullet points for this one considering the price I paid for it. Frankly, it is certainly not a over $1000 phone at all. If I was aware of all above-mentioned issues, I would't pay more than $500 for it. Sure I have got some quite stunning shots from it BUT everything else must be up for the price as well! So I gave up and put it on sale as well. Sorry Huawei, try harder next time.
Boo hoo.
WarVic said:
I didn't come across this missing calls issue but there is a bunch of other annoyances that putting me off this phone. To start with, it disappointed me straight away from day one due to simple, unexpected reason - inability to unlocked it at first-second-third attempt with in-screen fingerprint sensor. It was like a sobering slap to the face. Believe me or not but this fancy feature was one of the buying point. Seriously, that fingerprint reader seems works only at the time of first set up . Next day during the phone normal use with clean screen with no screen protector the most common scenario - unlocked with face recognition after 4 failed fingerprint attempt. Seriously, the first "date" with this beautiful phone was ruined straight away!! Further - more "minor" issues like tons of accidental screenshots in my gallery due to improper buttons position, inferior sound from the speakers (coming from Pixel 3) - acceptable at max volume only for me, useless AOD, inability to wake up the phone with double tap, no notifications issue (due to too long (!) operator name as I figured out later), no Google Feed out-of-the-box for my region, poor tactile engine (still can't feel that it's even here compared to iPhones or Pixel 3), camera inconsistency (too many out of focus, blurry shots, bad selfies, poor low light video).... Basically the only things forced to keep me this phone are great battery life, versatile camera, cool unique back design. I understand that there is no perfect phone for sure BUT there are far too many negative bullet points for this one considering the price I paid for it. Frankly, it is certainly not a over $1000 phone at all. If I was aware of all above-mentioned issues, I would't pay more than $500 for it. Sure I have got some quite stunning shots from it BUT everything else must be up for the price as well! So I gave up and put it on sale as well. Sorry Huawei, try harder next time.
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I've never had any of those problems although the AOD display does seem to bug some people who are used to what Samsung or Apple does with it.
I think the Pixels are among the worst phones on the market. They easily list for twice what they are worth, have worst build quality than a $200 Xiaomi phone, run too hot, suffer serious hardware failure within 2 years in staggering numbers and every generation of Pixel devices to date has had significant hardware and software problems that the tech press ignores.
I really like this phone a lot. The build quality is fantastic. It takes great pictures and everything runs smooth and fast without the phone ever running hot (unlike Google phones which have been running in performance mode by default since the Nexus 5X). Battery life is great. My LG display (you know--the one that was supposedly defective?) is gorgeous.
But I can't deal with the missed calls anymore. I'm sure it could be fixed with a software update but after 6 months I'm not confident that a fix is ever going to come.
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I've never had any of those problems although the AOD display does seem to bug some people who are used to what Samsung or Apple does with it.
I think the Pixels are among the worst phones on the market. They easily list for twice what they are worth, have worst build quality than a $200 Xiaomi phone, run too hot, suffer serious hardware failure within 2 years in staggering numbers and every generation of Pixel devices to date has had significant hardware and software problems that the tech press ignores.
I really like this phone a lot. The build quality is fantastic. It takes great pictures and everything runs smooth and fast without the phone ever running hot (unlike Google phones which have been running in performance mode by default since the Nexus 5X). Battery life is great. My LG display (you know--the one that was supposedly defective?) is gorgeous.
But I can't deal with the missed calls anymore. I'm sure it could be fixed with a software update but after 6 months I'm not confident that a fix is ever going to come.
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Hi there. I believe you never owned the Pixel 3 or 3 XL! Because you certainly don't know what are you talking about. The only thing those phones are missing is versatile camera system. That's it. Otherwise Pixel 3s are the best smartphones around. I had Pixel 3 XL for 4 month, still own a Pixel 3 as a business / backup phone. No single hardware or software issue with them whatsoever. Build quality is top tier. No heating issues with my small Pixel 3 for sure whereas my buggy Mate 20 Pro becomes hot as hell after just half an hour driving with GPS app running. Pixel 3 stays cool at the same conditions! You seriously need to get Pixel 3 first and start talking afterwards!
So.... I too have abandoned the phone. I love it. It was a beast with battery and camera and speed. But.... missing calls has cost me a vacation that my timeshare had called and I didn't get the trade for the time. And timeshares can be finnickey to get a trade for the area/time you want.
Anyway. I ended up trading to my son-in-law for the oneplus 6t since its sold by Tmobile and should have any missed calls. He got a hell of a phone for the trade. Oh well.....
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Hi there. I believe you never owned the Pixel 3 or 3 XL! Because you certainly don't know what are you talking about. The only thing those phones are missing is versatile camera system. That's it. Otherwise Pixel 3s are the best smartphones around. I had Pixel 3 XL for 4 month, still own a Pixel 3 as a business / backup phone. No single hardware or software issue with them whatsoever. Build quality is top tier. No heating issues with my small Pixel 3 for sure whereas my buggy Mate 20 Pro becomes hot as hell after just half an hour driving with GPS app running. Pixel 3 stays cool at the same conditions! You seriously need to get Pixel 3 first and start talking afterwards!
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I have owned Nexus and Pixel phones. I definitely know what I am talking about. The Nexus devices had much more premium build quality than the Pixel line and the phones were much cheaper.
Just go to the Official Google Pixel Support site and read the posts from the many owners experiencing serious issues with their phones. That's pretty much the only place people can find accurate information about Pixel phones because the tech press holds Google to a much lower standard than it does Samsung, Apple, Huawei, or Xiaomi. The only company that gets a similar treatment to Google is One Plus. The official One Plus support site has so many reports of issues everyday that after a couple hours all of the posts that had been visible are completely buried under the tidal wave of new posts.
The difference is that the majority of issues One Plus owners report are software related because the coding on One Plus phones is inept and the majority of reported Pixel problems are hardware related.
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So.... I too have abandoned the phone. I love it. It was a beast with battery and camera and speed. But.... missing calls has cost me a vacation that my timeshare had called and I didn't get the trade for the time. And timeshares can be finnickey to get a trade for the area/time you want.
Anyway. I ended up trading to my son-in-law for the oneplus 6t since its sold by Tmobile and should have any missed calls. He got a hell of a phone for the trade. Oh well.....
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I am not a fan of One Plus but I'm sure you won't have an issue with missed calls. If you have a T-Mobile One Plus instead of an unlocked one you get far less frequent updates because T-Mobile is trying not to release Oxygen updates that introduce new bugs. I don't think T-Mobile knew what they were getting into before they decided to carry those phones.
I got my MI 9. It's not as nice as the M20P obviously but it's a good value which is what Xiaomi is known for. I'm also getting all my calls, texts and notifications with zero problems and VoLTE works.
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Hi there. I believe you never owned the Pixel 3 or 3 XL! Because you certainly don't know what are you talking about. The only thing those phones are missing is versatile camera system. That's it. Otherwise Pixel 3s are the best smartphones around. I had Pixel 3 XL for 4 month, still own a Pixel 3 as a business / backup phone. No single hardware or software issue with them whatsoever. Build quality is top tier. No heating issues with my small Pixel 3 for sure whereas my buggy Mate 20 Pro becomes hot as hell after just half an hour driving with GPS app running. Pixel 3 stays cool at the same conditions! You seriously need to get Pixel 3 first and start talking afterwards!
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Looks to me you're the only one who doesn't know what he's talking about...plus you might wanna try to be more considerate when you post here. No need for personal baseless attacks.
Pixel 3 is an outdated phone with an excellent camera app and timely updates. That's ALL. Had one, ditched it for the Mate 20 pro (in before the personal attack that "you don't know what you're talking about").
I can also ask you how did you get your Mate 20 pro to become "hot as hell after just a half an hour driving with GPS app running". I took 4-5 hour trips with GPS on, the only slight warm area was the wireless charging one, as the phone sat in a holder with wireless charging.
Not sure what point you are trying to prove (if any) but you haven't convinced anyone.
Maybe this will:
https://www.droid-life.com/2019/04/29/doesnt-sound-like-google-sold-very-many-pixel-3-phones/
have you tried using a fresh new sim card?
First of all, i'm from Spain, so the topic about "4/5G coverage" (Not sure if "coverage" is the word) below will be an important one, but i have more than that
2nd, i'm an owner of an S7 4G NO EDGE with Exynos, and i was thinking of upgrading my phone to a newer one (Not sure yet, specially with the doubts) and i'm undecided between an S20FE 5G (Because in Europe this specific model has Snapdragon while the others, even non FE, are all Exynos) or something else..
My uses are the usual Watsapp, FB, Twitter, Youtube, but also gaming here and there, along taking photos or making videos from time to time (I prefer it 1080p60FPS for better "realism"/motion feeling..Real life Frames Per Sec) .
Here's my questions:
1. My S7 says that it has a 12MP back camera while the front/selfie one has 5MP, however i've seen that the S20FE 5G has "2 12MP cameras and 1 8?MP" back camera while the front one has a brutal of 32MB. Isn't the back camera a bit of a downgrade or "still the same camera" then?..Also i've heard that the selfie camera is the worst thing of it , not sure if it was focus related (Ya know, poke yourself in the screen and the rest goes **** but even worse with this model) or simply in general (Not sure if just both cameras or just the selfie one)
Heard stuff about some "Gcam" plugin or whatever but not sure if it totally helps with both cameras at all (Photo AND video senses)
2. (The hard doubt) : I've read that the S20FE 5G might have coverage issues with the 4/5G bands. Not sure if it's also meant to affect the non 4/5G band like calling people normally (No use of 4/5G, just the provider's SIM card). Heard that the 5G model , the one with Snapdragon, would help with the situation, yet i don't know if these issues are mainly related with Snapdragon/Exynos or the provider's coverage in places, as i've read that some people gets less coverage with the FE 5G than their previous S8-9 or even a Xiaomi phone or "P50" or something (Hardware issue?)
3. I've heard that both cameras have a function that, while recording, you can change between back and front cameras. Is this avaliable for any kind of video mode, including 1080p60FPs and even 4K60FPS?
4. For being a newer phone and being a beast, i've read in versus.com that the screen's dpi and resolution is lower. Is that noticeable?. Is the screen more "Whiter" than my S7 (wich's white on white screens but perhaps it has a "vanilla yellow" touch on it?)
5. Being a Snapdragon i've heard that the screen has ghosting issues or unregistered pokings/swipings, but with the latest updates it seems to have it fixed at all or partially. Does the EU region already have this patch avaliable to download? (One that weights 263MB).. And even for non EU region, do you people with the FE 5G have this problem fixed up?
6.Between my S7 and FE, what'd be the speed/performance differences? (Games' FPS, loading times in games and apps, etc).
7. From 0% to 100%, how much time it'd take for the phone to charge?. Heard it has a 15W adapter but it could go up to 25W even though you must go through the counter again for it's 25" charger's sold separately...
8. I've seen that since the S20 series that they've removed the helpeful multicoloured LED light from the phone's front that tells you if you had a notification about your apps (Green for Watsapp, Blue for FB, etc) and now it's all set in one single coloured notification around the phone (or however you set it). Isn't there a way to recover that function back one way or another?
9. Finger unlocking. Can you unlock the phone with the thumb being placed sideways ?.. Can it be applied to other fingers (from both hands)?
10. I know this might kinda break it, but after all these questions, would the FE5G still be a recommended phone for my needs?.. Specially since it's the last one that allows a MicroSD while the S21 doesn't has one or has made things worse in some other aspects. Since i've heard that Snapdragon has a better performance/efficiency and better battery control up to around a 25% (Not sure if battery or performance to) along the 4/5G coverage i was looking for the FE5G mainly, but if there's other alternatives i'd like to know
Sorry for this wall of text and thanks in advance!
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First of all, i'm from Spain, so the topic about "4/5G coverage" (Not sure if "coverage" is the word) below will be an important one, but i have more than that
2nd, i'm an owner of an S7 4G NO EDGE with Exynos, and i was thinking of upgrading my phone to a newer one (Not sure yet, specially with the doubts) and i'm undecided between an S20FE 5G (Because in Europe this specific model has Snapdragon while the others, even non FE, are all Exynos) or something else..
My uses are the usual Watsapp, FB, Twitter, Youtube, but also gaming here and there, along taking photos or making videos from time to time (I prefer it 1080p60FPS for better "realism"/motion feeling..Real life Frames Per Sec) .
Here's my questions:
1. My S7 says that it has a 12MP back camera while the front/selfie one has 5MP, however i've seen that the S20FE 5G has "2 12MP cameras and 1 8?MP" back camera while the front one has a brutal of 32MB. Isn't the back camera a bit of a downgrade or "still the same camera" then?..Also i've heard that the selfie camera is the worst thing of it , not sure if it was focus related (Ya know, poke yourself in the screen and the rest goes **** but even worse with this model) or simply in general (Not sure if just both cameras or just the selfie one)
Heard stuff about some "Gcam" plugin or whatever but not sure if it totally helps with both cameras at all (Photo AND video senses)
2. (The hard doubt) : I've read that the S20FE 5G might have coverage issues with the 4/5G bands. Not sure if it's also meant to affect the non 4/5G band like calling people normally (No use of 4/5G, just the provider's SIM card). Heard that the 5G model , the one with Snapdragon, would help with the situation, yet i don't know if these issues are mainly related with Snapdragon/Exynos or the provider's coverage in places, as i've read that some people gets less coverage with the FE 5G than their previous S8-9 or even a Xiaomi phone or "P50" or something (Hardware issue?)
3. I've heard that both cameras have a function that, while recording, you can change between back and front cameras. Is this avaliable for any kind of video mode, including 1080p60FPs and even 4K60FPS?
4. For being a newer phone and being a beast, i've read in versus.com that the screen's dpi and resolution is lower. Is that noticeable?. Is the screen more "Whiter" than my S7 (wich's white on white screens but perhaps it has a "vanilla yellow" touch on it?)
5. Being a Snapdragon i've heard that the screen has ghosting issues or unregistered pokings/swipings, but with the latest updates it seems to have it fixed at all or partially. Does the EU region already have this patch avaliable to download? (One that weights 263MB).. And even for non EU region, do you people with the FE 5G have this problem fixed up?
6.Between my S7 and FE, what'd be the speed/performance differences? (Games' FPS, loading times in games and apps, etc).
7. From 0% to 100%, how much time it'd take for the phone to charge?. Heard it has a 15W adapter but it could go up to 25W even though you must go through the counter again for it's 25" charger's sold separately...
8. I've seen that since the S20 series that they've removed the helpeful multicoloured LED light from the phone's front that tells you if you had a notification about your apps (Green for Watsapp, Blue for FB, etc) and now it's all set in one single coloured notification around the phone (or however you set it). Isn't there a way to recover that function back one way or another?
9. Finger unlocking. Can you unlock the phone with the thumb being placed sideways ?.. Can it be applied to other fingers (from both hands)?
10. I know this might kinda break it, but after all these questions, would the FE5G still be a recommended phone for my needs?.. Specially since it's the last one that allows a MicroSD while the S21 doesn't has one or has made things worse in some other aspects. Since i've heard that Snapdragon has a better performance/efficiency and better battery control up to around a 25% (Not sure if battery or performance to) along the 4/5G coverage i was looking for the FE5G mainly, but if there's other alternatives i'd like to know
Sorry for this wall of text and thanks in advance!
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With all due respect, you're waaaay overthinking this. You would be correct in debating upgrading year-over-year as, in my experience, the advancements in processors, power efficiency, cameras, etc., are grossly exaggerated by manufacturers, marketing teams, and the tech media (and we, like suckers, eat it up every time). That said, your S7 is SIX generations old now, and Samsung didn't even really solve it's software lagging issues until the S9 series. These forums (and others like them) are an incredibly valuable and useful resource for sharing information and opinions, but far too many otherwise reasonable people go down rabbit holes parsing every little detail, benchmark score, issue, etc. Don't sweat every detail - just go ahead and get the S20 FE 5G - you'll be blown away by the difference with your current phone.
if you're really worried buy the phone from a seller that has a no fuss returns policy. that way if you aren't happy you can just return it.
check out the ''reviews'' forum for the phone here and on YouTube look at videos with titles like one month later where the review is based on having lived with the phone.
there are a 1 or 2 software bugs here and there but nothing that makes me unhappy, angry or regretful. make sure to get the 5G
I've had many of both of these phones, the S7, S7 Edge and many S20 FEs and I can assure that if you upgrade you won't regret it. The S7 is ssooo slow compared to the S20 FE with an octa core processor. Takes much better pictures. Trust me I like the S7 I have like 6 of them but the S20 FE is so much better. You can even get a good one for around $300 used.
Just look at all those 5G channels. Hits 300+mbps and I'm not even on any special plan but will be tomorrow. Granted the channels provided depend on your carrier but a lot of 5G phones don't have a ton of channels like this. At least the ones I've seen don't I'm sure they're out there. They'll always be someone saying something bad about a phone. There's always going to be a few faulty phones here and there but Samsung takes them back.
Dears,
As some of you might already know, most of S23 and S23+ units, besides bad camera software, very bad photo quality because of the software, have also defective main camera lens. I noticed the issue after my testing period of this crap device expired and I am not able to return it anymore. I have taken few dozens of shots recently with GCam and this defect is too prominent to ignore, not mentioning the inability to shot documents, notes, invoices, etc.
The problem is well described here: https://www.sammobile.com/news/galaxy-s23-camera-hardware-issue/
Thing is that in many countries (mine included), Samsung is trying to make people dumb, explaining this issue by a "feature" of big sensors, which is - of course - a bull****.
Samsung in Italy has reportedly acknowledged the issue and is slowly admitting that there is a hardware defect they are willing to repair: https://www.hdblog.it/smartphone/articoli/n568223/galaxy-s23-foto-problema/
Has any of you tried to make Samsung Service replace the faulty sensor? Have the service in your country been trying to tell you the bull**** about the lens characteristics and refuse the repair?
Looks like it's optical; the lense has an odd blur pattern...
All lens have blurring ie lense blur chart. It varies throughout the image. Its preferable the image is the sharpest at the center. More blur tends to happen towards the outer areas and preferably in an even pattern rather than specific spots.
This blur seems excessive though. A lense defect is what it looks like to me.
The sensor needs to be perfectly flat otherwise areas will be out of focus. If this is the case it's a gross QC oversight.
Yes, it is optical, it is a defect.
Thing is that Samsung employees are telling the bull**** and insist that's a natural bokeh caused by sensor size and they refuse repair. This is sick and that's why I wonder if this is country-specific trick to try making customers dumb or Samsung strategy for the problem.
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Yes, it is optical, it is a defect.
Thing is that Samsung employees are telling the bull**** and insist that's a natural bokeh caused by sensor size and they refuse repair. This is sick and that's why I wonder if this is country-specific trick to try making customers dumb or Samsung strategy for the problem.
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Bokeh? Do they even know what that is?
I be ripping them to shreds...
I feel cheated paid more than 900 euro for a device, because I decided to buy of the best flagships. I could as well kept using Poco F3 with Gcam. The other day spend like 10 minutes trying to capture photo of a sick leave document to send to my employer, it was always blurry in the top left corner, so I learned that I should click focus top left corner and worked. Everyone should speak up about this problem.
I have successfully contacted my local Samsung Service.
They "have heard" something about the faulty lens and they offered a repair, but this repair would take over 2 weeks, because local services are not yet allowed to perform any service operations on S23 series. This is about to be changed late May and this is when I will try to contact them again to have my lens replaced. Hopefully for a working one.
Bad news is that the employee I was talking with was not certain if the replacement camera units they have will be free of the issue xD
I just can't believe this crap has ever been released.
Has this been fixed yet? Just bought a 256GB S23, kinda sad to see this in the forum right when I spend 800€ on it
I also bought the S23 256GB version when it got released and I don't have that problem on any pic I take. So it seems that not all units are effected.
It happens when I take picture of pages. But taking normal pictures it doesn't bother me.
Anyway, it is big drawback of this phone. Samsung silent just confirms that the problem exists.
My S23+ is the same, we have to push and show everyone interested in the S23 that they have problems and that Samsung does not admit, it is completely frustrating for a device of this price and to have worse camera performance than my S10e.
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Has this been fixed yet? Just bought a 256GB S23, kinda sad to see this in the forum right when I spend 800€ on it
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News?
if i want to buy a new s23 what do i look for to avoid th defective lens?
Samsung addressing this problem!?? Don't know
Samsung finally confirms blurry S23, S23 Plus cameras, says a fix is coming
Samsung has confirmed a so-called banana blur issue affecting Galaxy S23 and S23 Plus cameras, adding that a fix is coming.
www.androidauthority.com
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if i want to buy a new s23 what do i look for to avoid th defective lens?
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Test the camera using the main lens shooting a document, look for a curved blurry path, mine has it
With Samsung claiming it's a software thing, everyone will have it. Some people are just more sensitive to noticing it.
I have it as well, but in all honestly, I never barely ever make a picture of something closer than 50cm away.
All other pictures look perfectly fine.
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With Samsung claiming it's a software thing, everyone will have it. Some people are just more sensitive to noticing it.
I have it as well, but in all honestly, I never barely ever make a picture of something closer than 50cm away.
All other pictures look perfectly fine.
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I think it's hardware. Either the sensor or lense.
If so will Sammy try to cover it up with AI?
Time will tell, test revision with a random printed document...
Either way Samsung has gone overboard with their AI enhancement bs.
Another reason this 5002 mAh phone gets poor SOT in spite of its more efficient ram and what should be a more efficient SOC.
That also means a warmer running device that will run hot in ambient 100°F temperatures.
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I think it's hardware. Either the sensor or lense.
If so will Sammy try to cover it up with AI?
Time will tell, test revision with a random printed document...
Either way Samsung has gone overboard with their AI enhancement bs.
Another reason this 5002 mAh phone gets poor SOT in spite of its more efficient ram and what should be a more efficient SOC.
That also means a warmer running device that will run hot in ambient 100°F temperatures.
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Yeah I do feel like Samsung is trying to play off the camera issues as a software thing. I'm doubtful it is as well.
Furthermore, the battery life of the S23 is great. I'm not sure what you're talking about here. The Snapdragon gen2 performs great, and quite frankly, I barely ever have to charge it before going to bed.
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Yeah I do feel like Samsung is trying to play off the camera issues as a software thing. I'm doubtful it is as well.
Furthermore, the battery life of the S23 is great. I'm not sure what you're talking about here. The Snapdragon gen2 performs great, and quite frankly, I barely ever have to charge it before going to bed.
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Specifically if the S23U is optimized what kind of SOT can it get?
My N10+ with a new battery (4100-4300 mAh) will get a 11-13 hrs SOT. Browsing with Brave uses about 6% @hr total with display brightness around 27-30%*.
With the larger 5002 mAh battery I would expect to see 14-16 hrs SOT if running nonstop if optimized similarly with 5G off and display fixed at 60hz.
Most (any?) aren't seeing this. Worse Samsung's removal of expandable storage will force many to use cloud storage which uses a lot of battery. Instead of becoming more efficient Samsung just keeps putting in bigger batteries. 4300 mAh was about as large as you want go otherwise the phone gets thicker and worse heavier. These are already hard hitting devices when dropped, that extra 30gm hurts. Samsung's solution? Give it more bezel The N10+ still has the best display to bezel ratio after almost 4 years. wtf Samsung?
Google Android didn't help any either by fully implementing cpu cycle sucking scoped storage.
Any gains Google made in efficiency elsewhere is wiped out by scoped storage. That also forced Samsung to add dozens of new small system apps to try to preserve UI functionality and appearance. What a mess.
*Optimized: wifi disabled but internet and phone always on.
Tap on AOD. Playstore, Google backup Transport and Framework disabled. Google play Services normally temporarily disabled. All global power management disabled. All carrier, app, Google and Samsung feedback disabled. And little bixby is so disabled.
I used Xperia 5 II before taking a document from main camera (24mm F1.7), the outer words always blur (can say MUST blur). But no problem if use zoom lens (70mm F2.4) but need to pull out my device from object, then the whole page are clear. I think this is the nature of main camera (cannot take an object too close).
Not only documents, when I took pictures of a dish of food, the food at the center was clear, but the edge of dish and out side were blur. So if I want entire picture clear, I usually use 70mm lens. This will look a bit strange when I took picture in restaurant.
This is my experience of using Xperia device. I am not sure about other device except I am currently using S23 coming the same issue. Therefore, I don't think it is len defect, it is how you use a smartphone to take suitable photos.