Hi guys!
I was just wondering if anyone has had the chance to mess around with the Telephoto lens/algorithm to get more options or to be able to use it in Pro mode?
Or does Samsung have it locked down pretty tight? The reason I ask is that I find it odd that Samsung doesn't utilize the telephoto lens in Pro mode even scenes with more than enough light.
I was also reading an article on how the iPhone 7/8 Plus does a similar thing to what Samsung does where in lower light they use the main lens and digitally crop it but 3rd party camera apps have the ability to select between the two lenses.
Come on Samsung, open up your camera API!
Note 8 telephoto lent raw
I have the same problem... Isn't possible show in raw with the telephoto lent in pro mode.. Is there a third party app that allow to' shoot in raw with THE telephoto lent?
Just felt this needed a bump!
yeah i have problems with it as well. bought a zhyun smooth 4 gimbal for video because it has a zoom wheel and samsung wont let the zhyun camera app or filmic pro to use the tele lens, or 4k. so annoying.
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Hello guys, I'm really disappointed and I need your explanations please !
I bought my Galaxy Note 9 (960F variant) from an official Samsung store so I'm sure I'm having a genuine one
As you know, there are two cameras in the rear. I thought that the main one is in the middle, and the 2X optical zoom powered is the one at the left.
Well, yesterday I was playing with my phone, and I masked the camera on the left with a paper. So I thought that I can take pictures in normal mode with the camera on the middle, but the 2X option should give me a blank picture only because of the mask. But no ! Both modes (1x and 2x) are using the same middle camera !
It's normal ?! So what is the purpose of the left sided camera ? Is the 2X really an optical zoom or just a software one ?!
Please do the test and answer me !
Maybe this explains is it
https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/samsung-galaxy-note-9-camera
My side camera works only on live focus. Everything else I tested works on the center only. I have a snapdragon, the same setup as my wife's Note 8 too. It's the way they are designed.
kaalalto said:
Hello guys, I'm really disappointed and I need your explanations please !
I bought my Galaxy Note 9 (960F variant) from an official Samsung store so I'm sure I'm having a genuine one
As you know, there are two cameras in the rear. I thought that the main one is in the middle, and the 2X optical zoom powered is the one at the left.
Well, yesterday I was playing with my phone, and I masked the camera on the left with a paper. So I thought that I can take pictures in normal mode with the camera on the middle, but the 2X option should give me a blank picture only because of the mask. But no ! Both modes (1x and 2x) are using the same middle camera !
It's normal ?! So what is the purpose of the left sided camera ? Is the 2X really an optical zoom or just a software one ?!
Please do the test and answer me !
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It's the same thing with the Note8. It all depends on the lighting and if anything blocking the other camera. It works by design. So when you hit 2x it seems it's blocked and gives you 2x digital zoom instead.
So it's truly an optical zoom ? I ask because if it's "just" a software one, I won't never use it to preserve picture quality !
kaalalto said:
So it's truly an optical zoom ? I ask because if it's "just" a software one, I won't never use it to preserve picture quality !
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yep, AFAIK, it is true optical zoom. The camera just changes back to main camera if something is blocking the secondary one.
Um I try to not cover it ,but it still using the main one
JalenHo said:
Um I try to not cover it ,but it still using the main one
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Same here !
I hope I didn't started a "cameragate" scandal !
There are no official specifications from Samsung explaining the purpose of each camera ?!
It depends on the lighting
Try and go outside, on a sunny and bright day, point at the clouds or something, and zoom
Then cover the center camera, it should be using the 2x lens (can confirm with my SM-N960F)
kaalalto said:
Same here !
I hope I didn't started a "cameragate" scandal !
There are no official specifications from Samsung explaining the purpose of each camera ?!
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You didn't, it's working properly. You are just confused. Cover the middle one and see. Take multiple pics @ 1x and then at @ 2x on both cameras with and without covering. Covering the camera just out it into a different mode so as to not take bad pics by default. The difference is clear of you understand the 2 technologies and have any eye for photography. It's working completely correctly and very nicely.
Yeah like the others stated, it's not supposed to work completely independently and take pictures even with no light to the sensor, it's supposed to be smarter than that, if it's working correctly.
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Hey all, I worked this out.
In a low light situation the wide camera is used for the 2X zoom (So technically Digital zoom)
In a situation with more light, it switches to the dedicated 2X camera.
You can test this by putting your finger over the camera and showing it a bight light, then dark. I'm guessing this is because the main (Wide) camera is better at low light.
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Hey all, I worked this out.
In a low light situation the wide camera is used for the 2X zoom (So technically optical zoom)
In a situation with more light, it switches to the dedicated 2X camera.
You can test this by putting your finger over the camera and showing it a bight light, then dark. I'm guessing this is because the main (Wide) camera is better at low light.
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Yes, although you mean digital zoom for low light situations.
My issue is that sometimes the camera still decides to use digital zoom in good lighting instead of the second camera because it decides that a slightly overcast day or sunset is "low light" or the subject is too close. I'm guessing the second camera can't focus as closely and its optics aren't quite as good as the main camera. In more inconsistent conditions I can sometimes see the viewfinder image jump between the two lenses and usually settle for the digital zoom. Doesn't seem to be used at all in Pro Mode. (I also wish Pro Mode had burst capture)
If you look at the EXIF data you can see which lens is used for your photo. The wide lens is 4.3mm and the telephoto lens is 6mm. The mushroom images were taken 20 seconds apart with "2X" in Auto mode; in the second shot the camera decided to use the wide lens with crop, and the EXIF shows 4.3mm compared to the first image. The crop version just looks like an upscale and has more aggressive nose reduction and edge enhancement; it's not too bad compared to some phone cameras which add too much sharpening or use a simpler interpolation filter. The third image of the grasshopper/locust was in very bright daylight, but the camera decided to use the main camera with 2X crop.
https://imgur.com/a/MYpRogb
With video it tends to be even more obvious which camera is used because if you take 4K in low light with 2X enabled it looks more noise-reduced and interpolated.
I get that Samsung tried to make its camera app "smart" but the 2x button implies that it's using the 2x lens and doing otherwise is deceiving.
If I knew that a zoomed photo would use digital zoom then I'd rather take the full shot and crop later so that I can have more flexibility in framing.
While this is unlikely to ever happen, here's how I feel this should be fixed:
1) Add an option to force switch cameras in all conditions (perhaps in pro mode only?)
2) Hide the 2x button unless the telephoto camera will actually be used. Still allow pinch to digital zoom.
I've looked around but couldn't find any 3rd party camera apps which are able to use the zoom lens. Does anyone know of one?
I've tried a few shot it seems if the lighting isn't good enough it will stick with the primary camera., in good lighting it does work though.
Just do two shots with each and compare the level of detail, it should be obvious.
I'm a bit disappointed in the required zoom for super slo-mo. I think it's safe to assume there is no way to zoom out, so I'm wondering about the logic in forcing the zoom. My guess is that both cameras are used at the same time, shooting at 480fps, alternating frames, allowing for 960fps shooting when combined. I think some of the blurriness of the mode comes from having to apply a digital enlargement to the wide-angle camera so that it matches the telephoto lens. Any other guesses?
Dunno but I took a video of a hummingbird today and thought while neat the quality sucked.
My device is s20fe exynos version.
I'm coming from an s8+ which has average selfie pictures, but the selfies from the s20fe are just bad. Seems like there's no autofocus & the pictures are so grainy. I disabled all filters & face effects. HDR is on auto.
The main camera also has some noise as well with scene optimizer on or off. Hdr on auto as well.
I don't understand why the pictures are so bad. I'm using 16:9 aspect ratio.
All reviews I've seen on YouTube say that the selfie camera on the s20fe DOES NOT HAVE auto focus. That's one of the many things that probably makes it cheaper than the s20 or s20 plus. I'm still waiting for mine to arrive but wanted to let you know, maybe wanna check to be sure that your device does not have a hardware issue.
When using a gimbal, should I turn the Video stabilization off? This is filmed on automatic UHD30 with UW lens. Was I moving too fast? Is S21U dropping frames? Advise highly appreciated, as I got these annoying little jerks spoiling the footage.
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When using a gimbal, should I turn the Video stabilization off? This is filmed on automatic UHD30 with UW lens. Was I moving too fast? Is S21U dropping frames? Advise highly appreciated, as I got these annoying little jerks spoiling the footage.
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Probably worth experimenting with gimbal OR software stabilisation just to see what each achieves.
Would also bear in mind that the ultrawide lens is the only one without any kind of mechanical OIS - so you would expect it to be the worst performing in terms of stabiliation.
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Probably worth experimenting with gimbal OR software stabilisation just to see what each achieves.
Would also bear in mind that the ultrawide lens is the only one without any kind of mechanical OIS - so you would expect it to be the worst performing in terms of stabiliation.
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Might also be worth recording at 60fps and then converting it to 30 (if you need it at 30) to see what effect that has. Could be that the software does a better job when it has more frames / a higher refresh rate.
Thanks! I'll have a try.Bitrate is crazy low isn't it?