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Own and love the Galaxy Nexus, I think 16gb is well more than enough storage for on-the-go music and app combination.
The two major issues I have with it however are:
1) The camera quality.
I find the image quality quite grainy after taking photos. The camera just doesn't cut it for me. However I'm hoping that the 8MP camera on the Nexus4 (I know megapixels isn't everything) will solve that issue.
***2) THE SPEAKER LOUDNESS***
I think of the old Christmas poem "Night Before Christmas"...
"'Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house
Not a creature was stirring, not even the Gnexus at max volume".
That'll be the deciding factor on if I'll be picking up the phone or not, in all honesty.
Love you XDA,
-Aero
Well its not release yet, but we can take a few clues.
Base on this review: www.youtube.com/watch?v=a24txcFBWyE
the LG Optimus G have very weak speaker, saying that when on its back, one might even miss a phone call. Although that doesn't necessarily mean it will be the same for the Nexus 4.
As for camera, I have no proof that the 8MP camera of this device is similar to one on the Optimus G for ATT, but maybe if it is, we can look at those sample shots posted online. I think the general consensus is its not that great and might have trouble under low lighting. Overall I think it will be at least better than the current 5MP which is enough for me.
Just wait for feedbacks from other buyers before making the purchase.
PS. I still laugh at the fact when the Galaxy Nexus was just released people claimed its 5MP camera is better than the SII camera, even with side by side pictures comparison.
I'm disappointed it won't support GLONASS, base on the specs from the PlayStore.
The camera uses a Sony BSI Sensor, so I'm sure images will be crisp and sharp. Not sure what aperture it uses though, hopefully a f2.4/2.6.
kotaro_14 said:
The camera uses a Sony BSI Sensor, so I'm sure images will be crisp and sharp. Not sure what aperture it uses though, hopefully a f2.4/2.6.
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f2.4
i really love Nexus 4 but One X camera is amazing
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Well, just a very very simple thought: they advertise with their new feature, that panorama thing .. that's one selling point.. so the camera quality MUST be good, right?
Oh man, but I just remember Apple's Maps service ... hmmm.
Here's hoping both are better on the Nexus 4 as they are both somewhat of a disappointment on my Galaxy Nexus for me.
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From Josh Topolsky's initial impressions, he stated that the camera performance was a big improvement, and that Google has specifically concentrated on low-light performance. I have high hopes that a Sony sensor, let alone a BSI sensor, leads to respectable if not admirable image quality. If the f/2.4 aperture is an indication, we could easily see this sensor beat the GS3 in terms of how much light it lets in, but it all comes down to how aggressive noise correction is, which is entirely software, and affects image sharpness the most.
While the camera is a big deal to me (a BIG deal), what I'm more worried about is the speaker/earpiece output. As everyone knows, the GNex speaker and earpiece aren't great (that's putting it mildly), so I'm really hoping this phone has great speaker/earpiece volume. Do I expect it to rival my SIII? No. But being able to actually use the phone as a PHONE in a crowded place and being able to hear would be nice.
According to Cnet- The battery life and Camera are the two weakest points of the Optimus G (ATT)- its unbelievable how the google nexus phones have sourly disappointing cameras year after year.
It is becoming a HUGE feature for people- and while software can correct come issues- hopefully it does, it has to have a good sensor to start- which the LG should.
I guess we will have to wait for a proper review to get some camera samples. that is def make or break for me. coming from a One X, so camera bar is set rather high
Sony makes the camera for the legendary iPhones so I don't see why they would disappoint now.
Wonder how it would compare to the Lumia 920
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According to Cnet- The battery life and Camera are the two weakest points of the Optimus G (ATT)- its unbelievable how the google nexus phones have sourly disappointing cameras year after year.
It is becoming a HUGE feature for people- and while software can correct come issues- hopefully it does, it has to have a good sensor to start- which the LG should.
I guess we will have to wait for a proper review to get some camera samples. that is def make or break for me. coming from a One X, so camera bar is set rather high
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ATT Optimus G has 13 mpx camera and LTE.
maybe that's why google decided to go without the 13 mpx camera and without LTE.
the 8 mpx camera which is also used in the sprint version is supposed to be better.
and leaving out LTE saves battery.
hsrn said:
ATT Optimus G has 13 mpx camera and LTE.
maybe that's why google decided to go without the 13 mpx camera and without LTE.
the 8 mpx camera which is also used in the sprint version is supposed to be better.
and leaving out LTE saves battery.
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you got it reversed, Att model has the 8mp camera while the sprint version has the 13mp camera.
kotaro_14 said:
The camera uses a Sony BSI Sensor, so I'm sure images will be crisp and sharp. Not sure what aperture it uses though, hopefully a f2.4/2.6.
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Im sorry but how do you know that it has a Sony BSI Sensor ?
I mean that would be great as Sony makes the best sensors right now …
Thats pretty much one of my biggest selling points as i use the cameras a lot..
It was mentioned in the video done by The Verge.
Gayga
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Wonder how it would compare to the Lumia 920
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I dont expect the 920 to be great...the 900 was overhyped with the ziess lens and was garbage. the 920 will have GREAT low light photos- that much we know...as for regular performance, I think it will still be slightly below the top notch camera phones (S3, OneX, iphone, etc)
Praying the nexus 4 has a great camera...if so, I will snatch it up.
and what about capture speed ?
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The One Series camera's and the Lumia 920 have a lower aperture f2.0 which is better suited for low light conditions. Now I'm pleased with the HOX camera, this has to be on par at least for day shots as I rarely take that many low light shots.
Be interesting to know what BSI module it uses so we can make comparisons!
I hope the camera is good same as speakers..
Note8 + iPhoneX both have dual rear cameras however in some portrait photos especially your hair, ears etc is blurred out incorrectly. iPhone X seems to do this job a lot better despite having similar hardware specs.
Is this something a software could fix/enhance?
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Note8 + iPhoneX both have dual rear cameras however in some portrait photos especially your hair, ears etc is blurred out incorrectly. iPhone X seems to do this job a lot better despite having similar hardware specs.
Is this something a software could fix/enhance?
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1. two TOTALLY different devices
2. I've made some "portrait"-pic's: no problems at all
Ah okay, yes agreed that Note is a phablet and other a phone. However I'd assume that in the camera department at least they would both perform similar.
Particularly, portrait modes where Note 8 blurs out lot more than your face where IPhone X does the same lot more accurately.
They are both phones, the ill-term "phablet" is no longer valid, as it was only referring to big screen sized phones in the days of the first Note, now all flagship phones are even bigger than the first galaxy note, the differences that henklbr refers to, are mainly how both OEM design, build and manage their devices
Found the reason. IPhone uses Kinect like 3D imaging for its algorithm. Samsung uses 2D which unfortunately isn't anywhere as accurate as the iPhone for pleasing bike and portrait photos.
Hopefully the next iteration will have something as good or better.
everybodylovesfebs said:
Found the reason. IPhone uses Kinect like 3D imaging for its algorithm. Samsung uses 2D which unfortunately isn't anywhere as accurate as the iPhone for pleasing bike and portrait photos.
Hopefully the next iteration will have something as good or better.
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The 3D imaging is only for front camera when used to unlock the phone. So no that's not the reason. Its software.
Not according to the internet.
https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/255771-apple-iphone-x-truedepth-camera-works
http://bgr.com/2017/10/02/iphone-vs-android-camera-truedepth-face-id/
What does it really matter.. Ultimately, it's (a camera, any camera), is just a tool.. I've seen terrible (and I mean terrible, terrible) shots with the X, and I've taken some bad ones with my 8 in the learning process. Ultimately, it's up to the user to learn what the camera can and cannot do, and it's shortcomings.
I(and I'm sure many others)don't know why there is always someone "iPhone can do this".. Ok.. and, so what... Go buy an iPhone and see all that it cannot do, that the note can. And then, go post in an isheep (which the op sounds like) forum and see how many sensible responses you get..
We deal with notes.. Not iPhones here.. Who cares what that overpriced and over hyped single task piece of yesterday's hardware can or can't do(which can't, is a massive lot!).. I'll take my note on the worst day and night over that ugly screen and lack of multitasking on that ijunk..
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the only thing these two phones have in common is that they both have cameras
WaxysDargle said:
the only thing these two phones have in common is that they both have cameras
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And that both can do voice calls and text messaging :laugh:
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And that both can do voice calls and text messaging :laugh:
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that is debatable! lol
everybodylovesfebs said:
Not according to the internet.
https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/255771-apple-iphone-x-truedepth-camera-works
http://bgr.com/2017/10/02/iphone-vs-android-camera-truedepth-face-id/
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Both of those articles are referring to the front facing camera, not the rear cameras.
Geez I'm not an i sheep I've owned s2,3 4 5, s7e, s8 and now note 8. My close friend is however an apple fanboy and likes to compare both and up until the iPhone x I always had the upper hand in most things.
I spent hours trying to find a camera that takes portrait photos(both front and rear) with bit more accuracy when it comes to blurred background.
The 3D imaging is apparently only for the front camera which explains why the front self portraits are a lot better on the iPhone X where as the rear camera portraits are a lot closer in good lighting.
In dim lighting such as a restaurant, the Note 8 selective focus, live focus doesn't fire up due to "no contrast detected.." error.
I'm pretty happy with the Note and use proper mirrorless cameras (a6500 + 18-105 and Samsung NX500+45/1.8) for photography needs however thought I could ask the question here and see if I'm doing something wrong or get some constructive advice on ways to improve the portrait modes. Thanks
Well, yes, your reason is valid, but, in the end, it is always a matter of balance, even the mere fact of using a cell phone to take pictures ultimately reflects this, if taking pictures is the most important factor, a camera is the choice, but you have to pay a price, as I said, it is all about balance, Samsung tried to adress it with the galaxy cameras, but they abandoned it
Did they use new camera sensors or is it the same hardware as ins the 9+ for the standard and tele camera?
It's the same harware, plus the wide angle lens.
That sucks, coming from the S8 I could just get the S9+ for less money if I only care about the camera.
Well I'm sure if it was a 48mgp you'd be like wow, although for many just because it's a high number rather than knowing about photography.
It's the same sensors that I'm not concerned about, if the software has improved to make great use of them (pixel) or near to then I'm happy.
But of course in some people's mind 48mgp HAS to be better than 12mgp right?.....
Megapixels are 75% marketing and 25% reality.
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It's the same harware, plus the wide angle lens.
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What sensor does the s10 use? I don't think that info is out yet.
The s8 and s9 had the "same" 12mp sensor yet they were totally different, IMX333 vs IMX345.
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What sensor does the s10 use? I don't think that info is out yet.
The s8 and s9 had the "same" 12mp sensor yet they were totally different, IMX333 vs IMX345.
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I read on some review site that they thought it was the same sensor as the 9+ but I imagine that was speculation. It wouldn't surprise me if it was though.
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Well I'm sure if it was a 48mgp you'd be like wow, although for many just because it's a high number rather than knowing about photography.
It's the same sensors that I'm not concerned about, if the software has improved to make great use of them (pixel) or near to then I'm happy.
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If you knew about photography you would know software doesn't matter if its the same hardware, raw files will be the same an are processed with Lightroom as I want them, don't care about Samsung's JPG converter.
I would have been wowed by a larger sensor and a periscope tele with 80mm or more. Definitely not by last years hardware.
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If you knew about photography you would know software doesn't matter if its the same hardware, raw files will be the same an are processed with Lightroom as I want them, don't care about Samsung's JPG converter.
I would have been wowed by a larger sensor and a periscope tele with 80mm or more. Definitely not by last years hardware.
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Sorry but you're wrong. You can look at the Pixel or Magic Lantern for the Canon EOS DSLRs. https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/7x3m8b/pixel-3-camera-software-pixel-xl. If you would like to see a extreme version of how software will change cameras, checkout https://www.pdnonline.com/gear/how-ai-neural-networks-upscale-images/
Hi there,
This phone is cheaper to buy here as compare to others phones with snapdragon 845 . It gives better value when consider price to specs ratio. My only concern is about camera quality. Is camera quality match to Pixel 2 XL, HTC U11, P20 pro, S9 plus, Mi 8 etc ? Currently using pixel 2 XL
Rajaasim1980 said:
Hi there,
This phone is cheaper to buy here as compare to others phones with snapdragon 845 . It gives better value when consider price to specs ratio. My only concern is about camera quality. Is camera quality match to Pixel 2 XL, HTC U11, P20 pro, S9 plus, Mi 8 etc ? Currently using pixel 2 XL
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No, you'd better stick with Pixel 2.
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No, you'd better stick with Pixel 2.
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So xz2 camera is average/good ?
I do like camera and software of pixel 2 xl but everything else seem better in xz2
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So xz2 camera is average/good ?
I do like camera and software of pixel 2 xl but everything else seem better in xz2
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Yes, average nothing more.
It was just one of the best photophone of 2018, you can see the reviews...
How does it compare with Pixel 2, I don't know.
Rajaasim1980 said:
So xz2 camera is average/good ?
I do like camera and software of pixel 2 xl but everything else seem better in xz2
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The camera was very fine in 2018
Btw if you want to move to a custom ROM, there the camera driver should get better than stock in the following months.
I used the phone in the last 2 months. Camera is super ok in daylight and I can say I never missed a shot. Low light shots on the other hand require steady hands.
As a normal user I can say you won't notice a really big difference from other flagships.
What I really enjoy tho is the light post processing of pictures. All the shots have that grain of real pictures and a special vibe. In addition the white balance and color reproduction are again almost perfect.
I concur with what DUMIY said.
In daylight the pics have something special, they look like they are coming from a real camera, the color science is very good.
In low light it falls apart.
Latoc said:
I concur with what DUMIY said.
In daylight the pics have something special, they look like they are coming from a real camera, the color science is very good.
In low light it falls apart.
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Low light suffer because of lack of OIS? How is video quality?
Its strange that others manufacture are using sony hardware and getting better results than sony because of better software processing ...like HDR+ , nightsight in pixel and supernight mode in Huawei etc which do magic in low lights ...I guess in good lighting condition even midrange will give better results ...flagship camera excel in challenging condition
video quality is a lot better than photo quality tbh, especially 4k hdr recording
Will pixel 4Xl have normal wide lens or only selfie wide?
So far it looks like wide with a software crop for "normal" mode for the front
Also looks like the same sensor in the pixel 3
Unsure if it will boast any significant improvements over the pixel 3 in the camera department
It will. You've got multi-lens photography and one of the few secrets left, exactly what that 3rd sensor might be is not yet leaked but whatever it may be combined it adds up to more information that the on board co-processor will have with which to work. Those sensors will be leveraged against Goog's unsurpassed image processing capabilities and the result is going to be a leap forward for the Pixel line. How much of a leap is yet to be seen but I'm thinking one of it's biggest weaknesses should be improved; telephoto right now is some combination of soft and/or noisy. That at least should be much improved and it's an area where Goog visibly lagged behind other smartphone camera offerings. The reasons for that improvement go back to the topic of the thread...
The latest rumors say both lens are telephoto and the third unknown sensor is guessed to be time of flight or spectral.
No longer appears to be in doubt; the Pixel 4 XL will ship with 12.2MP Sony IMX363 sensor with an aperture of f/1.7 and a 16MP Sony IMX481 sensor with a telephoto lens. Interestingly the videos showing the prototype phones like the Vietnamese one all show that the third sensor and it's function are not in the firmware. Nor is it in the Pixel 4 camera APK which just leaked. It appears there are some things Goog doesn't want to accidentally *rolls eyes* leak and is trying to hold to reveal. Kinda interesting that...
Yes but the 363 is the same main sensor in the pixel 3 lineup
You'd think they'd upgrade the main sensor...bad move by Google imo but let's wait and see what the results yield
Not sure about that, upgrading the main sensor would toss buttloads of software development on what was one of the best total packages in the business. It was in the long shots that the competition was beating the Pixel lineup in photographs, in the close up stuff it was still absolutely top tier. Now they should have the telephoto stuff covered as well and you have the addition of the third mystery sensor. I don't think they can miss on it being a real upgrade, it's a matter of how significant.
Anyone here know what kind of telephoto it will be 3x? 5x?8x?I really want to have a better telephoto camera for my photography hobby.So im torn between pixel 4 xl and p30 pro
The rumor had it 5x optical plus 3x digital for 8x.
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Not sure about that, upgrading the main sensor would toss buttloads of software development on what was one of the best total packages in the business. It was in the long shots that the competition was beating the Pixel lineup in photographs, in the close up stuff it was still absolutely top tier. Now they should have the telephoto stuff covered as well and you have the addition of the third mystery sensor. I don't think they can miss on it being a real upgrade, it's a matter of how significant.
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I understand this but surely upgrading the main sensor wouldn't be too hard for the Google developers, they did a great job on the 362 and 363 sensors.
There is some evidence they did upgrade it in at least one respect; that we know of the aperture was apparently changed to let more light in. It's possible other changes exist that aren't known. However that may be camera modules are mature now and most of the work is done in software. I think I know where you're coming from and I don't necessarily disagree with the thought that it would be nice if they used more up to date hardware in their devices. In this case I it's possible we may actually be ahead of the game because they are getting results that stand with the best in the business in most respects with the single older module right now. Keeping it and building on that with the telephoto lens and mystery sensor information added in might produce better results than a newer sensor with less development. More likely it's just Goog cheaping out on us as they do with all the rest of the hardware. Who knows? I still don't see how we don't see better results with what we know, it's a matter of how much better that I question.
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There is some evidence they did upgrade it in at least one respect; that we know of the aperture was apparently changed to let more light in. It's possible other changes exist that aren't known. However that may be camera modules are mature now and most of the work is done in software. I think I know where you're coming from and I don't necessarily disagree with the thought that it would be nice if they used more up to date hardware in their devices. In this case I it's possible we may actually be ahead of the game because they are getting results that stand with the best in the business in most respects with the single older module right now. Keeping it and building on that with the telephoto lens and mystery sensor information added in might produce better results than a newer sensor with less development. More likely it's just Goog cheaping out on us as they do with all the rest of the hardware. Who knows? I still don't see how we don't see better results with what we know, it's a matter of how much better that I question.
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definitely agree with Google cheaping out on hardware.
we have other manufacturers making phones with great hardware at competitive prices (UFS 3, HDR10 90hz etc)
i have owned every pixel phone since release ( and nexus lineup prior) and i do notice a common theme with google, they always only incrementally upgrade their hardware and asking for a premium.
thats not to say that their phones arent as good.
What are the difference between the sensor in Pixel 4 and the new one which is being used on newer phones?