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Hello XDA-Developers,
I have to write something about Bill Gates & Steve Jobs.
For that I need some Polls
Would be nice if you could help me, just vote
First Poll:
[22.01 Which Microsoft OS' you like most?]
I made my vote...but if you had windows 7 as a choice it would've been my pick.
Windows for Workgroups 3.11
My vote goes to XP, the best OS i have ever seen, vista and W-Se7en are the biggest POS ever built
xp for me.....well x64 xp
but having to use vista at home....i miss xp
What about Windows 7 ?! It's the best OS ever made.
Should of had WinNT in that list.
GWelker62 said:
Should of had WinNT in that list.
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which version, there were several?
but dos was the best os. nice and stable.. and plenty fast.
liamhere said:
but having to use vista at home....i miss xp
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if you miss it then dual boot, that should give you your "xp-fix".
but if you have a core2 duo or above with 2gb or more memory and a sensible video card vista will run petty nice.
I've gotten so used to vista so when I go over to my friend's house I get pissed because I have to use xp. it's the truth, so I think I know what you're going through but in reverse.
on my rig I wouldn't dear desecrate it's inner tubes with xp. I don't mean to start a flame war but I had to say it.
vista is good on up to date hardware, well actually the only things that really needs to upgrade in the system is the video card and memory, even an old p4 would run it well.
I setup my brother's rig with a 939 socket athlon 3500, 2gb mem and an nvidia 8600gt and vista ran smoothly. (and this isn't even up to date hardware)
the key for better vista performance is: add more memory!
does anyone remember when xp just came out and OEMs shipped it with 256mb memory and it ran like molases? and how there was a huge hoopla about it until they started shipping them with 512mb? but in reality the sweet spot for xp was 1gb memory or more. it's the same thing with vista now, people try to run it on 1gb memory when the sweet spot is 2gb or more.
the driver issues was the manufacturers' fault because they sat on their asses until the last minute, but that issue has been ironed out for a while now so that shouldn't be a problem anymore.
I know others have a lot to say about the reason they prefer xp. but it all boils down to a user's preference.
PS: I know there are passionate people here so if anyone is going go reply to my post please leave the flame-throwers at home.
worst thing with old nt4 was that one could not reinstall it without a format
so if it required a reinstall you'd best have a full backup of your data
Another vote for Vista. Currently running 64 and 32 versions at home (gaming PC and HTPC), as well as XP (Laptop) and W2K (photoframe) so have lots of experience of each.
Just as Lennie said, so long as Vista has enough RAM to operate it's lovely. I've gotten so used to it's new little shortcuts that I find XP cumbersome now sometimes. Please don't take this as dissing XP, it's still a lovely system, but Vista was built as an improvement on XP and I personally think they succeeded.
Haven't tried W7 yet, guess I probably will if it starts gaming better than Vista.
Again - this is my own opinion and not a salvo in a flame war. If you love XP over Vista, so long as you're talking from experience and not prejudice then fair play to you.
Thank you for your post and answers
I will open a new thread in the day.
But first I need a idea for a poll about Apple Products
scilor said:
But first I need a idea for a poll about Apple Products
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Does the hype surrounding all Apple products make you more likely to buy them, or less?
Who do you feel has the control at Apple:
- The engineers
- The consumer research dept
- The marketing dept
Or simply, in your experience did your Apple product live up to your expectations?
I'd be interested to see the answers to those personally.
scilor said:
But first I need a idea for a poll about Apple Products
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Now that Steve Jobs has taken a medical leave of absence, soon to retire ( pancreatic cancer ) , what will become of Apple?
1). Apple will keep on it's current path, because it's products are superior in quality and design, no matter who runs the company.
2). Apple will lose it's lustre because the product quality and design will go down hill under new management
3).The products have always been crap, Steve Jobs is just the ultimate salesman, so goodbye Apple market share.
4). The Apple mystique is ingrained , it is not about Steve Jobs or the quality and design, the Apple fanbois will continue to buy no matter what.
Or something like that.
denco7 said:
Now that Steve Jobs has taken a medical leave of absence, soon to retire ( pancreatic cancer ) , what will become of Apple?
3).The products have always been crap, Steve Jobs is just the ultimate salesman, so goodbye Apple market share.
4). The Apple mystique is ingrained , it is not about Steve Jobs or the quality and design, the Apple fanbois will continue to buy no matter what.
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I second this
5) on the desktop market apart from fancy games more and more tasks are moved
to the browser and google is having a field day apple vs. ms is becoming less and less
and issue apart from on the mobile platform where browsers are less easy to access then dedicated apps
so it's iphone vs. wm rather then macosx vs. windows now
have any1 tried it already?
i bring this up, cuz this already being around the web.
Why do people kept asking for ridiculous things?
yeah its not like were gonna develop app on win 95 anyway.. i think this is just for being "cool". "Hey friends, i'm cool i have win95 on my xperia!"
Possbile
but i think ubuntu 8 is better.
Look here its been discussed before
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362344
Ok i know win 95 is lame... but how bout meamo? as i read this
"Computer Science students at the Hamburogh Institute of Technology have successfully ported maemo to the iPhone and HTC Touch Pro. They say they are running it under virtualization technology (similar to VM Ware), so its not really a port, but it does run.
The virtulization app is available for jailbroken iPhones, as well as for any WinMo phone with a large enough resolution. No word on a release date."
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Ok i know win 95 is lame... but how bout meamo? as i read this
"Computer Science students at the Hamburogh Institute of Technology have successfully ported maemo to the iPhone and HTC Touch Pro. They say they are running it under virtualization technology (similar to VM Ware), so its not really a port, but it does run.
The virtulization app is available for jailbroken iPhones, as well as for any WinMo phone with a large enough resolution. No word on a release date."
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maemo is runing fine on xperia
just do an google
be carefull you need to be an 'geek' to run it
is not easy
jerpelea said:
maemo is runing fine on xperia
just do an google
be carefull you need to be an 'geek' to run it
is not easy
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meamo ported to x1 already?
got to try this if its happening
Let the battle continue here.
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An army of pacifists can be defeated by one man with the will to fight.
I still prefer Linux...
MichaelMcEntire said:
I still prefer Linux...
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I agree, however I'm in the "don't have time to deal with getting wine to work on critical apps" boat, so I use Windows.
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An army of pacifists can be defeated by one man with the will to fight.
I take both linux (gentoo, ubuntu, centos for server) and windows 7 over mac-os. If you realllly think that insecure pile of crap apple makes is better you need to stop choking on jobs rod
MichaelMcEntire said:
I still prefer Linux...
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Lol. x2
Running Kubuntu 10.04 myself...
windows 7 <3
Techrocket9 said:
I agree, however I'm in the "don't have time to deal with getting wine to work on critical apps" boat, so I use Windows.
An army of pacifists can be defeated by one man with the will to fight.
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I always use a virtual machine to run any windows stuff I need. Then again I'm not a PC gamer. Gaming is the only large weakness I see.
MichaelMcEntire said:
I still prefer Linux...
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which distro ?
chrisctb said:
windows 7 <3
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Windows 7 Ultimate - for the win =]
Simon_WM said:
Windows 7 Ultimate - for the win =]
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definetly!
PC has the games and the higher Gee bees and the wifis. Thread over.
Topgun966 said:
I take both linux (gentoo, ubuntu, centos for server) and windows 7 over mac-os. If you realllly think that insecure pile of crap apple makes is better you need to stop choking on jobs rod
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agree and the irony is I am typing this post on a macbook pro =)
gotta love the irony =)
however after using the mac osx a night, it made me realize the blaring weaknesses of the steve jobs machines. Don't get me wrong magnetic charger is a fantastic idea, but that's about it. Its the same thing as other laptops on the market except price tag and status. I mean I got this macbook pro for 700 bucks but like I'll sell it for 1000 at least XD
i dont see the point in owning a mac when you need parallels to do things that a mac can't do. might as well just run a windows machine and save yourself $3k.
cnstarz said:
i dont see the point in owning a mac when you need parallels to do things that a mac can't do. might as well just run a windows machine and save yourself $3k.
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And this really sums it up right here.
I just dont understand why youd pay extra for the same hardware...
The best macbook is about as good as a high-mid-end laptop, its insane.
Im running windows XP, but thats because my computer is a turd.
I've just finished my new build though, just waiting on a better power supply and she'll be running windows 7.
I see no benifits of apples OS over windows....
Anyone feel like explaining them?
Same here
Windows 7 over any other OS
Windows Mobile and or Windows Phone 7 over any other too
Windows for life
I'm a linux man.
Linux on my phone (kinda, android)
Linux on my PC's (Ubuntu + Kubuntu)
But I do need Windows Vista (euuggghhghg) for Steam Games and stuff.
Mac OS is better because it can run windows.
Lol j/k. I'm winodws all they way, and also used to use Linux (Ubuntu) but was getting annoyed with the dual boot screen at startup so I just put on Windows XP(that was back in the day). Now I'm running W7 Ultimate.
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which distro ?
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I actually still prefer Ubuntu with gnome, I've tried other distros but none have worked out as well. It all comes down to what you use an OS for. I like speed and stability. I use my home computer for an HTPC/ internet entertainment box ( no real need for big name games I use the ps3 for that). I like having an OS I can really customize (probably also why I like Android). The lack of worry for viruses is also very nice.
However if you have a need for high end gaming or more commercial software I'm sure you would be better off with OSX or Windows.
Are there any posibilities that we can run Windows xp on the tablet some day?
i've seen a video that runs ubuntu, i dont want to see the word "ubuntu" in this whole thread please, thanks.
if there are possibilities.. how can we start, should i make a facebook page where we all manifest our feelings?
Reason in my case: i have some especial software that only run on windows xp, and also a couple of games specially Ragnarok Online (private server) that i play.
What I'd be a lot more interested in is a version of wine running on the Tab, either directly (which seems rather unlikely) or inside that brilliant OS that you don't want mentioned.
I wouldnt use windows xp to use any internet browser
because i'm sick of the Spyware/Malware BS! but some software would be nice like:
GRAPHICAL ftp client, DreamWeaver, Macromedia Flash, Notepad ++
i'm an amateur Web designer
atomiq said:
Are there any posibilities that we can run Windows xp on the tablet some day?
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None whatsoever!
Tab is ARM based, not x86 based. The only "hope" would be an VM, but even if someone could be bothered, performance would likely be dreadful.
Ubuntu is open source and has been ported to ARM.
Regards,
Dave
Won't ever happen, and it would run like total dog**** if it did.
You can already play your hacked MMO on a cheap netbook, and as primitive as Ragnarok is, that's all you need.
Croak said:
Won't ever happen, and it would run like total dog**** if it did.
You can already play your hacked MMO on a cheap netbook, and as primitive as Ragnarok is, that's all you need.
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No, i already have e netbook, and ragnarok is not priority, the other software are.
so far we dont have a professional answer :|
atomiq said:
No, i already have e netbook, and ragnarok is not priority, the other software are.
so far we dont have a professional answer :|
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You already have a professional answer...
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Originally Posted by atomiq
Are there any posibilities that we can run Windows xp on the tablet some day?
None whatsoever!
Tab is ARM based, not x86 based. The only "hope" would be an VM, but even if someone could be bothered, performance would likely be dreadful.
Ubuntu is open source and has been ported to ARM.
Regards,
Dave
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Learn2read
How would anyone benefit from running win xp, or any windows os for that matter, on a sgt? What would be the purpose?!
crippleb0y said:
How would anyone benefit from running win xp, or any windows os for that matter, on a sgt? What would be the purpose?!
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It's for the mentally retarded who live on Facebook using WindowsXP
atomiq said:
Are there any posibilities that we can run Windows xp on the tablet some day?
i've seen a video that runs ubuntu, i dont want to see the word "ubuntu" in this whole thread please, thanks.
if there are possibilities.. how can we start, should i make a facebook page where we all manifest our feelings?
Reason in my case: i have some especial software that only run on windows xp, and also a couple of games specially Ragnarok Online (private server) that i play.
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I had a 7inch tablet running windows xp. the tablet was great, the software was something that stiil seek me in my nightmare.
Now I'm trying to put android in it.
Simply put. windows xp wasn't and will not be a tablet os. Ever.
Sent from my Galaxy Tab
atomiq said:
i've seen a video that runs ubuntu, i dont want to see the word "ubuntu" in this whole thread please, thanks.
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Ubuntu! Oh I'm sorry your majesty, I'll get to work on an arm version of windows xp right away.
You could use a remote desktop client to connect to a windows xp machine. There is absolutely no way to run windows xp natively and there never will be.
Sent from my galaxy tab
acolwill said:
It's for the mentally retarded who live on Facebook using WindowsXP
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Judging by the ragnarok online ref, probably just an entitled tween with too much money.
Sent from my galaxy tab
acolwill said:
It's for the mentally retarded who live on Facebook using WindowsXP
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there would not be anything wrong with browsing facebook on the win xp, the facebook app for the android totally sucks
bump. bumb.
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bump. bumb.
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This has already been answered - why are you bumping it?
Just because you don't like the answer you've been?
It is not possible - move on!
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Dave
sup atomix. As everyone else already stated the GT's cpu is arm based, hence no native winders.
However rdp/vnc/cloud connections to both real and virtual windows machine is definitely doable.
I saw an interesting article in Engadget the other day. Looks like onlive will be serving up their cloud based gaming with a side of windows 7. Maybe this will be helpful for you.
Sorry I would post the Engadget link but I just registered to this forum as I just got my tab TODAY!!!!!!
engadget(insert dot here)com/2010/12/07/onlive-demos-windows-7-on-an-ipad-and-galaxy-tab-launches-cloud/
the CLOUD sucks tytyty
any recomendations for my purpose?
The 'Cloud' as you refer to as 'sucks' is the internets.
If your 'Clouds' 'suck' then I suggest you invest in faster internets.
or
Ask Santa Claus nicely to get you a new windows laptop for Christmas and donate your fantastic Galaxy Tab to a more deserving individual.
or
Throw yourself off a bridge and stop bringing this thread back to life.
tried ubuntu on the tab and runs extremely slugish, i'ts out of the question..
any 7 inch or smaller tablet that would run windows xp?
i said TABLET not netbook, i already have a dell 10v but is way too bulky to take back and forth from city to city
the tab i need, needs to be the closest to the galaxy tab 7" or smaller display size
with at least 5hrs of battery, open a resolution of 1024px width
sim card slot with aws band support, wi-fi, at least 32mb video card
etc..
Call me crazy but I want Windows on my Nook Color:
- Windows 7 (preferred)
- Windows Mobile 6.5x
- Windows Phone 7 (if it's my only option)
Surely someone is working on this on this in the xda or Nook community?
I'm not looking to start a holy war so please no battles on why one is better than the other.
Raptor
Raptor said:
Call me crazy but I want Windows on my Nook Color:
- Windows 7 (preferred)
- Windows Mobile 6.5x
- Windows Phone 7 (if it's my only option)
Surely someone is working on this on this in the xda or Nook community?
I'm not looking to start a holy war so please no battles on why one is better than the other.
Raptor
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not to be rude....but are you a complete moron....? why would you even ask a question like this...? the nook does not have nearly the processing power to run windows 7
Try pocketcloud from the market... itll let yo remote desktop to a win7 machine and turn your nc into essentially a thin client... pair it with a membership at dynds.org for a solution away from home.
Not exactly what you asked for but its the best youll ever get...
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Win7 Pro has a tablet thing that some say are good (would switch it on but no touch screen for my pc)
As for actually running it Android does well enough, im sure its possible but lack of drivers has stopped me from trying. If anything id try a live linux distro on the SD just thinking it could run it better, but win7 even in tablet settings would probably run like that Archos one, bad.
Call me crazy but I want Windows on my Nook Color:
- Windows 7 (preferred)
- Windows Mobile 6.5x
- Windows Phone 7 (if it's my only option)
Surely someone is working on this on this in the xda or Nook community?
I'm not looking to start a holy war so please no battles on why one is better than the other.
Raptor
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not to be rude....but are you a complete moron....? why would you even ask a question like this...? the nook does not have nearly the processing power to run windows 7
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This is just wishful thinking on your part. Even if the NC had the processing power it runs a TI OMAP ARM processor. Windows 7 is only capable of running on x86 and AFAIK there is nothing in the works to recompile win7 for the ARM platform.
Windows Phone 7 (who knows) could one day be ported to run on the NC hardware.
Your best bet may be to use VNC or something similar to get access to a windows 7 remote desktop environment.
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not to be rude....but are you a complete moron....? why would you even ask a question like this...? the nook does not have nearly the processing power to run windows 7
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Let me clarify:
- No holy war comments
- AND apparently...
- No unnecessary insults
I posted the comment in "this section" (Nook Color "THEMES" and Apps) for the reason of a good fully emulated Windows 7 theme would suffice.
But YES I do wish a "hacked" version of Windows 7 could be developed. I did not ask for Win7 Ultimate, or Enerprise but Win7.
If we took the assumption that only a full unmodifed version of any OS could be run on these devices then I think we would all just be reading eBooks on them from B&N. Win7 just like ANY OS can be stripped down in many ways, even if basic stripping down was not sufficient, it would be a start. From there things can be modifed further.
So to clarify:
- YES I want Win7 Enterprise or Ultimate with BlueTooth, WiFi, USB, SDHC, Cell Stack, Fingerprint reader, Optical Scanner, camera (forward and rear facing) BlueRay DVD ROM/Writer, IR, and whatever else anyone has ever thought of that can be put into a high powered Windows workstation.
Short of that I would be willing to accept any of the following in the order listed from top down:
- Any version of Win7
- WinMo 6.5x
- WP7 (if someone can make it do something other than the standard WP7) (ie: remove the iPhone'ish lockdown limitations and run WinMo apps)
- Win7 themes that work on the rooted Nook Colors
- WP7 theme (as a theme would not come with the limitations of WP7 itself)
- WinMo 6.5x theme
- NT4 theme
- NT 3.51 theme
- OK that is as low as I am willing to go, although I would not mind having CMD on the Win7 version with the internal commands... lol
Read the above with a certain amount of sarcasim and reality, Win7 ROX so as close as my Nook Color tablet can get to it would make me happy (as well as a few others as well I am sure)!
Raptor
@ Jason - Thanks, I do have a Remote control client accessing my static IP devices.
Unfortunately we are just not there yet with the passthrough of the touch commands as I wouldlike it to be, and beyond that I was looking for a Win7 interface even when not on WiFi. I just like the standard commands, interfaces, etc... that I am familiar with over the Android OS. Not to knock it but it's not my prefered GUI.
But you are right, that does suffice at this time.
Raptor
Maybe someone can get Windows 95 up and running
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This is just wishful thinking on your part. ....... AFAIK there is nothing in the works to recompile win7 for the ARM platform.
Windows Phone 7 (who knows) could one day be ported to run on the NC hardware.
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Wishful thinking is why I finally have skinny tablet computer in my haands only (insert sarcaism here) 42 years after seeing James T Kirk with one.
Win7 ARM platform... oh the rumors are already started. Balmer is supposed to be making an announcement of this @ CES 2011. Am I expecting it to be released before the Nook Color becomes my primary dust pan... probably not, but I am eagerly waiting onthenews just the same.
WP7 on the Nook Color; That would be nice once it has copy/paste and the other 1,400 features that WinMo 6.5x had that were removed or "not included" in the new WP7 OS (sorry, sore subject).
Raptor
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Maybe someone can get Windows 95 up and running
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Wahoooo........ Now were talking...
In all seriousness... what about Windows CE?
Or even xp, the nook has good enough specs for that, i mean come on, it only needs a 233mhz cpu and only 128 meg of ram?
Basically, id love to play age of mythology on this thing ;D
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In all seriousness... what about Windows CE?
Or even xp, the nook has good enough specs for that, i mean come on, it only needs a 233mhz cpu and only 128 meg of ram?
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Maybe if we all ask Bill Gates real nice he will find it in his heart to release the source for WinXP so that XDA developers can port it for ARM architecture. What with this being Xmas and all.
I am an optimist but also a realist. Chances of getting WinXP to run natively on the Nook Color or any other ARM tablet are next to none.
Why will Microsoft take it upon themselves to port an unsupported 2 generations old OS to the ARM platform. IMO it will be a cold day in Hell before Microsoft releases the source for WinXP.
If you need a tablet running Windows maybe you are better off with the Archos 9 https://store.archos.com/archos-tablet-p-96.html or the new Dell Duo or the HP slate.
Look i dont know much about such things but surely CE is possible?
got this from arm.com:
"Hi, There
Microsoft itself makes tools for developing with Windows CE running on an ARM processor. If you go to the ARM Connected Community page for Microsoft Windows CE:
http://www.arm.com/community/display_compa...3&display=3
and scroll down to the contact information, you'll find a link to Microsoft's resources for embedded developers:
http://www.microsoft...ndows/embedded/
You should find what you need there."
OR BETTER THAN CE: linux and wine
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CE wouldn't be too bad.
You should check out Windows Embedded Compact 7 which uses a lot of the same underlying software as Windows Phone 7 but has a traditional windows gui but can be overlaid with whatever you want.
Man. As soon as someone has a complete backup so we can flash this thing back to default if something goes wrong. Im gonna windows this thing to death >.
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I was thinking Windows 3.1 would be perfect.
OTH, I have seen tablets out there that run windows 7 so it's definitely not unheard of.
http://www.amazon.com/Archos-Windows-Starter-Tablet-Black/dp/tags-on-product/B002V3C4F8
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If you need a tablet running Windows maybe you are better off with the Archos 9 https://store.archos.com/archos-tablet-p-96.html or the new Dell Duo or the HP slate.
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Actually I will probably be getting a Dell Duo, but it's not as thin and heavier then the Nook Color as well as the price difference. I bought this on a wim as I bought 2 Nooks (non coler versions) for family members and it was just too darn cheap to pass up on. Needless to say I was thrilled when I checked and xda-developers had a section on Nook Color hacks...
I agree on the XP comments, but CE does support ARM (as in Windows Mobile (take your pick on the version)). I would like to see a WinMo 6.5x OS running on the Nook Color.
Raptor
new question...
has anyone succesfully gotten a full OS to boot from an sd card?
if so i might try mucking around with CE and get it installed on an sd...
if not i wont do it because i REALLY dont want to stuff up my color.
Now... does anyone know of any working drivers ;D
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So to clarify:
- YES I want Win7 Enterprise or Ultimate with BlueTooth, WiFi, USB, SDHC, Cell Stack, Fingerprint reader, Optical Scanner, camera (forward and rear facing) BlueRay DVD ROM/Writer, IR, and whatever else anyone has ever thought of that can be put into a high powered Windows workstation.
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I forgot GPS, 64bit dual proc quad core with 32 GB of RAM and a compass in the stock!
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I forgot GPS, 64bit dual proc quad core with 32 GB of RAM and a compass in the stock!
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you will brick your nook... ok closest i could come up with..