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Security/Firmware updates

This is one thing holding me back from Huawei phones. From my previous experience, Huawei don't offer a reliable schedule of security updates. You get a couple and they seem to move onto thier next release and forget everything else.
Are they still like this? How have you got on with previous Huawei phones?

I'm on the fence regarding this also - my previous experience was that UK devices had poor update support - while EU devices were far better - waiting to see this time (not fussed about missing out on any Watch/Charger promotion).

WhiteHartMart said:
I'm on the fence regarding this also - my previous experience was that UK devices had poor update support - while EU devices were far better - waiting to see this time (not fussed about missing out on any Watch/Charger promotion).
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very wise. also, if you give it a couple of months to see how it gets on the price will fall too. Might be worth buying from amazon.de before March 29th to retain EU warranty. Should get better updates from the EU phone. I've been told by a contact at Huawei, that the Three network are causing the delays in the UK. Even if your are on a different network!

Has a quick look to see how the Mate 10 pro is getting on with updates. Sadly its not good. Looks like most M10P users have been put off with the M20P for this reason. Why can't Huawei on this?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-10/help/uk-firmware-updates-thread-bla-l09-t3730944/page52

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Has a quick look to see how the Mate 10 pro is getting on with updates. Sadly its not good. Looks like most M10P users have been put off with the M20P for this reason. Why can't Huawei on this?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-10/help/uk-firmware-updates-thread-bla-l09-t3730944/page52
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What are u talking about? EU gets one update per month,'it's the most updated phone in Europe besides Pixel maybe
ppl whining cuz their carriers **** up things,one look at firmware finder and you'll see there's even too much updates

troublecro said:
What are u talking about? EU gets one update per month,'it's the most updated phone in Europe besides Pixel maybe
ppl whining cuz their carriers **** up things,one look at firmware finder and you'll see there's even too much updates
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I didn't get many on my last Huawei phone despite Firmware Finder. My Pixel gets them every month on the same network. That is why people are whining.

Change carriers. They obviously favor Google phones. I'm even bit unsatisfied by too many updates for Mate 10 pro cuz I like to factory reset phone after each.
Taking a look at FF they pushed out 16 updates for EU region in last 12 months. Champions of updates I'd say

troublecro said:
Change carriers. They obviously favor Google phones. I'm even bit unsatisfied by too many updates for Mate 10 pro cuz I like to factory reset phone after each.
Taking a look at FF they pushed out 16 updates for EU region in last 12 months. Champions of updates I'd say
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Thats really good to hear. Gives me more confidence!

Other regions weren't so lucky tho, like USA

troublecro said:
Change carriers. They obviously favor Google phones. I'm even bit unsatisfied by too many updates for Mate 10 pro cuz I like to factory reset phone after each.
Taking a look at FF they pushed out 16 updates for EU region in last 12 months. Champions of updates I'd say
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Trouble is from my experience EU had great update support, UK had poor support often 2 or 3 software updates behind (although I think security updates were a bit more regular). If I get a Mate 20 I’d be tempted to get a dual sim EU model over the single sim UK one.
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WhiteHartMart said:
Trouble is from my experience EU had great update support, UK had poor support often 2 or 3 software updates behind (although I think security updates were a bit more regular). If I get a Mate 20 I’d be tempted to get a dual sim EU model over the single sim UK one.
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This is why i use a pixel. Huawei in the UK seem to lag behind. Rumours are the 3 network is holding up precedings. This will affect you even if you're on a different network.

Several several years ago, I swore never to buy a Huawei phone again because of the horrendous lack of updates. Back then it was the enormous jump from KK to lollipop. Nexus devices back then we're about to jump to marshmallow before Huawei updated their phone to lollipop. This was on the Ascend Mate 7.
I am tempted to get the Mate 20 Pro, but am afraid of the lack of support. I'm debating on the Huawei phone vs the 6T at this point. Choices.. I enjoy wide angle lenses but also enjoy smooth stock android. If only the 6T had a wide angle lens, it wouldn't even be a debate for me.

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Several several years ago, I swore never to buy a Huawei phone again because of the horrendous lack of updates. Back then it was the enormous jump from KK to lollipop. Nexus devices back then we're about to jump to marshmallow before Huawei updated their phone to lollipop. This was on the Ascend Mate 7.
I am tempted to get the Mate 20 Pro, but am afraid of the lack of support. I'm debating on the Huawei phone vs the 6T at this point. Choices.. I enjoy wide angle lenses but also enjoy smooth stock android. If only the 6T had a wide angle lens, it wouldn't even be a debate for me.
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Same as me, I swore i'd never buy Huawei again because of their poor support. Its a lot of money to drop on a phone that will get dropped. Does anyone know how Android treble is working out for Huawei? Will this alleviate any fears?

I was complaining to my wife that my lg g7 only got one update since I got it. She, on the other hand, was annoyed because of how many updates she got since she had the p20 pro. Although, her phone was not bought from a carrier.
Or maybe Huawei has a new approach to updates? Considering the fact that they've stated numerous times that they want to become the #1 phone manufacturer, or beat samsung (something like that). And consistent updates would take a lot from samsung's market, knowing how inconsistent they are.
Also, huawei is one of the first to come with pie updates, which gives me confidence in them. "Don't forget about oneplus". Yeah, oneplus only has to worry about softwear, given the fact that their hardwear is borrowed from whatstheirface.

Mate 10 updates have been solid for me here in NZ, no issues with frequency of security updates.

There is one phone for UK/ EU this time. Put a sim inside, and it will OTA add your networks specific network settings/apps/maybe a splash screen. Factory reset, and everything is removed, including splash screen.
I am hoping this new system also means faster updates in the UK as well.
Will the Pixel get updates quicker and potentially for longer. Probably yes. That's the choice you have to make.

gavinfabl said:
There is one phone for UK/ EU this time. Put a sim inside, and it will OTA add your networks specific network settings/apps/maybe a splash screen. Factory reset, and everything is removed, including splash screen.
I am hoping this new system also means faster updates in the UK as well.
Will the Pixel get updates quicker and potentially for longer. Probably yes. That's the choice you have to make.
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Actually, it's even better than you describe. As far as security and OS updates are concerned, there's one phone for non-China and one phone for China. Previously we had software updates separated by branding (Asia/C636, Europe/C432, UK/C782, Middle East/C185) as well as by dual sim or single sim (L09/L29)
As things are with the new models, there is one firmware file for every non-Chinese Mate 20 Pro, and one firmware file for every Chinese Mate 20 Pro. Then there are separate files for branding-related changes which can be updated and packaged separately from the main firmware file.
The result is that one update file is valid for all of the non-Chinese phones, to update the features, security patch, etc.
This is a new thing with EMUI 9, and it will also apply to older phones updated to EMUI 9, like P20 series, Mate 10 series, so on.

My carrier Optus is unfortunately well known for failing to provide regular Huawei updates so hopefully I will eventually be able to debrand my Mate 20 Pro somehow.

If you're feeling unsure about security updates, this might make you feel better
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If you're feeling unsure about security updates, this might make you feel better
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LOL, clear as day that reply. Maybe until you are old and grey

Advice on which S20 FE version to get

Hello! Hope this is the right section to ask this.
I decided it's about time for my 3-years-old Honor V10 to retire. It had 6 GB RAM and 128 GB internal storage, plus a 128 GB SD card, making it 256 GB.
I like the S20 FE as it tickes all the boxes, including the expandable storage. Most comparable phones would either have 128 GB non expandable, or 256 GB, which would be either a downgrade or a waste of money for me since I already have a SD card.
However, as far as I understand, the Snapdragon version sold here in UK only has 6 GB RAM, is that correct?
If I wanted the RAM upgrade, I would have to order a non-EU version. It would be my first time, so this is my question: based on your experience, what are the pros and cons? Is it worth getting a Chinese unlocked version with only 1 year seller's warranty to get more RAM at a cheaper price, or should I stick with the more expensive 6 GB UK version?
Thank you in advance

I got the SM-G7810 8 gb ram for 520 euro a month ago on ebay tru T-dimension. A China store that ship's from (uk stock) to avoid taxes in Europe in 7 working days. You can look them up on trust pilot. My ram takes between 3.8 to 4.5 gb of use. It think after 2 years with new firmware and ui it will ask more.Maybe updates come slower with this Hong Kong version because android 11 still not here and still on December security patch.I did not want so spend more to have less ram and stuck with the exynos. I was lucky my unit have no screen issues, that's the risk you maybe take.

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I got the SM-G7810 8 gb ram for 520 euro a month ago on ebay tru T-dimension. A China store that ship's from (uk stock) to avoid taxes in Europe in 7 working days. You can look them up on trust pilot. My ram takes between 3.8 to 4.5 gb of use. It think after 2 years with new firmware and ui it will ask more.Maybe updates come slower with this Hong Kong version because android 11 still not here and still on December security patch.I did not want so spend more to have less ram and stuck with the exynos. I was lucky my unit have no screen issues, that's the risk you maybe take.
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Thanks! And apart from updates, did you have any issues? Is the phone filled with Chinese bloatware that is impossible to install, as I read somewhere else?

I would get the 8 gb ram variant especially with Android 10/11. My Note 10+ running on Pie with only 2 windows open right now is using 6.8 of its 12 gb of ram.
You can't never have too much ram... Android can use all it gets.

Ringo90 said:
Thanks! And apart from updates, did you have any issues? Is the phone filled with Chinese bloatware that is impossible to install, as I read somewhere else?
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Most of the software works fine except. edge lightning for notification sucks for 3th party apps. It also affect other series I searched.I use oadnotify from play store and works great with small battery useage. It have not much bloatware pre installed . Battery life is great on this device.

Thank you very much for your advice.
In the end, I found out merely by chance that, if you dig a bit more, the Samsung UK official shop is actually selling the 8/256 GB version for 750 bucks.
So though it's a bit over the budget I had originally planned, and the extra storage was not needed, I decided to go for it since it has the RAM and the processor I wanted plus the peace of mind of buying an EU firmware device from the manufacturer.
So for anyone interested, in UK this version is actually available though the Samsung website is the only one currently selling it and you have to dig to find it (feel free to ask for help).
Still a mystery to me on why they're keeping it so hidden, only answer would be that they want to push the other more expensive S20 devices.

Ringo90 said:
Thank you very much for your advice.
In the end, I found out merely by chance that, if you dig a bit more, the Samsung UK official shop is actually selling the 8/256 GB version for 750 bucks.
So though it's a bit over the budget I had originally planned, and the extra storage was not needed, I decided to go for it since it has the RAM and the processor I wanted plus the peace of mind of buying an EU firmware device from the manufacturer.
So for anyone interested, in UK this version is actually available though the Samsung website is the only one currently selling it and you have to dig to find it (feel free to ask for help).
Still a mystery to me on why they're keeping it so hidden, only answer would be that they want to push the other more expensive S20 devices.
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Don't forget it's probably the 4g version if I don't mistake while Hong Kong got 5g . Today I received android 11.

Don1003 said:
Don't forget it's probably the 4g version if I don't mistake while Hong Kong got 5g . Today I received android 11.
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No bro, it's 5G. This is a screenshot from my order (phone will come tomorrow)
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Glad the HK version is finally receiving the update.

Ringo90 said:
No bro, it's 5G. This is a screenshot from my order (phone will come tomorrow)View attachment 5202005
Glad the HK version is finally receiving the update.
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enjoy

Is the bootloader unlocked in Hong Kong version?

Don1003 said:
Most of the software works fine except. edge lightning for notification sucks for 3th party apps. It also affect other series I searched.I use oadnotify from play store and works great with small battery useage. It have not much bloatware pre installed . Battery life is great on this device.
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Hi, do you find 5g in your country when you enable 5G in setting?

Niiha said:
Hi, do you find 5g in your country when you enable 5G in setting?
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My provider don't have 5g available yet.but you can select manual what you want in network settings.

Don1003 said:
My provider don't have 5g available yet.but you can select manual what you want in network settings.
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Yes i do it but i think the software leachs 5g, i can't detect it.

Question Global Version AT&T After 3G Shutdown

I see the global version supports wifi calling and VOLTE and has as much band support as my Huawei P30 Pro so the coverage should be fine but will this phone actually work on AT&T after the 3g shutdown? I've read forums where people "call" *#somenumbers*#" and it lets them turn on VOLTE without the carrier checking compatibility. Any advice or input would be great. I really hate iPhones and Samsungs which seems to be all US carriers want to support.

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I see the global version supports wifi calling and VOLTE and has as much band support as my Huawei P30 Pro so the coverage should be fine but will this phone actually work on AT&T after the 3g shutdown? I've read forums where people "call" *#somenumbers*#" and it lets them turn on VOLTE without the carrier checking compatibility. Any advice or input would be great. I really hate iPhones and Samsungs which seems to be all US carriers want to support.
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I'm on Tmobile works perfectly on 4G LTE. 3G isn't an issue as that only applies to phones that rely on 3G data and Yes, VoLTE works!

That's good to know because ATT is basically trying to force me to buy one of maybe 3 phones. I wish I could keep my P30 Pro but I cant seem to get the update that enables VOLTE so I need a new phone and this seems much nicer then the new Samsung.

pseriesjim said:
That's good to know because ATT is basically trying to force me to buy one of maybe 3 phones. I wish I could keep my P30 Pro but I cant seem to get the update that enables VOLTE so I need a new phone and this seems much nicer then the new Samsung.
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Just have to know the phone dialer codes and your phone will run both VoLTE and VoWiFi. Just do a Google search for them.

jim262 said:
Just have to know the phone dialer codes and your phone will run both VoLTE and VoWiFi. Just do a Google search for them.
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I tried that already, I don't see any codes to unlock the options on my phone. I think the APN is part of the problem. I was told to use NXTGENPHONE. Further research shows that ATT doesn't allow any thing they don't approve to use VoLTE or VoWiFi regardless if the phone has the feature. Unless you know a sneaky way around this, I suspect the Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra won't work either.

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I tried that already, I don't see any codes to unlock the options on my phone. I think the APN is part of the problem. I was told to use NXTGENPHONE.
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Here are the code for xiaomi:
VoLTE *#*#86583#*#*
VoWiFi/WLAN *#*#869434#*#*

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Here are the code for xiaomi:
VoLTE *#*#86583#*#*
VoWiFi/WLAN *#*#869434#*#*
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Those codes bypass ATT verifying the phone and enable the features?

pseriesjim said:
Those codes bypass ATT verifying the phone and enable the features?
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Yes. That's what they do for all carriers, I believe.

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Yes. That's what they do for all carriers, I believe.
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I just want to confirm that you have the global rom version and not the Chinese rom. I'd hate to spend $1,000 on a phone that only works for 6 months

I bought the Chinese version and have tried all roms, but settled on the rom from Xiaomi.eu as there are far more features and less bloat. BTW, the Chinese variant now sells for around $900 from Giztop for the base model. I bought my 12/256 for $1045 when it was first released. I heard the Global variant was selling as high as $1300. Considerable savings going with the China variant, waiting a week, unlocking the bootloader and flashing another rom.

jim262 said:
I bought the Chinese version and have tried all roms, but settled on the rom from Xiaomi.eu as there are far more features and less bloat. BTW, the Chinese variant now sells for around $900 from Giztop for the base model. I bought my 12/256 for $1045 when it was first released. I heard the Global variant was selling as high as $1300. Considerable savings going with the China variant, waiting a week, unlocking the bootloader and flashing another rom.
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I've been reading that having the Chinese version causes issues with AT&T specifically and no one can seem to confirm that having either rom will work with ATT after the 3g shutdown. My current phone, the Huawei p30 Pro is the global version that had the most ATT frequencies of the p30 series but apparently the only version that doesn't have VOLTE. I just don't want to spend $1,000 on a new phone that has no guarantee of working after the shutdown or even on the 5g network. According to the frequency lists online, the Chinese version doesn't support ATT 5g. Is there any difference in hardware between the global and Chinese variant or is the only difference the ROM installed on it? Meaning does the rom determine the frequencies supported?

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I've been reading that having the Chinese version causes issues with AT&T specifically and no one can seem to confirm that having either rom will work with ATT after the 3g shutdown. My current phone, the Huawei p30 Pro is the global version that had the most ATT frequencies of the p30 series but apparently the only version that doesn't have VOLTE. I just don't want to spend $1,000 on a new phone that has no guarantee of working after the shutdown or even on the 5g network. According to the frequency lists online, the Chinese version doesn't support ATT 5g. Is there any difference in hardware between the global and Chinese variant or is the only difference the ROM installed on it? Meaning does the rom determine the frequencies supported?
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The hardware on the Chinese version and the Global are exactly the same. If you wish to spend more money, go right ahead. But I would buy the Chinese variant, wait a week, unlock the bootloader and flash to global rom.

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The hardware on the Chinese version and the Global are exactly the same. If you wish to spend more money, go right ahead. But I would buy the Chinese variant, wait a week, unlock the bootloader and flash to global rom.
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Saving money is what I'm all about. Do you know of a guide to flashing the rom? I've never used twrp or any of that sort of software. Any guides on this phone specifically would be great.

So I found a YouTube video that seems pretty straight forward:
After you flashed the new rom does your phone auto update? Can you go to settings and get updates through the GUI or do you manually have to connect it to the PC and flash it each time ?

pseriesjim said:
Saving money is what I'm all about. Do you know of a guide to flashing the rom? I've never used twrp or any of that sort of software. Any guides on this phone specifically would be great.
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The guides are for stock on the Xiaomi site and for the custom rom Xiaomi.eu or on this website. Just got to look.

pseriesjim said:
So I found a YouTube video that seems pretty straight forward:
After you flashed the new rom does your phone auto update? Can you go to settings and get updates through the GUI or do you manually have to connect it to the PC and flash it each time ?
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YES, it recieves OTAs

Here's the link for the Xiaomi stock roms. https://c.mi.com//miuidownload/detail?device=1900395
Here is the info for the Xiaomi.eu rom: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...mi-eu-rom-for-xiaomi-mi-11-pro-ultra.4260617/

I decided not to buy the phone after speaking with a few people from AT&T. They informed me that the way AT&T will be deploying the mandatory VOLTE would render the phone useless based on their encryption. Because the phone is not white listed they will not send the required encryption to the phone so VOLTE would not activate after the 3G shutdown and if it somehow was activated before, they would deactivate it on the shutdown date. It is really proving that living here in the US is not a great as it once was. We are now being forced to pick 1 of 3 phone companies. Apple, Samsung or the google Pixel. I assume since they paid the most in back end deals. All of which I hate. Looks like
I'll be hacking/rooting a Samsung. If anyone knows of a theme to make a Samsung look like a Huawei, please post it here. Very disappointed to lose my IR blaster and all the better various hardware that these overseas phones have to offer. Uncle Sam said no.

pseriesjim said:
I decided not to buy the phone after speaking with a few people from AT&T. They informed me that the way AT&T will be deploying the mandatory VOLTE would render the phone useless based on their encryption. Because the phone is not white listed they will not send the required encryption to the phone so VOLTE would not activate after the 3G shutdown and if it somehow was activated before, they would deactivate it on the shutdown date. It is really proving that living here in the US is not a great as it once was. We are now being forced to pick 1 of 3 phone companies. Apple, Samsung or the google Pixel. I assume since they paid the most in back end deals. All of which I hate. Looks like
I'll be hacking/rooting a Samsung. If anyone knows of a theme to make a Samsung look like a Huawei, please post it here. Very disappointed to lose my IR blaster and all the better various hardware that these overseas phones have to offer. Uncle Sam said no.
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FIrst of all, I would switch networks. No question on that one, as they are trying to force you to buy the phones that they sell. Also, if you are using a Snapdragon variant of a Samsung used in the United States, you will not be able to unlock the bootloader and/or root it. That is only possible on the exynos variants, which are probably not whitelisted on AT&T.

General X70 pro+ with Origin OS—Initial Review

A Happy New Year to everyone!
Today, when I received the first upgrade of Ocean OS (for Chinese model V2145A) I was thinking, maybe it's time for a little evaluation of the phone.
First thing first: why the Chinese X70 pro+?
It's not the money. After a bad experience with Trading Shengzheng which delayed the purchase for one month, I bought the phone from Wondamobile, but time was not on my side anymore. Weakened € comparing to $ and high demand for the phone drove the price up, and I paid over €1000.
So why the Chinese one? I needed a new phone and I didn't want to wait anymore, besides the global phone was not a reality, even the Indian one was vague at that time. And I really like Chinese phones, this is not my first Vivo, and before I was a lot on Huawei. They usually offer so much versatility and when you get the hang of Chinese configuration you can really make a phone the western one. And talking about the bloatware, a lot of western made phones are massively contaminated too.
Why Vivo?
I'm a kind of character that cares about freedom, I don't want the technical equipment to dictate me configuration, I want to configure my phone myself as I pleased. I started with Motorola when it was a US company, switched to Huawei after its decomposition and finally found a new company giving me enough space about customization in Vivo. Even their Chinese models obviously adapted to Chinese market are open enough and enable customization beyond any other models I've tried, and believe me, I've seen and tried a lot.
Not to mention the perfect state-of-the-art hardware, frequently upgraded and reliable software and excellent battery life.
So, what comes with the OCEAN OS?
Nothing much for westerns at first glance. You can't find most of the improvements you can see on introductory videos (like:
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) on my phone. Yes, you might find them nice and useful, especially if you're an IOS fan, because the new Origin OS is basically an advanced and more featured version of the last IOS. But if you are staying with the original system configuration, you'll face Chinese letters too now and then.
But all new functional applications (Walkman, health, timer, dynamic wallpapers, notifications...) are easy to remove and that is exactly what I did. As you can see in attached pictures, I'm staying with the old fashion android configuration.
And I'm grateful to Vivo allowing me my own customization of the phone after upgrade.
But getting deeper, a lot has been changed anyway. We are talking about a complete system remake, nearly 7GB heavy. Therefore, it's Android 14, polished, totally new look, a better screen, nicer calling app, more useful camera settings and much more. The Origin Os becomes mature with the new upgrade.
The highlights: Display, Camera, Battery, Design
As you can see, the display really shines, serves it purpose in all conditions, and it's a Samsung's masterpiece of 2021.
What about battery? I must admit, I don't measure SOT anymore. Basically, there are two types of phones regarding battery for me: with sufficient and insufficient battery. In between is a gray zone that doesn't really mean anything.
And where is Vivo with the battery. It sevrves its purpose. That means, that for my type of use it usually last two days, sometimes one and something, but never, really never leaves me struggling with the power during one day. I consider myself as a heavy user regarding internet and apps, but I don't do games and don't use stuff around facebook.
About camera: I'm attaching a few comparison photos from X70 pro+ and from Iphone 13 pro max but Vivo is with the initial Origin OS (no Ocean). I consider Iphone slightly better at that time. But after that came two Oceans upgrade and especially the last one targets camera too. I think that regarding dedicated imaging chip, Vivo has a room for improvement. According to the DXOMark data the most worrisome issue in that matter is a slow autofocus: https://www.dxomark.com/vivo-x70-pro-plus-camera-review-flagship-level-camera/
But, as I said, it's too early for a fair camera evaluation, more shooting has to be done and maybe the new system had improved the camera already.
And design: One of the reason I wanted the Chinese phone is that I'm really fed up with the back glass phones. They are heavy and fragile. I really like my faux leader. And it has a good grip, finally I use the phone without a case (except in longer rough outdoor conditions).
On the other side, the long and narrow shape of the phone is not very stable with one hand manipulation. The Iphone 13 pro max is for example heavier, but one hand navigation is somehow easier.
I used to like larger phones, but I changed my mind. Now I believe that previous 6.56 inches phone screens were just right.
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Thanks for the review! I received my Chinese X70 Pro Plus from WondaMobile on 5th January and despite its quirks and spending a good couple of hours over ADB uninstalling apps, customising and tweaking notifications so they work, I'm genuinely over the moon with it. I have to agree with you on the level of customisation too - there is so much of this device you can make your own!
I've not had the Ocean update yet but the beta program is full so I guess I'll just have to wait a bit longer for the official roll out!

Hi,
I am considering the vivo x70 pro plus as my new mobile phone. Would you recommend it ? I am looking to buy it on traiding shenzen or Wondamobile. I regret that there is no possibility to install global version of the software. Did you pay a tax when you receive the package ? I am from Poland.

Mariuszuzd said:
Hi,
I am considering the vivo x70 pro plus as my new mobile phone. Would you recommend it ? I am looking to buy it on traiding shenzen or Wondamobile. I regret that there is no possibility to install global version of the software. Did you pay a tax when you receive the package ? I am from Poland.
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I bought it from Wonda Mobile, no import tax (Italy)

Hi,
One question, normally would you have tax, if you buy something outsider the EU in Italy? Are you satisfied with the phone ?

Mariuszuzd said:
Hi,
I am considering the vivo x70 pro plus as my new mobile phone. Would you recommend it ? I am looking to buy it on traiding shenzen or Wondamobile. I regret that there is no possibility to install global version of the software. Did you pay a tax when you receive the package ? I am from Poland.
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Wonda pays the tax, there is no import duties at all. And they are reliable. If you want to have a global model, I believe that you can buy it on Ebay now and then. But I wouldn't do that. It's not just a money, when I bought it, it hasn't been cheap at all. It is all about user experience.

Okay, understand. Final question, so you confirm the positive outcome and review? The phone is worth buying? I am considering mi 11 ultra, mi12 pro, OnePlus 9 pro or 10 pro and 70 pro plus. I watched several reviews on YouTube, but I am wondering if those could be paid. Better ask some who really use the phone. 5g, vowifi, volte, all is working in the Italy?

Mariuszuzd said:
Okay, understand. Final question, so you confirm the positive outcome and review? The phone is worth buying? I am considering mi 11 ultra, mi12 pro, OnePlus 9 pro or 10 pro and 70 pro plus. I watched several reviews on YouTube, but I am wondering if those could be paid. Better ask some who really use the phone. 5g, vowifi, volte, all is working in the Italy?
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For me it's a great phone. In Italy Vodafone Volte works during phone call; I don't have a 5G plan so I can't reply.

Mariuszuzd said:
Okay, understand. Final question, so you confirm the positive outcome and review? The phone is worth buying? I am considering mi 11 ultra, mi12 pro, OnePlus 9 pro or 10 pro and 70 pro plus. I watched several reviews on YouTube, but I am wondering if those could be paid. Better ask some who really use the phone. 5g, vowifi, volte, all is working in the Italy?
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5g works, my operator doesn't provide volte nor vowifi. But i have switches for both options.
In Italy you have every 5g band but mmwave (26GHz) covered.

Thank you for the reply. What about google pay, it works? Any issues with installing the apps from play store? Have you noticed anything which can be important to mention to potential buyer. I watched almost all reviews but those are not focusing on the system itself. I am a bit afraid of the optimalization and the software of that phone.

Mariuszuzd said:
Thank you for the reply. What about google pay, it works? Any issues with installing the apps from play store? Have you noticed anything which can be important to mention to potential buyer. I watched almost all reviews but those are not focusing on the system itself. I am a bit afraid of the optimalization and the software of that phone.
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Google Pay works, no problem with bank apps or any app installed from GPlay. Just two exceptions: hotword and Android Auto don't work. This is due to the latest Google configuration demanding both to be system apps. Everything else work just fine.
If you are familiar with customization of the phone, you have nothing to worry about. And there are plenty of instructions around.

piskr said:
Google Pay works, no problem with bank apps or any app installed from GPlay. Just two exceptions: hotword and Android Auto don't work. This is due to the latest Google configuration demanding both to be system apps. Everything else work just fine.
If you are familiar with customization of the phone, you have nothing to worry about. And there are plenty of instructions around.
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Even WearOS watch doesn't work with Global app. You have to download WearOS app from Vivo App Store but doing that way Google Pay doesn't work from the watch.

maxant69 said:
Even WearOS watch doesn't work with Global app. You have to download WearOS app from Vivo App Store but doing that way Google Pay doesn't work from the watch.
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Can't really tell. Never used a smart watch and neither intend to, my central intelligent device was always a phone. The watch functionality seems always to limited to me to bother. Small screen, 1 more device to worry about battery and get little in return really never attracted me. Know people bought smart watches and abandoned them soon after.

hello I have x70 pro plus Chinese version, have you solved the problem with the notifications? I have activated all permissions and I work in the background but gmail and other applications arrive late

piskr said:
Can't really tell. Never used a smart watch and neither intend to, my central intelligent device was always a phone. The watch functionality seems always to limited to me to bother. Small screen, 1 more device to worry about battery and get little in return really never attracted me. Know people bought smart watches and abandoned them soon after.
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WearOs is pure garbage, but it doesn't complete work on chinese firmware. I someone wants a smartwatch better stay away from it and buy other brand (Huawei, Amazfit, Mi..)

lucaluca72 said:
hello I have x70 pro plus Chinese version, have you solved the problem with the notifications? I have activated all permissions and I work in the background but gmail and other applications arrive late
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Did you remove/disable com.vivo.pem?

piskr said:
Google Pay works, no problem with bank apps or any app installed from GPlay. Just two exceptions: hotword and Android Auto don't work. This is due to the latest Google configuration demanding both to be system apps. Everything else work just fine.
If you are familiar with customization of the phone, you have nothing to worry about. And there are plenty of instructions around.
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Guys, yesterday I received the third update since I was on Ocean. This time it addressed better functionality of this party apps among others and implemented January security patch. Although it is beta it appears pretty stable already. I believe that the stable version is very close.

I"m waiting for confirmation and working of android auto. At the moment that is a big issue and Android auto is not working on any Vivo phone. I have seen some posts regarding the X60.

Mariuszuzd said:
I"m waiting for confirmation and working of android auto. At the moment that is a big issue and Android auto is not working on any Vivo phone. I have seen some posts regarding the X60.
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And it won't as long as Google keeps request to be a system app. I believe that it's a total longshot. Hence I started to look for alternative solutions.
One I currently use is involving a intermediate element between the phone and the headunit. I use one old tablet with broken glass for the purpose and it works perfectly with limitations. The limitation is that I must use sip on the tablet if I want to call someone through the headunit and there is no way to accept the call this way.
But all other AA functions works flawlessly (music, maps, streaming) through hotspot from the phone.
In order to have working calling and hotword function I ordered a dedicated mid gadget which supposed to support that. I'll tell more after receiving it.

Mariuszuzd said:
I"m waiting for confirmation and working of android auto. At the moment that is a big issue and Android auto is not working on any Vivo phone. I have seen some posts regarding the X60.
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Android Auto won't work on Vivo devices with Android 11 and up.
It works for example on Vivo X50 Pro Plus because is still on Android 10.

Question any 3rd rom have a plan for this device?

like PE or something else.

I've sent an email to Xiaomi to ask when the Global release will be. I purchased the Note 12 Pro here as a 'Global' version but it ended up being some modified Chinese ROM with a factory unlocked bootloader so I couldn't even use GAPPS and a bunch of other apps (super annoying). So now it's just sitting in the cupboard until a Global or other ROM is release for the phone...
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reeper250 said:
I've sent an email to Xiaomi to ask when the Global release will be. I purchased the Note 12 Pro here as a 'Global' version but it ended up being some modified Chinese ROM with a factory unlocked bootloader so I couldn't even use GAPPS and a bunch of other apps (super annoying). So now it's just sitting in the cupboard until a Global or other ROM is release for the phone...
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I flashed india rom yesterday.

reeper250 said:
I've sent an email to Xiaomi to ask when the Global release will be. I purchased the Note 12 Pro here as a 'Global' version but it ended up being some modified Chinese ROM with a factory unlocked bootloader so I couldn't even use GAPPS and a bunch of other apps (super annoying). So now it's just sitting in the cupboard until a Global or other ROM is release for the phone...
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I purchased the same phone but opted for the basic CN rom and the box was sent sealed. I'm currently waiting for the bootloader to be allowed to be unlocked (official way 168hrs) and have left it unused after setting it up.
Google services/apps CAN be added/allowed anyway on the CN rom under accounts (you'll see it there, enable it), then install the latest google play apk and any other apps you want. I have the phone at 99% how I like it and may keep it as is because gpay works. You can also use ADBAppControl to remove bloatware and if you bang a launcher on (I'm using Nova) you'll not notice. If you're gonna flash it anyway you might as well try the above and see if it is good enough for you. At least you can play with your new toy

galenzha0 said:
like PE or something else.
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No or few development for Xiaomi with Mediatek processors.

My bootloader is now unlocked and I'm hoping that xiaomi.eu will make a rom for it. It can stay in it's box till they do, or we get a global rom. Can't be long really.

launton said:
I purchased the same phone but opted for the basic CN rom and the box was sent sealed. I'm currently waiting for the bootloader to be allowed to be unlocked (official way 168hrs) and have left it unused after setting it up.
Google services/apps CAN be added/allowed anyway on the CN rom under accounts (you'll see it there, enable it), then install the latest google play apk and any other apps you want. I have the phone at 99% how I like it and may keep it as is because gpay works. You can also use ADBAppControl to remove bloatware and if you bang a launcher on (I'm using Nova) you'll not notice. If you're gonna flash it anyway you might as well try the above and see if it is good enough for you. At least you can play with your new toy
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I managed to get GAPPS on it, but still can't use WearOS which is a pain.. Other than that, I have Google Pay, Play Store, etc on it. I'll give ADBAppControl a go. The Chinese apps are a bit annoying with all the notifications (even after disabling notifications...)
Had this guy help me since he has an authorized account: [email protected]
Been using both my Redmi Note 9 Pro and this Note 12 Pro. The 12 is much, much smoother but I'm not super impressed with the camera though. The Samsung camera looks way better.

reeper250 said:
I managed to get GAPPS on it, but still can't use WearOS which is a pain.. Other than that, I have Google Pay, Play Store, etc on it. I'll give ADBAppControl a go. The Chinese apps are a bit annoying with all the notifications (even after disabling notifications...)
Had this guy help me since he has an authorized account: [email protected]
Been using both my Redmi Note 9 Pro and this Note 12 Pro. The 12 is much, much smoother but I'm not super impressed with the camera though. The Samsung camera looks way better.
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I found a video online comparing the samsung cam against the sony and couldn't see that mugh difference and gcam seems 'ok' on it. I can't use gpay cos the nfc isn't active, I'm not sure if I can use the nfc on my pixel watch to pass the info back to the phone via BT for purchases. Might try that when/if a proper global rom is out. The india rom is fine for 99% of it all for me.

I bought the Chinese version. I hated the limitations and crap not working correctly with the Chinese rom, so I flashed the Indian (Global) rom the day it was available and it's great!
I'm definitely waiting for a xiaomi.eu rom though as there's still some things missing. Gamepad support and Google Pay are 2 that I can think of right now.
I live in Canada.

Someone has asked over on xiaomi.eu, and as the phones processor isn't snapdragon, support might not be looked into. Just have to wait and see I guess.

launton said:
Someone has asked over on xiaomi.eu, and as the phones processor isn't snapdragon, support might not be looked into. Just have to wait and see I guess.
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Holy crap. I really hope that's not the case. I would settle for something like Lineage or Arrow ROMs, but I would really like a stock, debloated rom with missing features added.

launton said:
Someone has asked over on xiaomi.eu, and as the phones processor isn't snapdragon, support might not be looked into. Just have to wait and see I guess.
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If you are numerous, it remains possible but not free.
https://xiaomi.eu/community/threads/community-funded-mediatek-support-initiative.66319/

I've subscribed. Fingers crossed and thank you.

reeper250 said:
I've sent an email to Xiaomi to ask when the Global release will be. I purchased the Note 12 Pro here as a 'Global' version but it ended up being some modified Chinese ROM with a factory unlocked bootloader so I couldn't even use GAPPS and a bunch of other apps (super annoying). So now it's just sitting in the cupboard until a Global or other ROM is release for the phone...
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It's always written Global on the phone but the reality is different.
Following your purchase link, I see according to this screenshot.
13.0.6.0 SMOMIXM MI=Global except there is no global rom for this model, 22101316I(Indian), 22101316C(Chinese).AliExpress to avoid.fake rom specialist.
Spoiler: CODES
EUXM=EEA Europe
MIXM=Global
TRXM=Turkey
RUXM=Russia
INXM=India
JPXM=Japan
IDXM=Indonesia
TWXM=Taiwan
CNXM=China
DEV=Public Beta