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Does anyone know if an AT&T or carrier device will get software updates directly from google like iPhone gets from Apple? I have heard both scenarios as it will come direct from Google and heard the carriers release. Not sure which is true?
That is the point of the pixel line.
Normal updates will come from Google. This includes the monthly security updates and Android OS updates.
techrider6262 said:
That is the point of the pixel line.
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sic0048 said:
Normal updates will come from Google. This includes the monthly security updates and Android OS updates.
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I understand and hope this is correct. I read somewhere that AT&T said Google releases updates and in same thread someone said Google told them they come from the carrier.
From the way I understand it, the Android platform (and a point of advertising for the Pixel product) now is supposed to be structured in such a way that updates can come directly from Google. It will be interesting to see whether the phones purchased directly from Google get the updates faster than those from the carriers.
I've just upgraded from a Pixel 2 to a 4 XL. I purchased the 2 from Best Buy, and the 4 XL directly from Verizon. Both came with Verizon SIM cards.
The 2 received updates the same day they were released from Google.
JohnKuczek said:
I've just upgraded from a Pixel 2 to a 4 XL. I purchased the 2 from Best Buy, and the 4 XL directly from Verizon. Both came with Verizon SIM cards.
The 2 received updates the same day they were released from Google.
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Wait a sec. You got an update on your 4XL already?
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Wait a sec. You got an update on your 4XL already?
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No, I got a bunch on the 2.
JohnKuczek said:
No, I got a bunch on the 2.
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Haha. Good one. I read it as you got a bunch on the 2 of them.
Ok so I was bored at work today and for S&G's I did an online chat with Google. The rep told me that carrier devices will get the updates from the carrier in batches and after they modify the update (whatever he meant by that). He did also confirm that unlocked devices bought from the Google store or somewhere like Best Buy will get them direct from Google.
I only bought from a carrier to get the rebates and bill credits. However, hoping they dont screw up google's native software with their "modifications".
I got my pixel 4xl from at&t yesterday and had a system update waiting for me already. I'm guessing the October security update. I'm doubting it came from at&t but I'm just guessing
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<snip>...The rep told me that carrier devices will get the updates from the carrier in batches and after they modify the update (whatever he meant by that). He did also confirm that unlocked devices bought from the Google store or somewhere like Best Buy will get them direct from Google.
I only bought from a carrier to get the rebates and bill credits. However, hoping they dont screw up google's native software with their "modifications".
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This is why I always buy from Google. Those credits and carrier tinkering (a.k.a. "software update delay generator") are not worth a few dollars to me. If I was willing to accept carrier tinkering then I might as well just buy a Samsung.
PS - I'm not picking on you, your just post brings up a very good point about where to buy a device and why.
I don't know why the Pixel update will be from the carriers and not Google.
The main reason you get Pixel is fast update from Google
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mxmarcus said:
I don't know why the Pixel update will be from the carriers and not Google.
The main reason you get Pixel is fast update from Google
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Because carriers optimize the device for their network. Google doesn't do the optimizations for them.
Pappy35 said:
This is why I always buy from Google. Those credits and carrier tinkering (a.k.a. "software update delay generator") are not worth a few dollars to me. If I was willing to accept carrier tinkering then I might as well just buy a Samsung.
PS - I'm not picking on you, your just post brings up a very good point about where to buy a device and why.
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Lol no offense taken. I got $700 in bill credits so it was almost a wash for me. That's the only reason I went to at&t. But when next year's model comes out I won't be a new customer getting any benefit so Google store I'll go lol.
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Lol no offense taken. I got $700 in bill credits so it was almost a wash for me. That's the only reason I went to at&t. But when next year's model comes out I won't be a new customer getting any benefit so Google store I'll go lol.
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Yeah. $700?!? I'd hit that. :laugh:
Got the November update this evening on my Verizon Pixel 4XL purchased directly from Verizon.
Got the update today on an at&t phone just as expected
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I also just got my update and im in the UK
Updated mine last night by hitting to check system update button. I bought my 4XL from T-Mobile
hello, i bought new verisons pixel 4xl from ebay. i wait 60 days to unlock it (1th photo) phone offer itself to activate eSIM(2th photo). before eSIM phisical sim worked fine but when i try to activate eSIM by QR code, it locked phisical sim too. (3th photo)
Did you actually get a eSIM from Versizon? They probably need your EID #
When I brought my unlocked pixel 3 to Verizon they sent me a qr code over email. It didn't work when scanning it to activate the esim. Eventually I called them, they started the process again and sent a new qr code. The second qr code worked and I successfully activated my phone. Maybe try contacting them again and asking if they can try activating it again or sending a new qr code. Also, there should be 2 imei's for your phone. I believe you give them the second one listed on your phones packaging. If you gave them the first IMEI that could be why activation isn't working as well.
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When I brought my unlocked pixel 3 to Verizon they sent me a qr code over email. It didn't work when scanning it to activate the esim. Eventually I called them, they started the process again and sent a new qr code. The second qr code worked and I successfully activated my phone. Maybe try contacting them again and asking if they can try activating it again or sending a new qr code. Also, there should be 2 imei's for your phone. I believe you give them the second one listed on your phones packaging. If you gave them the first IMEI that could be why activation isn't working as well.
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I find that hard to believe. There is not a single Android phone that works with eSim on Verizon currently. iPhones, yes but not any Pixel or Android. If you actually got eSim working on Verizon on your Pixel 3 then post a screen shot like the one below. Naturally, you won't have DSDS but that's beside the point.
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I find that hard to believe. There is not a single Android phone that works with eSim on Verizon currently. iPhones, yes but not any Pixel or Android. If you actually got eSim working on Verizon on your Pixel 3 then post a screen shot like the one below. Naturally, you won't have DSDS but that's beside the point.
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Can’t, I have the pixel 4 now and I no longer have Verizon. Switched to google fi.
joshuav700 said:
Can’t, I have the pixel 4 now and I no longer have Verizon. Switched to google fi.
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I see. Well just to clear things up for others reading this you cannot use an eSim on Verizon with any Android device currently. The only device that works with eSim on Verizon is the iPhone. Hopefully, that will change shortly since eSim is rolling out to every device.
Apparently people have done it though.
https://www.reddit.com/r/verizon/comments/a3l7yl/i_successfully_activated_esim_on_verizon_through/
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Apparently people have done it though.
https://www.reddit.com/r/verizon/comments/a3l7yl/i_successfully_activated_esim_on_verizon_through/
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lol. That's an iPhone. That thread is over a year old and it's referring to when the iPhone just started supporting eSim back in January 2019. The iPhone got a system update that allowed the eSim to be used and Verizon, obligingly, enabled it for the iPhone exclusively. That thread has nothing to do with Android and the first screenshot is of an iPhone. As I previously stated, eSim + Android + Verizon is a no go currently.
Just for historical value, the iPhone was DSDS from the get go. The Google P3 / XL could use eSim but only on a carrier such as Fi, international and ATT, reluctantly, after a while. But it was only single standby until the 3a / XL came out. Then we got true DSDS which continued with the P4 series. The Verizon P3 and 3a had their eSims disabled along with bootloader lock so you couldn't even enable it because there is no root. I believe the P4s have the eSim enabled but I wouldn't know for sure.
Been seeing stories that the October security update was pushed by Samsung for the S20 FE. I've got the USA unlocked model and haven't seen any updates yet. Have they pushed it in the USA yet? Have any of the big carriers pushed it yet?
I haven't got it either. I think sometimes it has something to do with your sim card, even on the unlocked model. I use Visible, so I'm probably not getting it for a while lol.
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I haven't got it either. I think sometimes it has something to do with your sim card, even on the unlocked model. I use Visible, so I'm probably not getting it for a while lol.
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I don't think that's the issue. The only country the update is being pushed out to at the moment is Germany from what I read on another web site. Hopefully we will be getting it stateside soon. If you have an unlocked like myself then your carrier does not have anything to do with firmware updates.
get the FW manually and force it on the phone with Odin
October update finally arrived this morning for US unlocked. No notification. Just tried a manual update check and there it was.
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get the FW manually and force it on the phone with Odin
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Do you know where the FW is available?
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Do you know where the FW is available?
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cant find the U1 firmware yet, but here is the G781B fw https://www.sammobile.com/samsung/galaxy-s20-fe/firmware/#SM-G781B
very likely need patched Odin to flash it. Buyer beware tho, if the U1 FW isnt out yet and you successfully flash any of these, you cant go back until the FW is released
I received ATJ5 update earlier when I manually checked for updates. Seems stable. Touchscreen issues seem much much better so far.
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October update finally arrived this morning for US unlocked. No notification. Just tried a manual update check and there it was.
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NOT for me. I'm on USA unlocked and just checked. Nothing.
Nothing yet on my USA T-mobile version
Been using my unlocked S20 FE (G781U1) for about a week now, that I got directly from Samsung, and still no updates. Stuck on the September security update.
Coming from an unlocked Pixel 3 that I used for 2 years, this is really weird! I always thought unlocked versions were the first to get the updates.
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Been using my unlocked S20 FE (G781U1) for about a week now, that I got directly from Samsung, and still no updates. Stuck on the September security update.
Coming from an unlocked Pixel 3 that I used for 2 years, this is really weird! I always thought unlocked versions were the first to get the updates.
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So, I've noticed that for some reason Samsung unlocked devices seem to get their updates pushed immediately AFTER the big 3 carriers have pushed their updates for some reason.
I'm using the Unlocked version on ATT, and I received the October security update on the 24th. Touch issues do seem improved, no complaints so far.
I've been following this on Reddit and Facebook. Nobody I know or have seen post that has an Unlocked model on T-Mobile is getting the update. If you swap the SIM out for a non-T-Mobile SIM, it will allow it to update. I actually tried an AT&T SIM today, saw it allowed an update, swapped my T-Mobile SIM back in, then it said no updates available (on September patch).
This makes no sense why T-Mobile is not sending the updates to UNLOCKED phones. I have submitted tickets to both Samsung and T-Mobile regarding this delay. No major response except for: "we're working on it". Unacceptable.
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I've been following this on Reddit and Facebook. Nobody I know or have seen post that has an Unlocked model on T-Mobile is getting the update. If you swap the SIM out for a non-T-Mobile SIM, it will allow it to update. I actually tried an AT&T SIM today, saw it allowed an update, swapped my T-Mobile SIM back in, then it said no updates available (on September patch).
This makes no sense why T-Mobile is not sending the updates to UNLOCKED phones. I have submitted tickets to both Samsung and T-Mobile regarding this delay. No major response except for: "we're working on it". Unacceptable.
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That's both crazy and annoying, but having been with T-Mobile for a few years I can't say I'm surprised. They've been last to the party more often than not when it comes to updates. Do you know if T-Mobile has pushed the October update to the T-Mobile (non-unlocked) variant of this device?? I bet they haven't yet.
I just successfully forced the update, see my new thread here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s20-fe/help/successfully-forced-october-update-t4183325
When will we get the December security update, Samsung got thirs before us
google drop it on the first monday of every month unless it's a public holiday in the US i.e. september (labor day) which is then a tuesday (i.e. when android 10 last year and 11 this year dropped)
Usually 2/3pm eastern (7/8pm UTC)
Thanx
Its available now at https://developers.google.com/android/ota
Once again Verizon update delayed a week until the 14th.
Just got December security update
For clarification because my unlocked 3XL OTAs never had separate carrier updates like this: the Verizon update is for ALL phones (unlocked and VZ locked) on the Verizon network?
If so, does this have to do with the mmwave 5G network configuration?
Locked AT&T Pixel 5 - installing now.
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Once again Verizon update delayed a week until the 14th.
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This is ridiculous. On my unlocked Pixel 2 XL i never had to wait on vzw. I always got updates the same time all other pixels go them.
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For clarification because my unlocked 3XL OTAs never had separate carrier updates like this: the Verizon update is for ALL phones (unlocked and VZ locked) on the Verizon network?
If so, does this have to do with the mmwave 5G network configuration?
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Yes, I believe I read that was the reason a few weeks ago.
On Visible, still no update yet.
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On Visible, still no update yet.
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Same, but what makes you think its carrier dependent? Visible phones are the same as ones sold by Google and/or Bestbuy as unlocked. I am thinking to download the "RQ1A.201205.011" from Google and ADB-sideload it via recovery, but kinda waiting to see if nobody has just done this and had nasty consequences, such as data wipe, bootloops, etc. I am not eager to hard-reset.
So I updated to the december security patch and after I flashed my magisk patched boot.img the battery icon in the status bar is acting weird. It looks empty with no white in the middle, anyone else getting this?
EDIT: NEVERMIND, found out the issue was my 9 tiles magisk module, after removing the battery icon was back to normal.
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When will we get the December security update, Samsung got thirs before us
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I got the OTA update yesterday.
You can follow the Release of OTA Updates here https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/stock-ota-updates-changelogs-07-12-2020.4185209/
I Update the thread/OP only after the Update is available usually within an hour after Google published it
I'm a bit confused by the various carrier flavors of OTA -- I purchased my (unlocked) pixel 5 from the google store but I use ATT for carrier service.
Will flashing the ATT flavor lock my device in some capacity? Or is that just for radio?
Thank you!!
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I'm a bit confused by the various carrier flavors of OTA -- I purchased my (unlocked) pixel 5 from the google store but I use ATT for carrier service.
Will flashing the ATT flavor lock my device in some capacity? Or is that just for radio?
Thank you!!
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Good question, i'd usually assume ROM doesn't affect SIM lock in any way or form, but i'd be reluctant to flash an update that contains a carrier junk in it, and possibly a locked bootloader i may end up being unable to reflash again.
I really don't think the ROM you flash should depend on the carrier you are currently on, and i wouldn't flash a carrier-customized one.
Why would you want to flash the ATT version on it?
I have the VZW version and it sucks they aren't releasing the update till next week. What is in the build that's different from the non-vzw versions? Hate vzw but the black friday deal was too good to pass up.
Anybody knows anything about any fixes and functional changes besides the feature drop? Each month, Google lists the Pixel specific fixes like this:
Google Android Pixel Security Update - November 2020 - Google Pixel Community
support.google.com
This month, the accoring page just talks about "several fixes and improvements across many areas including performance, stability, battery, and more":
Google Android Pixel Security Update - December 2020 - Google Pixel Community
support.google.com
I am really interested in knowing wether the infamous "GPay payments fail" issue was fixed for the P5.
If I bought the unlocked Pixel 5 from the google store and have verizon as my carrier, which OTA should I sideload?
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If I bought the unlocked Pixel 5 from the google store and have verizon as my carrier, which OTA should I sideload?
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The one that's coming on 14.12.2020. Verizon builds are always a week behind.
I have an unlocked Google Store Pixel 5 that I am using on Verizon.
I currently have the phone rooted with Magisk running October RD1A.200810.022.A4 .
When updating to the latest, should I pick the December All Carriers release or the November Verizon release?
I am thinking that I should flash December RQ1A.201205.011 rather than the Verizon version, but advice is appreciated.
(Apologies if this is already answered, I searched and read several pages of posts without a clear answer.)
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I have an unlocked Google Store Pixel 5 that I am using on Verizon.
I currently have the phone rooted with Magisk running October RD1A.200810.022.A4 .
When updating to the latest, should I pick the December All Carriers release or the November Verizon release?
I am thinking that I should flash December RQ1A.201205.011 rather than the Verizon version, but advice is appreciated.
(Apologies if this is already answered, I searched and read several pages of posts without a clear answer.)
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Personally I'd flash the November Verizon update and wait until next week to flash the December one. I'm not sure what Verizon is doing but since it's only a week away why not wait.
I'm using an unlocked on xfinity Mobile (Verizon mvno) I used the all carriers one. I'd only use the Verizon one for the Verizon model. Not sure but I'd definitely not want to end up with my bootloader permanently locked which as far as I know is the only difference with the Verizon variation of the phone
Yeah, that's why I asked the question. I am wondering if there might be some mmWave related differences as well. On my OG Pixel XL, I had the Verizon version that was bootloader unlocked using one of the hacks. I switched around between both factory variants and never noticed any difference.
To be "safe" I did upgrade my Pixel 5 to the All Carriers December version yesterday. I'm getting Verizon Sub-6 5G, VoLTE, WiFi Calling and all that jazz. I don't have access to mmWave so no way to test that.
So far I am not having any problems that I could blame on the build.
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I'm getting Verizon Sub-6 5G, VoLTE, WiFi Calling and all that jazz. I don't have access to mmWave so no way to test that.
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Have you been able to confirm that WiFi Calling actually works through Verizon? This is the one option I couldn't ever get working on my past unlocked phones. Seems that Verizon always said that it MUST be the Verizon branded for that option to work.