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[Q] How, exactly, do OS updates happen?

Back when I was a Blackberry fanboy *ducks* here is basically how OS updates would happen:
1. RIM would release the OS update 'candidate' to all the major service providers who carry the specific phone - Bell, Telus, Verizon, whoever.
2. The provider would then test the OS.
3a. If it passes their testing, they would make their changes, patches, install their bloatware, etc. And then release it to the public.
3b. If it fails, back to RIM.
So essentially, it's the providers that everyone waited on for updates, not the hardware manufacturer.
Is the world of Android any different? Are we blaming Samsung for not releasing Froyo, but really we should be questioning our service providers?

anyone????

davanw said:
Are we blaming Samsung for not releasing Froyo, but really we should be questioning our service providers?
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Right now it's up to Samsung.

it is released via Kies
davanw said:
Back when I was a Blackberry fanboy *ducks* here is basically how OS updates would happen:
1. RIM would release the OS update 'candidate' to all the major service providers who carry the specific phone - Bell, Telus, Verizon, whoever.
2. The provider would then test the OS.
3a. If it passes their testing, they would make their changes, patches, install their bloatware, etc. And then release it to the public.
3b. If it fails, back to RIM.
So essentially, it's the providers that everyone waited on for updates, not the hardware manufacturer.
Is the world of Android any different? Are we blaming Samsung for not releasing Froyo, but really we should be questioning our service providers?
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And for this forum, this phone, it's up to Samsung more or less. No carriers. The NA-variants on the other hand, it's up to the carriers after Samsung releases it.

Ok so I'm confused then, if Samsung directly releases the OS to the consumers, how does Bell or Verizon or whoever get their bloatware built-in?
*edit* sorry I didn't see the last part about North American carriers. So Samsung has to release the OS to the carrier, and then the carrier does their thing with it. Correct? So even if Samsung releases the OS, Bell isn't necessarily going to get the update to me in a timely fashion... ?

no need to complicate things
if you want the official release, just keep checking Kies on a daily basis
if you hit firmware on Kies and it tells you new update is available, get it
if not, then just go on with your daily business
it will show up when either bell / samsung are done with what they need to do with it before it gets released
but if you really want release X from build X you can simply change the registry to hack it to let you download the release for model X
but of course.. if your phone dies, then it's not Bell's problem
luckly enough so far Samsung has been pretty amazing in accepting all the failed flashes by end users without charging us a cent
don't want to jinx it, but if they get too much trouble they might start doing that.

davanw said:
Ok so I'm confused then, if Samsung directly releases the OS to the consumers, how does Bell or Verizon or whoever get their bloatware built-in?
*edit* sorry I didn't see the last part about North American carriers. So Samsung has to release the OS to the carrier, and then the carrier does their thing with it. Correct? So even if Samsung releases the OS, Bell isn't necessarily going to get the update to me in a timely fashion... ?
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Here is how it works:
1. Google releases new OS versions
2. Hardware manufacturers get the OS source code and add their own drivers as well as customizations to build a ROM image.
3. Manufacturer tests and then releases directly to customers if it is not carrier branded.
4. If it is a carrier branded phone, Manufacturers will need to bake in carrier specific customization and bloatware. And send to carriers for testing and validation.
5. If it passes carrier testing, the firmware will be released to customers via either OTA or Kies.
It will be a significant delayes between a new Android OS releases by Google and a new firmware contains the new OS to end users. More so than your old Black Berry OS updates.
Froyo was released in early summer 2010 and eariliest Froyo ROM updates for Android phone occured in August. And most happened in late August and sept. Our Galaxy S is further delayed until mid to late Oct because Samsung just can't get their act together to release a quality build.
It's quite a nightmare. No better than the old Windows Mobile updates.

T-mobile Note 9 Pie Update Status

As the title suggests, I'm on the T-mobile Note 9. I was looking around online for a Pie update and found this page. I thought I'd share for those who hadn't seen it.
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-39346
Apparently, there are three different statuses: Development, Testing and Complete.
As of yesterday, the Note 9 was still in Development. Today, it is in the Testing mode. Lets hope we're getting pretty close to the release!
EDIT 3/2/2019
According to the above link, the device is still in TESTING. In this document, Android 9 Pie HAS BEEN released as of 3/1/2019, but only to a limited audience. Not sure if this is a test group or what's going on.
EDIT 3/3/2019
Hi everyone. Please keep this on topic. The reason I made this thread is to provide a reference (T-mobile users) on the status of the update. If you need assistance getting back on the OTA track, please create your own topic. Furthermore, this thread is meant for users on the T-mobile SM-N960U, "probably not" the SM-N960U1 , which I know nothing about. Thanks!
EDIT: 3/4/2019
According to the document I originally posted, the phase of the update has now changed to COMPLETE. Hopefully, I'll have it by the end of the week, but we shall see how long actual deployment takes. The document provided in the 3/2/2019 update of this thread does not detail any further updates past 3/1/2019.
I just checked for updates. A security level patch level February 1, 2019 is now downloading. Size 1867.41 MB. Versions: N960USQU1CSB3 / N960UOYN1CSB3.
EDIT: 3/5/2019
I'm now on Android Version 9 / N960USQU1CSB3.
First Impression: I do not like the fact that the time clock is moved to the left side. They should've kept it where it was. I'll be looking for a way to change it.

I'm hoping it comes out next week. Att already has it, so I dont know what's taking them soo long to release it for tmobile

My wife's S9+ got the update today from TMobile. I'm surprised that S9+ got it first before Note 9.

Today it shows its moved to testing, hoping to get it soon now.

chinmayfun said:
Today it shows its moved to testing, hoping to get it soon now.
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Been like that all week.

My guess you won't see any updated to the Note 9 till long after the S10 is in stores. T-mobile is a crap company and this is how they do business. They will hold the update till we have had many weeks to look at the S10. T-mobile want you to spend the money on the upgrade. It's the 25th of February this update has been available on unlocked devices for nearly a month. AT&T has had it on their Note 9 for a few weeks already.

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My guess you won't see any updated to the Note 9 till long after the S10 is in stores. T-mobile is a crap company and this is how they do business. They will hold the update till we have had many weeks to look at the S10. T-mobile want you to spend the money on the upgrade. It's the 25th of February this update has been available on unlocked devices for nearly a month. AT&T has had it on their Note 9 for a few weeks already.
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If any part of what you said was even remotely true, then they wouldn't have pushed the update to their S9/+. Note 9 owners aren't the target audience for the S10/+

Imo keep Oreo untill the next Pie update at least. It has bugs and if you just got the device there may be things you want but aren't on Pie.
Updates are fine but OS version changes I let others be the guinea pigs...
Photo's[emoji2398] by Sully using SM-N960U or SM-870A

Just talked to a Tom rep, they stated they were sorry about removing the note o update and that they were in process of approving a new update that would release in March but that he was not sure. Smh

hondasforlife said:
Just talked to a Tom rep, they stated they were sorry about removing the note o update and that they were in process of approving a new update that would release in March but that he was not sure. Smh
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that mustache Tom is a bastard.

hondasforlife said:
Just talked to a Tom rep, they stated they were sorry about removing the note o update and that they were in process of approving a new update that would release in March but that he was not sure. Smh
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Assuming similar as the U1 update not dropping until March as well

This is depressing
However, I did update mine manually using the OTA that is posted. Could wait for T-Mobile.
Went fairly smooth. Couple minor issues, one with Google Home. Home would crashed every time I opened it. In the end, a factory reset brought everything in line.
I would recommend this upgrade to anyone and I would also recommend just side-loading it like I did.

Pie is ugly and slow

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Pie is ugly and slow
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Ugly can be changed with a theme but then again ugly is subjective.
As far as speed .. it actually behaves faster on my 9 then Android 8.x did. Not sure what you are running on yours that would slow it down so much.

Been on Pie now for a week. Love it. Better battery life, faster in almost every aspect. Didn't wanna wait for TMO to push it so went the firmware science route.
Haven't experienced any issues that have been reported, quite the opposite for me. I personally prefer pie over Oreo, but that's just me. Now if only, they fix the Swift installer app to work with Pie (unrooted) now.

Saw this on Droid Life just now...
https://www.droid-life.com/2019/03/01/t-mobile-galaxy-note-9-receiving-pie-update/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+DroidLife+%28Droid+Life%29

https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-38176

I'm on CSAA will it be able to OTA to the least tmobile on release?

I am currently on Tmobile with the version N960U1UEU1ARL1, would i have to wipe my device if I download the update manually? In any case, I can't seem to find my version on the Firmware Science form so do i just have to wait for the unlocked version of the update or am I eligible for TMOBILE's

I am confused, on the official T-Mobile update page, it lists N960U1UEU1CSB3 as the build number for the update. I thought N960U1UE specifies it's for the unlocked N960U1, where as carrier builds for the N960U are N960USQ?

Are You ready for One UI 2.1 on Note 9?

"We don’t have a timeframe as to when Samsung will start rolling out the One UI 2.1 update for these devices, but it’s safe to assume that the Galaxy Note 10 and S10 series will have priority over their predecessors. There are two reasons for this: one is the obvious fact that the Galaxy S10/Note 10 are newer, and the other is that the Galaxy S9 and Note 9 have only recently made the jump to Android 10 and One UI 2.0.
One UI 2.1 brings relatively few changes
Certain One UI 2.1 features that work hand-in-hand with the newer hardware, such as the option to switch to 120Hz mode, won’t be available on older Galaxy devices even after the update. Obviously, there are technical limitations that prevent some features to be ported over to older models. But other UI changes like the additional Screen Zoom options and/or Samsung Quick Share should be made available on older phones via the One UI 2.1 update.
We’ll keep you up to speed as soon as we learn more about Samsung’s rollout plans for One UI 2.1 on the Galaxy S9, S10, Note 9, and Note 10 series. We should be getting new info on the matter over the course of the next couple of months."
I found this on Sam.
The new software is available for the Samsung S10 with the official OTA from Swizerland.
Anyone knows more like a developer way to have in on note 9 before official release?

Why you need earlier i mean this way you void Knox and other stuff it will like a custom rom and also it will come soon so i dont need to rush anyway. This way i will have it original from Samsung

I hope it zaps the bugs that presented with the initial Android 10 update.

I wish they'd make their video player remember the last used screen mode. Sucks having to press Stretch after starting each video.

I read that they will not update note 9 to One UI 2.1. is possible to update the note 9 in a unofficial way?

bryx9 said:
I read that they will not update note 9 to One UI 2.1. is possible to update the note 9 in a unofficial way?
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Yes we can get one ui 2.1 by porting rom note 10 lite it have same architecture of cpu only have problems to port maybe camera

bryx9 said:
I read that they will not update note 9 to One UI 2.1. is possible to update the note 9 in a unofficial way?
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They will update S9 S9+ Note9 this will be their last update...

OmniKnightI7 said:
They will update S9 S9+ Note9 this will be their last update...
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no more updates see this https://www.sammobile.com/news/galaxy-note-9-galaxy-s9-one-ui-2-1-update-might-not-come/

This is ridiculous. We have a powerfull and expensive phone, from the most expensive line of Samsung. After only about 1.5 year from its release, Samsung will not update our device anymore?

Last "major" update. We'll still get security updates for awhile yet.

Updated Note9 to One UI 2.1 yesterday.
Does anyone know the apk file name for Samsung Music Share?
I searched via the web and looked through the packages via adb, but cannot figure out which one is Music Share.
Thank you!

Petition: Give Android 11 for S9!

Samsung said that all flagships after and including the S10 will get 3 years of Android OS updates. It's a bit unfair for us Note9 and S9 users so I created a petition to Samsung asking them to reconsider adding the S9, S9+ and Note9 to the 3 year major updates support program as well. Here's the link: https://www.change.org/p/samsung-give-android-11-oneui-3-0-to-galaxy-note9-s9-phones
The more people that sign it the better chance we have of Samsung acknowledging it!

Since our S9's launched with Android 8.0, I don't think that Samsung will update to Android 11... And in my opinion, Samsung already done a great work with S9's, bringning OneUi 2.1 and 2.5 later. Anyways, I'll sign the petition.

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Since our S9's launched with Android 8.0, I don't think that Samsung will update to Android 11... And in my opinion, Samsung already done a great work with S9's, bringning OneUi 2.1 and 2.5 later. Anyways, I'll sign the petition.
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I agree as for me OneUI updates are way more important than Android ones and I'm happy we got 2.1 and will get 2.5 but it doesn't hurt to try to get OneUI 3.0 too

if we won't get android 11 (and probably won't imo) ,do you think that at least a porting from other phones would happen unofficially? i saw this trend many times in the note series

If Samsung considered bringing OneUI 3.0 for the galaxy S9 series, they should adopt a better RAM management algorithm because 4GB for the S9 isn't enough anymore. The performance is already messed up after OneUI 2.1, and there's a lot of overheating, and I always find a lot of unnecessary apps running in the background for no reason, like secure folder apps (I rarely use Secure folder), gallery stories (which I disabled long time ago from gallery settings), Samsung pass (which I don't use frequently), Galaxy Buds (I only used it once when I tried my friend's buds), Gallery app and Samsung keyboard which always take 100-300MB each, even when not in use, and many other apps.
I know the list is very long, but it's driving me crazy
PS : All of this happens even if all apps are closed from the Recent menu.

I don't think it is really necessary, Android 11 most important feature is the introduction of inbuilt screen recorder, which our Galaxy S9 already has since Android 10... so we really aren't missing much, only some notifications changes and some other minor things.
You shouldn't really care about receiving this update... it probably will only make your device slower to be honest hahah
If you REALLY want this... wait for custom roms, they will be lighter and faster than the official one would be.

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I don't think it is really necessary, Android 11 most important feature is the introduction of inbuilt screen recorder, which our Galaxy S9 already has since Android 10... so we really aren't missing much, only some notifications changes and some other minor things.
You shouldn't really care about receiving this update... it probably will only make your device slower to be honest hahah
If you REALLY want this... wait for custom roms, they will be lighter and faster than the official one would be.
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Samsung usually adds a lot of extra features in every new Android OS version, and I'm sure it will be the case with OneUI 3.0.

Signed who knows...??????

signed

We deserve this update because the Note 10 lite is just as powerful as the S9 and it's still eligible for android 11 and 12.

Unfortunately, over time, no such petition has been successful

Signed. Damn, first post in 6 years!

signed, yay.

Question I thought android 11 had Seamless update

I have the a21 ultra 256gb SM-G998B/DS.
So far all the updates done including today's security patch for 1 march. The phone rebooted the android man appeared with a progress bar?what's going on here? Unfortunately I didn't have another phone handy to take pictures of this.
So is the S21 ultra seamless update or not?

it's up to manufacturers whether to implement features on not, Samsung phones don't support seamless updates they never had, don't know why u expected it then?

Think it was delayed until A12 that all manufacturers had to have seemless updates.

I expected seamless updated because when android 11 was realised it was announced would force seamless updates?

Digger_m said:
I expected seamless updated because when android 11 was realised it was announced would force seamless updates?
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Google changed the forcing to Android 12 rather than Android 11.

The question is : how useful can the seamless updates be ? Especially that in both cases a reboot is always needed and samsung devices will only require a few supplemental seconds to apply the update ... once or twice a month !

well if you go from 11 to 12 I was under the impression all that's updated was the android part. thus eliminating vendors making it work with there hardware so the update hits the " streets" faster. the last update wasn't just a normal reboot it did the android man screen for 2 to 3 minutes.
so the Next Question is will the S21 get android 12??

Digger_m said:
well if you go from 11 to 12 I was under the impression all that's updated was the android part. thus eliminating vendors making it work with there hardware so the update hits the " streets" faster. the last update wasn't just a normal reboot it did the android man screen for 2 to 3 minutes.
so the Next Question is will the S21 get android 12??
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Yeah sure, the S21 will get a major update once a year until Android 14 included

Samsung rebuilds their updates to make them not seemless why they go that route there is no telling but it's all them android 11 is seemless till oem makes it not

Seamless updates do come with their own cons as well. Since we are on XDA, rooting and updating Partition A and Partition B would be a hassle and require a few extra steps. Also, A and B partitions would mean about 2 GB lesser space available to the user. It is a fair tradeoff I would say.