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Hi all, well my One arrived from the UK today.. As I feared it does not have the ATT LTE bands that PDAbd.net suggested it had, bummer, but I can live with HSDPA... Set up the phone, it asks me to select the operator I am unsing, with ATT as the first choice... all goes well.. I load it up and initial impressions... WOW.. what a great phone.
BUT and and very BIG BUT.... the signal is terrible... bouncing from no signal to 2 bars and displaying H one minute, 3G the next and then E...
Driving down a notorious road it drops the call at least half a mile before typical and doesn't pick it up again until even later..
Does anyone know if there are any setting I can adjust to optimize to ATT?
I really do not want to put it is back in the box, but unless someone has a suggestion for me, I have no choice...
Help!!
Many thanks,
Nick
A quick question. Where did you get your HTC One? And have you used any other HTC Phones before and got good signal with it?
nickywaldo said:
Hi all, well my One arrived from the UK today.. As I feared it does not have the ATT LTE bands that PDAbd.net suggested it had, bummer, but I can live with HSDPA... Set up the phone, it asks me to select the operator I am unsing, with ATT as the first choice... all goes well.. I load it up and initial impressions... WOW.. what a great phone.
BUT and and very BIG BUT.... the signal is terrible... bouncing from no signal to 2 bars and displaying H one minute, 3G the next and then E...
Driving down a notorious road it drops the call at least half a mile before typical and doesn't pick it up again until even later..
Does anyone know if there are any setting I can adjust to optimize to ATT?
I really do not want to put it is back in the box, but unless someone has a suggestion for me, I have no choice...
Help!!
Many thanks,
Nick
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Hi There,
I bought it in the UK. It was a legitimate HTC supplier and an unlocked model 801n.
I have used a couple HTC phones in the past:
ATT 8X - worked well (at least as far as signal was concerned, but that was the ATT model)
I also had a Verizon Incredible, but since that is a different provider, I am ignoring it.
Other phones I have right now adn tested in the same location with the same SIM:
1. ATT - Galaxy note 2 - good signal no issues
2. ATT LG Optimus G - Good signal no issues
3. ATT Iphone 5 Good signal no issues
4. ATT Nokia 920 - good signal no issues
5. Blackberry Z10 - unbelievably good signal - no issues - Unlocked ATT bands, not ATT branded (Purchased from Expansys USA)
This is why I am wondering whether it is some kind of optimization issue. I cannot believe HTC could have made such a mistake in design. Also, if I switch to GSM only, I have full bars.... It is only on 3G and HSDPA that the signal is poor and the display oscillates between 3G and H
Any advice?
Many thanks,
Nick
Are you rooted? The solution is disabling fast dormancy on HTC One. New HTC devices enables fast dormancy by default which affects & weakens signal strength on networks that doesn't support it yet. If not I am not aware of any ways to disable it without root yet. I'll update you if I find one.
On UK almost all networks do support fast dormancy already except for Three UK so that maybe the reason why it's enabled by default in the US however I am not aware of the implementation of network carriers there sorry.
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Are you rooted? The solution is disabling fast dormancy on HTC One. New HTC devices enables fast dormancy by default which affects & weakens signal strength on networks that doesn't support it yet. If not I am not aware of any ways to disable it without root yet. I'll update you if I find one.
On UK almost all networks do support fast dormancy already except for Three UK so that maybe the reason why it's enabled by default in the US however I am not aware of the implementation of network carriers there sorry.
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Thanks for the advice!!!
No I am not rooted - what will I lose if I root it? Do you know of a link to a simple thread with rooting instructions and how to disable the fast dormancy? I am not super experienced with Android yet
Does anyone know whether ATT supports fast dormancy of not?
Also, I have been led to believe that the One supports a number of carrier frequencies, but they only enable those for the specific region it is sold in. Do you know if there is a way to enable the other frequencies? Or is this just an unfounded rumor? Also, do you know if there is a way to check which LTE band the phone I have is equipped with - Not an on-line reference, but a way to find it on the phone?
Many thanks!!
Your warranty if you mess something in the software's side like bricking your phone & OTA updates. But you'll be able to update anyways just by directly flashing on the phone.
Anyways here's a noob proof app to rooting. Please do some research first before going so you'll not mess this up.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2183942
And... No. AT&T doesn't support fast dormancy.
nickywaldo said:
Thanks for the advice!!!
No I am not rooted - what will I lose if I root it? Do you know of a link to a simple thread with rooting instructions and how to disable the fast dormancy? I am not super experienced with Android yet
Does anyone know whether ATT supports fast dormancy of not?
Also, I have been led to believe that the One supports a number of carrier frequencies, but they only enable those for the specific region it is sold in. Do you know if there is a way to enable the other frequencies? Or is this just an unfounded rumor? Also, do you know if there is a way to check which LTE band the phone I have is equipped with - Not an on-line reference, but a way to find it on the phone?
Many thanks!!
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nickywaldo said:
Thanks for the advice!!!
No I am not rooted - what will I lose if I root it? Do you know of a link to a simple thread with rooting instructions and how to disable the fast dormancy? I am not super experienced with Android yet
Does anyone know whether ATT supports fast dormancy of not?
Also, I have been led to believe that the One supports a number of carrier frequencies, but they only enable those for the specific region it is sold in. Do you know if there is a way to enable the other frequencies? Or is this just an unfounded rumor? Also, do you know if there is a way to check which LTE band the phone I have is equipped with - Not an on-line reference, but a way to find it on the phone?
Many thanks!!
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Check this regarding what is Fast Dormancy and tell us if it works(probably NOT (it works only to samsung phones) but it is easy to try) http://androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-s2-international/674208-fast-dormancy-in-nutshell.html
"To turn FD on/off enter *#9900# in the dialler to get into the SysDump screen then select the Fast Dormancy option"
You mind sharing the link if they have stock? Good luck with the signal issue.
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I had a friend with an international GS2 with the same problem. Constantly bounced from HSPA+ to 3G to EDGE to no signal. I'm 99% sure that the issue is network settings, you likely need to check SIM card, data plan provisioning, APNs, etc.
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Check this regarding what is Fast Dormancy and tell us if it works(probably NOT (it works only to samsung phones) but it is easy to try) http://androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-s2-international/674208-fast-dormancy-in-nutshell.html
"To turn FD on/off enter *#9900# in the dialler to get into the SysDump screen then select the Fast Dormancy option"
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Thanks for the suggestion... As soon as I enter the code, I get an error, so I am unable to even get to the SysDump
cdd543 said:
You mind sharing the link if they have stock? Good luck with the signal issue.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2
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I bought the last one they had. You should be able to find them now... More and more are popping up every day.
Many thanks,
Nick
Hunt3r.j2 said:
I had a friend with an international GS2 with the same problem. Constantly bounced from HSPA+ to 3G to EDGE to no signal. I'm 99% sure that the issue is network settings, you likely need to check SIM card, data plan provisioning, APNs, etc.
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Hey, thanks - Do you know what settings I should use? I have an LTE provisioned SIM card...I assume that should be ok, since the phone is LTE enabled, just wrong bands? I have tried with Auto LTE on and of - I currently have it on GSM/WCDMA - it has been working better the past day, but it is still not right..
The SIM works perfectly in the Note 2, Optimus G etc. So I am wondering whether I need to look at the APN or something like that, but I do not know what the best settings should be. Anyone have this info?
Many thanks,
Nick
nickywaldo said:
Hey, thanks - Do you know what settings I should use? I have an LTE provisioned SIM card...I assume that should be ok, since the phone is LTE enabled, just wrong bands? I have tried with Auto LTE on and of - I currently have it on GSM/WCDMA - it has been working better the past day, but it is still not right..
The SIM works perfectly in the Note 2, Optimus G etc. So I am wondering whether I need to look at the APN or something like that, but I do not know what the best settings should be. Anyone have this info?
Many thanks,
Nick
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APN shouldn't affect your mobile signal reception. It's just made for cellular data profiling. So you are able to connect to the internet.
How about try setting your network selection mode to manual and just select the top most usable network there?
Interesting... I am in Korea right now and have great signal... no issues at all. However, my data indicator is still bouncing between H and 3G, so that is very strange...
Despite the indicated low signal and bouncing data connection type indicator, the phone is working well, have not dropped a call recently and excellent phone call quality...
NO LTE connection in Korea though.. I assume that is probably due to ATT not having a LTE roaming data service agreement here? I believe my phone has at least one LTE band that it supported here.
Have fun..
Nick
I think u should talk to att people may be they can help? With the signal issue or the data connection issues!
Please let us know once u figure it out
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has anyone noticed that the 4G on the S10 is quite buggy?
the speeds are extremely unstable, and sometimes completely unusable. (not a problem with the carrier, tried it on another phone and it's fine)
What I've noticed is that if it ever goes into medium power saving, 4G will stop working completely, it'll still show 4G, and i can still make calls, but no internet connection, even after exiting power saving mode. The only fix is I'd have to restart the phone for 4G to work again.
anyone have the same problem/ knows a fix?
I've read that I should do a factory reset, but I really want to avoid that, setting up the phone is time consuming.
Side note: battery life is not as good as expected, but that seems to be an issue for all exynos, not just me.
Same Problem here i unlock phone 4G shows but it tanke some time if i can use the Internet
Speed is Very slow and unstable
I am having connectivity problems as well. Keeps loosing the connection. I have to turn on airplane mode then turn it off all the time.
I don't have any problems with network connectivity, so far. In the link my result a moment ago: https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/4796337263
Hope you get some sensible connectivity soon. Cheers!
Same issue here! It was fine since I first received the device, but yesterday, I manually changed the network toggle to get better indoor signal. However, even after setting the toggle back to the original setting the LTE and data service kept dropping out. I tried manually toggling, switching network bands, etc... but nothing worked. It just keeps dropping data service.
I just hard reset the phone moments ago, and will update accordingly!
Update - Even after a network reset and hard reset it still dropped to Edge data a few times. However, after the last hour or so, it has locked back on to LTE+ and is holding strong. Seriously hope this is a software bug and not a bum radio chipset or antenna.
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Same issue here! It was fine since I first received the device, but yesterday, I manually changed the network toggle to get better indoor signal. However, even after setting the toggle back to the original setting the LTE and data service kept dropping out. I tried manually toggling, switching network bands, etc... but nothing worked. It just keeps dropping data service.
I just hard reset the phone moments ago, and will update accordingly!
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I'm on tmobile and my data is horrible in certain and what's weird I have all bars.
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not sure if i should say that its good to know I didn't get a dud.
but man, samsung needs to get their sh*t together, this is not acceptable for a flagship phone.
looks like i'll have to do a factory reset soon.
I'm on tmo as well. I have a feeling it's just jacked up radio software. I did some more tweaking and went into band settings *#BAND# on the dialer and disabled all the LTE bands that aren't used by TMO and that seems to have helped as well. It think this issue is congruent to the known issue with Sprint devices trying to connect to incorrect bands. I haven't used it out and about yet, but it definitely helped my phone stay latched on to LTE from my home. Additionally, when it does drop to HSPA, it doesn't get stuck like it used to.
I recommend tweaking the band setting before doing a hard reset.
Update - still doesn't fix the problem. Pains me to say it, but I'm afraid I have a hardware issue. I'm going to try a sim card swap as a last ditch effort, but will also seek an exchange as well just to get ahead of the problem.
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I'm on tmo as well. I have a feeling it's just jacked up radio software. I did some more tweaking and went into band settings *#BAND# on the dialer and disabled all the LTE bands that aren't used by TMO and that seems to have helped as well. .
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This shortcut only works on Snapdragon version, do you have Snapdragon with 4G issue?
This code only runs on the Qualcomm chipset version. Oddly enough, my friend with the Exynos version has no problems, even though he's missing a couple of TMO bands for the US.
Yeah I have Exynos S10+ as well and it runs fine on T-mobile USA
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This code only runs on the Qualcomm chipset version. Oddly enough, my friend with the Exynos version has no problems, even though he's missing a couple of TMO bands for the US.
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This code is not working on SM-G9730 Qualcomm Hong Kong version. Any ideas?
Same problem here. I got the snapdragon US unlocked variant using here in Spain and compared with my old Google pixel, they do not have the same speed LTE connectivity even using the same SIM card. I tried to force using the 20 BAND (800 MHz) but I dont really know how. My galaxy s10 plus is using the BAND 3 so it does not let it picking the fastest possible band in my city. Any ideas? I also did think galaxy s10 plus US variant did not have 20 LTE band, but I checked it and realize it even does. One more question, what is the difference between 4G and LTE? Here in Spain all devices are running 4G, not seen any device running LTE, but my new samsung does. How can I switch it to 4g or LTE+? Thank you everyone boys.
just wondering if anyone has gotten the ASCA/ASC8 update and can report whether this problem is solved wit firmware update?
Bands matter depending on where you are. Depending on your area, only specific bands will be used. However, some bands used, while not faulty, are easily interfered for some reason with cases or other obstructions like your hand. Most likely, Samsung is planning to give a large update considering signal direction. I would probably not factory reset if you have a lot of data, and the problem would probably come back.
I ended up having to send my device in to Samsung for analysis and repair. I'll keep everyone updated.
after ASC8 update, i think the problem has been solved, havent noticed any problems so far
Hello everyone,
I bought two Realme X50 5g from Amazon uk and I was really excited when the phone arrived, from what I read everywhere was a lot of value for the money. However just after a few hours of use I was really disappointed to see the behaviour I am having in both phones.
I can connect to the wifi 5g band without issues and I get internet, the problem is that after a while (randomly can't tell 1 hour or 10 hours depends) when I check the phone it says "no internet" and I can't access anything, I need to disconnect and connect again and the internet comes straight away.
This issue is a little bit annoying because it means being disconnected for a while until I realise about it.
I am in the UK and I have Virgin Media and was using their SuperHub 3 which has worked really well with any device until now. I tried to change the config from dual band and add 2g to the 2g ssid and 5g to the 5g ssid so they were separated so it doesn't use dual band automatically and is the same. I was suspicious the problem could be the VM router so I bought a new router TP-Link Archer A7 AC1750 which I believe is a middle range router which supports dual-band however doesn't have all the high tech technologies like mu-mimo and beamforming. Anyway I got the router setup everything and have been using the Tp Link instead an the exact same thing happens.
I am with EE as carrier and I don't have yet a 5G plan, however as soon I turned on the phone with my sim EE sent me a test saying that they have enabled VOLTE since I am on a device that supports it. I may be wrong but I am also getting the impression the issue tends to happen more frequently if I have received or done any calls, but I have no hopes on getting support from EE.
I have contacted Amazon support which was hopeless and I have sent an email to Realme support but I haven't heard from them yet.
I am starting to consider to return the phones and get a refund but if I need to get to that will be a shame because the phones does looks nice and I have been enjoying it, I like the UI and the performance is quite good.
With all said I was wondering if anyone is aware of any issues with the Realme X50 5G and the 765G SOC wifi?
Thanks in advance
Hi, I updated to Android 12 when it was released, and it seems to have broken 5G NSA support on T-Mobile. With non-standalone in my area, I'm able to connect to midband 5G and get excellent data speeds. After the Android 12 update, it seems to prioritize standalone (SA) lowband 5G, which is often even slower than LTE, and I have not once seen it connect to NR NSA. I never encountered this on Android 11, but don't want to reflash my phone just to troubleshoot. I'm wondering if anyone else has encountered this issue. Thanks!
what app are you using to get the connection info? i have yet to find a network tools app that handles dual sim phones well. a few apps state android os itself dropped 2 sim support after android 9.
dkryder said:
what app are you using to get the connection info? i have yet to find a network tools app that handles dual sim phones well. a few apps state android os itself dropped 2 sim support after android 9.
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I'm just going into Settings -> About Phone -> SIM Status. It tells me the type of connection for voice and data. If I were on midband, it would show LTE for Voice and NR NSA for data. But it's showing NR SA for both, indicating my phone is on lowband.
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I'm just going into Settings -> About Phone -> SIM Status. It tells me the type of connection for voice and data. If I were on midband, it would show LTE for Voice and NR NSA for data. But it's showing NR SA for both, indicating my phone is on lowband.
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ok. i just got a straight talk t-mobile sim activated this morning and i show LTE for voice and NR NSA for data network type. i've done a few speedtests and it's been between 130-150Mb down with 30 Mb up. however, google fi which is same t-mobile tower gets over 200Mb down /30Mb up. so it just appears to me that t-mobile gives a sweeter deal to Fi than to straight talk. but that's just one morning and a couple tests.
dkryder said:
ok. i just got a straight talk t-mobile sim activated this morning and i show LTE for voice and NR NSA for data network type. i've done a few speedtests and it's been between 130-150Mb down with 30 Mb up. however, google fi which is same t-mobile tower gets over 200Mb down /30Mb up. so it just appears to me that t-mobile gives a sweeter deal to Fi than to straight talk. but that's just one morning and a couple tests.
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Hmm, I'm on a normal T-Mobile plan, but I'm not sure if that would make a difference. Are you on Android 12?
This issue only showed up for me the day I updated my phone. I don't think I dropped it or anything, so I doubt it's something physically wrong with it. But I don't want to unlock the bootloader, wipe my phone, and roll back to Android 11 just for troubleshooting.
Figured out a solution. I stuck in my mom's T-Mobile SIM, which is much older and doesn't support standalone 5G, and it connected to NSA. So it's some software thing where they're heavily prioritizing SA 5G over NSA, even when NSA is available and SA is garbage.
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Hmm, I'm on a normal T-Mobile plan, but I'm not sure if that would make a difference. Are you on Android 12?
This issue only showed up for me the day I updated my phone. I don't think I dropped it or anything, so I doubt it's something physically wrong with it. But I don't want to unlock the bootloader, wipe my phone, and roll back to Android 11 just for troubleshooting.
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Yes, android 12. As well as a new sim. There was some mention by T-Mobile of having a new sim for the 5G. I have no idea if s new one is required, just that they said it in the materials they sent me that 5G would work best.
I have T-Mobile and am getting great service with 5G where I am. I have just recently got it connected though, and I was already on Android 12 when I had it connected for service. Not sure if that matters though?
I use Mint on T-Mobile towers. I just upgraded to Android 12 OTA, and with the adaptive connectivity setting enabled I see LTE as the mobile voice and the data fluctuates between IWLAN and NR NSA. I have wifi-calling enabled, with mobile network preferred. I didn't pay attention to this status screen in the past, so cannot say if anything changed really...
Hi there,
I apologize in advance if the question has already been answered. I searched but found nothing.
And I apologize for my English, I'm French Canadian.
I bought a OnePlus 10 Pro 12gb/256gb, model NE2213 last week.
Everything works fine except for 5G. I only have 4G (LTE) by default but with the 5G settings app I can select the NR option to enable 5G. Everything works fine and I can use 5G without any problems.
When I restart my cell, I again come across the 2G/3G/4G option only, no 5G.
The option seems to be there and functional but it does not seem to be activated by default.
Is there a solution for this?
Thanks a lot !!
CasseDePouelle said:
Hi there,
I apologize in advance if the question has already been answered. I searched but found nothing.
And I apologize for my English, I'm French Canadian.
I bought a OnePlus 10 Pro 12gb/256gb, model NE2213 last week.
Everything works fine except for 5G. I only have 4G (LTE) by default but with the 5G settings app I can select the NR option to enable 5G. Everything works fine and I can use 5G without any problems.
When I restart my cell, I again come across the 2G/3G/4G option only, no 5G.
The option seems to be there and functional but it does not seem to be activated by default.
Is there a solution for this?
Thanks a lot !!
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Besides your APN there's not a huge amount you can do.
Is your phone an actual NE2213 or has it been converted?
If it's the latter then that could explain things..
Thanks for your answer!
This is an original NE2213 model purchased from a Canadian website. It was 30% cheaper than the North American model and I read on the internet that the bands were compatible with 5G.
It's not the end of the world because 5G is not really deployed here in Canada but I don't understand why I can activate it via the 5G settings app but when the device restarts it seems to be desactivate.
CasseDePouelle said:
Thanks for your answer!
This is an original NE2213 model purchased from a Canadian website. It was 30% cheaper than the North American model and I read on the internet that the bands were compatible with 5G.
It's not the end of the world because 5G is not really deployed here in Canada but I don't understand why I can activate it via the 5G settings app but when the device restarts it seems to be desactivate.
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Oh ok, crazy, an EU device being sold from a Canadian resupplied does shout region change to me and would explain things..
Are you based in the EU?
No, I live in Canada and I'm on the Bell Mobility network which uses the n66 and n78 bands for 5G.
This website sells different cell phone models less available in Canada (OnePlus, Xiaomi, etc.) but sells Chinese or international versions.
Like I say I can live with it, 4G is as fast as 5G here for now, but I was wondering if there is a solution to enable 5G directly on boot.
Fun fact, when I set up the cell for the first time, it was showing 5G in the top right but when I was done with my setup and turned off the wi-fi it was rendering 4G and i can't choose 5G in the network options.
CasseDePouelle said:
No, I live in Canada and I'm on the Bell Mobility network which uses the n66 and n78 bands for 5G.
This website sells different cell phone models less available in Canada (OnePlus, Xiaomi, etc.) but sells Chinese or international versions.
Like I say I can live with it, 4G is as fast as 5G here for now, but I was wondering if there is a solution to enable 5G directly on boot.
Fun fact, when I set up the cell for the first time, it was showing 5G in the top right but when I was done with my setup and turned off the wi-fi it was rendering 4G and i can't choose 5G in the network options.
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Just out of curiosity, what's your expected speeds on 5G and what are you getting on 4G..I don't use 5G on purpose. I simply don't need it as 4G gives my 250Mb +
Anyone who needs more then that needs a PC
I did a live test...
5G: 69/3 Mbps (d/u)
4G: 56/5 Mbps (d/u)
I'm at home and wifi is off.
Basicallyt, not a big difference, I'm going out today and redo a test to see if the speed is really different.
Do another test outside of my home...
4g : 61/24 Mbps
5g : 141/44 Mbps.
Big difference this time!
CasseDePouelle said:
Do another test outside of my home...
4g : 61/24 Mbps
5g : 141/44 Mbps.
Big difference this time!
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I'd say they're both slow tbh.. in comparison to my 250 or 900Mb on ,5g
Google be your area, but I'm not sure.
Can you force it with the engineering code?
dladz said:
I'd say they're both slow tbh.. in comparison to my 250 or 900Mb on ,5g
Google be your area, but I'm not sure.
iCan you force it with the engineering code?
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I try to go to engineering mode with different solutions i found on the web with no success.
I got a connexion problem or mmi incorrect code...
CasseDePouelle said:
I try to go to engineering mode with different solutions i found on the web with no success.
I got a connexion problem or mmi incorrect code...
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It's a key combination from the dialer I can't remember it
I tried *#*#4636#*#* but nothing happens. I also tried ##4636## and i got the connexion problem or mmi incorrect code...
I tried to install engineering mode but i got a message..."
App not installed
The package conflicts with an existing package by the same name"
So basically i don't know what to do at this time...
I think follow the 8 pro number .
Have a Google, sorry mate I can't remember for the life of me
No problem, last question, do i need to root the cell to do this ?
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No problem, last question, do i need to root the cell to do this ?
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No your do not mate. Not at all
Thanks a lot i will try again
CasseDePouelle said:
Thanks a lot i will try again
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Good luck mate, recorded knowledge will always helps others.
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Ok, to enter the EngineerMode you have to press *#899#, but i only have this printscreen when arriving in the menu, I do not see any option to modify the frequency bands.
CasseDePouelle said:
Ok, to enter the EngineerMode you have to press *#899#, but i only have this printscreen when arriving in the menu, I do not see any option to modify the frequency bands.
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Bottom option id say