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With Android getting more optimized and efficient, as well as more feature packed every day; Do you guys (long time rooters like me) feel that root is necessary, or could provide better performance and or battery (obviously it can, but enough to matter?)
This issue is being discussed in many threads and you had to make your own?
I gave up on root with my last phone. Too much hassle, no longer the reward that made it cost effective. And with so many apps checking for root and not working as a result, I gave it up.
My major reason for going with root was more options and functionality. Both of those have pretty much been addressed for me. I don't see the need to overclock my chip anymore, I don't really need TiBu, Tasker works for what I need it to do without root, and, with the advent of the various theme stores and apps, I don't feel the need to flash unsigned zips.
So no, I don't need to root any more. Truly have no complaints on stock anymore.
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This issue is being discussed in many threads and you had to make your own?
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That was exactly what I was thinking.
lazarus0000 said:
I gave up on root with my last phone. Too much hassle, no longer the reward that made it cost effective. And with so many apps checking for root and not working as a result, I gave it up.
My major reason for going with root was more options and functionality. Both of those have pretty much been addressed for me. I don't see the need to overclock my chip anymore, I don't really need TiBu, Tasker works for what I need it to do without root, and, with the advent of the various theme stores and apps, I don't feel the need to flash unsigned zips.
So no, I don't need to root any more. Truly have no complaints on stock anymore.
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Thanks for your input, I'm on the OG Pixel rooted, and I agree with you on newer phones. On this, it's a hassel just updating to newer security patches lol
I root for titanium backup and root explorer. Mostly TB.
I started rooting my phones with the OG droid and in the beginning root was almost a necessity I rooted my droid, droid x ,x2 , droid razr, galaxy s3 and s4 but after my s4 I switched to At&t so I could get the s6 active and the active models were never popular enough for someone in the root community to find a root exploit so I was never able to root my s6 active, s7 active or my s8 active and after going through 3 phone without being able to root I got used to the lack of root access and I also noticed all the things I needed root to do were standard features now so as much as I enjoyed the whole process of rooting my phone at this point i feel like phones dont really need root access anymore. That being said if a root exploit is found for the note 9 I would for sure give it a try, i just got my note 9 and the note line being far more popular than the active line I am hoping someone finds a root exploit just so I can play around with my note and root it for old times sake lol
with root to run exposed's xprivacy(lua) , unless there are alternatives
I choose samsung pay and pass rather then root...
Not really necessary to root now.
for adblocking system wide u can use adhell 3
for youtube adblocking u can use youtube vanced
so no need for root really
I started rooting with the OG DROID. Rooted DINC2, HTC ONE M7, GNEX, Note 3 (maybe 4 I don't remeber), S7, and S8. Like others have said. Most of my reasons for rooting have been eliminated. I only rooted my s8 for the dual speaker mod (note 9 has stereo speakers) and to use volume keys to skip music tracks and to extend battery life. I'm a regular user of YouTube Vanced and Ad Hell also. So unless some really awesome mod is made, if and when SD version gets rooted, I have no reason to root. Note 9 I get just over 20 hours of use before it dies without turning on power saving mode, and it should be noted that I use my phone for everything since I don't have a pc.
I actually got the SD note 9 with the expectation that it will not be rooted seeing that Samsung has really been making it hard the last few years.
Yes, I would not use an android without root, likewise iPhone is useless for me without jailbreaks.
lazarus0000 said:
I don't really need TiBu, Tasker works for what I need it to do without root,
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Tasker? Are you kidding me? Can't even properly freeze apps with it.
Titanium Bu is still crucial to slim down the load on any android device, especially from using a stock rom.
jult said:
Tasker? Are you kidding me? Can't even properly freeze apps with it.
Titanium Bu is still crucial to slim down the load on any android device, especially from using a stock rom.
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I found in my experience that getting rid of bloat ware is more of ridding myself of an offense, rather than opening up more space in my storage. Ridding myself of Facebook, Hancom office, Samsung browser, etc, makes me feel better because it's offensive that Sammy puts that crap on the phone and, until recently, you couldn't uninstall them (still can't uninstall the browser and Samsung specific stuff). But the space they take up is miniscule - a few hundred MB at most. Sure, when 8 GB was the standard for a phone, that stuff made a bit of a difference. But now that 64 GB is the standard, and you have up to 512 available, a few hundred MB isn't a big dent. And being able to disable apps, though not as satisfying as uninstalling crapware from MY phone, gets the job done.
It's a cost / benefit analysis for me. I can spend hours rooting, uninstall all that nonsense, make a few backups, flash a few zips - that's satisfying in the same way that tinkering with my car used to be. But it introduces instability to the system, custom ROMs aren't always as polished as they should be, and closes me off from some apps that I want and won't play well with root, like Netflix, my banking app, Android Pay, etc...
So long as I can get my phone themed to get rid of that blinding whiteness (#WhiteUIMustDie!) and, IMHO, Samsung's gawd awful color scheme (straight from the 70s Halloween!), disable or uninstall the worst of the offenders (Facebook, I'm looking @ you), and have an awesome phone that's stable and does what I want, root isn't really worth it to me. Cost outweighs benefit.
Go back 5 years and that's a different story. Up until my last phone, I wouldn't even consider purchasing one that was locked down. But times have changed and I'm OK with the status quo now.
I don't really think about it anymore which is weird. The only thing I miss (which is more than just root of course) are the really creative ROM scenes of the early Note and others 4-5 or so years ago. It felt like a different space. Even jailbreaks happened with frequency.
Now the manufacturers have upped their security game but along the way they took a lot of the best features that came from early rooting and ROMs. The Note is so packed at this point it's not easy to think of additional features I need.
However, if I couldn't get system wide adblock through VPN I'd consider leaving unrootable devices.
For me root is nice to have for apps like Viper because the N8 sounds bad without it. That and things like Lucky Patcher, ad block, and quite a few other apps that allow me to turn my phone into a server.
I feel that root is still a necessity to get the maximum use out of my device. If I upgrade from my Nexus 6P to the Galaxy S10 next year, it will be with the expectation that someone out there will find a root or bootloader exploit.
Pros:
-debloat all the crapware Sammy installs
-install ROM/mod to activate flashlight with power button with screen off (absolute necessity for me)
-full Tasker support
-increase number of quick toggles
-Viper4Android (you haven't really listened to music on a phone until you've used this app)
-maintain Google/Samsung Pay support with MagiskSu
Cons:
Be careful when updating unless you're on a custom ROM.
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I choose samsung pay and pass rather then root...
Not really necessary to root now.
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I tend to agree, rooted every phone I have owned until my S8+ when I decided not to.
Same with Note 9
root is always needed imo for various reasons
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-maintain Google/Samsung Pay support with MagiskSu
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Samsung Pay isn't compatible with root, as soon as you root you trip Knox and you lose Samsung Pay forever, even if you unroot/flash stock (because Knox has been tripped once).
Good morning (or evening according to timezones)
I have recently purchased a new Note8. Even though the performance is mostly great, I sometimes get lag/stutters and the battery is not that great ( I can get about 3h SOT), but if I don't have my charger with me, there's no chance to get home with the phone still on.
My question is if it is still worth it to root the phone and put a custom Rom on it. I have looked through the various custom rom threads and I am tempted to flash one.
However, my main concern is the banking applications (saw that some don't work anymore after rooting).
At the moment I am on the latest official rom (with the october security patch). I mention that I have no warranty (phone bought from other country), so that shouldn't be an issue.
Any thought please? I have been missing from the android scene for a long time, went IOS there for a while, so I am not sure how to proceed.
Thank you in advance to anyone kind enough to read all this
Bogdan
My Note 8 is the first Samsung phone I haven't rooted as I didn't feel the need to! It's quick and my battery lasts all day (I do have it on medium power saving) and have no problems at all. The Device Maintenance seems to very efficiently clean things up for me when it does get a bit sluggish and I do a restart about every couple of days! I'm very satisfied with my SM-9500 256 GB dual SIM from China! I charge wirelessly every night and use my phone as my bedside clock ...
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My Note 8 is the first Samsung phone I haven't rooted as I didn't feel the need to! It's quick and my battery lasts all day (I do have it on medium power saving) and have no problems at all. The Device Maintenance seems to very efficiently clean things up for me when it does get a bit sluggish and I do a restart about every couple of days! I'm very satisfied with my SM-9500 256 GB dual SIM from China! I charge wirelessly every night and use my phone as my bedside clock ...
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Thank you for your reply. I also use the device maintenance and reboot it occasionally, but battery life seems to he a hit and miss for me. I do keep the phone at max resolution and with a lot of sync on, but what would be the point of having a powerful device if we don't use it
I am also a bit surprised as to the low number of custom roms available. Not complaining or anything, but looking back to my old note 2 experience, there was far more enthusiasm at that time. Though android did get better since then
No benifit... after rooting you can havw viper sound modes (most imp) if you are music lover ..i haven't found anything interesting after rooting. I use stock room with no app removed and only viper4 android install. So there no point of rooting
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No benifit... after rooting you can havw viper sound modes (most imp) if you are music lover ..i haven't found anything interesting after rooting. I use stock room with no app removed and only viper4 android install. So there no point of rooting
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Thank you. I'll probably leave the OS alone for now
usually i always end up not rooting for the first 4-6 months due to warranty stuff.
But the moment i rooted, i've gained at least a 20-25% increase in battery life with the usual control one can have.
If it's for cosmetics, dont need root anymore for that. not much on exposed, things like Good Lock make it stay away from root edits.
I personally root for a few apps that i use, which some of them have better features when on root. and also for debloating.
Unless you are a developer or a tech hobbyist, I don't see the point in rooting current android devices as they work perfectly fine straight out the box.
Well, when rooting you gain total control, and can run some nice and useful apps that require root, I like viper4A, but as you pointed out, some apps do not run on rooted devices, banking and streaming apps among others, and of course, there is the one very important component that you loose for ever, secure folder
Hi guys,
my OP3T is increasingly getting on my nerves and I'd love some input on what I should do next. I've been running rooted OxygenOS with TWRP and SuperSU - as far as I can tell, this is old technology. Every time Oneplus released an update, I'd download the full zip file, flash it in TWRP and flash SuperSU over it. Reboot and I'm up and running again right away.
Now with the OOS 9.x.x release issues, things are getting a bit more complicated - I think this might be the right point in time to do a full wipe, back up everything via Titanium Backup and start fresh with a new custom ROM that will (maybe) provide updates for the next year or two.
In general the OP3T is starting to get a little slow. Google Assistant is flakey (Sometimes doesn't activate properly on "OK Google", sometimes plays the beep and then doesn't record any commands, sometimes pops up behind the home screen icons so you can't read any of the text, sometimes just ignores the "OK Google") and the battery life is going downhill a little bit. I'm hoping a fresh wipe and maybe a new ROM will help here. I also need to take care of the earpiece issues - mine is clogged with dust, as are many Oneplus phones if Google results are anything to go by...
So I have a few options:
1. Sell the OP3T cheap (can't give it to my girlfriend because of the earpiece), buy a Pixel or some other phone
2. Upgrade the OP3T to OxygenOS 9.x.x and keep my data with this method (https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3t/how-to/guide-cope-9-0-3-5-0-8-firmware-barrier-t3941164)
3. Upgrade the OP3T to OOS 9.x.x, wipe everything and move to Magisk or something like that - what are my options here? Is Magisk the go-to method to get root these days?
4. Pick a custom ROM, wipe everything and just move to that. Anyone have a recommendation that's pretty much stock Android, stable and will likely receive regular security updates for the next one or two years? Easy updates with root would be a definite plus!
Any suggestions? Half of me is about ready to trash the OP3T and just get a Pixel now that I can't hear callers when I answer the phone
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Any suggestions? Half of me is about ready to trash the OP3T and just get a Pixel now that I can't hear callers when I answer the phone
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You could get the ear piece and microphone ports cleaned.
You could do a clean install.
You could install custom ROMs
You could upgrade.
These are all choice you make.
My personal choice: I'm keeping my phone for at least 4 years. I'd be happy very with just OOS (I think it's the best rom I've ever used), but I want security updates. And for that reason I use LineageOS (I've been using it and CM since 2012).
You make your choice based on what matters too you.
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Hi Bill,
thanks for your answer.
Of course it's a personal choice that I'll have to make - I'm just looking to get some more info and pros/cons for each choice before wasting my time. Cleaning my earpiece is something that'll take an hour or so of careful fiddling (Is there a permanent fix to get it dustproof? Maybe an aftermarket dust gasket of some kind?), and backup/wipe/flash/restore is something that'll certainly take a chunk out of one of my weekends. All in all that's probably 12 hours of my life I'm not getting back.
Mainly what I want to know is: Is wiping the phone flashing a custom ROM like LineageOS viable for reliable day to day use on the OP3T? How has your experience been compared to OxygenOS in regards to:
-Updates (both security and Android version) - Is the update process seamless now or is it still done purely by a flash from recovery?
-Stability (I'm seeing only nightly builds on the LineageOS page [https://download.lineageos.org/oneplus3] - are there stable or even milestone builds?)
-Feature completeness compared to OxygenOS... do things like double-tap-to-wake work?
-Root... as I asked in my OP, what method is standard these days? Lineage suggests its "AddonSU" package but everyone else seems to say Magisk ist the way to go...?
-Is anything broken?
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Does anyone else have alternative suggestions in regards to ROMs that may be exactly what I'm looking for? Something that looks and feels exactly like OxygenOS?
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Mainly what I want to know is: Is wiping the phone flashing a custom ROM like LineageOS viable for reliable day to day use on the OP3T? How has your experience been compared to OxygenOS in regards to:
-Updates (both security and Android version) - Is the update process seamless now or is it still done purely by a flash from recovery?
-Stability (I'm seeing only nightly builds on the LineageOS page [https://download.lineageos.org/oneplus3] - are there stable or even milestone builds?)
-Feature completeness compared to OxygenOS... do things like double-tap-to-wake work?
-Root... as I asked in my OP, what method is standard these days? Lineage suggests its "AddonSU" package but everyone else seems to say Magisk ist the way to go...?
-Is anything broken?
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Updates: I dirty flash them in recovery once a month.
Security updates: Los gets them every month. OOS may get one more update, but that will be the last.
Completeness: I find Los as good as OOS. And Nlos (https://forum.xda-developers.com/on...elopment/rom-nlos-16-0-t3879405/post78433980) even has scrolling screenshots. Note: I don't care much about the camera as I rarely use it.
Root: I've been using Magisk since SuperSU became unsupported. I like it better than SuperSU. I have absolutely to problems with it.
Broken: nothing's broken for me.
But you would have known all of this if you read through the various threads. And there's no "best" rom as it's a subjective decision.
So jump in and try things for yourself.
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I was just wondering if those who unlocked their bootloader and unlocked their devices then rooted faced any issues and are there any drawbacks as I am a new pixel user ?
Just unlocked the bootloader and rooted my P4 XL last night. So far I haven't noticed any issues.
I haven't seen any evidence that rooted Magisk impacts battery life. Been a pixel user since P1XL.
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Battery life is unaffected. You may have problems with banking apps, Google Pay, and that sort of thing from time to time. These can usually be fixed by hiding root/unlocked bootloader but it's any ongoing thing that you have to keep up on. That's it, root is harmless although a power tool that you can use to screw yourself. In case you're not aware: Do your homework before you start flashing. Know the steps you'll follow from beginning to end. Follow them exactly. Have a backup in case you need to restore.
Actually there are special circumstances where magisk can go crazy and chew through your battery but it was largely fixed in v18
For most users it won't affect anything, and for the very few that it does its self inflicted from modifying files that magisk relies on (logd, Daemons, etc)
So no need to worry
Personally I haven't rooted yet, but I'm sure I will once the Dec patch comes out
**Edit** Post taken down**
Look for Senior Member/Dev(s) post for A12L(great job on PE+)
Esb1809 said:
Haven't seen any posts or heard anyone mention it yet but Pixel Experience on 5a is now official build(link below). Flashed it last night from A13 DP1 & pretty damn happy with all aspects (stability, set-up, looks/feel)
https://download.pixelexperience.org/barbet
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Thank you for posting new rom link. What differences you noticed between this rom and stock? Is battery life better?
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Thank you for posting new rom link. What differences you noticed between this rom and stock? Is battery life better?
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Honestly, for 90%+ of things/time it's almost identical to stock with tiny tweaks here & there. Biggest difference by far is exactly what they advertise as having... STABILITY. It just feels like a rock solid mirror image of A12 on a Pixel which is exactly what I was looking for, Magisk can tweak the rest.
For battery life, seems like it's definitely on par or better but I run LSpeed on all my devices so that's just my opinion, no proof.
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Haven't seen any posts or heard anyone mention it yet but Pixel Experience on 5a is now official build(link below). Flashed it last night from A13 DP1 & pretty damn happy with all aspects (stability, set-up, looks/feel)
https://download.pixelexperience.org/barbet
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Finally got this flashed with twrp and it's very stable. Passes safetynet out the box without magisk and face unlock is a nice addition. Hopefully they make an official thread for it soon
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Finally got this flashed with twrp and it's very stable. Passes safetynet out the box without magisk and face unlock is a nice addition. Hopefully they make an official thread for it soon
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+1. I additionally flashed with fsociety tribute kernel and love it.
flashed with unoffical twrp in adb sideload gave errors but i just ignored them. booted up no problems. went through setup. rebooted back to bootloader flashed fsociety tribute kernel with unoffical twrp adb side load. so far no problems.
anyone know how to get magisk to work?
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flashed with unoffical twrp in adb sideload gave errors but i just ignored them. booted up no problems. went through setup. rebooted back to bootloader flashed fsociety tribute kernel with unoffical twrp adb side load. so far no problems.
anyone know how to get magisk to work?
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Reboot to twrp and adb sideload magisk.apk
interesting. i always changed magisk.apk to magisk.zip and tried to flash it. never tried adb sideload the magisk.zip. worked like a charm. thanks! now it makes me want to reroot my nvidia shield.
i was actually surprised how easy it was to compile their rom. their instructs are fairly straight forward. skipped the ccache stuff first time. 2nd time i enabled it with compressing made it a little slower. compiled on debian 11 both times with no problems. process is long with the ccache and compression. 1hr 30min to 1hr 40min on my duel cpu 32 cores total running at 3.6ghz and 160gb of memory with a wd sn750 1tb nvme drive.
i think i have found rom that i will stick with until a really customized one comes along. barely any google garbage loaded on it. anything else i can root with magisk and use system tools android to strip out the few remaining google garbage apps.
best part is it's on A12 so the unoffical twrp seems to work without too many problems.
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i was actually surprised how easy it was to compile their rom. their instructs are fairly straight forward. skipped the ccache stuff first time. 2nd time i enabled it with compressing made it a little slower. compiled on debian 11 both times with no problems. process is long with the ccache and compression. 1hr 30min to 1hr 40min on my duel cpu 32 cores total running at 3.6ghz and 160gb of memory with a wd sn750 1tb nvme drive.
i think i have found rom that i will stick with until a really customized one comes along. barely any google garbage loaded on it. anything else i can root with magisk and use system tools android to strip out the few remaining google garbage apps.
best part is it's on A12 so the unoffical twrp seems to work without too many problems.
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How is the battery life? I have tested for a week and the battery life is not that great
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How is the battery life? I have tested for a week and the battery life is not that great
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i stripped out a lot of apps. chrome, play store ar, calendar, digital wellbeing, pixel launcher (replaced with nova 7), gboard (replaced with openboard), safety, record, android auto (worthless i drive a 78 k10 and have a 2 knob radio), google support services (backdoor for google) and a few other useless apps that i can't think of at the moment. all can be removed once rooted with magisk and i use system tools android (the only app i have found that removes them and not hides them) to strip out the system apps. i use greenify (gotta get the beta from app mirror to use it on 12) to kill the apps as soon as the screen shuts off. i loaded fsociety tribute kernel. no tweaks i think i bumped the max cpu 24 mhz just to smooth it out a little more. i don't use the phone a lot. connected to wifi most of the time. gone from 100% to 77% in 22hrs about. i have only had the rom installed for a little over 24hrs. the battery drain seems about the same as stock. i did a dirty flash of my build of pixel experience and had to reroot in that 22hrs. so most of that 22hrs is standby time. mostly i check my miner and the price of crypto every so often and clean up my junk emails.
i guess i will know more as the week goes on. i usually get about two days of my type of usage before i get down to about 36% or so and charge again.
my main reason for switching is because i could not update any apps on the stock rom. if i updated messages. the keyboard would disappear or not show up. just before i flashed to this one. i would get the text message notice and when i went to the app. there was no new message. i would have to close and reopen the app to see the message, maps if i started a nav and because i use 3 button gestures. i couldn't close maps when i was done or it would split screen and hang up so you couldn't use the phone. phone and contacts app would work about 1/2 the time. camera app i would be lucky if it opened. problem with all of these apps for me have been going on since the A11 first release. i kept flashing new stock rom after stock rom hoping they would fix their garbage rom. that never happened. it got worse not better each factory rom flash. not really a LineageOS fan. nothing wrong with it. just its on A11 and the unoffical twrp seems to work a lot better on an A12 so i figured i would give this one a shot.
Anyone else having any form of A12/L/QPR3/ROM reduce their WiFi features down to just a toggle that, in true Google fashion, doesn't seem to toggle anything??
After the enjoyable game of "who gets pissed & hangs up on who first", I know it's baffling the hell outta whatever grade school they outsourced their tech support to..
Updated to 2022/3/30 build using updater. Stuck at 50% finalizing update. After uninstalling Magisk finalizing update was completed. Reinstalling and patching boot.img to get root back caused boot loop. What did I do wrong?
EDIT: forgot to add that used factory img from previous February build to patch. Do boot.img change every build?
Esb1809 said:
Haven't seen any posts or heard anyone mention it yet but Pixel Experience on 5a is now official build(link below). Flashed it last night from A13 DP1 & pretty damn happy with all aspects (stability, set-up, looks/feel)
https://download.pixelexperience.org/barbet
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The question is, there are headphones, they have support for aptx adaptiv, a Google pixel 5a phone, the processor supports the codec, but there is no support in the system, can the PE developer include this codec in the firmware?
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The question is, there are headphones, they have support for aptx adaptiv, a Google pixel 5a phone, the processor supports the codec, but there is no support in the system, can the PE developer include this codec in the firmware?
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I'm not affiliated with PE ROM in any way, other than posting the link to give people an option besides LOS18.1, so that'd be a question for the dev(s).
I know there were a few Magisk modules floating around on Github but support for A12+ would be the kicker, could be a quick fix...
**Also PE+ should drop any day now for the Pixel 5a but haven't had time to actually read up on what's different with PE vs PE+**
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The question is, there are headphones, they have support for aptx adaptiv, a Google pixel 5a phone, the processor supports the codec, but there is no support in the system, can the PE developer include this codec in the firmware?
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you probably would get a better answer to that question in their telegram group. as this thread is started by a regular user not one of their developers.