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Cool - but not feeling it's worth $299.

Going to give it a week - this doesn't feel like something worth 300 bucks when compared to the note 4 I got for free!! (99 dollar bill credit + 189 for the 10 dollar recycled phone)....
Things don't seem to be happening much on the EDGE part of the phone I know I'm overly picky
Anyone else with me?

I have both the Note 4 and just received the S6 Edge this morning. The Note 4 is being sold. No regrets. After using the Edge since this morning the Note 4 feels very cheap. Also the Note 4 (Verizon) feels so sluggish and laggy versus the zippy S6.

Please report if the cellular standby battery drain issue is present in the verizon edge. Also does the phone properly deep sleep?

kremer4 said:
I have both the Note 4 and just received the S6 Edge this morning. The Note 4 is being sold. No regrets. After using the Edge since this morning the Note 4 feels very cheap. Also the Note 4 (Verizon) feels so sluggish and laggy versus the zippy S6.
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Totally agree with the zippy part of this post. I just can't seem to deal with the smaller screen I guess.

I had the Note 4, Note Edge and now o have the S6 Edge. They are all great phones but the S6 Edge feels so much superior in every way. Speed, overall quality of the phone and the camera is just killer. When you compare the displays of all these phones the S6 Edge display it's just om another level.

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Please report if the cellular standby battery drain issue is present in the verizon edge. Also does the phone properly deep sleep?
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After playing with it since charging it this afternoon, cell standby is my biggest battery user at 15% :/

kalicki said:
After playing with it since charging it this afternoon, cell standby is my biggest battery user at 15% :/
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You probably need to close all the useless apps and disable them before getting a better indication of battery. Unless you have already done so, and I'm just tripping. It's really a shame that Samsung shoved more bloatware into the device than stuffing into a Thanksgiving turkey.

having a Note 3 with a Note 4 based ROM on it i was sure about the Edge for about the first 24 hours then it just hit me that there is no way i will go back and that "maybe" my big screen philosophy was wrong.
i was not a pen user so that didnt really matter to me. i did have concerns about storage but not battery as i have external packs i rarely ever need.
i also have not used a case for years but i did order THIS Spigen case and thats when it all came together. that case was exactly the security in holding it and ease of picking it up that i was looking for and now i am VERY satisfied with it.
yesterday i needed to fire up my Note 3 (same size as 4) and it felt huge. i knew i could go back and get used to it but now i like the smaller form factor better again.
there are some issue like cell standby that i hope get addressed but the fact that many of the main reasons i root like rows and columns and themes have been addressed i am as happy with this purchase as about any phone before it.

I don't have my Galaxy S6 Edge yet, but I do have a Note Edge right now. I went from the Note 2, to the Note 3, to the Note Edge to be exact so I have had the larger screen, S-Pen, and huge battery for a long time now. In that time, I have really grown to enjoy these phones. When I agreed to upgrade to the Galaxy S6 Edge, I was hesitant at first. I have a friend who works for Verizon business who let me play with his phone for about 40 minutes and I was hooked. This thing was simply awesome. You are right, the S6 Edge doesn't have an S-Pen, the screen is smaller, and the battery life isn't as good. On the plus side, you have superior construction, a faster processor, better camera, wireless charging, and so on.
I am not saying that the S6 Edge is better in every way. What I am saying is that there are pluses and minuses and you have to decide which way you want to go. There is no right or wrong answer here. The only opinion that matters is what you think and if you want to go with a Note 4, then go for it. I can tell you right now that I believe I am going to miss some of the Note features such as the bigger battery and screen when I get my S6 Edge. At the same time though, after having large phablets for the last few years, I am eager to try something new and smaller.

J3ff said:
Going to give it a week - this doesn't feel like something worth 300 bucks when compared to the note 4 I got for free!! (99 dollar bill credit + 189 for the 10 dollar recycled phone)....
Things don't seem to be happening much on the EDGE part of the phone I know I'm overly picky
Anyone else with me?
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There's a lot of new going on under the hood for both models. UFS 2 is huge. HUGE! I don't know why this isn't getting more hype, especially since so many are grumbling about the lack of a micro SD card slot. What an easy way to get people to shut up about it... explain the science of UFS 2, and have a video demonstration on how it improves everything day to day. DDR4 is also awesome, but will likely be on every model next year. I really think/see the edge as just better. I really like how video looks on it (floating effect) and how text scrolls up and down when in horizontal orientation. Swiping also feels great. It's just physically better. I could care less about that physicality bringing new useless features.
The S6 Edge to me, is nearly perfect for our current world. We are plateauing a bit in terms of cell phone functionality... now it's time to introduce new design elements, and Samsung nailed it.

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Im of a similar mind I think ill return my edge and get the regular s6 Id take the storage over the screen which aesthetically pleasing it really has no value to "me"

I think I was leaning very heavy to do the regular s6 vs the s6 Edge, especially for the storage. But the one thing that made me go for the S6 Edge was that every other Samsung I have owned (which is a lot, Note 2/3/4 & S2/S3) have all looked like the S6 Edge. Sure the material is nicer, but it's a marginal upgrade from the Note 4.
I think the S6 Edge was so bold and it looks awesome. Will it provide functional use? No, probably not. But it doesn't hurt that I got $100 off from trading in a device and it ended up being the same price as the S6. Even without the trade in, I'm happy with the choice. It looks and feels nice in the hand, aside from being a spec monster, I'll pay a premium for looks.... within reason.

Note 9 vs. S10+ which will last longer?

Which phone will be more long lasting in terms that it will not slow down after Android or Interface (Samsung Experience, One UI) upgrades?
I'm looking between these 2 phones for the one that will have a better CHANCE for lasting 5 years being as quick and as “battery life good” AS POSSIBLE.
I think all of us know that the OEMs make our phones slower by patches, upgrades with attached algorithms to slowly month after month (so we couldn’t notice) shorten the battery life, slower the speed and make battery consumption bigger with sole intention for us to buy a new model next year or in the next 2 years.
BTW I don’t need the Pen and I don’t play any games and I don’t need a super good cam. EDIT: no rooting and no custom romming for me on that device for ever.
If I don't need the Pen why to bother with Note you may ask?
Well, I hope that Note being the business phone is going to be treated better by Samsung in the above terms than a Galaxy S phone, but maybe it’s the other way around?
What do You think?

androidbadboy said:
Which phone will be more long lasting in terms that it will not slow down after Android or Interface (Samsung Experience, One UI) upgrades?
I'm looking between these 2 phones for the one that will have a better CHANCE for lasting 5 years being as quick and as “battery life good” AS POSSIBLE.
I think all of us know that the OEMs make our phones slower by patches, upgrades with attached algorithms to slowly month after month (so we couldn’t notice) shorten the battery life, slower the speed and make battery consumption bigger with sole intention for us to buy a new model next year or in the next 2 years.
BTW I don’t need the Pen and I don’t play any games and I don’t need a super good cam.
If I don't need the Pen why to bother with Note you may ask?
Well, I hope that Note being the business phone is going to be treated better by Samsung in the above terms than a Galaxy S phone, but maybe it’s the other way around?
What do You think?
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i'm using a Tab S 8.4 SM-T705 LTE as a daily driver it's coming up to 5 years, it's still going strong! im rooted modded my Tab S is an awesome bit of kit!
Both phones you have suggested, can easily last past 5 years so it's up to you what are you reqiuremnets do you need a S-PEN ? or you into photography then go for the S10+
i'm planning on keeping my Note 9 for next 5+ years! that's if samsung dont put a hole in the display, for the next Note lineup, if they do then this is my last Note from samsung i'm ever purchasing!
if you dont mind the hole punch in the display? Then go for the S10+ as that screen on the S10+ looks awesome! i find it much brighter then the Note 9! Also i doubt i'll ever upgrade my Note 9 to ONE UI PIE 9 it runs super smooth on Oreo 8.1 so i'm sorted for the next half decade!
It's all about personal preference,

N1NJATH3ORY said:
i'm using a Tab S 8.4 SM-T705 LTE as a daily driver it's coming up to 5 years, it's still going strong! im rooted modded my Tab S is an awesome bit of kit!
Both phones you have suggested, can easily last past 5 years so it's up to you what are you reqiuremnets do you need a S-PEN ? or you into photography then go for the S10+
i'm planning on keeping my Note 9 for next 5+ years! that's if samsung dont put a hole in the display, for the next Note lineup, if they do then this is my last Note from samsung i'm ever purchasing!
if you dont mind the hole punch in the display? Then go for the S10+ as that screen on the S10+ looks awesome! i find it much brighter then the Note 9! Also i doubt i'll ever upgrade my Note 9 to ONE UI PIE 9 it runs super smooth on Oreo 8.1 so i'm sorted for the next half decade!
It's all about personal preference,
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Thanks for responding!
1. As I said I don't need a S-Pen and I don't need a super good cam. So neither drawing nor photo making is my deal. I just want a super fast Samsung phone like these 2.
2. The screen od S10+ looks and feels in touch even absolutley awesome.
3. I'm happy to hear that someone is not laughing that a device would last 5 years..
4. I found out yesterday in shop that on stock rom (Oreo) Note 9 runs smooth but I fear that after upgrading to Pie+ One UI there's going to be at least micropauses, (it freezes for a second), lags, no smoothnes enymore like in S8 that recently upgraded from Oreo. All stock, no root, no custom.
5. Do You think the same will happen to your Note9 after that upgrade? Are You afraid?
6. Is it possible not to accept an Android upgrade in Samsung but still accept security patches? And how can I do it since each time I will me asked to first - upgrade to Pie+OneUI?

androidbadboy said:
Thanks for responding!
1. As I said I don't need a S-Pen and I don't need a super good cam. So neither drawing nor photo making is my deal. I just want a super fast Samsung phone like these 2.
2. The screen od S10+ looks and feels in touch even absolutley awesome.
3. I'm happy to hear that someone is not laughing that a device would last 5 years..
4. I found out yesterday in shop that on stock rom (Oreo) Note 9 runs smooth but I fear that after upgrading to Pie+ One UI there's going to be at least micropauses, (it freezes for a second), lags, no smoothnes enymore like in S8 that recently upgraded from Oreo. All stock, no root, no custom.
5. Do You think the same will happen to your Note9 after that upgrade? Are You afraid?
6. Is it possible not to accept an Android upgrade in Samsung but still accept security patches? And how can I do it since each time I will me asked to first - upgrade to Pie+OneUI?
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1: S10+ is the one to go for then!
2: That screen is awesome i had a play with one wow it’s really sharp and bright it's an beautiful AMOLED display SAMSUNG nailed the S10+ display!
3: Dude there's nothing wrong with having a half a decade old device! (Please ignore keyboard warriors! Oh no he’s keeping a device for 5 years lol) When people see video playing on my Tab S 8.4 it's so sharp and bright they are shocked how amazing it looks not bad for nearly a 5 year old device!
4: its early days for ONE UI PIE 9 as i did install it only played with it for 24/48 hours! Man they have taken so much away really feels childish! i think Samsung thinks if they copy Apple they will become even more successful stupid way Samsung is going!
5: See my 4th answer early days as i said before let ONE UI PIE 9 get ripe maybe in a few years i'll upgrade!
6: No it’s not possible! Well that's what I’ve heard i could be wrong! Truthfully security patches I’m not bothered about them, there's so many sheep (No offence to anyone) People thinking if they don’t have the latest security patches they will get hacked or owned what a load of bull! Please note Google isn’t no small player! Also please note i do daily banking, Amazon Shopping eBay Purchases, PayPal Transfers purchases random website shopping etc. from my rooted Tab S 8.4 i haven't had no issue never been hacked! And i doubt it ill ever get hacked!

N1NJATH3ORY said:
1: S10+ is the one to go for then!
2: That screen is awesome i had a play with one wow it’s really sharp and bright it's an beautiful AMOLED display SAMSUNG nailed the S10+ display!
3: Dude there's nothing wrong with having a half a decade old device! (Please ignore keyboard warriors! Oh no he’s keeping a device for 5 years lol) When people see video playing on my Tab S 8.4 it's so sharp and bright they are shocked how amazing it looks not bad for nearly a 5 year old device!
4: its early days for ONE UI PIE 9 as i did install it only played with it for 24/48 hours! Man they have taken so much away really feels childish! i think Samsung thinks if they copy Apple they will become even more successful stupid way Samsung is going!
5: See my 4th answer early days as i said before let ONE UI PIE 9 get ripe maybe in a few years i'll upgrade!
6: No it’s not possible! Well that's what I’ve heard i could be wrong! Truthfully security patches I’m not bothered about them, there's so many sheep (No offence to anyone) People thinking if they don’t have the latest security patches they will get hacked or owned what a load of bull! Please note Google isn’t no small player! Also please note i do daily banking, Amazon Shopping eBay Purchases, PayPal Transfers purchases random website shopping etc. from my rooted Tab S 8.4 i haven't had no issue never been hacked! And i doubt it ill ever get hacked!
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With all do respect it's harder to get hacked on 1) tablet 2) old 3) rooted and maybe custom romed 4) not so popular compared to the phones we're talking about
besides I think I wrote that I'm not going to root nor custom rom the device ever EDIT: I didn't, I'm sorry, I edited the OP.
1. I know how factinating the screen is but the longivity is my absolute target.

androidbadboy said:
With all do respect it's harder to get hacked on 1) tablet 2) old 3) rooted and maybe custom romed 4) not so popular compared to the phones we're talking about
besides I think I wrote that I'm not going to root nor custom rom the device ever EDIT: I didn't, I'm sorry, I edited the OP.
1. I know how factinating the screen is but the longivity is my absolute target.
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if i didn’t have the Note 9 i would have gone for the S10+ one thing i hate about these days smartphones batteries are not user removable! My Tab S 8.4 i could easily get 10+ hours out of it hard use!
Now i get around 3 or 4 hours that’s with just under 4000 chargers discharges!
So this time I’m not letting the note 9 drop below 20% and i try not to charge full 100% keep it at 80 or 90% i just want to see few years even 4 years down the road if the battery can give me a easily day use as it now!
Just be careful with battery charge discharges if you really want it to last 4/5 years!
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S10 Plus vs Note 9 - The ULTIMATE Camera Comparison! just saw this video as you did say camera!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCrdivAPBuM

N1NJATH3ORY said:
if i didn’t have the Note 9 i would have gone for the S10+ one thing i hate about these days smartphones batteries are not user removable! My Tab S 8.4 i could easily get 10+ hours out of it hard use!
Now i get around 3 or 4 hours that’s with just under 4000 chargers discharges!
So this time I’m not letting the note 9 drop below 20% and i try not to charge full 100% keep it at 80 or 90% i just want to see few years even 4 years down the road if the battery can give me a easily day use as it now!
Just be careful with battery charge discharges if you really want it to last 4/5 years!
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1. You removed the old battery and bought a new one?
2. I am already careful with that 20-90% but ti's quite hard on S8 with 3000 mAh but I imagine it even could be harder on Note 9 with 4000 mAh.
3. Let me ask You this: On the day of start of sale of Note 9 or on the day of start of sale of S10+ if both devices cost exactly the same would you still gone for S10+ and why?
You could have gone for Galaxy S devices long ago, with S9+ for example or ealier. Why did You even buy that Note9 then if You probably don't share my theory of Samsung respecting the Note users more than Galaxy S users?

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S10 Plus vs Note 9 - The ULTIMATE Camera Comparison! just saw this video as you did say camera!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCrdivAPBuM
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I don't need to watch it. I compered these cams long time while being in a shop.
I don't care how great the winner is. The looser is still so good that I don't care about that.
And I said something about camera (read again please) for people not to try to suggest me getting a Xiaomi POCOPHONE F1 that has Snapdragon 845, from screens on the net it has a good camera and it costs 300 USD.

androidbadboy said:
1. You removed the old battery and bought a new one?
2. I am already careful with that 20-90% but ti's quite hard on S8 with 3000 mAh but I imagine it even could be harder on Note 9 with 4000 mAh.
3. Let me ask You this: On the day of start of sale of Note 9 or on the day of start of sale of S10+ if both devices cost exactly the same would you still gone for S10+ and why?
You could have gone for Galaxy S devices long ago, with S9+ for example or ealier. Why did You even buy that Note9 then if You probably don't share my theory of Samsung respecting the Note users more than Galaxy S users?
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1: Nope it’s still the original battery!
2: brilliant i only recently found out 20-80% battery theory!
3: That’s hard question wow I’m leaning towards the Note 9 due to Bluetooth S-Pen it's so cool and real handy in real world use! Plus Note feels more pro type of device! But after seeing the S10+ the other day! Sorry here I go again the screen i know i keep going on about the screen sorry i can’t get it out of my head it's so crisp bright! But the only true upper hand the S10+ has over the Note-9 is the camera setup and here i go again screen and off course the newer Exynos CPU!
4: i did go for the Galaxy S8+ on launch (waste of £870 as I didn’t use more than a handful of times. I swear I didn’t charge it no more than 50 times no lie over a year and some odd months I had the s8+) See all my life i kind of have been a Note user don’t get me wrong the Galaxy S8+ was a brilliant device but dam did I find it real boring! It like felt this phone is not for power users, it’s for the general folk!
i agree with you 100% Samsung Note user do have more respect than there Galaxy S users! Everyone knows! Samsung Galaxy Note Smartphones are for the power users and the business users!
You can truly run a company of the Note 9 it’s got so much power plus DEX plus Linux on DEX! Yeah I know you can get it on the Galaxy S range! But it feels more premium when it’s running on the Note sorry to sound geeky but you can’t mess with the Galaxy Note range as it’s in the league of its own!

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1: Nope it’s still the original battery!
2: brilliant i only recently found out 20-80% battery theory!
3: That’s hard question wow I’m leaning towards the Note 9 due to Bluetooth S-Pen it's so cool and real handy in real world use! Plus Note feels more pro type of device! But after seeing the S10+ the other day! Sorry here I go again the screen i know i keep going on about the screen sorry i can’t get it out of my head it's so crisp bright! But the only true upper hand the S10+ has over the Note-9 is the camera setup and here i go again screen and off course the newer Exynos CPU!
4: i did go for the Galaxy S8+ on launch (waste of £870 as I didn’t use more than a handful of times. I swear I didn’t charge it no more than 50 times no lie over a year and some odd months I had the s8+) See all my life i kind of have been a Note user don’t get me wrong the Galaxy S8+ was a brilliant device but dam did I find it real boring! It like felt this phone is not for power users, it’s for the general folk!
i agree with you 100% Samsung Note user do have more respect than there Galaxy S users! Everyone knows! Samsung Galaxy Note Smartphones are for the power users and the business users!
You can truly run a company of the Note 9 it’s got so much power plus DEX plus Linux on DEX! Yeah I know you can get it on the Galaxy S range! But it feels more premium when it’s running on the Note sorry to sound geeky but you can’t mess with the Galaxy Note range as it’s in the league of its own!
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1. wow, just wow!
2. Me too.
3. I don't mind that you bring it up often cause I also was paralyzed when I saw and touched S10+ screen with my bare hands and it totally ruined my plans for quick decision making. I was mezmorized just like You and yeah the Note 9 ' 10nm Exynos vs. 8 nm Exynos in S10+ that makes it even more harder cause the seller told me it's the first Samsung SoC that took the idea of AI seriously, however I don't believe in this hardware-software AI marketing BS. It's just good software algorythms and all - like the ones that make photos better and find faces on camera app. The newer Exynos is just better case it's minus nm and its newer a probably better.
4. I'm shocked how we share very simillar experiance and way of thinking. My S8 was long on the shelf aswell. I agree with the rest.
5. Can You please tell me if I order Note 9 in 1h what are the names of these DEX devices to put into the cart that are for Note9 deigned. I will get a % off then. I don't have time to check it now on line cause there's too much of this and Samsung always changed something in names depending on which type of flagship and generation it was.
6. I share real conceirn about not accepting any update after potentially purchasing Note9 - cause the first will probably be the Pie+OneUI ****pack.
7. Please tell me in short about Linux on Dex that you mentioned. What's that about?

androidbadboy said:
Which phone will be more long lasting in terms that it will not slow down after Android or Interface (Samsung Experience, One UI) upgrades?
I'm looking between these 2 phones for the one that will have a better CHANCE for lasting 5 years being as quick and as “battery life good” AS POSSIBLE.
I think all of us know that the OEMs make our phones slower by patches, upgrades with attached algorithms to slowly month after month (so we couldn’t notice) shorten the battery life, slower the speed and make battery consumption bigger with sole intention for us to buy a new model next year or in the next 2 years.
BTW I don’t need the Pen and I don’t play any games and I don’t need a super good cam. EDIT: no rooting and no custom romming for me on that device for ever.
If I don't need the Pen why to bother with Note you may ask?
Well, I hope that Note being the business phone is going to be treated better by Samsung in the above terms than a Galaxy S phone, but maybe it’s the other way around?
What do You think?
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You said a couple of things (you don't need a pen, for note in this case, and don't need super camera, S10 in this other case) that for me means that you don't really need both of them and for the pen, this was the real deal that made a note the most reliable respect to others in business terms in all the years since this solution was adopted to a phone / faphlet making it more nearly to laptops or desktops in its business functions.
In business terms, less bugs is the right solution and to have this situation, that means less firmware updates and not the opposite because when having a lot of updates, that means mostly correction of bugs and not only monthly security pacthes....for example, passing from oreo to Pie only when Pie gets to be solid rock is right for the note because it's intended for business uses but not for the S10 because it's intended for people who wants mostly a new OS for the new functions and don't mostly care of some secondary bugs knowing that there going away in the next releases so they can wait. Seams ridiculess, but believe me that there are a lot of people that wants the beta versions (full of the wrost bugs) because they can't wait for the stable versions coming out.
Saing this, the bugs that can afflict a phone after a major OS update is equel to every model so battery drains, freezes, slowing down situations and other things can or can't happen equally to all and mostley bepends on the modifications (new launchers, apps in conflict with the new OS, ecc) made to the phone before the upgrade that goes in conflict and even depends on cash /data conflicts and corruptions so that's the reason why when having problems, wipe cash or data of the single app or of the entire phone resolves.
For the phone itself, the note 9 is the only one having a revolutionary cooper pipe cooling system that makes cpu and gpu working cooler and faster (less autotrotheling for to much heating... in other words, less cpu gpu frequency drop downs for heating protection ) and makes all being more durable and only for this, the note is the best since now, even more then the S10, and this should be even the answer of the title of this thread.
On the other hand, the S10 is the new model and like for the coming out of all new models, it's going to have new hardware solutions so better cameras, stronger and faster cpu / gpu respect to the older models. Notoriously, the note series having same hardware of the S series so the note 9 is basicly an S9 with a better cooling system (the first time happening) , bigger battery and screen and also having a pen with correlated functions...so, definitely, the choise is yours and depends on what you need or want.

joedellosso69 said:
You said a couple of things (you don't need a pen, for note in this case, and don't need super camera, S10 in this other case) that for me means that you don't really need both of them and for the pen, this was the real deal that made a note the most reliable respect to others in business terms in all the years since this solution was adopted to a phone / faphlet making it more nearly to laptops or desktops in its business functions.
In business terms, less bugs is the right solution and to have this situation, that means less firmware updates and not the opposite because when having a lot of updates, that means mostly correction of bugs and not only monthly security pacthes....for example, passing from oreo to Pie only when Pie gets to be solid rock is right for the note because it's intended for business uses but not for the S10 because it's intended for people who wants mostly a new OS for the new functions and don't mostly care of some secondary bugs knowing that there going away in the next releases so they can wait. Seams ridiculess, but believe me that there are a lot of people that wants the beta versions (full of the wrost bugs) because they can't wait for the stable versions coming out.
Saing this, the bugs that can afflict a phone after a major OS update is equel to every model so battery drains, freezes, slowing down situations and other things can or can't happen equally to all and mostley bepends on the modifications (new launchers, apps in conflict with the new OS, ecc) made to the phone before the upgrade that goes in conflict and even depends on cash /data conflicts and corruptions so that's the reason why when having problems, wipe cash or data of the single app or of the entire phone resolves.
For the phone itself, the note 9 is the only one having a revolutionary cooper pipe cooling system that makes cpu and gpu working cooler and faster (less autotrotheling for to much heating ) and makes all be more durable and only for this, the note is the best since now... even more then the S10.
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That is a very original point of view. Thanks a lot for Your input.
1. I don't need a pen cause I'm not an artist, drawer, graphics guy. I bought a Stylus for S8 and I enjoy it and use it 1/3 of the time. Maybe I get addicted to S-Pen like many people as I've heard.
2. I like smooth and fast responsive phones with super AMOLED and nice interface ..... etc. so S10+ vs. Note 9 stays on the battle field.
3. Do You think that upgrading S8 the first day Pie+OneUI came trough OTA and started lagging, 1-second freezing, not smoothing would never happen on the first day on Note9 and now after some time I could with no hesitation update Note9 and be sure that I will notice no drop in the 2. point areas?

androidbadboy said:
1. wow, just wow!
2. Me too.
3. I don't mind that you bring it up often cause I also was paralyzed when I saw and touched S10+ screen with my bare hands and it totally ruined my plans for quick decision making. I was mezmorized just like You and yeah the Note 9 ' 10nm Exynos vs. 8 nm Exynos in S10+ that makes it even more harder cause the seller told me it's the first Samsung SoC that took the idea of AI seriously, however I don't believe in this hardware-software AI marketing BS. It's just good software algorythms and all - like the ones that make photos better and find faces on camera app. The newer Exynos is just better case it's minus nm and its newer a probably better.
4. I'm shocked how we share very simillar experiance and way of thinking. My S8 was long on the shelf aswell. I agree with the rest.
5. Can You please tell me if I order Note 9 in 1h what are the names of these DEX devices to put into the cart that are for Note9 deigned. I will get a % off then. I don't have time to check it now on line cause there's too much of this and Samsung always changed something in names depending on which type of flagship and generation it was.
6. I share real conceirn about not accepting any update after potentially purchasing Note9 - cause the first will probably be the Pie+OneUI ****pack.
7. Please tell me in short about Linux on Dex that you mentioned. What's that about?
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So true! Once you see that screen on the S10+ man it's like a sledge hammer imprint on the brain! crazy how bright and really vivid + super sharp Samsung has pushed that oled panel to wow!
Yeah defo the Exynos in the S10+ is way better! Samsung is really pushing towards the AI side of things! I havent really read up on the 10nm vs 8nm will do sometime! Bixby they are pushing as there Ai, Bixby isn't that bad it comes pretty handy once you know the commands!
For Dex you need a USB-C - HDMI cable or you can purchase Clicky--> Samsung Multiport Adapter EE-P5000BBEGWW Also you will need a Bluetooth keyboard, and mouse, once all hooked up you got a full desktop experience!
Same with Linux witch can run in DEX so you got a full desktop O.S from your smartphone!
DEX is pretty polished off you can browse the web play games edit documents office etc. really you got a portable laptop in your pocket!
See pics!!
https://www.samsung.com/uk/mobile-accessories/hdmi-adapter-usb-c-ee-hg950/
https://www.samsung.com/uk/mobile-accessories/dex-station-with-travel-adaptor/

N1NJATH3ORY said:
So true! Once you see that screen on the S10+ man it's like a sledge hammer imprint on the brain! crazy how bright and really vivid + super sharp Samsung has pushed that oled panel to wow!
Yeah defo the Exynos in the S10+ is way better! Samsung is really pushing towards the AI side of things! I havent really read up on the 10nm vs 8nm will do sometime! Bixby they are pushing as there Ai, Bixby isn't that bad it comes pretty handy once you know the commands!
For Dex you need a USB-C - HDMI cable or you can purchase Clicky--> Samsung Multiport Adapter EE-P5000BBEGWW Also you will need a Bluetooth keyboard, and mouse, once all hooked up you got a full desktop experience!
Same with Linux witch can run in DEX so you got a full desktop O.S from your smartphone!
DEX is pretty polished off you can browse the web play games edit documents office etc. really you got a portable laptop in your pocket!
See pics!!
https://www.samsung.com/uk/mobile-accessories/hdmi-adapter-usb-c-ee-hg950/
https://www.samsung.com/uk/mobile-accessories/dex-station-with-travel-adaptor/
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Thanks buddy!
1. The first link made my day - I need that for a laptop in this shape LOL!
2. The two second links at the bottom are strange - the last one says it's for S8/S8+ ("supports")
3. What is that whole in the middle of Dex Station - is it Gigabit Ethernet for RJ45 Lan Cable?
4. So Note9 has linux inside? wow, do you what distribution or if I can launch just being in Note9? Or this Linux is simple the thing I see in the monitor after connecting DeX?
5. Does DeX Station charge wirelessly or trough hard connecion with that USB-C stick stand up in the middle of the DeX?

androidbadboy said:
Thanks buddy!
1. The first link made my day - I need that for a laptop in this shape LOL!
2. The two second links at the bottom are strange - the last one says it's for S8/S8+ ("supports")
3. What is that whole in the middle of Dex Station - is it Gigabit Ethernet for RJ45 Lan Cable?
4. So Note9 has linux inside? wow, do you what distribution or if I can launch just being in Note9? Or this Linux is simple the thing I see in the monitor after connecting DeX?
5. Does DeX Station charge wirelessly or trough hard connecion with that USB-C stick stand up in the middle of the DeX?
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Yeah Dex first launched on the S8, S8+ it was a big deal for Samsung! They haven’t updated the page, it is compatible with the Note 9
I’m not sure if you can charger wireless, I do know it has inbuilt fan to keep your phone cool while in Dex mode... And it does charge the phone once docked!
Yes it is a gigabit Ethernet socket
I can’t answer that as I did order the Dex multi dock seller let me down so cant test what version of Linux is running on the note 9 see this link for more info on Linux for Samsung smartphones https://www.linuxondex.com/

N1NJATH3ORY said:
Yeah Dex first launched on the S8, S8+ it was a big deal for Samsung! They haven’t updated the page, it is compatible with the Note 9
I’m not sure if you can charger wireless, I do know it has inbuilt fan to keep your phone cool while in Dex mode... And it does charge the phone once docked!
Yes it is a gigabit Ethernet socket
I can’t answer that as I did order the Dex multi dock seller let me down so cant test what version of Linux is running on the note 9 see this link for more info on Linux for Samsung smartphones https://www.linuxondex.com/
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Dude, one very important thing, a "expert" on the net and in real life calimed that:
- the DeX station for Note8 is exclusive in name and in destination
- the DeX for Galaxy S9 is exclusive in destination and name
So now let's focus is there a third type of Dex or a fourth and what it is name and what does it do and for which phone is it?

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That is a very original point of view. Thanks a lot for Your input.
1. I don't need a pen cause I'm not an artist, drawer, graphics guy. I bought a Stylus for S8 and I enjoy it and use it 1/3 of the time. Maybe I get addicted to S-Pen like many people as I've heard.
2. I like smooth and fast responsive phones with super AMOLED and nice interface ..... etc. so S10+ vs. Note 9 stays on the battle field.
3. Do You think that upgrading S8 the first day Pie+OneUI came trough OTA and started lagging, 1-second freezing, not smoothing would never happen on the first day on Note9 and now after some time I could with no hesitation update Note9 and be sure that I will notice no drop in the 2. point areas?
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For 1. Pen is not mostly used for drawing reasons and normally it's used in many working fields and even in multy tasking environments and its the only way you can put an hand made signature in a document for example...
For 2. The response that you can have is mostley the same and if there's a difference, you will not be able to notice it if you don't put them both near to do the same things... So for me, this thing is worthless for deciding only if you consider it when phone is cold... Heat them by using them and, you can look if the note is faster because it's cooling system let's the cpu run on the same frequency as its cold...
For 3. The first version released of every OS is laggy whatever model you consider, Even for the note with Pie, then the other releases corrects buggs. Explained in my post why other things can happen and doesn't depend only for os having bugs by itself. OTA is the worst way for updating... better using a pc with smart switch or Odin.

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For 1. Pen is not mostly used for drawing reasons and normally it's used in many working fields and even in multy tasking environments and its the only way you can put an hand made signature in a document for example...
For 2. The response that you can have is mostley the same and if there's a difference, you will not be able to notice it if you don't put them both near to do the same things... So for me, this thing is worthless for deciding...
For 3. The first version released of every OS is laggy whatever model you consider, Even for the note with Pie, then the other releases corrects buggs. Explained in my post why other things can happen and doesn't depend only for os having bugs by itself. OTA is the worst way for updating... better using a pc with smart switch or Odin.
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2. I totally get what you mean but I am sensitive for Samsung's lagging, let's leave it there cause we both go into places we don't wan to be. S10+ vs. Note 9 stays!!!
1. What is multi tasking env. for you in this particular sentence?
3. The other releases corrects.... by releases you mean like Android 9.0.1 or Android 10 or security patches? Why OTA is bad and why smart switch (what's that?) or Odin (recovery mode ? how?) can be better?
BTW yeah I know, don't ask me how in the ..... I ended up on XDA with the last questions.

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2. I totally get what you mean but I am sensitive for Samsung's lagging, let's leave it there cause we both go into places we don't wan to be. S10+ vs. Note 9 stays!!!
1. What is multi tasking env. for you in this particular sentence?
3. The other releases corrects.... by releases you mean like Android 9.0.1 or Android 10 or security patches? Why OTA is bad and why smart switch (what's that?) or Odin (recovery mode ? how?) can be better?
BTW yeah I know, don't ask me how in the ..... I ended up on XDA with the last questions.
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Well, explaining some things could be to long so, for not going OT and for returning on the threads title and question, if the software is the same and offers same problematics , hardware is different and even if S10 has the most last hardware, the note has the most efficient cooling system ever made for a device and that makes more durability and also makes the device faster because not heating where others will causing, in the others, a decrease of cpu's frequency for overheating ... So, for me, note 9 is better.

@androidbadboy
I hope that Note being the business phone is going to be treated better by Samsung in the above terms than a Galaxy S phone, but maybe it’s the other way around?
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In terms of business, the one thing Samsung takes seriously is Knox. This is irregardless of device.
Knox is what makes Samsung money once a device is sold to a business.
Want to build a custom APP using Samsung APIs or manage your Samsung device inventory, you have to pay Knox licensing fees.
One of the primary reasons you see security updates released for older devices is because multinational corporations and government outfits have thousands of Samsung devices in their possession. If we have a issue, we raise it with Samsung. They address it based on OUR severity versus THEIR OWN. If they don't, we go to the Carrier we purchased it from and apply pressure. Either way, internally or externally, the problem is addressed and the average consumer/enthusiast benefits.

Upgrade from Gear S3 Frontier to Watch 3 or not?

All,
I bought the Gear S3 Frontier at launch and I am still wearing it every day. Now I am trying to find reasons why I should upgrade this watch to a Watch 3, as the S3 is already some years old. Except for blood saturation measurement, I did not really see big upgrades or new features that justify the expenses. Also the lack of new great apps (except for watch faces) and support for Samsung Pay in The Netherlands are holding me back for this upgrade. Am I missing some great reasons to get the Watch 3, except for some change of aestethics?

I have SM-R760...
GW3 has new Tizen 5.5...
Pro GW3
8 GB eMMC
Blood Pressure and ECG possible... if not in official way then via Sideload...
Contra
New and expensive...
Blood Oxygen seems again not in all countries...
And for sure... NO changes to Samsung Pay...
My opinion.
I would wait if somebody from Netherlands confirm all things you wish will work...
Best Regards

I second what adfree said.
Do some reading
https://www.sammobile.com/opinion/reasons-to-avoid-buying-galaxy-watch-3/amp/

gschot said:
All,
I bought the Gear S3 Frontier at launch and I am still wearing it every day. Now I am trying to find reasons why I should upgrade this watch to a Watch 3, as the S3 is already some years old. Except for blood saturation measurement, I did not really see big upgrades or new features that justify the expenses. Also the lack of new great apps (except for watch faces) and support for Samsung Pay in The Netherlands are holding me back for this upgrade. Am I missing some great reasons to get the Watch 3, except for some change of aestethics?
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I have an SM-770 (S3) and I just upgraded; I should receive my GW3 later today. Reasons I upgraded:
Leaner profile
IP68 rating
ECG (sensor approved in US, but app may be delayed)
Blood Oxygen sensor (Firmware update just released in US)
Blood pressure
Samsung gave me $100 trade in for my S3, about the same as what I thought I could get selling it.
My biggest disappointment will be no MST.

I decided to upgrade my Frontier to the 41mm as well. I like the smaller watch rather than the larger S3. I found myself using the S2 classic titanium more than the S3 just due to the size. Since I am getting the Note 20 Ultra, I love the fact that I can charge the new watch by putting it on the back of the Note. One less accessory to carry when I start travelling again.

I'd add a caveat about the ECG and BPM....They are on-demand features currently (I doubt that changes). If you don't need constant monitoring, there are other consumer devices you can get ranging from about $80-$200 that have BPM (with a cuff) and ECG nodes. Also, you need a quality BPM monitor with a cuff to calibrate the watch monthly, anyway.
Unless you're a competitive athlete, VO2 max is kind of a gimmick.
SPo2 might be worthwhile if you suffer from asthma in any way. It's also helpful for identifying potential sleep apnea. But, again, you can get a few good consumer monitors to do that in the $120-$180 range.
I understand the sleep tracking is much improved. But, frankly, there are a few Android apps and a few smart rings that are far superior.

Smartwatches not only need to be functional, but as an accessory you wear they need to look good too. Whilst I liked the frontier, the Galaxy Watch I bought to replace it looked so much better. The Watch 3 takes that a step further and looks fantastic. Plus the battery in your Frontier is getting on a bit now, it's going to degrade and underperform. So I would say upgrading for better functions and a better overall look, it's definitely worth it.
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I really like the 1.4" display on the 45mm. My old watch was 1.2", and it makes a big difference if you're a low-brow abuser of classic luxury knock-off watchfaces like me.

I received the 41mm Silver today and am returning it immediately. Compared to the S2 Classic Platinum or the S3 Classic, it feels too thick for the diameter. The black bezel seems cheesy to me and I just can't see using the Watch 3. I'll stay with the S2 and S3.

Again, I love the bigger 1.4" display. The rotating bezel is not something I would miss, and aesthetically I'd agree this could have been done better. The larger crystal and smaller bezel is a more modern look you can find on luxury watches, a matter of preference IMO.

advocate2 said:
I received the 41mm Silver today and am returning it immediately. Compared to the S2 Classic Platinum or the S3 Classic, it feels too thick for the diameter. The black bezel seems cheesy to me and I just can't see using the Watch 3. I'll stay with the S2 and S3.
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Not sure what you mean by 'cheesy'. Perhaps elaborate a bit.
I ordered the 45mm silver one, arriving today. I am upgrading from the Galaxy Watch (1st gen) which is also silver, both look premium to me.
Maybe it's because you ordered the smaller version and it somehow just doesn't look right? I will give my verdict later today.
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I received my 45mm black GW3 yesterday and it is replacing my S3 Frontier. I took it for multiple tracked bike rides and have constant HR monitoing turned on. I will be keeping it, however the Pulse O2 feature is quite finicky to get consistient results. and you dont seem to get access to Vo2 max data for cycling.
Looks wise on a medium man-sized wrist I think it looks smaller than my Frontier.

$100 trade-in is why I made the switch. My Gear S3 was having issues so before it failed I decided to take advantage of the trade-in offer. I am very happy with Watch 3. It's much faster and a charge lasts twice as long. If your S3 is working fine and doesn't seem sluggish to you, might be best to wait for the price of the Watch 3 to come down. But if you think you may need a new watch fairly soon, the Watch 3 is the best new watch available so trade in while you can.

I stopped by Best Buy yesterday with my S3 Classic on my wrist. Looking at the watches side by side, I didn't see much reason to upgrade unless my S3 stops holding a charge. At this point I am still getting two days use on the S3.

upgrading for better functions, latest software & hardware, warranty, etc. should be a nice ride...
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EDIT: Right after I ordered I saw that Sammy today announced the titanium version coming out on October 2. I'm gonna wait for that one and cancelled the order mentioned below.
Call me a sucker for a deal, but when I checked into my Samsung account today to see the shipping date on my Tab S7 Plus, I noticed a header giving up to 30% off certain accessories. Between the Military discount and the offered discount on the large silver version, I picked up the Watch3 for $358 pre-tax. Total discount of 17% for the silver so I'm in. Sammy didn't offer a trade in for my S3 Classic so I'll probably put in it on the Bay.

^good deal: what size? LTE?

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^good deal: what size? LTE?
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This was for the bluetooth large in silver. The offer was still on this morning, but I'm gonna wait for the Titanium.

Galaxy Tab Active3

I am looking for a new WiFi-only 8" tablet. The Galaxy Tab Active3 looks like the best performer with its Exynos 9810 processor and 128GB of memory. I also like its SD-card storage and 3.5mm jack. Price isn't too bad at $509.
Here are the issues that I am running into.
These tablets are not available anywhere. Has anyone purchased one in the USA?
Still running Android 10. Any news on Android 11 or custom ROMs?
Root has not been achieved which would be a deal killer for me. There seems to be some hopeful signs when I do a search
Lack of a dedicated XDA forum group is discouraging that items 2&3 are being actively addressed
Lastly, I dont need the ruggedized feature and would like a slimmer case that can hold up the tablet for watching movies on a plane.
Maybe I need to hold out for a non-ruggedized version of this tablet. Does anyone think that is likely?

swieder711 said:
I am looking for a new WiFi-only 8" tablet. The Galaxy Tab Active3 looks like the best performer with its Exynos 9810 processor and 128GB of memory. I also like its SD-card storage and 3.5mm jack. Price isn't too bad at $509.
Here are the issues that I am running into.
These tablets are not available anywhere. Has anyone purchased one in the USA?
Still running Android 10. Any news on Android 11 or custom ROMs?
Root has not been achieved which would be a deal killer for me. There seems to be some hopeful signs when I do a search
Lack of a dedicated XDA forum group is discouraging that items 2&3 are being actively addressed
Lastly, I dont need the ruggedized feature and would like a slimmer case that can hold up the tablet for watching movies on a plane.
Maybe I need to hold out for a non-ruggedized version of this tablet. Does anyone think that is likely?
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ive been looking and this is best 8inch tablet out there right now. Its getting android 11 right now, but idk about root, i dont use root on my tablet. Missing forum group is also bad yes

A slimmer case does not do much good since the tablet itself is already chunky.
I would just use it without a case, it is certainly not as fragile as regular tablets and can take a beating.
I have had one for a couple of days now and it is starting to grow on me. I will probably going to use it as my main device and also use it as a phone.
Today I got the Otterbox Universe case which I like better than the stock case.
The S-pen stores on the side instead of on the top on the Samsung case which I find more convenient.
I would also prefer an 8-inch version of the Tab S7 but we are in a minority.
I have used a Huawei MediaPad M6 8.4 and M6 Turbo 8.4 in the past but these gave problems with certain Google functions (location never worked as it should in certain apps) and the strict killing of apps in the background annoyed me.
Hardware wise they were excellent though, a much more premium feel than the Active3.

Flavio said:
A slimmer case does not do much good since the tablet itself is already chunky.
I would just use it without a case, it is certainly not as fragile as regular tablets and can take a beating.
I have had one for a couple of days now and it is starting to grow on me. I will probably going to use it as my main device and also use it as a phone.
Today I got the Otterbox Universe case which I like better than the stock case.
The S-pen stores on the side instead of on the top on the Samsung case which I find more convenient.
I would also prefer an 8-inch version of the Tab S7 but we are in a minority.
I have used a Huawei MediaPad M6 8.4 and M6 Turbo 8.4 in the past but these gave problems with certain Google functions (location never worked as it should in certain apps) and the strict killing of apps in the background annoyed me.
Hardware wise they were excellent though, a much more premium feel than the Active3.
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are you based in the US and what model is the Tab active 3. i just ordered a T577US/DS model and on amazon several people have said it can’t be used as a regular phone.
Can someone please let me know if the model SM-T577 can be used as regular phone ?
If not can i flash the stock for the same with the european version (SM-T575) for it to work?

swieder711 said:
I am looking for a new WiFi-only 8" tablet. The Galaxy Tab Active3 looks like the best performer with its Exynos 9810 processor and 128GB of memory. I also like its SD-card storage and 3.5mm jack. Price isn't too bad at $509.
Here are the issues that I am running into.
These tablets are not available anywhere. Has anyone purchased one in the USA?
Still running Android 10. Any news on Android 11 or custom ROMs?
Root has not been achieved which would be a deal killer for me. There seems to be some hopeful signs when I do a search
Lack of a dedicated XDA forum group is discouraging that items 2&3 are being actively addressed
Lastly, I dont need the ruggedized feature and would like a slimmer case that can hold up the tablet for watching movies on a plane.
Maybe I need to hold out for a non-ruggedized version of this tablet. Does anyone think that is likely?
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I bought one... They are on ebay and being shipped. Be aware many times the 4G version is the same price as the WiFi depending on which knucklehead is selling it. No rhyme or reason. I think B&H is selling them too reasonable. You are looking for a T570 for wifi only and the T575 and T577 for the cellular enabled units. Keep in mind that all of the T575 units I have investigated have dual sim and the second sim can be substituted for a micro SD. The 4G version is just worth more money and is convenient if you have to travel. Especially out of the country. Or if you sometimes work somewhere away from all the pests and distractions. It just makes sense. I bought my open box unit 128gb dual sim through make and offer of $250usd plus 12.50 shipping. There are good deals to be had. Just spring for the 4G one. Its really worth it especially with

I have T575 and can use like regular phone.
Rooted with Magisk ( copied here: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ChAWegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw2prG-uE2LdqUQQQJWYZaLS )
Take the Magisk modified tar file. Replace vbmeta.img with a zero-byte file, pack it together again, flash it. This is enough for rooting the SM-T575.
But, before that (!!!) check if KnoxGuard got tripped... power down the phone, connect it to USB, then press volup+voldn together. It should not show "KG STATE" at all. If it does, especially if KG STATE is "Checking" or "Prenormal", flash stock with CSC (basically, wipe it), connect it to the internet during setup and keep it continously online and powered for at least 7 days / 168 hours. Only then you will be able to flash.

I have my work's Galaxy Tab Active3 tablet here, which I locked with a password a months ago and I can't seem to recover... Can anyone please tell me how to:
1) Shut it down
2) Enter recovery mode
Any help would be appreciated!!

Question Is it worth the upgrade?

I currently have and use a Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra. I love the phone but it feel it's time to upgrade and I'll add this S20 to my pile of phones to play with. So far I like the S21 Ultra better because of the build quality over the S20 Ultra. I like the metal around the camera lens over the glass of the S20 Ultra. I also like the bigger fingerprint scanner behind the screen. Mine bugs out occasionally and can be irritating. The screen is phenomenal on the S20 Ultra and even better on the S21 Ultra. So should I upgrade or wait for an S22 Ultra? Or should I branch away from Samsung? I was a long time HTC user and switched fully to Samsung back at the release of the Galaxy Note 5. I've used and played with many Nexus, Motorola, OnePlus, LG and other phones and I'm stuck on Samsung. Hell I even went back to an iPhone XS Max because my family all has them, and let me tell you, that didn't last long. So I'm just wanting your guys opinions, worth the upgrade now? Wait? Branch away?

Not sure I'd upgrade but my upgrade span is normally two years. But the facts are that the camera is far better, the chipset is far better (regardless of region), it has S-pen support, the screen is better and it looks better.
If you think that's worth the price then go for it.
Check the video below for a more in depth comparison.

Beefheart said:
Not sure I'd upgrade but my upgrade span is normally two years. But the facts are that the camera is far better, the chipset is far better (regardless of region), it has S-pen support, the screen is better and it looks better.
If you think that's worth the price then go for it.
Check the video below for a more in depth comparison.
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I do agree that it's a better handset all around. I love my S20, but I hate it at the same time with all of its quirks. I guess I haven't looked yet, but I'm sure they are planning the S22 very soon, and it might be worth me waiting for that. I've just had small minuscule issues with my S20 Ultra, like currently waiting on my replacement since my screen quit entirely as well as all the rear camera sensors. I'm using my spare Galaxy A20 that was brand new in the box until my new S20 Ultra gets here. This A20 is super disappointing in terms of performance so I'm trying to not use it as much as I dont have to.

KaydenMcCurdyTech said:
I currently have and use a Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra. I love the phone but it feel it's time to upgrade and I'll add this S20 to my pile of phones to play with. So far I like the S21 Ultra better because of the build quality over the S20 Ultra. I like the metal around the camera lens over the glass of the S20 Ultra. I also like the bigger fingerprint scanner behind the screen. Mine bugs out occasionally and can be irritating. The screen is phenomenal on the S20 Ultra and even better on the S21 Ultra. So should I upgrade or wait for an S22 Ultra? Or should I branch away from Samsung? I was a long time HTC user and switched fully to Samsung back at the release of the Galaxy Note 5. I've used and played with many Nexus, Motorola, OnePlus, LG and other phones and I'm stuck on Samsung. Hell I even went back to an iPhone XS Max because my family all has them, and let me tell you, that didn't last long. So I'm just wanting your guys opinions, worth the upgrade now? Wait? Branch away?
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It's not going to be a night and day differnce. Cameras are definitely better and focus issues are fixed. Screen is only a minor upgrade in terms of quality - unless you want to leverage the new processor to run it a WQHD+ at adaptive refresh rate. Even that is barely discernible against the FHD+ with VRR. At least to my eyes.
Is it worth it monetarily? No. It doesn't make any financial sense dropping that kind of money every year on a handset. THe S21U is definitely better than the S20U, but not $1000 better
Is it worth it as a shiny new toy for playing around (provided money isn't that big a concern for you)? Hell, yeah.
Depends how you define "worth" and what your yearly budget is for gadgets.

enigmaamit said:
It's not going to be a night and day differnce. Cameras are definitely better and focus issues are fixed. Screen is only a minor upgrade in terms of quality - unless you want to leverage the new processor to run it a WQHD+ at adaptive refresh rate. Even that is barely discernible against the FHD+ with VRR. At least to my eyes.
Is it worth it monetarily? No. It doesn't make any financial sense dropping that kind of money every year on a handset. THe S21U is definitely better than the S20U, but not $1000 better
Is it worth it as a shiny new toy for playing around (provided money isn't that big a concern for you)? Hell, yeah.
Depends how you define "worth" and what your yearly budget is for gadgets.
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Personally I don't feel its worth dropping $1,000 every year, maybe every 2, sometimes 3 years. I actually paid $1,500 for my S20 Ultra right when it came out. I've just only started to get bored of it or irritated with little issues. But really, I think I'll wait it through and get the next Galaxy that jumps out ahead of competition in relation to specs. They usually wait to see what Apple will do, and try and get a couple steps ahead of them, not just 1 or the same. Sadly enough, Apple is competing side by side now with their new chips and they aren't doing too bad. I'm kind of wanting to try the 12 Pro Max but that would go against my religion.

KaydenMcCurdyTech said:
Personally I don't feel its worth dropping $1,000 every year, maybe every 2, sometimes 3 years. I actually paid $1,500 for my S20 Ultra right when it came out. I've just only started to get bored of it or irritated with little issues. But really, I think I'll wait it through and get the next Galaxy that jumps out ahead of competition in relation to specs. They usually wait to see what Apple will do, and try and get a couple steps ahead of them, not just 1 or the same. Sadly enough, Apple is competing side by side now with their new chips and they aren't doing too bad. I'm kind of wanting to try the 12 Pro Max but that would go against my religion.
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I think it's a sensible decision to wait for the next galaxy, especially since you have a "relatively" recent device already. Who knows, you may fall for the Z Fold 3 ?
Don't wait for Samsung to copy Apple too much though.... next thing you know, they'll stop including the phone in the box

enigmaamit said:
I think it's a sensible decision to wait for the next galaxy, especially since you have a "relatively" recent device already. Who knows, you may fall for the Z Fold 3 ?
Don't wait for Samsung to copy Apple too much though.... next thing you know, they'll stop including the phone in the box
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I very well could fall for the Z Fold 3, but who knows, I really am not sure I like the folding or flipping phones. I tried that a few times, even sliders, and they just weren't for me. I had every generation of Motorola Droid with the slider since first introduced, actually still have them lol, but the slider I wasn't a fan of. I had a Palm Pre Plus, and I had a Kyocera Echo. Cool concept and way ahead of it's time in 2013/2014, but was glitchy and cheap. I like a solid build. Probably the only flipping or sliding I liked was the original Motorola Razr V3m/or VE20. The Palm slider was nice though.
And you're not wrong on the Apple part . Thanks for the laugh. I think in terms of new phones, Samsung has had the cat in the bag for a long time.

IMHO the decision to upgrade or not comes down to value. By the time the S22 is released the S21 will be a better value and from rumors online it doesn't look as though the S22 Ultra (or whatever it's labeled) will have enough improvements to justify the additional cost. I'm thinking Samsung released the S21 Ultra earlier than previous devices because the S20 Ultra had some issues and it didn't generate sales volume they anticipated. As far as the Fold goes I see only one advantage, it can fold for a larger display. When one compares features with the S21 Ultra it's nowhere near the value especially if the focus is on features. I kinda feel sorry for users who dropped a bundle of money for the S20 Ultra, it's a bit of a tweener who's features were eclipsed in a significant way by the S21 Ultra.

varcor said:
IMHO the decision to upgrade or not comes down to value. By the time the S22 is released the S21 will be a better value and from rumors online it doesn't look as though the S22 Ultra (or whatever it's labeled) will have enough improvements to justify the additional cost. I'm thinking Samsung released the S21 Ultra earlier than previous devices because the S20 Ultra had some issues and it didn't generate sales volume they anticipated. As far as the Fold goes I see only one advantage, it can fold. When one compares features with the S21 Ultra it's nowhere near the value especially if the focus is on features. I kinda feel sorry for users who dropped a bundle of money for the S20 Ultra, it's a bit of a tweener who's features were eclipsed in a significant way by the S21 Ultra.
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I couldn't agree more. Now the S20 Ultra is a significantly better phone than the iPhone XS Max I used shortly before it, and the Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge I was using before the iPhone. I had the Galaxy S8+ before going back to the S7 Edge, but that phone the first day I got it, it was dropped not even 3 feet onto a carpeted floor and cracked the screen. I immediately sent in for a replacement and not even 6 months of using it, it died. So I dug the trusty S7 Edge out of my drawer and put it back to use.
I did overspend on the S20 Ultra sitting back and looking at it now because I wanted the newest greatest phone and I was eligible for the upgrade, so I just did it. It's little issues with the fingerprint scanner are definitely annoying and the camera was good, but not what I thought it was shook up to be. I also have issues randomly dropping service, even in full bar areas. It games nicely, and the specs are great. I hate that I spent the money I did to get the lower RAM/storage version. But they didnt have a 256 or 512gb in stock. Next one I get will definitely be a 512gb with the highest RAM option. Granted this phone has never slowed down with a bunch of apps, I just ran out of 128gb faster than I thought I would.

KaydenMcCurdyTech said:
I couldn't agree more. Now the S20 Ultra is a significantly better phone than the iPhone XS Max I used shortly before it, and the Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge I was using before the iPhone. I had the Galaxy S8+ before going back to the S7 Edge, but that phone the first day I got it, it was dropped not even 3 feet onto a carpeted floor and cracked the screen. I immediately sent in for a replacement and not even 6 months of using it, it died. So I dug the trusty S7 Edge out of my drawer and put it back to use.
I did overspend on the S20 Ultra sitting back and looking at it now because I wanted the newest greatest phone and I was eligible for the upgrade, so I just did it. It's little issues with the fingerprint scanner are definitely annoying and the camera was good, but not what I thought it was shook up to be. I also have issues randomly dropping service, even in full bar areas. It games nicely, and the specs are great. I hate that I spent the money I did to get the lower RAM/storage version. But they didnt have a 256 or 512gb in stock. Next one I get will definitely be a 512gb with the highest RAM option. Granted this phone has never slowed down with a bunch of apps, I just ran out of 128gb faster than I thought I would.
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Agreed, with no MicroSD available some users like myself understand the 256GB (about 200GB after system use is deducted) isn't enough. Lots of users are comfortable with this available internal storage for their purposes and utilize external storage devices to compensate but I'm not one of them. I have zero faith in Cloud Storage for privacy and security concerns.
Since you're in the US, if you decide on acquiring a 512GB device the Branded Service Provider's have no 512GB units available, not sure if some of them ever did offer it. Then that leaves you with a couple of options, the Snapdragon or Exynos Global variants. Given a choice I prefer the Snapdragon 888 SoC.
I opted for the Hong Kong (CSC - TGY) 512GB device. In addition to the largest internal storage it offers no carrier bloatware, dual sim's, unlocked bootloader and faster OTA's. There are some downsides as well. It's more expensive since there's no trade-in promotion, so you'd need to sell the S20 Ultra private party if you don't want to add it to your other older units. There is a 1 year warranty but that requires it be shipped back to the original retailer. That didn't bother me since I've never had repair issues with any of my previous Galaxy devices. Lastly, certain Branded Carrier Call Features like 5G and Carrier Aggregation may not work. My device does enable 4G LTE, WI-FI Calling which are sufficient for my usage. My S9+, S10 Plus were Hong Kong variants as well and I had no issues other than what I've already shared.
A Carrier Branded device may be the best value for you based on overall costs but the internal storage constraints killed it for me, 200GB just doesn't cut it. With my S10 Plus it made sense to buy the 128GB variant at a lower price and drop in the MicroSD, problem solved! If the S21 Ultra had external memory I would have done the same workaround and saved about $400 USD. I like the S21 Ultra alot, it's the best device available IMHO, if it had MicroSD I'd LOVE IT!

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Agreed, with no MicroSD available some users like myself understand the 256GB (about 200GB after system use is deducted) isn't enough. Lots of users are comfortable with this available internal storage for their purposes and utilize external storage devices to compensate but I'm not one of them. I have zero faith in Cloud Storage for privacy and security concerns.
Since you're in the US, if you decide on acquiring a 512GB device the Branded Service Provider's have no 512GB units available, not sure if some of them ever did offer it. Then that leaves you with a couple of options, the Snapdragon or Exynos Global variants. Given a choice I prefer the Snapdragon 888 SoC.
I opted for the Hong Kong (CSC - TGY) 512GB device. In addition to the largest internal storage it offers no carrier bloatware, dual sim's, unlocked bootloader and faster OTA's. There are some downsides as well. It's more expensive since there's no trade-in promotion, so you'd need to sell the S20 Ultra private party if you don't want to add it to your other older units. There is a 1 year warranty but that requires it be shipped back to the original retailer. That didn't bother me since I've never had repair issues with any of my previous Galaxy devices. Lastly, certain Branded Carrier Call Features like 5G and Carrier Aggregation may not work. My device does enable 4G LTE, WI-FI Calling which are sufficient for my usage. My S9+, S10 Plus were Hong Kong variants as well and I had no issues other than what I've already shared.
A Carrier Branded device may be the best value for you based on overall costs but the internal storage constraints killed it for me, 200GB just doesn't cut it. With my S10 Plus it made sense to buy the 128GB variant at a lower price and drop in the MicroSD, problem solved! If the S21 Ultra had external memory I would have done the same workaround and saved about $400 USD. I like the S21 Ultra alot, it's the best device available IMHO, if it had MicroSD I'd LOVE IT!
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Oh my, I didn't even pay attention to them not including a MicroSD. They did that in the S8 but only the S8, and that's not okay with me. I have a 512gb SD I transfer from phone to phone for photos and file management. That's not going to cut it for me relying strictly on internal storage. Although I seen they make a type C to micro SD adapter that's inexpensive and works well, so I guess if I do upgrade I could do that. But, idk, I'm liking the Note 20 Ultra right now as well.

You should want an SD card.
Samsung's are the most customizable stock Androids on the planet... if you haven't noticed.
The only thing I would consider at this time personally is the Note 20 U or another Note 10+ 512gb Snapdragon variant. I'll wait another year to see if Samsung and Android can get recover from their high G flat spin.
Otherwise I'll default to my former choices. My preferred OS is still Pie and the 10+ is a solid, fast, stable performer. Decisions, decisions...
Samsung's offerings this year so far are weak. Android 11 is looking like another Vista.
That's 2 strikes and the 3rd strike be making the mistake of buying it

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You should want an SD card.
Samsung's are the most customizable stock Androids on the planet... if you haven't noticed.
The only thing I would consider at this time personally is the Note 20 U or another Note 10+ 512gb Snapdragon variant. I'll wait another year to see if Samsung and Android can get recover from their high G flat spin.
Otherwise I'll default to my former choices. My preferred OS is still Pie and the 10+ is a solid, fast, stable performer. Decisions, decisions...
Samsung's offerings this year so far are weak. Android 11 is looking like another Vista.
That's 2 strikes and the 3rd strike be making the mistake of buying it
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I haven't had any issues with Android 11 as of yet, there just wasn't much added. Having no SD Card is a downside for me. I do love how customizable Samsungs are right out of the box. I'll probably get a Note 20 Ultra because why not. I'd get the largest variant available to me.

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I haven't had any issues with Android 11 as of yet, there just wasn't much added. Having no SD Card is a downside for me. I do love how customizable Samsungs are right out of the box. I'll probably get a Note 20 Ultra because why not. I'd get the largest variant available to me.
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The 20U is a solid platform. Get a good case before you start using it. They are beautiful slippery fish.
The Notes wuv to corner hit and face plant when dropped. The spen corner seems to be their favorite corner to land on
I use the Zizo Bolt and the Gorilla IQ Sheild screen protector. Zero damage in 1.5+ years in spite of nearly a dozen drops from 2-4 feet onto concrete.
A SD card allows you to have a data drive.
All critical data goes here including everything you need to do a full reload including installable app copies. No Playstore needed. This drive is then redundantly backed up to at least 2 hdds that are physically and electronically isolated from each other. Use a V30 rated card or higher.
Lexar's work right out of the box.
The internal memory regardless of its size is the OS drive. Loaded apps and the temporary DCIM and download* folders go here.
You now have a dual drive 1+tb computer in your hand
This is how my 10+ is set up. It runs like a bat out of hell. Current load is over a year old, still running fast and stable. A complete reload takes about 2 hours to set it back up, no internet or PC required.
*transferred to data drive once vetted

blackhawk said:
The 20U is a solid platform. Get a good case before you start using it. They are beautiful slippery fish.
The Notes wuv to corner hit and face plant when dropped. The spen corner seems to be their favorite corner to land on
I use the Zizo Bolt and the Gorilla IQ Sheild screen protector. Zero damage in 1.5+ years in spite of nearly a dozen drops from 2-4 feet onto concrete.
A SD card allows you to have a data drive.
All critical data goes here including everything you need to do a full reload including installable app copies. No Playstore needed. This drive is then redundantly backed up to at least 2 hdds that are physically and electronically isolated from each other. Use a V30 rated card or higher.
Lexar's work right out of the box.
The internal memory regardless of its size is the OS drive. Loaded apps and the temporary DCIM and download* folders go here.
You now have a dual drive 1+tb computer in your hand
This is how my 10+ is set up. It runs like a bat out of hell. Current load is over a year old, still running fast and stable. A complete reload takes about 2 hours to set it back up, no internet or PC required.
*transferred to data drive once vetted
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How big is your SD Card? I'm considering ordering a 1TB card and transferring everything over. I use my phone for editing video, photos, rendering, office, receipts etc. Which is why I haven't played with its OS and such because it just works. I have a 256gb that's nearly full. I'll get a note 20 U and buy a 1tb card and leave my 256gb in my S20 U.

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How big is your SD Card? I'm considering ordering a 1TB card and transferring everything over. I use my phone for editing video, photos, rendering, office, receipts etc. Which is why I haven't played with its OS and such because it just works. I have a 256gb that's nearly full. I'll get a note 20 U and buy a 1tb card and leave my 256gb in my S20 U.
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I have a 512gb Lexar V30 card ($65) and currently using about 340gb.
Thinking about upgrading to a 1tb V30 card but they aren't cheap ($180-240).
The V30 is fast enough to stream video and wav files from with no issues. The Lexar writes around a [email protected]
The 20U has a faster bus than the 10+ so it may benefit from a faster card. Not sure as it doesn't apply to me and I haven't pursued it; V30 is fast enough for what I need.
If you have a large database you'll chew up one 1tb fast. My current database is about 1.5tb; really I like to see dual SD card slots

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I have a 512gb Lexar V30 card ($65) and currently using about 340gb.
Thinking about upgrading to a 1tb V30 card but they aren't cheap ($180-240).
The V30 is fast enough to stream video and wav files from with no issues. The Lexar writes around a [email protected]
The 20U has a faster bus than the 10+ so it may benefit from a faster card. Not sure as it doesn't apply to me and I haven't pursued it; V30 is fast enough for what I need.
If you have a large database you'll chew up one 1tb fast. My current database is about 1.5tb; really I like to see dual SD card slots
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Now theres an idea I can get behind! I have a large database for sure. I sort everything in folders and label everything etc. My phone is my computer lol. I even run my GoPro through my phone to edit and upload video. I would love to see dual SD Cards someday. Maybe even faster cards as well. Phone already are coming out with 16gb of RAM, there is no reason they couldn't do dual storage cards. Actually I know it's possible because I have my SD card in my s20U and I use a USB c to micro USB to my S7 edge with another SD card in it to transfer data, and I set the S7 edge up as a storage drive on my s20U. So they just need to do it already. I think Nvidia needs to try and develop another mobile GPU that's insane and Samung needs to build a media based work usable phone. Like bring back the Galaxy Mega with some decent specs instead of garbage. Use a 120hz OLED panel, like 5.5-6 inches, with a 500+ pixel density, dual SIM, dual SD card, nvidia GPU, best 8 core Snapdragon, 16-20gb ram, s pen, amazing cameras front and rear and just have it blow away the competition. I'd spend 1500 on that all day. That phone would appeal to a fair amount of people. The galaxy Mega didnt sell well along side the note series because they limited it to a single carrier in the US, the specs were ehh at best, the screen was trash and no SPen support.

The Note held a niche until the battery drama and the S Series increased the size of the display. Samsung axed it knowing sales volume would be limited and it would directly compete with the S Series. It's a good device but shaded compared to the S21 Ultra. SoC, CPU, battery, cameras, bluetooth and display resolution. It's less expensive and still offers MicroSD but other than that it's second fiddle. At least you'll have the last of a dying breed. If I were to weight value for the Note 20 Ultra it would be against the A72 at half the price, not the S21 Ultra.

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The Note held a niche until the battery drama and the S Series increased the size of the display. Samsung axed it knowing sales volume would be limited and it would directly compete with the S Series. It's a good device but shaded compared to the S21 Ultra. SoC, CPU, battery, cameras, bluetooth and display resolution. It's less expensive and still offers MicroSD but other than that it's second fiddle. At least you'll have the last of a dying breed.
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True, I would. But it's pretty comparable with my current S20U except for camera and so forth but still a great device. I've been thinking that's what I'll do instead of the s21U. I'd like to not step away from Samsung. Who knows, if dont like the Note, then I might check out the Z fold. I just know I won't like it though.

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The Note held a niche until the battery drama and the S Series increased the size of the display. Samsung axed it knowing sales volume would be limited and it would directly compete with the S Series. It's a good device but shaded compared to the S21 Ultra. SoC, CPU, battery, cameras, bluetooth and display resolution. It's less expensive and still offers MicroSD but other than that it's second fiddle. At least you'll have the last of a dying breed. If I were to weight value for the Note 20 Ultra it would be against the A72 at half the price, not the S21 Ultra.
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The rounded display corners suck. In pictures they don't seem bad but in person they look horrible compared to the modern Notes. The colors and gamma of the 10+ are spot on. The display is one of a kind and just drop dead gorgeous. I stream vids constantly on mine.
The 12 gb ram variant of the 10+ or 16gb for the 20U are needed for a power user. The Snapdragon variant is the most desirable but difficult to root.
Battery excursions were a one shot deal although any Li can fail at any time especially when degraded.
The intergrated spen can't be replaced and even though I don't use it a lot, when I need it, I need.
As I learned battery and the C port PCB are relatively easy to replace once you know the tricks. Not near as bad as the reviews rate it.
A case is mandatory or it will get destroyed... sooner or latter.
If you can swing it and are tech savvy, get a Note.
As for being dead, doubtful. Sammy loves to play that to the hilt.
Samsung needs to rethink what their customer base wants rather than dictate what they can have. If Sammy fails to do this or fidgets like LG, they will suffer badly... if you can't rock it, somebody will.
But hey, how much can you expect from a rabid box of gerbils anyway?