I hope it's not too intrusive of me to ask, I was just wondering because I know I'm not the only one on here that's medicating.
I take Wellbutrin XL and Abilify.
Abilify? You know that's in the Halidol family?
Unless you're schizophrenic don't use that junk!
That group of drugs is known to cause permanent neurological motor damage in some patients. That's not an exaggeration.
Nicotine is a better drug... cigars are delicious.
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Abilify? You know that's in the Halidol family?
Unless you're schizophrenic don't use that junk!
That group of drugs is known to cause permanent neurological motor damage in some patients. That's not an exaggeration.
Nicotine is a better drug... cigars are delicious.
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They're both anti-psychotics, but Abilify is an atypical anti-psychotic while Haldol is a typical anti-psychotic. I can't, from the top of my head, tell you what the key differences are, but I just know Abilify has less side effects than Haldol does. I actually wanted to switch to Haldol months ago, but my prescriber couldn't prescribe me Haldol.
I am diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder, depressive type. Being on anti-psychotics helps me feel "normal" again — I stupidly got off of my anti-psychotics for several months, and have just started taking them again.
If you don't have auditory hallucinations ie talking voices I ditch that class of drugs. In my wayward youth I tried Halidol, big mistake. One of the worst drugs I ever sampled.
Beware if you begin getting neck aches, stop taking it immediately. It's just god awful stuff if you don't -really- need it. They cross prescribe Abilify for depression which is reckless even advertised it for that.
Get your doctor onboard or find one that will listen to you. Again nicotine may be better with less side effects.
I'd take Provigil over Wellbutrin without thinking twice. Provigil is a fascinating drug, nearly transparent with almost no side effects. It's a mild antidepressant and it makes everything more interesting, colors look more intense and so on. It's a stimulant but doesn't raise your heartrate or bp. It will keep you effortlessly awake if taken when you should be asleep but if you wish to go to sleep you can.
Use only this derivative though as the later versions suck; Newvilgil feels like you drank way too much coffee.
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If you don't have auditory hallucinations ie talking voices I ditch that class of drugs. In my wayward youth I tried Halidol, big mistake. One of the worst drugs I ever sampled.
Beware if you begin getting neck aches, stop taking it immediately. It's just god awful stuff if you don't -really- need it. They cross prescribe Abilify for depression which is reckless even advertised it for that.
Get your doctor onboard or find one that will listen to you. Again nicotine may be better with less side effects.
I'd take Provigil over Wellbutrin without thinking twice. Provigil is a fascinating drug, nearly transparent with almost no side effects. It's a mild antidepressant and it makes everything more interesting, colors look more intense and so on. It's a stimulant but doesn't raise your heartrate or bp. It will keep you effortlessly awake if taken when you should be asleep but if you wish to go to sleep you can.
Use only this derivative though as the later versions suck; Newvilgil feels like you drank way too much coffee.
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I have auditory hallucinations, as well as other types, but my biggest issue are the delusions. I'm sorry that you had a bad experience with Haldol. I've personally never really experienced any significant or major side effects with Abilify — tremors and lethargy were the two main issues, but they disappear over time.
I do think it's extremely irresponsible to use anti-psychotics for mood disorders (besides mood disorders with psychotic features) or even personality disorders when there are better medications they can prescribe that would work so much better, but because everything helpful is now scheduled, they shove bullsh*t drugs into people's mouths to "test them out first." I've been prescribed 15 different psychiatric medications, 24 different times, and 8/15 of those medications didn't work for me.
Psychotic disorders are serious illnesses, and more-so than not, people suffering from psychotic disorders or psychotic features tend to have a better quality of life when on anti-psychotics. I know a lot of people whose lives are unmanageable without the use of medications, and I know that I function much, much better when I'm medicating. I use nicotine as well, but nicotine isn't going to stop my persecutory delusions and apophenia.
I do agree with you, though — stimulants are amazing, but so is Wellbutrin (for me). Almost a decade of severe depression, and the only thing that has worked for me has been Wellbutrin. We just have different views because we've had different experiences and impairments.
I hear you. Rock and a hard place. Go with the lowest effective dose. After over 50 years you think they have something better.
One thing I can tell you is avoid alcohol; it will make things worse invariably over time if abused or if you're intolerant to it.
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I hear you. Rock and a hard place. Go with the lowest effective dose. After over 50 years you think they have something better.
One thing I can tell you is avoid alcohol; it will make things worse invariably over time if abused or if you're intolerant to it.
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Yup, that's what I'm on. Too high of a dose made me useless — I couldn't function at all because I was always so tired.
And yeah, I'm not a big drinker, anyway.
None, and I've never did in my 66 years of life.
I take a dose of XDA in the morning and another half dose at evening. Other than that I have never took not even an aspirin and i hope i will never need any...
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Yup, that's what I'm on. Too high of a dose made me useless — I couldn't function at all because I was always so tired.
And yeah, I'm not a big drinker, anyway.
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It's known for that. Use the minimum effective amount. Split pills if needed.
Halidol made me feel like I was in White Zombie.
Lol, be careful when sampling other people's meds kiddies...
Once tried some heart medication too, that was even less fun but stimulating
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I take a dose of XDA in the morning and another half dose at evening. Other than that I have never took not even an aspirin and i hope i will never need any...
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XDA Developers is pretty damn addictive, to be honest. [Just pretend like there's a laughing emoji here — I forgot how to add emoticons.]
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It's known for that. Use the minimum effective amount. Split pills if needed.
Halidol made me feel like I was in White Zombie.
Lol, be careful when sampling other people's meds kiddies...
Once tried some heart medication too, that was even less fun but stimulating
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Yeah, it sucks that a lot of psychiatric medications has the side effect of lethargy. I'm on 10 MG of Abilify now, and while there's a bit of tiredness, it's not as bad as when I was on 15 MG. I kid you not, I would sleep up to 16 hours a day, and spend like 4 hours just trying to wake up.
Haha, did you use the heart medications with a recreational intent?
I don't take any of this. But I do have friends that are on all sorts of stuff.
I'm just happy that people can discuss this all openly now.
Now if they only invent a non-addictive sleeping pill that lets you jump out of bed in the morning I wouldn't have to be typing this at 2:30 AM.
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Now if they only invent a non-addictive sleeping pill that lets you jump out of bed in the morning I wouldn't have to be typing this at 2:30 AM.
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Provigil is the one that you wanted... you can take it dead tired and effortlessly stay awake.
No jitters, just rested alertness plus. Even restores eye/hand reaction times. The kicker is after an hour or two if you got done what you wanted you can go into a normal sleep. One of the strangest drugs I've ever used. I experienced no side effects.
My experience is typical of its users.
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Yeah, it sucks that a lot of psychiatric medications has the side effect of lethargy. I'm on 10 MG of Abilify now, and while there's a bit of tiredness, it's not as bad as when I was on 15 MG. I kid you not, I would sleep up to 16 hours a day, and spend like 4 hours just trying to wake up.
Haha, did you use the heart medications with a recreational intent?
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Try 5 or 7.5mg Use to minimum dose that works. Over time you may need to adjust it up or down slightly.
Again nicotine helps with reasoning and productivity. Depending on dosage it and independently, it calms and stimulates. Probably better in tobacco though as the other organic compounds modify it's effects.
Tobacco is also a anti inflammatory. Since I started smoking cigars I don't get tendonitis anymore. Of coarse it has it's down sides including relaxing the esophageal sphincter muscle, bad if you have a hiatal hernia, but otherwise calms the GI tract. As for cancer, best to not inhale the smoke or chew it excessively.
Tobacco has been given a bad name but there are good medicinal reasons it's been used for over a millennium. Exponentially better than coffee to keep you awake, it's saved my life more then once. A good cigar triggers memories from long ago you thought you had forgotten. Quite relaxing and pleasant.
It is also quite addictive especially if used before the brain matures which is in the late 20's perhaps 30's.
Long story but it was in with a box with pot, valium and such. So naturally I assumed it had to be something fun. The label wasn't clear to it's use giving the name and dosage instructions. Of course I took twice as much as indicated, adolescent SOP. It wasn't until latter (with heart fluttering) that I looked it up in Merck's Index. I quickly understood the error of my ways...
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But I can stay effortlessly awake, I just think of something that happened 20 years ago or what I'm going to code tomorrow or what's for lunch or ...
Full strength cigars keep the killer bunnies indolent for me.
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Hi Guys,
Just wondered how many of you have tried giving up smoking and what methods you may have used? (whether succesful or not)
I am currently using an electronic cigarette (contains non of the carinogenics) and have managed to have no real ciggy's in 7 days. - and also have no disire to have one!
I have dropped the cartridges down to the medium nicotine from High and am still doing well! after a few weeks I will move to the Low and no Nicotine cartidges.
this is the most positive try I have had at cesation to date
Cheers
Rosebud
My new girlfriend told me she was not going to kiss me if I didnt stop chewing. seems pretty effective to me!
Hi Mike, Good to know I'm not the only person trying this route!
I am looking at ecigs as a short term solution, but I am too finding myself using it more than I would normally smoke!
I am going to continue reducing my intake and make my way down to the zero nic carts planned for a couple of months time, I figure that in the short term, even tho still not great for me the e-cigs are a better alternative, for a start they contain over 3000 less chemicals
I am already seeing some benefits, I am more awake, I have more colour in my face??!, I have the obvious benefits too, (Dont smell, etc etc...)
the first few days were hard, and I knew I was missing something else other than the nicotine, but I am now used to them
My long term plan is not to smoke at all, Me and the wife are looking at having another expensive habit ( A baby) in the next year or so, and we dont want to be smoking parents, I for one had smoking parents and feel this is probbably a part of why I smoke (and really enjoy it too )
I´m having a hard time with cigarretes also
Wanted to quit but no success till now...
Never heard of e-ciggies, I´ll find out more of them
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I´m having a hard time with cigarretes also
Wanted to quit but no success till now...
Never heard of e-ciggies, I´ll find out more of them
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Orb, there is a lot of info online - google e-cigarette-forum
I found the site has a lot of info.
I know it has only been 1 week, but I would certainly recomend them (I have never gone this long with gum, patches, lozenges etc)
Cheers
Steve
me neither...
I cant leave that thing...
You know when I saw somebody that get a cig starts to smoke even in the tv i feel that i want to smoke too. I can manage to avoid do it in that case.
After the meal... sometimes when I awake at the morning, I smoke.
When its cold...
When i have nothing to do or im just walking on the streets i need a cig.
or when i saw any of my family smoks just fro the meaning of smoke or a nice spoken... i need to smoke.
and the last one... when i need to read a lot of forums here i need a cigarrete
My boss on my job told me one day long ago... i had that vicious thing on my life... but when my first child borns i leave it, it just need to have 2 big balls and hold it tight to void smoke again. thats all you need, guts to leave it.
Im smoking right now BTW
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Orb, there is a lot of info online - google e-cigarette-forum
I found the site has a lot of info.
I know it has only been 1 week, but I would certainly recomend them (I have never gone this long with gum, patches, lozenges etc)
Cheers
Steve
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Thanks mate, in fact already done the search, just trying to find out if it´s cheaper that they send it home or better wait 1 month that I´m travelling to USA...
Cheers,
p.d. Paisa ya no fumes!
well i might not be very experienced with cigs as most of you guys may be......
but still i managed to quit
i was 17 when i started smoking regularly
it went on increasing for a year or so
all it took to stop me is my girlfriend and sis who always shouted at me when i used to smoke
and a few nicotine gums for a month or so
i suggest you guys to go for nicotine gums rather thn e cigs they are a lot safer and they really help
(havent smoked a cig for about 3 months now and even stopped using nicotine gums)
smoked 14 years, and dropped it now... just dropped, no need e-cigs, gums and etc.. just stop smoking it easy. And now i feel myself maany better.
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well i might not be very experienced with cigs as most of you guys may be......
but still i managed to quit
i was 17 when i started smoking regularly
it went on increasing for a year or so
all it took to stop me is my girlfriend and sis who always shouted at me when i used to smoke
and a few nicotine gums for a month or so
i suggest you guys to go for nicotine gums rather thn e cigs they are a lot safer and they really help
(havent smoked a cig for about 3 months now and even stopped using nicotine gums)
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Unfortunately already tried gum, and lozenges, and inhilator, and patches, and cold turkey, as you can tell from the creation of this thread none of these worked for me.
I believe there is no "one size fits all" solution to quitting smoking.
Cheers
Steve
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Unfortunately already tried gum, and lozenges, and inhilator, and patches, and cold turkey, as you can tell from the creation of this thread none of these worked for me.
I believe there is no "one size fits all" solution to quitting smoking.
Cheers
Steve
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mayeb then try to have someone to shout on you everytime you smoke(like sis ,gf,mom,wife)
girls are good at this
they will surely help you quit
it might be irritating but atleast will make you think twice before you smoke
hell yeah!
sad but true
9 years & 3 months ago my wife told me she was pregnant with our first child.
I stubbed out the ciggy I'd just lit, crushed the almost full pack I had, and haven't touched a ciggy since. All you need is sufficient incentive and willpower. eCigs, patches, gum, they can help with the symptoms of withdrawal, but they ALSO drag out the process.
Cold turkey lasts about 2 weeks tops. It's not nice; you'll be irritable and difficult to live with, but it worked great for me.
After about 2 weeks of not smoking, you'll discover some things.
* Smell. You sense of smell is seriously affected by smoking. Once your system is clear of it, you'll discover a world of wonderful aromas.
* Taste. Like smell, your sense of taste is also seriously affected by smoking. You'll find it hard to believe just how good food can taste now it's working properly again.
* Virility. You'll be amazed at some of the other things that smoking actually buggers up.
WARNING: Do not substitute snacking for smoking! There's a damn good reason for my nickname!
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9 years & 3 months ago my wife told me she was pregnant with our first child.
I stubbed out the ciggy I'd just lit, crushed the almost full pack I had, and haven't touched a ciggy since. All you need is sufficient incentive and willpower. eCigs, patches, gum, they can help with the symptoms of withdrawal, but they ALSO drag out the process.
Cold turkey lasts about 2 weeks tops. It's not nice; you'll be irritable and difficult to live with, but it worked great for me.
After about 2 weeks of not smoking, you'll discover some things.
* Smell. You sense of smell is seriously affected by smoking. Once your system is clear of it, you'll discover a world of wonderful aromas.
* Taste. Like smell, your sense of taste is also seriously affected by smoking. You'll find it hard to believe just how good food can taste now it's working properly again.
* Virility. You'll be amazed at some of the other things that smoking actually buggers up.
WARNING: Do not substitute snacking for smoking! There's a damn good reason for my nickname!
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I quit 5 years ago, I even have constant nightmares about smoking again. The gum, patchs, etc help to smooth over the initial shock of quitting, but you really really really have to want to quit. You have to hate cigarettes and truely not want to smoke them.
I found myself bargaining with myself.. "oh one now and never again" or " one now and then when I'm older I will go back to smoking".. The answer had to be NO NO NO NO NO NO NEVER AGAIN..
Good luck folks, set yourself free
i quit smoking 3 years ago and since then never looked back and felt a need. Its quite easy to quit, but you have to have will power and determination. And mind it when you feel that you want to quit, never run for a last drag, then just quit.
I quit several years ago. Tried first not smoking at all, but two weeks later I was in hell. Then I tried gradually with simple goals like today I'll only do 5, then today I'll just do one, and so on. Until it was like today I won't smoke but I'll have 2 tomorrow. Currently I don't smoke, but I can have 1 cigarette socially from time to time, though I don't really enjoy it that much anymore (because of the smell).
I've just quit cold turkey 59 days ago. The first 4 were critical. After that, all went well. It's just a matter of will. Take it as a test: could you or could you not?
I had been smoking for 25 years, ever since I was 13, and tried everything. And I do mean everything, short of resting on my head, upside down for 30 days. Have tried the gum, the patches, etc. etc.
The solution that I found that works for me, but maybe not for many is Chantix. I was taken a little aback by the price of it. It was $120 dollars for a months prescription. (I used it for 4 months and am completely cigarette free for almost a year now.) And I am a Pharmacy Technician and work at a chain pharmacy!! The problem is, many insurances just does not cover it yet. But when you think about it -- at the minimum 1 pack of cigarettes per day is roughly $3-$4. Multiply that times 30 days = $120. So for me, it was worth it.
Chantix works with certain receptors in your brain. When you smoke, these "pleasure" receptors are active and therefore you get a reward response for smoking. Chantix blocks, fewer then more with continued use, these receptors. So without the receptors being active your body says "whats the point", and doesn't desire nicotine, and smoking. Now, besides the price, there is one pretty big con in the pros and cons of Chantix. You WILL have strange and VERY intense and vivid dreams while sleeping. At times scary, at other times just confusing. This interfered with my sleep a lot, but after about a month they started to be more normal. Granted, this might not have been from the Chantix, it could have been withdrawal from nicotine. I mean, nicotine is a drug.
No course will work for everyone, and you really have to have the desire and willpower to quit smoking. Honestly, I think another reason for my success is that I didn't want to go back to having the dreams again.
Good luck to all that are quitting, and believe me, it is really worth it. I can actually taste food again, smell nature around me, save $120 bux a month, hopefully live longer, breathe better, and have a lot, LOT, more energy.
I quit about a month and a half ago, smoked for 26 years. I'm using that pill chantix, and it seems to be working.. I haven't had a smoke, and I haven't killed any one, and haven't had the urge to kill.. yet. <evil grin>
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Smoking? Duh! It's very dangerous to our health. But why do others take it as a habit? They are crazy! It does nothing good to our life.
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well there are many reasons which would make someone start smoking
like being a cool kid in school to using cigs as stress busters
and here in india we(college/school students) generally smoke to supress sleep to study and perform well in exams(there is a large group that does it just for being cool though)
there have been times when i had to study for more than 30 hrs at a stretch
so at those times you really dont have any option rather than to smoke
(studying in india is harsh you REALLY have to work hard to stay in the competition)
Many people take a pain relievers when ever they have minor pains such as small headaches, and etc. But. are we becoming addicted to short-term, fast relief that we are willing to take pills.
I myself take advil when ever i have a headache, or upset stomach. But I would like to hear what you guys think about "to take pain relievers"
Stay healthy!
I never take pain relievers.
I prefer to treat them naturally, unless of course it´s something very hard.
No No and never.... until and unless its some thing related to my teeth...
Thats the ony pain i feel entitles a pain killer...
These are so addictive that very soon ppl tend to double their dosages and that too without positive pain relief...
I generally try and push through any pain I may have as I think people as a whole are becoming to reliant on medications. We have already seen that anti-biotics isn't as affective on some illnesses as it used to be as virus are becoming stronger and more immune to the drugs we use. Also, as a parent I believe its right that kids should be outside playing in gardens getting dirty sometimes tasting things they shouldn't as this builds their immune systems. To many people now try to over protect kids from things I would consider normal growing up. Hospitals and clinics already tell people not to come to them for minor headaches etc....but people still do all the time. IMO if things contiue as they are viruses and bugs will be come stronger and more immune to the current anti-biotics which will not be a good thing for us as a whole
Interesting....wasn't expecting this but, I'd have to say that we can tolerate more pain than we realize. Try alternatives such as heat/cold, or topical pain relievers first.
take them but not "over" take them ....
i used to take pills whenever i have small headache, I knew that it would be gone in 6 hours or so if i just left it, but i wanted it to go away fast, so i take panadol or saredon, unfortunately now even if i have the slightest headache, those pills doesnt treat me well and the headache continues. its like my body is immune to the pills effect, which is really bad
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I generally try and push through any pain I may have as I think people as a whole are becoming to reliant on medications. We have already seen that anti-biotics isn't as affective on some illnesses as it used to be as virus are becoming stronger and more immune to the drugs we use. Also, as a parent I believe its right that kids should be outside playing in gardens getting dirty sometimes tasting things they shouldn't as this builds their immune systems. To many people now try to over protect kids from things I would consider normal growing up. Hospitals and clinics already tell people not to come to them for minor headaches etc....but people still do all the time. IMO if things contiue as they are viruses and bugs will be come stronger and more immune to the current anti-biotics which will not be a good thing for us as a whole
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My parents won't let me hag out with my friends that they haven't met.
I take BC powder for a hangover. That's about it.
I take BC powder for a hangover. That's about it.
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I use childrens Tylonal because I'm too young to be hungover.
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Laugh or watch some comedies instead
galaxys said:
Laugh or watch some comedies instead
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Or rather have some Beer!! The best pain reliver in the world (not to mention physical and mental)
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No No and never.... until and unless its some thing related to my teeth...
Thats the ony pain i feel entitles a pain killer...
These are so addictive that very soon ppl tend to double their dosages and that too without positive pain relief...
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Theres a HUGE difference between pain reliever and pain killer. relievers are over the counter non addictive pills. and killers are generally opiate based.
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Or rather have some Beer!! The best pain reliver in the world (not to mention physical and mental)
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Damn right
I'm surprised that nowadays in my life, all headaches are mainly treated psychologically. But for the big stuff, hangovers, and back pain: Advil.
Tylenol is terrible for you (and your liver). I avoid it at all costs (except for when I want my vicodin!).
As a migraine sufferer I almost default to yes.
But as such Im also highly sensitive to how easily one can rely on medications.
If I feel the stiff neck or other symptoms of migraines coming on Ill opt for a quick nap if its available.
Or try and deal with the pain unless it gets to that "aww screw this" point.
Sometimes your at work or have a function and you really dont want to deal with the pain or nauseua so better off taking advil or an aleve.
True story : I picked up a load of colored painted lumber in Atlanta and dropped it off in Lancaster, pa. An Amish family that made high end custom play sets for rich folks and wow the stuff the could build seemed like some from a Harry Potter movie. We started talking about technology and they didn't desire to have a cellphone or any phone for that matter. They seemed so much at peace with just the basics in life. Clearly they live in a area with malls but still appreciated life in a simple form. Now its 2011 and most folks can't go a day without cellphone use, and have a piss fit if they cell is about to die while at the mall. We stand in long lines waiting for the new it phone then rush home to make an unboxing video as others tune to watch us in awe to remove the plastic off a device. We call up the carriers begging for an update to get a new device.. log in to sites like this and complain about the device and while asking developers to stop spending time with your family and hurry up on that root so i can do a whole bunch of nothing with my phone. I'm not saying cellphones are bad, if your wife ran out to pick up pizza and got a flat you definitely want her to have one in that situation. I'm talking bout being apart of the gimmick crowd...
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True story : I picked up a load of colored painted lumber in Atlanta and dropped it off in Lancaster, pa. An Amish family that made high end custom play sets for rich folks and wow the stuff the could build seemed like some from a Harry Potter movie. We started talking about technology and they didn't desire to have a cellphone or any phone for that matter. They seemed so much at peace with just the basics in life. Clearly they live in a area with malls but still appreciated life in a simple form. Now its 2011 and most folks can't go a day without cellphone use, and have a piss fit if they cell is about to die while at the mall. We stand in long lines waiting for the new it phone then rush home to make an unboxing video as others tune to watch us in awe to remove the plastic off a device. We call up the carriers begging for an update to get a new device.. log in to sites like this and complain about the device and while asking developers to stop spending time with your family and hurry up on that root so i can do a whole bunch of nothing with my phone. I'm not saying cellphones are bad, if your wife ran out to pick up pizza and got a flat you definitely want her to have one in that situation. I'm talking bout being apart of the gimmick crowd...
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I'm happy to be there. My firm belief is that technology will produce the paradise we all want. Unlike some conservative types, I don't adhere to the rule of suffering in life all the time. They think the only good person is one who is 24/7/365 suffering and doing without. We make technology to overcome the environment, not to continue to suffer in it. The only reason there is any form of suffering in the world is because technology hasn't developed to the point of addressing all of the needs. As long as a person holds onto their ethical and moral integrity, suffering is needless.
Don't like this idea. Some people always say that these are just devices that call and text, everything else is excess and we don't need it in our daily lives. Like we should be grateful we have them. But this is called progress. At one time, we didn't have cars or color tv or this latest gadget. And we have adjusted our lives accordingly so that they are essentials in day to day living. It's foolish to just live in the past or sit still, the world moves at a fast pace. If we didn't feel a need for more, innovation would just stop. They don't even call cell phones "cell phones" anymore, they call them mobiles because that's what they are. Mobile devices
Yes, I agree with you geeksquadryder. As we are forgetting what a real life is? We need mobiles for doing our daily work but some people getting mobiles for not satisfying must needs but for fun. We know how much impact these mobiles can have in our life in helping and ruining. So, its upto the head of the home to teach or drive his/her home to be happy with/without things of needed.
Our biggest mistake was coming down from the trees in the first place. Everything since then is just compounded error. Too late to go back now!
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Don't like this idea. Some people always say that these are just devices that call and text, everything else is excess and we don't need it in our daily lives. Like we should be grateful we have them. But this is called progress. At one time, we didn't have cars or color tv or this latest gadget. And we have adjusted our lives accordingly so that they are essentials in day to day living. It's foolish to just live in the past or sit still, the world moves at a fast pace. If we didn't feel a need for more, innovation would just stop. They don't even call cell phones "cell phones" anymore, they call them mobiles because that's what they are. Mobile devices
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people are constantly saying how technology has made ungrateful and ruined lives. I don't see how wanting the most out of your phone can ruin your life. This is called evolution/progress. I'm glad we have cell phones and I'm glad technology is getting better and I hope one day I won't have to lift a finger to do many of the tedious tasks I do on a day to day basis.
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If we just stick to "need" when we live life, we'd be a very poor society. Much of the art and technology we have today have made it so far for want of innovation and pleasure. And yes, also for pure fun.
It's not excessive, it's creative, new, interesting and in this way, important. Especially since we came down from the trees...
DirkGently1 said:
Our biggest mistake was coming down from the trees in the first place. Everything since then is just compounded error. Too late to go back now!
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Yup. Now we are describing quantum physics with languages initially designed to tell the other monkey where the fruit was.
yeah, and let's just revert back to farming for every one right...
i'll use whatever tech i want, you can go be a luddite.
ballasdontcry said:
yeah, and let's just revert back to farming for every one right...
i'll use whatever tech i want, you can go be a luddite.
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Or use two tin cans and a string...
(somebody's sig, that is)
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Or use two tin cans and a string...
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That would be 1970's tech to the Amish.
By the way, anyone know what an Amish guy's arm up a horse's butt is? A mechanic.
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Mind = blown! Genius post
I do often think the Amish and others of that ilk have the right idea. It may be luddism but as a society i bet they are generally happier than the rest of the world at large.
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I do often think the Amish and others of that ilk have the right idea. It may be luddism but as a society i bet they are generally happier than the rest of the world at large.
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Sorry to tell you but technology is important. I always remember the economics of technology, where tech has the potential of drastically changing supply, demand or both.
It increases the quality of life, and frees us to do things that are more important, like putting funny captions on pictures of cats instead of adding up a few thousand lines of labour costs.
You read HHGTTG, there was one book where people used leaves as currency...
p/s: I stole that initial quote from Pratchett.
sakai4eva said:
Sorry to tell you but technology is important. I always remember the economics of technology, where tech has the potential of drastically changing supply, demand or both.
It increases the quality of life, and frees us to do things that are more important, like putting funny captions on pictures of cats instead of adding up a few thousand lines of labour costs.
You read HHGTTG, there was one book where people used leaves as currency...
p/s: I stole that initial quote from Pratchett.
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As i said earlier, it's too late to go back now. I disagree that technology improves lives though. More people die because of technology than are saved by it. You have to remember that as a race we have stopped evolving; instead our tools are evolving. Rather than changing to adapt to our environment we are trying to change our environment to adapt to us. This is not a good thing.
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As i said earlier, it's too late to go back now. I disagree that technology improves lives though. More people die because of technology than are saved by it. You have to remember that as a race we have stopped evolving; instead our tools are evolving. Rather than changing to adapt to our environment we are trying to change our environment to adapt to us. This is not a good thing.
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Wow, I could berate you over that. But I won't. The reason I want to is because THAT is a main part of the conservative/religious ideal. It's ignorant because they believe they...embodied in their gray matter...have all understanding and knowledge of the universe and existence. Because of this, they push hardship and suffering on society as something good for us.
These pea-brained idiots never consider they do not know everything. They have a thought, and because *they* have that thought, it has to be correct and righteous. So therefor they proceed to prevent society from having peace and they thwart all technological progress as much they can and call it evil. They are the kind that believes only someone who is constantly suffering is a better person. And they do that to people.
They see one aspect of something and conclude that it leads to what they believe it should.
You'll have to pardon my intensity because here in America, that is exactly what happened to my life. My life was wiped out as though it was nothing to me by ideological/religious/conservative zealots. With an attitude of, "You'll thank me when you recover". The only problem is they had no clue how destructive their ideology was to me and it obliterated my life.
I'm a godless Atheist but this is not a religious discussion! I love technology but i admit that the cost far outweighs the benefits. The global gene pool is getting weaker by the day while we rape the planet that we rely on to survive.
Advancement is inevitable but so is entropy. Equilibrium will be returned but i guarantee it won't be in a way that's favourable to human life.
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I'm a godless Atheist but this is not a religious discussion! I love technology but i admit that the cost far outweighs the benefits. The global gene pool is getting weaker by the day while we rape the planet that we rely on to survive.
Advancement is inevitable but so is entropy. Equilibrium will be returned but i guarantee it won't be in a way that's favourable to human life.
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Amen, I mean, I agree to that (zing!).
Truth is, I believe that technology helped me a lot. I mean, Microsoft Excel is a million times better than an A3 piece of paper and a calculator.
But certain techs makes us dumber, and not smarter. We don't use it to expand ourselves and our capabilities, but to limit ourselves and reduce innovation and creativity.
Case in point; iPhone.
**sniff sniff** smells like..... religious overtones.... wafting through the air....
(What I'm doing here.......... Your seing it??)
Marty, I'm looking in your direction......
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**sniff sniff** smells like..... religious overtones.... wafting through the air....
(What I'm doing here.......... Your seing it??)
Marty, I'm looking in your direction......
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Lol. Would be like missing John Cleese goose stepping through dining room...
Religion is OK just don't mention the war!!!
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Lol. Would be like missing John Cleese goose stepping through dining room...
Religion is OK just don't mention the war!!!
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What war? The one where they killed everyone for staying in some place long ago, or the one where they kill everyone else for being someone else?
Wait, I got that mixed up, didn't I, it was the one where they killed people for being different, right?
p/s: religion talk is never ok, especially when it gets slightly out of hand. Note the understatement
rewind millions of years. I was part of this massive collective consciousness terraforming the earth. We could move things thinking of it alone.We were moving continents, shaping the oceans, mountains.. etc... then I was assigned a task. I observed this one coral for ten millions years! my job was to observe and note everything about it. The coral turned into a precious stone. I felt the passage of millions of years, but felt not tired hungry or the need to sleep. I just stood there taking notes.
Lmao.. I'll have whatever you're having
But this was no dream, It's the thought from your past life,
Was I don in your dream?
Lol
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Didn't something similar happen to Marvin in THHGTTG?
Drove him slightly bonkers iirc. Dreams like that make my head hurt.
I had a dream that the world was at war with Africa.
I was flying off the African coast when our plane crashed and I ended up in a life raft with some others, just as we saw the nukes hit.
We had a choice, either try to swim down below the flames/heat and hope to live but probably end up drowning, or stay at the surface for as long as possible and have a quicker death.
I chose the latter, and I remember trying to swim up to the surface after the raft was obliterated, and seeing the bones in my right arm.
Then everything went dark.
I was then in something like an underground abattoir, wearing a blood soaked rubber apron, huge meat cleavers and other nasty looking surgical implements were hanging up, and I had no control of my body, like I was undead.
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I had a dream that the world was at war with Africa.
I was flying off the African coast when our plane crashed and I ended up in a life raft with some others, just as we saw the nukes hit.
We had a choice, either try to swim down below the flames/heat and hope to live but probably end up drowning, or stay at the surface for as long as possible and have a quicker death.
I chose the latter, and I remember trying to swim up to the surface after the raft was obliterated, and seeing the bones in my right arm.
Then everything went dark.
I was then in something like an underground abattoir, wearing a blood soaked rubber apron, huge meat cleavers and other nasty looking surgical implements were hanging up, and I had no control of my body, like I was undead.
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good for you! being an undead!
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rewind millions of years. I was part of this massive collective consciousness terraforming the earth. We could move things thinking of it alone.We were moving continents, shaping the oceans, mountains.. etc... then I was assigned a task. I observed this one coral for ten millions years! my job was to observe and note everything about it. The coral turned into a precious stone. I felt the passage of millions of years, but felt not tired hungry or the need to sleep. I just stood there taking notes.
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Dude, chill with the minecrafting
hiu115 said:
good for you! being an undead!
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Well it's good to not let a little thing like death get you down
Nope. I guess my brain is wired that way. I've always had vivid dreams.
One dream I had sometime ago:
There were 7 obelisks floating high up in the heavens. These obelisks represented the 7 major religions of earth. And miles way was a huge generic temple that encompassed my entire field of view. All of a sudden I heard 3 loud bell gongs that shook me to the depths of my soul (an apocalyptic kind of feel to the whole thing), and the 7 obelisks came crashing down on the temple destroying everything. Our view of God was flawed so our belief system was done away with. Now God was ready to present himself to us.
crazy uh?
I just generally tend to fail in my dreams. Dream about being able to fly...fail to take off. About to get down and dirty with a hot girl...wake up.
My dreams reflect my reality. Endless frustration.
FML.
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I just generally tend to fail in my dreams. Dream about being able to fly...fail to take off. About to get down and dirty with a hot girl...wake up.
My dreams reflect my reality. Endless frustration.
FML.
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use the Dream Talk recorder on iShits...
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use the Dream Talk recorder on iShits...
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I think i just need to download 'Brain V1.1, bug-fix patch'.
I had loads of mini dreams..Wierd
I remember i got a call from a friend:
(F = Friend, M = Me)
F - Dude where are you?!
M - I'm at my place. What?
F - What?! I'm waiting for you down the road in my Mustang, come!
M - I'm sorry, what?
F - Come and meet me!
M - What the hell are you talking about?
*Silence*
F - Oh crap, i just talked in my sleep. Yeah.... I'm at home.
I also remember crashing at his place after an alcoholic night, and when i woke up i turned around and saw that he had a lighter in his mouth, so i poked him and asked what the hell he was doing, and then he said "What? Ooooh, i dreamt that i was eating candy".
Danielle can be hilarious if she falls asleep on the sofa before we go up to bed.
She'll "wake up" and brush her teeth, tell me something like "have you authorised that file. For the unicorn. The file, you know, what Val said."
And I have to try and keep a straight face (difficult as she's so cute) otherwise she gets frustrated.
I once caught her putting her glasses in the dishwasher, not drinking glasses, spectacles!
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Danielle can be hilarious if she falls asleep on the sofa before we go up to bed.
She'll "wake up" and brush her teeth, tell me something like "have you authorised that file. For the unicorn. The file, you know, what Val said."
And I have to try and keep a straight face (difficult as she's so cute) otherwise she gets frustrated.
I once caught her putting her glasses in the dishwasher, not drinking glasses, spectacles!
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Funny, but cute!
Anybody here mastered the art of Lucid dreaming?
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Funny, but cute!
Anybody here mastered the art of Lucid dreaming?
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I became quite good at starting it, but never succeeded in keeping it going. I was so into it at one point that I quite regularly realised that things in my dreams were obviously not real and therefore I was dreaming. I usually start flying and wake up a couple of seconds later, really excited. I think adrenaline kicks in with the excitement and it's too much for me to stay asleep
Apparently, spinning on the spot is good for not waking you up and once you've been doing that for a while you should have calmed enough to take full advantage of the situation.
How about you Dirk - have you had any luck?
anyone fall or get hit and like have a weird "jolt" and wake up ? Anyone else?xD
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I became quite good at starting it, but never succeeded in keeping it going. I was so into it at one point that I quite regularly realised that things in my dreams were obviously not real and therefore I was dreaming. I usually start flying and wake up a couple of seconds later, really excited. I think adrenaline kicks in with the excitement and it's too much for me to stay asleep
Apparently, spinning on the spot is good for not waking you up and once you've been doing that for a while you should have calmed enough to take full advantage of the situation.
How about you Dirk - have you had any luck?
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I tried for a while without success. Everything you're supposed to do as you fall asleep would only keep me awake!
I used to have terrible trouble falling asleep when i was younger though. Brain would just go into overdrive to the point where i would spin out with it all and have to get up again to calm down! It took some time but i trained myself to counter that and now i can fall asleep instantly using my 'method' (TM)
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anyone fall or get hit and like have a weird "jolt" and wake up ? Anyone else?xD
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There's a name for that but for the life of me i can't remember what it is. Reminds me of Inception though!
Some say that the bad things that happen in dreams are your brains way of preparing you for the bad things that might happen while you're awake. Systematic desensitization if you like. I wonder if there's any truth in that?
OK, since I've started a new weight loss regime, I figured I'd start a thread to see who else is into fitness/weightloss at the moment.
Maybe post your progress as you lose weight, or build muscle...
I'm currently 88Kg, which is 10-15Kg overweight for my height and age. Most of it is in my gut
I signed up with Anytime Fitness. They have really good facilities...all new and modern...the aerobic equipment (treadmill, rower, clye, stepper) all have tv available on the large LCD screen...
Also signed up with CalorieKing (US version available too). You enter your age, height, wieght etc and set a target weight, then it tell you how many calories you need per day. You use it like a food and excercise diary so it does all the work for you. It's a very handy tool. It has almost every food/brand in it's database.
Also signed up with Fitocracy, with a group on an Aussie forum. You get points for exercising/weight lifting etc and compete with others, as well as doing challenges etc...really good fun and help with the motivation!
If there was enough interest, I'd start an XDA group
Not at the moment, but i plan to start jogging and working out again (like the past years) starting february. I'm 25, my weight is currently 85kg and i'm 184cm (6"). I managed to lose 15kg last year (and 10kg is back now since i like beer and pizza).
I used RunKeeper Pro last year when i jogged and i'm planning to do the same this year. So my goal is to lose some weight and get more ripped (i'm fairly muscular since i used to lift weights for a couple of years, but no Arnold).
After that it'll be summer again and i'll slowly drown in beer and BBQ and i'll be at 85kg again in 12 month
Btw Willie, how old are you? Yes, we need to know.
I need to lose my beer belly. Since drastically decreasing my smoking, I've gained 10 kilos, and now my face has some fat on it, not just skin and bones like 3 months ago. So I'm actually happy I gained weight. lol
I think we're all in the same boat. Too much time in front of the computer, not enough time in the gym.
When they fit treadmills with 24" monitors and broadband connections i may consider going back!
Copycat.....you know what I'm talking about mate
DirkGently said:
I think we're all in the same boat. Too much time in front of the computer, not enough time in the gym.
When they fit treadmills with 24" monitors and broadband connections i may consider going back!
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They have the next best thing at a gym i used to go to. Treadmills with intigraded monitors and cable TV. I watched American Chopper while i jogged It actually helped since my mind was somewhere else and not "omg, i can't run anymore, omg omg".
Phatman don't do gyms.
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Phatman don't do gyms.
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me neither but i need to buff up, its just such a hard habit to get into
I do arm curls lifting this whopper to my face. Mmmmmm
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I do arm curls lifting this whopper to my face. Mmmmmm
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To your face?? Oh.... a burger
LordManhattan said:
They have the next best thing at a gym i used to go to. Treadmills with intigraded monitors and cable TV. I watched American Chopper while i jogged It actually helped since my mind was somewhere else and not "omg, i can't run anymore, omg omg".
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Yea, that's what my gym has
Have set up 3 session with a fitness trainer who's going to come up with a program for me to follow.
Can't wait to see that gut start disappearing!
I wanted to order pizza when i got home tonight, but i resisted. First step on the road to recovery!
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I wanted to order pizza when i got home tonight, but i resisted. First step on the road to recovery!
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lol...got to start somewhere
So..I'm starting one soon as I know I'm about 10-15 lbs overweight and just got word from doctor my chol/blood pressure is borderline. A lot to do with the food I eat; counting calories never worked for me. I'm actually seeing a dietitian soon that will work with me to form a proper diet so I can actually intake more of the good stuff and cut down on the bad stuff.
Apparently, all the exercise and calorie counting in the world doesn't get anywhere without eating the right foods and doing the right exercises.
For exercise, I just need to increase frequency, work already gives me 3 days a week out of their time, just need to put some personal time into it.
My dad was told by his doctor a few years ago that he was at risk for diabetes, and just recently he actually started to do something about it. He's been running on a treadmill everyday for about 4 months, slowly increasing the pace and workload. He hasn't lost a lot of weight (we assume it is because of how he eats) so I started to make him swim with me. I'm a pretty good swimmer, and i lost a ton of weight by doing it. I hope the combination will help him lose weight. Good luck to you guys.
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Over 2 weeks now
I've been going to the gym for over 2 weeks now (this after signing up for a membership and paying for it for the past 2 years yet never did I step foot inside the gym until recently!). Let me tell you it's a great feeling to get back to gym. I use the treadmill for 20 minutes everyday (they have 17" flat screens per treadmill now with 10-15 channels!) and then spend an hour using the weights. I actually look forward to going to gym now.
To those of you who are thinking about it: I've been on and off from the gym a lot, but I finally realized that if you really want something then you will make time for it no matter what. So in the end you need to look at yourself and ask how badly you want to lose those pounds or gain muscle. I'm not talking about simply saying "Yeah, I need it badly", but FEELING THE NEED. Then you will have your answer
Yep, I've been going for a few weeks now. It's definitely getting much easier and I'm nowhere near as sore after a session now
I do the same as machmanx above, I use the treadmill (also have tv screens on the equipment ) for a 20-30 minute run, then hit the weights.
I'm loving it. I have more "get up and go" now...I'm not as much of a lazy bum as I used to be
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The more muscle you build the more calories they'll burn, starting with the simple carbs and then the complex carbs, but don't lower your caloric intake drastically as the reverse will happen and your body will go into catabolic state (catabolism), and start using your muscle for energy and store fat instead as it will feel it is in a famine situation and fat is more important (nerves, brain function, and organ protection), and while a difficult process, your liver can convert protein for energy needs.
A good idea is to determine a decent caloric minimum intake for daily sustenance (just to survive that is -major organs, digestion, heart pumping etc.), take into account your daily lifestyle i.e. office work at a desk versus working on a farm, construction etc., and then add calories for those needs and still more for weight training and aerobic exercise. That way you'll have sufficient energy for daily needs plus calories to burn and rebuild muscle which in turn will burn unwanted calories. Space your meals to be more small meals throughout the day versus three or less heavy meals. They'll be better utilized and your energy levels and blood sugar will be more stable and regulated throughout your day.
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Thanks for the advice...seems to line up with what I've read elsewhere. You obviously know your stuff
I'm using a popular Aussie calorie counting website/diary. It has given me the ideal calorie intake required per day along with a few other helpful things
WHERE HAS THIS THREAD BEEN ALL MY TIME HERE ON XDA?! First, my (probably innecesary and maybe too detailed for some) introduction.
Hello, my name is Raúl and I'm a foodaholic. I'm near the 300 lb mark, although I "don't look the part". I am trying to follow the Weight Watchers PointsPlus diet (I stopped going after two months there). I am 6'2" and "big boned". I used to go to the gym, but ended up going alone and that really wasn't motivating for be (I could try it again though). I am sure I can pull off looking the best best 200-220 lbs, simply because I am a big guy. I am also a full-time computer engineering student.
Phew!
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I run every day with my dog. Sometimes I will play tennis too.