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Is my Wizard a brick after upgrade and attempted SPB restore

Greetings,
Ive just upgraded to the latest xcelencin ROM without issue.
When I attempted to restore (using SPB) from the backup taken just before the ROM upgrade SPB complained that the restore was not responding, so I cancelled it.
Now the machine will not boot past the Windows Mobile 5 splash (afer the Tmobile splash).
Any ideas?
Thanks

if it gets to the win mobile screen, u can probably re flash it. should work then.

Did the same on mine , had to hard reset using comms manager and voice dial buttons and reset button. think it was caused by using spb backup after changing rom.

Guys and gals, NEVER restore with Spb backup (or, for that matter, ANY backup app unless it's called Sprite Backup) after an OS upgrade!!!!
Read http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=1270&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 for more info on all this (you may want to search for (Ctrl-F) "device upgrade" to find the relevant info ASAP.)

had the same exact problem - upgraded from xelencin's 2.24 rom to the 2.26 rom - and tried a restore - no go - had to hard reset and start from scratch

backup, upgrade rom, restore questions

I have a Tmo mda gen 3
task: upgrade rom to faria
So I wanted to try the new wm6 rom (faria) so I starting reading and reading here on XDA and other places for any and all information about the best way to do an upgrade, mind you I already upgraded to 2.24 so my mda is already unlocked and ready to get flashed.
So I did a backup with sprite, I didnt do a updatefile step which is suppose to make an upgrade file so when you do get the new rom on its suppose to help ,but anyways I got a backup.
I flashed the rom to my mda and I had it working, just like everyone said, it was faster, more toys and seemed to work!
Now I did a (selective) restore (only restoring needed stuff), well... sprite warned about rom versions ,but it restored my files including my registry.
low and behold EVERY one of my programs worked, GPS, google maps, etc
,but 2 issues I can not resolve.
timewizard.exe randomly pops up
voicecommand does not work
so it appears the only advice for the timewizard.exe was reflash , which I have done a few times in trying to get voicecommand working ,but the popup message seems to come back, mainly after a registry restore.
voice command is the bigger one, it appears when I restore the registry it blows away some voice command entries from the pre installed voice command 1.6 and then voicecmd.exe does not want to run.
So my question is I am sooooo close to being able to make a backup change roms and get EVERYTHING back WITHOUT reinstall of software I can taste it ,but I need some input!
anyone know some good registry tools / editing suggestions to backup the registry and restore it without killing voice command?
Jeff

Try flashing back and creating an upgrade file. I'd love to know whether it works ;-)

Thats what I did and it worked, however what I did first was
flash to the orginal rom, 2.24 xcel
I restored the sprite backup , however voice command didnt even work going back to orginal rom.
then I removed voice command 1.5 from installed programs.
cleaned up some file space only had 6 meg left on main storage.
then I create the updatefile and saved it to sd card.
finally did another complete backup
flashed to new rom and then did a restore and now voice command works, I will be doing some more testing ,but I think I got it.
if I would have had to install each program seperately that would have killed me!
jeff

well.. forget what I just said.... nothing works!
back to the drawing board......
all the files restored correctly ,but the registry did not restore when using the update mode AND the updatefile.
none of my programs appeared in the start menu and none of the registry entires were restored....
I'll try doing some manually restoreing and see what I get... maybe I missed something....
Jeff

well... I hope my ramblings help someone else!
so I think the key here was simpling removing voice command from the backup file and upon restore everything will work.
so in short, backup upgrade rom , restore works with sprite , but without using the updatefile mode as it seems it just ignores the windows folder and the registry , so whats the point?
I test some more and post my comments to help others who do not want to reinstall everything when they upgrade rom's.

If you get this to work, that would be great, but I think you are playing with a loaded gun trying to do this. Many things are very different between WM5 and WM6. Depending on the type of backup done and what all gets restored, I can see corruption of the registry, and things just not being put in the right place.

Well... so far ALL my apps are working, gps, google, opera, etc about the only thing now is I am getting a Notification
TimeWizard.exe could execuite.
I am hunting that one down in the reg right now.
any ideas?
jeff

Well ... to follow up my thread with my self and maybe help a few others.
the last issue I had after a rom upgrade and a restore was the dreaded timewizard.exe notification popup when you turn on the mda or come back from power save.
after hours/days of messaging around I found that in the "Task Manager" tool you can view Notifications and in there I found timewizard.exe listed a few times, I just assume it had this as a warning/notification and was simply "Notifing" me of a "past" problem. after I cleared it out of there the mda has not shown any more Can not execute TimeWizard.exe popups!
I hope this help anyone else with this issue.
Jeff

Sprite backup and hard reset

I'm not using the original HTC rom.. if I backup with sprite and do a hard reset.. will I be able to restore using the backup I made?
I heard it will cause problems, if I restore. Is this true?

Yes, you can restore as long as it's back to the same ROM. However, if you made a BU just prior to HR, you could introduce the same problems back to your machine that you're trying to correct. If you have a BU when your device was clean, I'd use that instead.

Delta_flyer said:
Yes, you can restore as long as it's back to the same ROM. However, if you made a BU just prior to HR, you could introduce the same problems back to your machine that you're trying to correct. If you have a BU when your device was clean, I'd use that instead.
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hmm... so are you saying after I hard reset, I should install the ROM I am using now then restore?
I don't have any previous backups

When you hard reset, all you're doing is setting everything back to factory defaults. The ROM you currently have in your device will be the same one after HR. The problem with Sprite BU or any other BU program is,,,it backs up junk too. It's good to make a BU of your device when it's really working well, that way you'll have a known good place to start from. I recently went thru this. After HR, I restored using a BU I created just before HR, the problems I tried to cure with the HR returned after restoring. I ended up rebuilding from scratch.

Delta_flyer said:
When you hard reset, all you're doing is setting everything back to factory defaults. The ROM you currently have in your device will be the same one after HR. The problem with Sprite BU or any other BU program is,,,it backs up junk too. It's good to make a BU of your device when it's really working well, that way you'll have a known good place to start from. I recently went thru this. After HR, I restored using a BU I created just before HR, the problems I tried to cure with the HR returned after restoring. I ended up rebuilding from scratch.
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I just wanted to know if the hard reset will fix the usb problem I have now.. so if it doesn't I'd rather be in the state I have now.. so.. basically I'm just using this as a test.

Yes it will backup everything.
DVS_WiNdz said:
I just wanted to know if the hard reset will fix the usb problem I have now.. so if it doesn't I'd rather be in the state I have now.. so.. basically I'm just using this as a test.
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I use Sprite BU when I test out a new ROM. Since I do this frequently and I need my phone for work, I also needed a way to restore my phone to the last good working condition quickly and reliably.
Sprite was my choice because it was already on my first AT&T ROM. Since then I spent the cash and bought the full version. I find it to be snappier when restoring, but that probably has to more to do with the filesystem than anything else.

Delta_flyer said:
When you hard reset, all you're doing is setting everything back to factory defaults. The ROM you currently have in your device will be the same one after HR. The problem with Sprite BU or any other BU program is,,,it backs up junk too. It's good to make a BU of your device when it's really working well, that way you'll have a known good place to start from. I recently went thru this. After HR, I restored using a BU I created just before HR, the problems I tried to cure with the HR returned after restoring. I ended up rebuilding from scratch.
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hmm..
say I have Dutty's ROM now.. and I do a hard reset.. I will still have Dutty's ROM after the hard reset?

DVS_WiNdz said:
hmm..
say I have Dutty's ROM now.. and I do a hard reset.. I will still have Dutty's ROM after the hard reset?
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Yes, it doesn't change anything rom wise.
What I'm wondering is how to backup and restore wifi password and settings / email acct's after updating the rom..this is the biggest thing for me.

gman8966 said:
Yes, it doesn't change anything rom wise.
What I'm wondering is how to backup and restore wifi password and settings / email acct's after updating the rom..this is the biggest thing for me.
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Whenever I restore from a BU, it re-establishes my passwords, at least in BBC. I didn't test my wifi connections before I rebuilt my device last.

Hi,
I'm also on the way to flash the ROM, but I've been putting it off for some time now because of data backup. I do not worry about contacts (Outlook sync), but I would REALLY like to be sure I will not have to reinstall TomTom and NavmanST navigation software together with all the settings (user POI I added myself), sms, MMS etc.
If I understand correctly, doing a backup (Spb, Sprite etc.) before flashing will do me no good, so is there really no way to keep (some of) the installed software in some way?
Any help appreciated...

If I were you I would run two backups; one before and one after the update. And use more than just one backup software, if possible.
BusterTyTN

Tilt keeps freezing on green windows moblile screen

My phone keeps freezing on this green windows mobile screen, and no matter how many times i reset nothing happens. I have to do a hard reset in order to get the phone working again. It happens often whenever i turn the phone off and on or change out the battery. Any idea? I am running the stock ATT rom, without the added junk (after i do i reset and it starts installing the extra apps i soft reset the phone). I installed the stock kaiser htc home plug in and thats about it.

i thinks its time for a new rom.
to keep it simple and basic =
http://www.america.htc.com/support/tilt/software-downloads.html

this happened to me just two days ago. phone froze up and wouldnt start. i had to do a hard reset.
hold both softkeys and use the stylus to reset the phone. (hole at the bottom of phone).
this will do a hard reset.
it sucks that you dont have a sprit back up of all your data. i have several checkpoints of my data. i suggest you do the same if you do decide to hard reset.

grandpareza said:
this happened to me just two days ago. phone froze up and wouldnt start. i had to do a hard reset.
hold both softkeys and use the stylus to reset the phone. (hole at the bottom of phone).
this will do a hard reset.
it sucks that you dont have a sprit back up of all your data. i have several checkpoints of my data. i suggest you do the same if you do decide to hard reset.
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I do have backups, and it continues to happen. I finally just reinstalled all my apps today without restoring a backup to see if it helps but I doubt it.

Do you have HardSPL or have you changed your radio? Anything like that? Have you previously flashed other roms?

nope stock and stock. I did first notice this when I tried to use the kaiser tweak utility. but i have since never installed it

Did you upgrade from the original 1.57 at&t Rom to the recently released 1.62 at&t Rom?
If so are your restoring a backup from the 1.57 Rom onto the 1.62 Rom. That is a no-no....

Remove your SD card and do a soft reboot. If it still hangs, then it is a ROM issue. If it boots OK then there is a program on your SD card that the device is having problems with, in either linking to or opening.
Copy all the SD card files and programs on your PC. Format the SD card. Start installing the programs one at a time and see which program is the culprit. Remove it and all those that add to the problem.
If you were happy with the original ROM, then do not change to another.

kyphur said:
Did you upgrade from the original 1.57 at&t Rom to the recently released 1.62 at&t Rom?
If so are your restoring a backup from the 1.57 Rom onto the 1.62 Rom. That is a no-no....
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Hey Kyphur.. good to see you here.. What else can you do to avoid keeping remnants of the previous ROM? How can you avoid restoring a back-up?.

asfoor said:
Hey Kyphur.. good to see you here.. What else can you do to avoid keeping remnants of the previous ROM? How can you avoid restoring a back-up?.
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That's a loaded question. Personally I have the cab files for all of my programs on my storage card. I've consolidated some useful programs into a single cab and modified most cabs to install into a cleaner start menu structure.
Then I use KaiserTweak to set the few remaining Reg settings that I don't have already set in my cooked Rom.
My today plugins (PocketBreeze, PocketWeather & iLauncher) all have import/export functions so I use that so I don't have to reconfigure them every time.
Finally I have an Exchange Server account for my contacts and e-mails.

Sprite Backup software-Good software

Usually I am writing about some PDA problem that I need the experienced users here to bail me out with.
Today I am writing about a positive review. I just loaded Sprite Backup software, that came with my TouchPro. I wasn't sure it would be worthwhile, but it works very well. It does a full backup of EVERYTHING on your PDA either onto your PC or onto the microSD card. Three times in the past three years, my PDAs would suddenly hard reset themselves while I was traveling overseas. So this feature is awesome.
With the option to backup to the microSD, the backup file, which is an .exe file can be run right after a hard reset to bring the PDA back exactly where it was before the hard reset. Wow!
I haven't used the recovery yet, but the backup process is simple, quick and easy. If recovery works as well, it makes this a "must have" app.

I feel SPB Backup much better and stable. Read my backing up pocket pc guide.
Regards,
Carty..

I agree that Spb is the better program. I ran both Sprite (came with Fuze) and Spb. Sbp was much faster and easier to use.
However, Sprite is a no cost extra for those who have the new Touch Pro.

Sprite versus SPB Backup
Carty,
Thanks for the added opinion. SPB does sound pretty good. How much does it cost?
So far Sprite seems to work well and is fairly quick, especially if I do not backup my photos and mp3's. Since these are on my microSD card, that hasn't been necessary anyway.
Have you ever done a restore with Sprite? How did that work out? Was it a seamless/painless restore back to the original state before hard reset?
How does the Sprite restore compare to the SPB restore?

Im planning to Flash a New rom onto my Fuze, and i noticed that it has included the Sprite Backup, that i can use.
I was thinking of using PIM Backup, instead of Sprite.
What are u guys thoughts on PIM Backup? has anyone used it after flashing a new rom?
If i use the Sprite Backup, that is included with my fuze, and i back up everything onto my MicroSD card/Computer...If the Rom that i install does NOT have Sprite Backup installed...can i still use the .exe backup file from the sprite program? Or would u have to install Sprite Backup onto the NEW ROM, for it to be able to restore my backup?

Alucard_11 said:
....If the Rom that i install does NOT have Sprite Backup installed...can i still use the .exe backup file from the sprite program? Or would u have to install Sprite Backup onto the NEW ROM, for it to be able to restore my backup?
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Depends which ROM you intend to flash sir?

I would have to agree with Mrvanx that it depends on which rom you started with and which you are flashing to.
Sprite backs up EVERYTHING, so if you do a restore, I think it also restores EVERYTHING. Not certain if this is true or if you can do a selective restore.
However, you might wind up restoring files or settings that may be incompatible with the new rom. Check Sprite's website also as it may answer this.

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Depends which ROM you intend to flash sir?
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ohhh, ok well i planning on flashing NATF's ROM,
but if it might cause any trouble, then i think ill just use PIM backup...that would work with any ROM right?

Sprite Back-up gets my vote
While I'm an a die hard proponent of Sprite Mobile. It does comes with it's on limitations. Only this time the limiting factor is you. It does allow restore and back-up of specific of only portions of the ROM or device. It also has a ROM-upgrade restore feature. So without getting supper deep. If you are going to upgrade the ROM and only are interested in PIM information, I would suggest PIM backup. I have not used SPB much not sure that I have used it to restore ever. But Have used sprite since 1996.

i've used sprite countless times for years, and have never had a problem with it. i tend to mess my phones up a lot, so its great to do a hard reset, and then throw on a backup that i know works right. i tend to backup right before i do something that will most likely crash it lol

is there a cab for sprite? I tried using the version i had with my touch pro but get an error when i try installing it to my fuze it tells me to upgrade to the proper rom. and since i am currently on Monx's ROM it doesn't have it installed by default

Hi Guys,
I was using Sprite Backup for a while as it came with the phone, it seemed fine but as I installed more software the more unreliable it got. The main problem was that it would go through the whole backup process and then right at the end (after 2 soft resets) would report that an error had occurred.
This got better when I upgraded to the latest version but then I noticed that when I did need to restore all my speed dials were messed up.
Checking the Sprite website it looks like they have addressed the speed dial issue in the very latest version 6.5.2.
Saying this I've been using SPB Backup and have no problems at all, even after a restore and it also only soft resets once.
Hope this helps,
D.

Help Please
I did a verry dumb thing today. I installed a program, can't remember what it was, a skin probably or some sort of settings program and my Touch PRO crashed. It stopped booting and was not comunicating with the pc. After a sotf reset it started and showed the home screen but without any of the buttons and the start text. it only showed the windows icon in the top left and the calendar and contacts on the bottom of the screen. The dumbest thing i did was to do a hard reset (i think) by pressing the d-pad and the volume down and after that, the reset button on the bottom of the phone and volume up after the message). This obviously reinstalled the os and deleted everything that was on the phone. So far so good, but i had some photos made a cuple of days ago. Is there any way to access the phone memory as a flash via usb of some sort in order to look into the file system with some recovery programs? PLEASE HELP ME. My mail adress is [email protected]. Thank you verry much.

Sprite Backup, cab file, backup errors
yes, I'm using Ruppenthals rom and wantd a way to restore as I now have the device and programs liek I ant them. I found an old version of sprite-5.1.0. Guess it shipped with thte TYTN - found it on wiik. It backeu up but said there were erors. There were 4 files it said could not be included. Does this mean that if I choose to restore the os will be corrupted. They were wierd file names like eT9Rudb and eT9Cdb.cdb . Is there any way to get the version of Sprite that came with this device back? Is there anywhere to get a sopy of SPB backup?