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Ironic that the Nexus 4 has thermal problems when Qualcomm seems particularly proud of the low temps of the S4 chip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mSD_EhgGSc
It'll be fine man.
wait for the phone.
Saw everyone *****ing about the Benchmarks right?
and see the Improvements now,so wait 3 more days
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It'll be fine man.
wait for the phone.
Saw everyone *****ing about the Benchmarks right?
and see the Improvements now,so wait 3 more days
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I'm confident they will work it out. I will wait 3 more days AND wait for one hardware revision before locking myself in.
dynamicpda said:
I'm confident they will work it out. I will wait 3 more days AND wait for one hardware revision before locking myself in.
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Yeah man i'm pretty confident too.
This one's should be a beast.
And at this price,we shouldnt complain too much :silly:
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It'll be fine man.
wait for the phone.
Saw everyone *****ing about the Benchmarks right?
and see the Improvements now,so wait 3 more days
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The improvements were from putting the phone in the freezer. Do you intend to operate your phone in a freezer at all times?
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The improvements were from putting the phone in the freezer. Do you intend to operate your phone in a freezer at all times?
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Throttling only happens in graphics benchmarks!!!!!
When you play games the GPU is fast enought reach the vsznc limit (60fps) without any problems which means the GPU isn't fully stressed and won't throttle .
And besides even when throttled the Adreno is still 2x faster then tegra 3 or mali-400mp in some benchmarks.
That beeing said I'm pretty confident that this problem will be fixed either by LG/Qualcomm themselves or by the great devs in this forum (undervolting, raising the temperature the GPU starts to throttle)
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The improvements were from putting the phone in the freezer. Do you intend to operate your phone in a freezer at all times?
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Source ?
Отправлено с моего GT-I9300 через Tapatalk
Disregard
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Says who?
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how will we know when they have a hardware revision? how long does that usually take?
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The improvements were from putting the phone in the freezer. Do you intend to operate your phone in a freezer at all times?
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I think you may have taken a joke out of context.
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Oh, well there it on the reddit post
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/12rk7s/anandtech_have_run_new_nexus_4_benchmarks_which/
My point is that we should wait to see the true story for ourselves.
Hmmm.
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My point is that we should wait to see the true story for ourselves.
Hmmm.
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https://twitter.com/nerdtalker/status/266194787466616832
its most probably a low thermal limit set for the review devices. its set to 60c? that is kind of low to set it at that value. the Galaxy Nexus was set to 80c if im not mistaken
Wait for the final devices, then we can test it ourselves
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its most probably a low thermal limit set for the review devices. its set to 60c? that is kind of low to set it at that value. the Galaxy Nexus was set to 80c if im not mistaken
Wait for the final devices, then we can test it ourselves
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The Galaxy S2 has a limit of 85°C if I'm not mistaken, 60°C seems pretty conservative indeed.
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The Galaxy S2 has a limit of 85°C if I'm not mistaken, 60°C seems pretty conservative indeed.
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ah well if the s2s thermal limit was 85 , then yea, maybe this is just set a little too conservative
Do we know it has thermal issues? I've seen no proof and only speculation.....
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ah well if the s2s thermal limit was 85 , then yea, maybe this is just set a little too conservative
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I dunno my GS2 got really hot around the camera area, so boiling I had to get a case for it lol.
WTF :silly:
1- this s4 dual core = less heating
2- yeah the dumbest thing ever compering 28Nm cpu with 40Nm cpu
I asked a reviewer (one who has only just posted their review, so they spent alot longer than some with the phone) on G+ whether he noticed any overheating. He said he hadn't ANY warming at all. It sounds like for every day use there won't be any issue.
Brac20 said:
I asked a reviewer (one who has only just posted their review, so they spent alot longer than some with the phone) on G+ whether he noticed any overheating. He said he hadn't ANY warming at all. It sounds like for every day use there won't be any issue.
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The basic point is that it does happen. Which it shouldn't. Perhaps the problem is indeed that they set the max temp too low (60c). Only time will tell.
Hey guys,
I got my N4 8G last week on Friday and the first what I saw when the CPU gets a little bit warmer (during Benchmarks or heavy use)
I can see a ugly Yellow spot on the Screen near where the CPU sits, as seen on ifixit.
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B4ESb_YBhAxITkd0SExNLUNablk
Did any of you guys have the same issue or should I replace the phone as soon as they are available again?
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CPU gets a little bit warmer (during Benchmarks or heavy use)
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I don't get this trend with warm CPUs. My Galaxy Nexus used to get really hot sometimes but it never had any impact on screen quality, didn't make yellow spots or anything else.
Yesterday, I was charging the N4, while streaming and HD movie at full screen brightness. Nothing. Wasn't warm. Neither was it warm when I ran three benchmarks after one another.
Try turning on FORCE GPU RENDERING in Developer Options.
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I don't get this trend with warm CPUs. My Galaxy Nexus used to get really hot sometimes but it never had any impact on screen quality, didn't make yellow spots or anything else.
Yesterday, I was charging the N4, while streaming and HD movie at full screen brightness. Nothing. Wasn't warm. Neither was it warm when I ran three benchmarks after one another.
Try turning on FORCE GPU RENDERING in Developer Options.
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Either you are trolling or are completely oblivious to temperature changes. This phone gets really hot, because LG doesn't know crap about proper thermal design. Google was stupid not to choose Sony for this Nexus, but I'm assuming they're waiting for Sony to use Quad Cores. I'm confident that the next Nexus phone will be a Sony. I can't wait.
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Either you are trolling or are completely oblivious to temperature changes. This phone gets really hot, because LG doesn't know crap about proper thermal design.
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you must have another phone as i have. My N4 doesn't get warm, not with benchmarks, movies or while loading.
My n4 gets warm, but not hot, and i dont see any changes in screen
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you must have another phone as i have. My N4 doesn't get warm, not with benchmarks, movies or while loading.
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thats strange, mine get pretty hot! Mostly while loading or benchmarks but also just on Chrome or normal use
Maybe I realy need to replace it by Google.
kabauterman said:
thats strange, mine get pretty hot! Mostly while loading or benchmarks but also just on Chrome or normal use
Maybe I realy need to replace it by Google.
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No, they all do the exact same thing. Like I said, anyone who claims that theirs doesn't get warm is either a) completely oblivious to heat, b) is a serious Google/LG fanboy, or c) is trolling for the sake of trolling.
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No, they all do the exact same thing. Like I said, anyone who claims that theirs doesn't get warm is either a) completely oblivious to heat, b) is a serious Google/LG fanboy, or c) is trolling for the sake of trolling.
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yeah its getting "warm" but not hot like you say. My N4 reaches maybe the same temp like my HTC One S.
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No, they all do the exact same thing. Like I said, anyone who claims that theirs doesn't get warm is either a) completely oblivious to heat, b) is a serious Google/LG fanboy, or c) is trolling for the sake of trolling.
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Hot/Warm or whatever = OK usual and maybe custom Kernels with UV will fix
but my Yellow screen spot is not OK I think so far..
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Hot/Warm or whatever = OK usual and maybe custom Kernels with UV will fix
but my Yellow screen spot is not OK I think so far..
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I agree. I would let Google know immediately, and demand that they let me keep the phone while they get me a new one.
InvalidUsername said:
No, they all do the exact same thing. Like I said, anyone who claims that theirs doesn't get warm is either a) completely oblivious to heat, b) is a serious Google/LG fanboy, or c) is trolling for the sake of trolling.
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Mine does get warm, but not hot, and I don't have any yellow display or throttling issues...but now, just because you said it, its sweating too!
Aaaah....this i-know-everything kids...
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PS. Probably you have to cope with the idea of a defective device
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Either you are trolling or are completely oblivious to temperature changes. This phone gets really hot, because LG doesn't know crap about proper thermal design. Google was stupid not to choose Sony for this Nexus, but I'm assuming they're waiting for Sony to use Quad Cores. I'm confident that the next Nexus phone will be a Sony. I can't wait.
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Yeah, no. Not trolling. Mine just doesn't get hot. Turning on Force GPU Rendering solved that same issue when I was having it with the Gnex. Force GPU takes load of the CPU, so it doesn't get hot.
I don't know what else to tell you, it's just doesn't get warm/hot for me.
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No, they all do the exact same thing. Like I said, anyone who claims that theirs doesn't get warm is either a) completely oblivious to heat, b) is a serious Google/LG fanboy, or c) is trolling for the sake of trolling.
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Dude, why don't you just chill. And while you're chilling, pick up a new phone while you're at it since your's is getting hot.
And "completely oblivious to heat"? Right now, I can tell you that it's 10C outside in Berlin and it's a big difference to when it was 35C. Seems to me like you're just making a big deal out of a little heating. It's a quad core processor, what do you expect?
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Either you are trolling or are completely oblivious to temperature changes. This phone gets really hot, because LG doesn't know crap about proper thermal design. Google was stupid not to choose Sony for this Nexus, but I'm assuming they're waiting for Sony to use Quad Cores. I'm confident that the next Nexus phone will be a Sony. I can't wait.
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The Phone gets hot because the CPU burns allot of energy is has bothing to do with the phone design.
The main problem is that google totally f****d up CPU power management, why it the CPU locked at 1Ghz when the screen is on, why does it scale to 1.5 GHz when you touch the screen?? which results in swyping and typing killing the battery.
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The Phone gets hot because the CPU burns allot of energy is has bothing to do with the phone design.
The main problem is that google totally f****d up CPU power management, why it the CPU locked at 1Ghz when the screen is on, why does it scale to 1.5 GHz when you touch the screen?? which results in swyping and typing killing the battery.
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thats another point, I think the Kernel is not in a perfect state for now but updates will come and custom Kernels will come
so this is not the main problem for me
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The Phone gets hot because the CPU burns allot of energy is has bothing to do with the phone design.
The main problem is that google totally f****d up CPU power management, why it the CPU locked at 1Ghz when the screen is on, why does it scale to 1.5 GHz when you touch the screen?? which results in swyping and typing killing the battery.
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I'm pretty sure that's because of Project Butter. I'd take a little heat for some better performance/visuals any day.
Not sure what the issue is here. My GDS got hot when gaming, charging, etc asvdoes my nexus 7, my laptop, my pic and every other device I have ever owned.
The issue though is the great really causing some type of an issue with the glue? I would guess they would know but then again who knows..
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The Phone gets hot because the CPU burns allot of energy is has bothing to do with the phone design.
The main problem is that google totally f****d up CPU power management, why it the CPU locked at 1Ghz when the screen is on, why does it scale to 1.5 GHz when you touch the screen?? which results in swyping and typing killing the battery.
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Are you serious? Unless you are an android Dev or someone in the know with these services then I think you are just making some type of an uneducated assumption. Really, no offense intended.
Are you an so Dev, android Dev or do you have any expert agreement on this?
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Google had the very best engineers, etc on their payroll. I highly doubt they would miss something and someone with no experience would figure it out. who knows though, maybe you are a top kernal coder or something..
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Haven't done the yellow spot test yet. So can't tell.
The way I do the test: Install StabilityTest, set screen brightness to 100%, run CPU+GPU Test, wrap phone in a blanket and try get the temperature to 40C or above, then check with a white background.
richteralan said:
Haven't done the yellow spot test yet. So can't tell.
The way I do the test: Install StabilityTest, set screen brightness to 100%, run CPU+GPU Test, wrap phone in a blanket and try get the temperature to 40C or above, then check with a white background.
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It looks like if your phone doesn't have issues it will likely develop one if u carry on with this so called test...
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I have the same issue as the OP. and in pretty much same spots...
Just for the sake of asking, putting my phone in gpu rendering is it easier on the phone or harder work load wise?
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Hi, just read some info regarding brand new, gamers oriented Honor Play, which packs same CPU and GPU than P20 Pro, with little bigger display and less battery capacity.
However, I'm troubled to think this is only advertising, regarding the turbo GPU thing and the supposed 7.1 sound capabilities, called "4D gaming", otherwise our phone should have the same features.
What do you think? Are they trying to sell their new toy, or in fact those things are already available or may be in the future through updates or modding in our phones ?
Also, suggestions about reposting to another topic will be appreciated. Thanks in advance
Big hug for y'all
P20 Pro will also get GPU Turbo. And it is not the same spec, smaller battery, no IP67, no good camera's and etc...
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Hi, just read some info regarding brand new, gamers oriented Honor Play, which packs same CPU and GPU than P20 Pro, with little bigger display and less battery capacity.
However, I'm troubled to think this is only advertising, regarding the turbo GPU thing and the supposed 7.1 sound capabilities, called "4D gaming", otherwise our phone should have the same features.
What do you think? Are they trying to sell their new toy, or in fact those things are already available or may be in the future through updates or modding in our phones ?
Also, suggestions about reposting to another topic will be appreciated. Thanks in advance
Big hug for y'all
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I've heared somewhere that honor play is'nt coming with Android but with a Huawei proprietary OS.
yasitoo said:
I've heared somewhere that honor play is'nt coming with Android but with a Huawei proprietary OS.
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Nope, already confirmed that came with Android
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P20 Pro will also get GPU Turbo. And it is not the same spec, smaller battery, no IP67, no good camera's and etc...
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But GPU turbo sounds like a hardware feature, common sense tells that if this is the selling point of the Play, wouldn't be wise to make it available for other phones, that's why I'm asking in the modding forum.
Regarding the specs, I said smaller battery and bigger screen, camera is obvious
FranAmestoy said:
Hi, just read some info regarding brand new, gamers oriented Honor Play, which packs same CPU and GPU than P20 Pro, with little bigger display and less battery capacity.
However, I'm troubled to think this is only advertising, regarding the turbo GPU thing and the supposed 7.1 sound capabilities, called "4D gaming", otherwise our phone should have the same features.
What do you think? Are they trying to sell their new toy, or in fact those things are already available or may be in the future through updates or modding in our phones ?
Also, suggestions about reposting to another topic will be appreciated. Thanks in advance
Big hug for y'all
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Coming from the OnePlus 5 and being a gamer myself I've tried a lot of emulators, Tekken 6 on the PSP works perfectly, half life 2 should work, gsmecube games, the p20 doesn't really need anything more tbh.
But if theres overclocking needed then I'd say a kernel app would be the best way and a custom kernel if needed.
This phone only costs around $330 on aliexpress. Incredible value. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HUA...81dc-411a-901e-fcbb7453f03d&priceBeautifyAB=0
Where the hell did you find the same specs in those two very different phones.??? A totaly useless topic.
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Where the hell did you find the same specs in those two very different phones.??? A totaly useless topic.
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I agree.
Same CPU does not mean same specs.
i bought one, and i regret the decision mainly because of the camera. Buy the V10 instead of this gimmick phone.
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Coming from the OnePlus 5 and being a gamer myself I've tried a lot of emulators, Tekken 6 on the PSP works perfectly, half life 2 should work, gsmecube games, the p20 doesn't really need anything more tbh.
But if theres overclocking needed then I'd say a kernel app would be the best way and a custom kernel if needed.
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Does god of war run at 60fps in ppsspp? How about ps2 games? Is it better than oneplus 5 at emulators? And have you tried wii games? How do they run?
Celesteela said:
Does god of war run at 60fps in ppsspp? How about ps2 games? Is it better than oneplus 5 at emulators? And have you tried wii games? How do they run?
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PS2? No mate, ps2 is a long way off being playable.
Psp runs great for the most part. The game fluctuates between 40-60 usually around 45fps
But then again the OnePlus 5 never played it at a solid 60.
In fact neither did the psp, it had many drops in frames.
Playable? Absolutely, not my type of game but definitely playable..everything else has been spot on, for the most part they run at the framerate they should.
Perhaps if the GPU boost can be utilized for emulators it'll improve even more.
It's been superb for what I've used it for (the P20 Pro)
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PS2? No mate, ps2 is a long way off being playable.
Psp runs great for the most part. The game fluctuates between 40-60 usually around 45fps
But then again the OnePlus 5 never played it at a solid 60.
In fact neither did the psp, it had many drops in frames.
Playable? Absolutely, not my type of game but definitely playable..everything else has been spot on, for the most part they run at the framerate they should.
Perhaps if the GPU boost can be utilized for emulators it'll improve even more.
It's been superb for what I've used it for (the P20 Pro)
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Oh, thanks for the information!
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Oh, thanks for the information!
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No worries mate.
app is available on playstore named "cpu throttling test", you need to keep the device idle atleast for 5-10mins before starting the test, run the test in foreground for 10 mins, dont use the phone while the test is going on. Also how are the thermals like whe playing pubgm on extreme fps on this device?
Chinese Miui 10.3.11 8/128
Big core clocked down after 2mins, then after 4:30 all cores started downclocking
This is the results I've got
http://imgur.com/a/8qMVFPZ
Don't know how accurate it is though
hyperkiller said:
Chinese Miui 10.3.11 8/128
Big core clocked down after 2mins, then after 4:30 all cores started downclocking
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Hahaha...? With Malakas Kernel I have score around 160,000 GIPS after 15 minutes and with unthermal module I have score around 190,000 GIPS with my Pocophone F1 after the same time. So we certainly need custom Kernels for these new phones...
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This is the results I've got
http://imgur.com/a/8qMVFPZ
Don't know how accurate it is though
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Oh very nice, even after 10 minutes barely any throttling!
Did you let it run with room temperature?
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Oh very nice, even after 10 minutes barely any throttling!
Did you let it run with room temperature?
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remember to take the results with a grain of salt. judging from the reviews it's not always accurate. don't remember the exact weather conditions but i wasn't in a sauna or anything. probably was around 25°C
You haven't seen my Mi 5s which has stock Rom. It throttles by nearly 50% of max speed after ~4 minutes of use and even disables one of the two high performance cores. In other words, games start to lag after 4-5 minutes.
So I'm happy to see that this doesn't happen here
Hey guys, can someone please direct me to a resource on "unthermal module" for Pocophone? Is it a kernel that allows modification of the termal throttling values?
Thanks a lot!
I did 2 tests, one with Game Turbo On and the other Off.
It throttled when Game Turbo was Off.
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Hey guys, can someone please direct me to a resource on "unthermal module" for Pocophone? Is it a kernel that allows modification of the termal throttling values?
Thanks a lot!
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For pocophone? You should post in poco thread instead then.
Lineage OS, can't remember if stock or immensity, probably the latter, thermal controller set to benchmark.
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I did 2 tests, one with Game Turbo On and the other Off.
It throttled when Game Turbo was Off.
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Did it again, with Game Turbo On.
Those brown shiny strips on my phone cover are copper tapes. Got them off Lazada / Shoppee for around RM10. i.e. USD 3.
I think they could help distribute heat on the back of the phone over a larger area.
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Did it again, with Game Turbo On.
Those brown shiny strips on my phone cover are copper tapes. Got them off Lazada / Shoppee for around RM10. i.e. USD 3.
I think they could help distribute heat on the back of the phone over a larger area.
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It shows throttling so how come you're saying it helps? Or did you post a wrong screenshot?
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It shows throttling so how come you're saying it helps? Or did you post a wrong screenshot?
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It still throttles, but not that badly as before. You can compare my Min score with the other users.
Meanwhile could you also run the same test and post your Min Max Average scores? Would be nice if there's more data for everyone to benchmark against
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It still throttles, but not that badly as before. You can compare my Min score with the other users.
Meanwhile could you also run the same test and post your Min Max Average scores? Would be nice if there's more data for everyone to benchmark against
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Aha! I see it now! Min.181 vs much lower minimum like 165/171 etc with others..:good::laugh:
Yes, I'll upload too
This GPU definitely isn't optimized for vulkan at all, any one having issues trying to game at all? Even cod mobile stutters on low settings, and unplayable using 5G
Never played this game but it sure looks okay to me.
Sounds like user error...CoD is pretty popular don't you think millions would report if they can't play it?
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Sounds like user error...CoD is pretty popular don't you think millions would report if they can't play it?
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Yeah that's quite true, must just be my device, I'll try a reset maybe because I installed 3 updates one after another once I got it, maybe that's an issue
Nope just looked into in in depth, the Mali G710 is more focused on battery saving than stepping up the game, so inferior GPU, yes, yes it is inferior, look up specs and what it does before use comment your expertise, p7 is clearly a downgrade, Google can clearly add call screen and faster camera to p6p but do not, and the VPN could be added to p6 or p6p but is not, Google kinda screwed us tbh, p7 is mainly just better modem that's all, FA else
Just run any test, any test at all, you'll see the p6p greatly out performs p7 and also more battery drain, so how do you work this out, what use going to comment now? tech experts lol, clear as day p7 got **** on besides software upgrades that's all
Basically Google are suppressing the pixel 6 and 6 pro on what they are ment to do just to make the p7 and p7p look better
And the mali g710 is over a year old! There's a newer G715, out early this year
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Sounds like user error...CoD is pretty popular don't you think millions would report if they can't play it?
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There's barely millions own the p7 or pro and even if a million people owned this phone only about 1000 of that million would game
I posted videos showing the performance has been found to be perfectly fine. Raw numbers don't mean jack crap. It runs games fine until you hike the settings and make it not fine. It's not a flagship and was never intended to be a flagship but the graphics performance between the two is not as large of a gap as you're making it out to be.
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Basically Google are suppressing the pixel 6 and 6 pro on what they are ment to do just to make the p7 and p7p look better
And the mali g710 is over a year old! There's a newer G715, out early this year
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ok buy pixel 6 and dont buy pixel 7, you answer your own question...lol
Ejjskakejdndnnxnawjjd said:
There's barely millions own the p7 or pro and even if a million people owned this phone only about 1000 of that million would game
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you pulling number out of your ass...congrats..go buy pixel 6 or whatever phone you think can play CoD