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Alternate World without Android

Say that android was never released (or discontinued after initial release as a failure)
What do you think would be
(*) Outcome of the mobile world?
(*) what phone you'd be using?
I think, if Android ceased to exist, ill still be on old Windows Mobile.
Microsoft wouldnt have felt to need to update to WP7 as they had no need to compete with anyone apart from apple.
So as a result WP7 ceases to exist
I think apple would not have introduced multitasking or the fancy new features in their iPhones. They have no one to compete with
I don't think dual core would be high end (1ghz would be high end even in 2012, and would be ground breaking news)
I don't think apple will have released an ipad. They wouldnt need to compete.
I think I would still be using a WM phone if android didn't exist, and have no tablet...
HTC would still be a unknown company that no one has heard of, and they produce phones for carriers
XDA site wont be as popular or well known as now.
The mobile world would still be a few steps behind
More to come ..
List what you think!
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well, to what you said:
i would probably use a htc windows mobile( something i like, cause wm>> wp)
htc was known long ago before android existed. it was the main manufacturer to produce windows mobile phone
also multitasking was introduced in wm 6.5(if im not mistaking)
and xda back in those days may had less members, but it had way less *stupid* noobs
but yeah.. without android everything would be different

I'd still be rockin' my T-mobile Dash.

Without Android, This forum would be SO MUCH BETTER. I've quit checking anything outside of off topic, except when I feel I want a new rom once every 2 months. I remember how I couldn't wait for the next release of NRGROM for my Fuze...ahh, the good old days.

Don't let behind the others OS! Like Symbian, Garnet (Palm), Blackberry OS, Brew. They were competing before Android existed, so don't expect that it was because Android that everything changed.
Sometime before I heard of someone who said that it was because Apple that TouchScreen Smarthphones exists today, but wait!... There was already Palm and Symbian with Touchyy phones, so...
(Don't take it personally, is my point of view.)

I think without Android we'd have a lot less members and personally I think that would be good because some of these new members remind me of the worst in people. They just bring ignorance with then wherever they go, a tad deterring from leaving the outside world that is ot.
-We do what we must because we can; for the good of all of us, except the ones who are dead-

I think there'd be less noobs on the forums, double posting their threads

Archer said:
I think there'd be less noobs on the forums, double posting their threads
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Archer! I curse you for foreseeing my T-Mobile SGS2 forum to be filled with trolls and idiots
-We do what we must because we can; for the good of all of us, except the ones who are dead-

This guy......
jaszek said:
Without Android, This forum would be SO MUCH BETTER. I've quit checking anything outside of off topic, except when I feel I want a new rom once every 2 months. I remember how I couldn't wait for the next release of NRGROM for my Fuze...ahh, the good old days.
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Speaks the truth....
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face......

Archer said:
I think there'd be less noobs on the forums, double posting their threads
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Apologies, it didn't post for me the first time, so I tried first in the OT forum, but I thought it didn't post, so I decided to post in the general ..
But it did post twice
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dexter93 said:
well, to what you said:
i would probably use a htc windows mobile( something i like, cause wm>> wp)
htc was known long ago before android existed. it was the main manufacturer to produce windows mobile phone
also multitasking was introduced in wm 6.5(if im not mistaking)
and xda back in those days may had less members, but it had way less *stupid* noobs
but yeah.. without android everything would be different
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ru kidding, multitasking was always there..
I still remember my brother's i-mate Jam, it had WM2003 and it had multi-tasking

husam666 said:
ru kidding, multitasking was always there..
I still remember my brother's i-mate Jam, it had WM2003 and it had multi-tasking
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Yep, it was already there. I remember too. LOL
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This forum

I have been on xda since my hero days so its been a few years. Didn't join til too long ago. Made some good pals along the way and learned tons.
So far this forum for me is a breath of fresh air. The phone forums are so full of hate, trolls, attacks, name calling, disrespecting developer's work and the usual douche stuff.
Of course its here too, just no where near as bad yet. Yet. I hope it stays that way because its so much nicer to thank people than report them.
This may be a gay post but some mods fell the same way. Anyway, glad I got the n7 and glad I'm here.
From the Note to Nexus 7

sprintuser1977 said:
I have been on xda since my hero days so its been a few years. Didn't join til too long ago. Made some good pals along the way and learned tons.
So far this forum for me is a breath of fresh air. The phone forums are so full of hate, trolls, attacks, name calling, disrespecting developer's work and the usual douche stuff.
Of course its here too, just no where near as bad yet. Yet. I hope it stays that way because its so much nicer to thank people than report them.
This may be a gay post but some mods fell the same way. Anyway, glad I got the n7 and glad I'm here.
From the Note to Nexus 7
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Gay ?
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Saw that coming a mile away...

Yeah this has been awesome, reminds me of the HD2 forums, at least back when nand android became available, the vivid forums are crazy, these ones are nice.

This forum and the AT&T One X forums have been the best. The OG EVO 4G forums were good in the beginning but it got worse and worse over time. Same thing goes for the Epic 4G Touch. I know I'm guilty of some warranted snarky responses from time to time (Search first!) but I never actually attack anybody on a personal level like I've seen in some other subforums. We are all here for the same purpose so why can't we all just get along?

sprintuser1977 said:
I have been on xda since my hero days so its been a few years. Didn't join til too long ago. Made some good pals along the way and learned tons.
So far this forum for me is a breath of fresh air. The phone forums are so full of hate, trolls, attacks, name calling, disrespecting developer's work and the usual douche stuff.
Of course its here too, just no where near as bad yet. Yet. I hope it stays that way because its so much nicer to thank people than report them.
This may be a gay post but some mods fell the same way. Anyway, glad I got the n7 and glad I'm here.
From the Note to Nexus 7
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Hey I remember you from the Evo 4G forums! =D

Just be glad this isn't like the prime forum was in its earlier days..lol. nexus 7 forum is cool. Since I'm unlocked and running custom kernel, I'm more into developement scene now. Never any issues in there. Only everyone working together to put out the best/most stable stuff. NEXUS 7 is an aAzimg little 7in. Tablet. I would've never thought the experience on it would be this good.

Give it time. This forum will degrade just like every single other forum on here.
Not trying to trash XDA, but it just isn't the same community it used to be.

nickmv said:
Give it time. This forum will degrade just like every single other forum on here.
Not trying to trash XDA, but it just isn't the same community it used to be.
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Yep, the more popular a device gets, the more trolling and flaming becomes a problem. It's inevitable.

XDA is legit in general, probably one of the nicest put together forums on the web. The new layout really sets it off.
sprintuser1977 said:
I have been on xda since my hero days so its been a few years. Didn't join til too long ago. Made some good pals along the way and learned tons.
So far this forum for me is a breath of fresh air. The phone forums are so full of hate, trolls, attacks, name calling, disrespecting developer's work and the usual douche stuff.
Of course its here too, just no where near as bad yet. Yet. I hope it stays that way because its so much nicer to thank people than report them.
This may be a gay post but some mods fell the same way. Anyway, glad I got the n7 and glad I'm here.
From the Note to Nexus 7
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uberNoobZA said:
Gay ?
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium
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LOL. We know you're not gay dude, it's cool. :good:

When your getting the latest updates and everything is flowing as promise there's nothing to ***** about ... besides to Google ...
Its when you go on the older threads where people are angry because they can't get a working ICS build or even a jelly bean .. or too many noobs bricking their devices
It will turn in to that ... after time
The Epic 4G touch forums got real nasty after ICS n the brick montage
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_MetalHead_ said:
Yep, the more popular a device gets, the more trolling and flaming becomes a problem. It's inevitable.
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Shoulda been here 6 years ago.
It was all fields and everyone used to be on first name terms with each other.
Then the devices came, then they got popular then the neighbourhood went to pot.

>Then the devices came, then they got popular then the neighbourhood went to pot.
Why, when I was your age...
Pining for the golden yesteryear is a popular pasttime, but it's usually distorted by people's selective memory. Reminescing is futile anyway. What matters is how XDA manages the additional influx while still retaining some semblance of its core identity, and not let itself lapsed into another generic techie hang-out.
The dev sub-forum restrictions have been the main instrument in that. But it would be nice to see more care in other areas. The site's UI and layout was never good--check out the classic vs 2010 vs 2013 beta layouts--and now has turned for the worse.
We're not just talking about personal preference for aesthetics, but dirt-basic design concepts like text reflows vs fixed-width. The basic web UI now has orange-on-white. Who thinks up this stuff?
It would also be nice to see more creative solutions to navigate the huge traffic volume and decreasing sig2noise ratio. The most-recent-on-top scheme and the encouragement of long threads effectively bury most valuable info, as informative threads tend to have few inputs, and are pushed off by argumentative or more inane material. I suppose XDA is shackled by its forum software here, but one can hope for better.
Then again, maybe not.

I was a regular over at the SGT7 forums for a few months, didn't see too much name calling and stuff like that.

e.mote said:
>Then the devices came, then they got popular then the neighbourhood went to pot.
Why, when I was your age...
Pining for the golden yesteryear is a popular pasttime, but it's usually distorted by people's selective memory
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Don't take this the wrong way but when the US market opened up the s/n ratio plummeted.
Kids will be kids, wherever, but the US teen speaks a dialect of English and this is a predominantly English forum.
There are many native French & German / Nordic fora although many non native English speakers from Europe speak and type better English than many English teenagers and have better manners.
Sign o the times
Sent from my Nexus 7

hullbay said:
XDA is legit in general, probably one of the nicest put together forums on the web. The new layout really sets it off.
LOL. We know you're not gay dude, it's cool. :good:
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I'm not? Would it matter ?

Yeah the vivid forums make me me cry
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>Don't take this the wrong way but when the US market opened up the s/n ratio plummeted.
I live in the US, although I'm not a native, so I empathize both sides of the coin.
That said, attributing the deterioration of online communication to any nationality or ethnic group isn't a grounded argument. English is still the lingua franca of the Internet at this point, and the US user population is still the largest group. Failings from them tend to be magnified by their numbers.
I agree that there is a marked decline in social/communicative exchanges online. It's a little sad to see people don't even bother to correct obvious spelling mistakes, let alone correct grammar. Any attempt to better such is derided as grammar nazis.
But it is what it is, and it reflects the population at large, who also exhibited a marked decline in analytic thinking and social discourse. No amount of handwringing or reminescing will change that. And it is an equal-opportunity malaise in that it affects every online population, not just the US population.

It's kind of sad...
It's a bit like saying the Nexus 7 forums only murders 10 innocent children a week so it's not as bad as other forums who murders at least 100 innocent children and their mothers on a weekly basis.
It's unfortunate but unless the moderators are extremely active (and well-staffed) chances are the trolls will ruin it for everyone sooner or later.
Especially now it's the summer and there is nothing pimply-faced 13-year-olds like to do more than to troll forums in between playing the latest shooter on their MicroSony PlayBox, stuffing themselves with greasy pizza and masturbate.

e.mote said:
it is an equal-opportunity malaise in that it affects every online population, not just the US population.
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Amen and pass the ammunition!
Sent from my Nexus 7

G'day Cobbers

G'day
I'm David, and have been a member of XDA since 2006, back when Windows Mobile 5 ruled the forums, and Android hadn't even been thought about.
I currently work in IT Support at a University in Australia. Previously I was a project engineer with a defence contractor. I worked in avionics/electronics, and doing the company IT on the side. I have a B/Eng in IT, and am also qualified to work on aircraft avionics,though I haven't done that for a long time!
I'm obviously Scottish , but moved to Australia in 2001 when I was 21.
I was a BIG fan of the early O2 devices (O2 XDA II, XDA IIs etc), then progressed to HTC WM devices. I even made a few ROMs for the HTC Touch Diamond, which were quite popular
Then when Android was ported to the HD2, I gave it a try, and instantly moved across and never looked back!
I joined the XDA moderator team in 2010, and progressed my way up to Assistant Admin to @MikeChannon (he's not as bad as people say )
The mod team are a great bunch! Keep an eye out for our recruitment notices that go out every now and again
If you need help with anything forum related, please feel free to contact me directly. I can help with name changes, passwords, forum or account issues, pretty much anything

the_scotsman said:
G'day
I'm David, and have been a member of XDA since 2006, back when Windows Mobile 5 ruled the forums, and Android hadn't even been thought about.
I currently work in IT Support at a University in Australia. Previously I was a project engineer with a defence contractor. I worked in avionics/electronics, and doing the company IT on the side. I have a B/Eng in IT, and am also qualified to work on aircraft avionics,though I haven't done that for a long time!
I'm obviously Scottish , but moved to Australia in 2001 when I was 21.
I was a BIG fan of the early O2 devices (O2 XDA II, XDA IIs etc), then progressed to HTC WM devices. I even made a few ROMs for the HTC Touch Diamond, which were quite popular
Then when Android was ported to the HD2, I gave it a try, and instantly moved across and never looked back!
I joined the XDA moderator team in 2010, and progressed my way up to Assistant Admin to @MikeChannon (he's not as bad as people say )
The mod team are a great bunch! Keep an eye out for our recruitment notices that go out every now and again
If you need help with anything forum related, please feel free to contact me directly. I can help with name changes, passwords, forum or account issues, pretty much anything
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Good story

the_scotsman said:
G'day
I'm David, and have been a member of XDA since 2006, back when Windows Mobile 5 ruled the forums, and Android hadn't even been thought about.
I currently work in IT Support at a University in Australia. Previously I was a project engineer with a defence contractor. I worked in avionics/electronics, and doing the company IT on the side. I have a B/Eng in IT, and am also qualified to work on aircraft avionics,though I haven't done that for a long time!
I'm obviously Scottish , but moved to Australia in 2001 when I was 21.
I was a BIG fan of the early O2 devices (O2 XDA II, XDA IIs etc), then progressed to HTC WM devices. I even made a few ROMs for the HTC Touch Diamond, which were quite popular
Then when Android was ported to the HD2, I gave it a try, and instantly moved across and never looked back!
I joined the XDA moderator team in 2010, and progressed my way up to Assistant Admin to @MikeChannon (he's not as bad as people say )
The mod team are a great bunch! Keep an eye out for our recruitment notices that go out every now and again
If you need help with anything forum related, please feel free to contact me directly. I can help with name changes, passwords, forum or account issues, pretty much anything
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Can you explain why you're "the scotsman" yet you're from Australia??

svetius said:
Can you explain why you're "the scotsman" yet you're from Australia??
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Didn't he do?
the_scotsman said:
I'm obviously Scottish , but moved to Australia in 2001 when I was 21.
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the_scotsman said:
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I currently work in IT Support at a University in Australia. ... but moved to Australia in 2001 when I was 21.
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Where in Australia? NSW ... I have family near Sydney

It_ler said:
Where in Australia? NSW ... I have family near Sydney
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I hope they aren't affected by the severe, extreme flooding that is supposed to occur in the greater Sydney area. Fingers crossed!

also @the_scotsman what is a cobber? XD

svetius said:
also @the_scotsman what is a cobber? XD
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So what’s a Cobber?
In the Yiddish dialect of Hebrew, a cobber is a friend, comrade or good companion. In old Australian slang, a cobber is a good buddy, a pal (‘ga day, cobber!) And in Britain a cobber is someone to take a liking to.

sd_shadow said:
So what’s a Cobber?
In the Yiddish dialect of Hebrew, a cobber is a friend, comrade or good companion. In old Australian slang, a cobber is a good buddy, a pal (‘ga day, cobber!) And in Britain a cobber is someone to take a liking to.
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My translator (https://www.dict.cc/) just says it's Australian slang for buddy or mate. In German we call it "Kumpel".

Haha yea, it's Aussie slang for friend or mate
And I met and married an Aussie, and moved to Australia when I was 21.
It_ler said:
Where in Australia? NSW ... I have family near Sydney
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I'm 2 hours south of Sydney

the_scotsman said:
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I'm 2 hours south of Sydney
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Watch out for Germans about 1 hours west of Sydney

Oswald Boelcke said:
I hope they aren't affected by the severe, extreme flooding that is supposed to occur in the greater Sydney area. Fingers crossed!
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The current flood is in the north of Sydney ... region around Port Macquarie.
Neither my cousins nor David seem to be affected luckily

Introduction from an oldee newbee

I'm an old guy who has worked on small computers during the early 80s. I had to learn Unix to be able to run my first desktop which had 2 7.5 in floppies. You have eclipsed me with innovations and technical expertise, yet I'm still here persevering. I'm only entering into the world of Android, specifically to deGooglize to stop piracy of my data.

Lroszkow said:
I'm an old guy who has worked on small computers during the early 80s. I had to learn Unix to be able to run my first desktop which had 2 7.5 in floppies. You have eclipsed me with innovations and technical expertise, yet I'm still here persevering. I'm only entering into the world of Android, specifically to deGooglize to stop piracy of my data.
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You came to the right place, welcome aboard!

Presentation

I'm David. I used to develop Android apps a few years ago. I'm a server software developer. Even though my professional background, there are many things about the internals of phones that I don't know.

ronrong said:
I'm David. I used to develop Android apps a few years ago. I'm a server software developer. Even though my professional background, there are many things about the internals of phones that I don't know.
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Hey David, welcome aboard!