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From Dale Coffing (mobilePASSION):
"I have been running Windows Mobile 5 as a development platform on a BlueAngel device (the MDA3) so it kind of spoiling me to not have some of the advanced features on the i730.
-Dale Coffing"
http://dalecoffing.typepad.com/my_weblog/2005/06/first_look_sams.html
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What these companies are doing is DIRTY.
They clearly have the potential to release the new OS for almost ALL modern pocket PCs, but since they don't see any profit in it, they will never release it.
I could accept this, IF they stopped dangling the OS on Blue Angels for all of us to see.
wm5
after you make us so hungry for this wm5 on ba could you help us to get it
why all the secret
What about a petition that we ARE even willing to pay for an BA WM5 upgrade?...
They can't charge enough for a WM2005 upgrade that would be better for them than forcing us to buy new phones.
They won't do it.
id be willing to pay 100 us dollars for an upgrade to each of my BA and Alpine..
So would I actually, but it doesn't compare to the $1000 dollars they will likely get from us all techno-nuts who very well may indeed upgrade.
im emaling him for the rom
He obviously won't give it out readily. Microsoft entrusted it to him. Anyone on their A-list would be stupid to do anything to break that trust.
im desperate
maybe someone can dump the rom without his knowledge using the sd card rom dumper... that wod be cool..and he wont be breaking any VOWS to microsoft either....
Maybe he could "accedentally" get hacked. :twisted:
Hope for the best, expect the worse
KTamas said:
What about a petition that we ARE even willing to pay for an BA WM5 upgrade?...
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I have an Ipaq 5550. The same happened with HP when wm2k3SE came out. Petitions, news coverage and all. HP prefered the short term view of selling more devices rather than cultivating customer loyalty.
That was my first and last Ipaq. I have Himalaya and BA now...
Just think of the risk/benefit ratio for MS...
We know that ASA official wm2k5 would be released for BA & Himalaya , it would be made largely available by third party means...
I'm not bringing "morality" issues in the plate here. I just say that business-wise, the effort to put that in place compared to the benefits is pretty low... Especially if you compare that to the benefits of a "no-release" scenario: you will ALWAYS end-up paying for the license when you feel BA/Himalaya and all the rest becomes obsolete and you will replace your HW. 3G is not so far away, is it? 3G + BT + 802.11A/G is not so far away either...
Nobody likes it. I don't like it. But in the end, that's the most likely.
As they say: hope for the best, expect the worse!
My 2 "unfortunate" cents,
Hal.
PS: That's why Buzz, toenailed, TheLastOne, XDAjojo, MDAIIIUser and all others efforts as so invaluable!!! Keep the good work: you know how much it is being appreciated by the rest of us.
zohaer21 said:
id be willing to pay 100 us dollars for an upgrade to each of my BA and Alpine..
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you are bonkers...........
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So would I actually.
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and so are you.......... i would never pay for WM2005, as good as it looks, if/when it comes out, ill just get it for free @ XDAdevelopers, lol
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how would you do that?? unless its released for BA and jam and xda2i ..you cant just make it work on other devices.. take example from the himalaya rom we have unless you have himalaya you cant use it..
thus.. if its never ever released for other htc models you can NEVER EVER get it for other devices... reason being a simple one.. different hardware,different memory allocation and management and different bootloaders etc..
if you dont believe me just try flashing your device with the win2k5 rom and end up with a very expensive paperweight ...
Honestly, I have no problem supporting and paying for proper service and upgrades. As well as the work Microsoft put into the development of the new OS, which from what I've heard, is a significant positive step.
I guess part of the reason that they aren't releasing it, even at cost, is exactly in response to people like you, joey jojo, who would just pirate it instead of paying. The way I figure it, alot of people with these expensive fancy devices know their way around technology, and a significant part will know how to get WM2005 for free, avoiding the costs.
Providing an OS upgrade for these devices at a cost would never work. These companies aren't exactly stupid.
I think it isn't meant to be released at all yet, really.
I think the "release" was to developers first, and soon enough you will see a hoarde of new devices, as well as a new ROM for ours.
Here's another proof, by the way:
http://blogs.technet.com/exchange/archive/2005/06/06/405993.aspx
The head of the MS Exchange team uses a Blue Angel...with Exchange SP2. To get full functionality, I guarantee he is running SP2.
They aren't using the BA as a development platform only to dump it. They are just waiting til key things (like Exchange SP2) come into place.
joey jojo said:
zohaer21 said:
id be willing to pay 100 us dollars for an upgrade to each of my BA and Alpine..
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you are bonkers...........
TheLastOne said:
So would I actually.
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and so are you.......... i would never pay for WM2005, as good as it looks, if/when it comes out, ill just get it for free @ XDAdevelopers, lol
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All of you crazy. WM5 is code for wiping virtual asses...
I promote sub_rosa25's post to the "post of the year" award.
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Right...I’ve been using xda-dev for a while and decided its about time I contribute something back....especially as its my uni holidays and I have nothing to do my software idea is basically something to tell you prices of near by fuel outlets. Unless something like this already exists (a quick search of fuel prices on the xda-dev of fuel prices shows nothing)
Firstly I have no previous programming experience but we all have to start somewhere right?
Secondly what would I use to write the program in?
Thirdly how difficult would such a project be?
Sorry if questions I ask don’t make sense, I am a total noob.
I'm a noob aswell, but from what I can see to be able to do this your going to have to have access to all the necessary fuel prices, which are going to be updated how and from where?
Unless you could get access to an existing sql database, i cant see it being practical, well not for a noob anyway.
Anyone Correct me if i'm wrong.
Hmm i guess its best to learn programming before you attempt to write a software. Visual Studio is probably the best one to write in, and i believe the phone uses .NET. (Which can open up more languages and its pretty damn easy to program in)
Too lazy to write a program myself for PPC, but i recommend Visual C++
Video Tutorials -For programming in windows mobile
http://www.cplusplus.com/ -Good place to learn stuff
As for the difficulty, it depends.
Getting the gas info is the easy part, (ie some gas websites have easy URLS such as www.gasblahblah.com/index.aspx&?area=ZIPCODE
then parsing the page is trivial.
As for the functionality, try looking on sourceforge for some sample coding you can use, such as a skeleton for a today plugin etc.
Its not gunna be easy but goodluck!
good luck
As hirst89 said, it will be difficult. First of all, you need to build an up to date database (go check mysql or sqlite on google which are truly wonderful database softwares). Then, about the program itself, you have to learn how to develop in .NET with visual studio and .NET framework 2.0 (license fees are awfully expensive for the whole solution but you could try light versions don't know if they are trustable go check http://msdn.microsoft.com/fr-fr/express/aa975050.aspx). After that, you'll need a good server with an average bandwith (depends on the country you live in, for france go check www.ovh.com).
Good luck, you'll need it!!!!
goorht
Yeh I think my post only touched on the difficulties of it. How would you go about collecting data from presumably the majority of fuel stations? Especially on a low budget, I presume from the fact that your a student.
And as for the programming, I wouldnt like to guess how much of an in depth knowledge you would need of .net for it to be basically functional.
Hope this all helps....but hope it doesnt squash your ideas and aspirations
Thank you for your quick responses...can you think of any more practical or easier to implement which I could start with?
well you could use c# which is use alot for software running on the windows mobile environment. there is Visual C# express version for free if you odnt want to shell out the money for visual studio.
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well you could use c# which is use alot for software running on the windows mobile environment. there is Visual C# express version for free if you odnt want to shell out the money for visual studio.
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i think i'll start with express and if i enjoy it and get some interest in wat i'm doing then give something else a try.
I'm really worried going into this...i have no idea wat to expect
*just waiting for Visual basic to download and install*
Humz said:
i think i'll start with express and if i enjoy it and get some interest in wat i'm doing then give something else a try.
I'm really worried going into this...i have no idea wat to expect
*just waiting for Visual basic to download and install*
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I had a brief look at creating my own software but my programming and coding knowledge doesn't stretch that far, I think I'll just stick with what im good at CSS, XHTML & Graphic Design
visual studio is easy, VS8 is free but it doesn't do much, if i'm not mistaken and i believe it was mentioned above that visual studio works in .NET but first you should try a couple easy things, try writing a small game like idk SKI FREE!!!! i haven't gotten around to it, but writing a game or other such is one of my projects for the summer while school is out. but that feul idea is fantastic, but windows live already tried it and it is extremely out of date. start small and work into the bigger stuff.
p.s. if you write ski free and get it to work on the phone let me know
Visual Studio Express doesn't allow you to develop mobile applications. Students from selected countries can grab a free copy of VS2008 Professional from here. Otherwise, the next best free solution would be the outdated eVC++ or eMbedded Visual Tools, which only support up to Pocket PC 2003 SDK. However, those apps will still work on WM5/WM6, etc. The main limitation is that the you don't have access to the APIs in the newer OS.
Humz said:
(a quick search of fuel prices on the xda-dev of fuel prices shows nothing)
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There are some programs that retrieve current and local gas prices. Windows Live Search is one.
I don't want to discourage you from writing your own, sounds like it would be good practice to start with. I wish I had the time to learn how to do it.
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There are some programs that retrieve current and local gas prices. Windows Live Search is one.
I don't want to discourage you from writing your own, sounds like it would be good practice to start with. I wish I had the time to learn how to do it.
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I was gonna mention that.
This is a wery good book to start whit. Introduction to Programming Using Visual Basic 2008.
I would like to start programming for my Fuze and I would love to share what I end up making. The problem is that all my research has led me to the following facts:
-I need Visual Studio 2005 Standard with Windows Mobile 6.1 SDK
-Visual Studio 2005 Standard costs money that I don't have (and no I'm not asking anyone for handouts)
Does anyone know of an IDE and SDK that I can use that will not empty my bank account? There just HAS to be one out there for people like me who just want to put something together without making money off it.
I would like to program in C++, but I suppose Java ME would be fine also.
I am continuing to search for myself as well, if I find anything I'll update the thread. As soon as I find out the best way to accomplish my goals I will write up a tutorial on the wiki.
Just a suggestion, if you attend/work at a university or know someone who does, educational versions of software are often much more affordable. And the software is usually the same as the retail copy, with an annotation somewhere "Education Edition" or similar.
Alas, my school days are far behind me... perhaps I should take my company up on their Master's program...
I know this is only my first post, but I patrol this board a lot. I might be able to get Visual Studio 2005 Standard for $20 since I work for the Government, and Microsoft has the Home Use Program. Let me check with my IT department and see what I can do. I will call them today and see what the code is.
Does the same apply to defense contractors? Also, I'm sending you a PM.
If you're willing to use a student or "home use program" license from someone else, why not just pirate it? It's not like you're in compliance either way.
I never said I would use someone else's home use program (in fact I told him in PM in clear language I would not use non legit copies). I just wanted to know how he goes about finding out if he can get a cheap copy so I could do the same through my company, a defense contracting company.
I never said I would use the student copy unless I was a student. If I started my master's, I would be a student. I won't be doing that most likely.
Please keep responses in this thread useful.
Jeez, I was merely addressing Da_G's suggestion. He's the only one who suggested it, and that was the topic of my post.
If I really wanted to be "useful", I would've told you to check with your IT department. Any type of business can have SA status and be eligible for said Home Use Program.
Everywhere you look is special applications designed for the iphone. Well...I personally don't have one and I think I should be allowed the same privilege to use said applications.
So what I'm wondering is how do applications run on the iphone? Is it a special kernel?
And if so, would it be possible to incorporate a sort of emulator of the iphone on our mobiles to run these iphone specific applications?
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I personally don't have one and I think I should be allowed the same privilege to use said applications.
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WTF? As you said, they're iphone apps, that are made to run on the iphone... If you want to run them, buy one. Or find equivalents for WM.
The iphone is a completely different hardware and software platform than a PocketPC.
kilrah said:
WTF? As you said, they're iphone apps, that are made to run on the iphone... If you want to run them, buy one. Or find equivalents for WM.
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Whoa, cool your jets and get over this WM/iPhone rivalry.
Check this out CatEye: http://microsoftwow.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!28962096F48747EA!212.entry
I don't know anything about other than seeing the web page. Let us know if you have some luck.
Thanks for the responces. I've seen the whole launcher before but that's not what I'm refering to.
When you go to a site (meebo or Facebook) they have iphone specfic applications. What makes it so those work on the iphone plateform?
I tried to get one of these applications but it tries to take me to the apple store and I don't have itunes so it stops me there.
lol....WM is wayyyy better than the iPhone! (well in my opinion).
XD but i wish WM had multi touch! Can't wait till WM7 or 8 come out! (rumours say that they will have software enabled multitouch!) :O
Don't think it's gonna happen...
AFAIK, there is nothing that will allow you to run iphone programs on wm, and there is probably about a snowball's chance in hell of that ever happening. Iphone is definitely a different kernel, in fact, it is an entirely different operating system, and to make matters worse, it's closed source too. I would just try to find the equivalent applications for windows mobile. For some reason, despite the fact that there are much more users of wm, many websites are obsessed with being supported by the iphone. It's a sad reality, but unfortunately, this is how it is.
Dave
Cat Eye said:
When you go to a site (meebo or Facebook) they have iphone specfic applications. What makes it so those work on the iphone plateform?
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Programmers develop a specific version of their website, or stand-alone programs especially for the iphone in addition to the "normal" product. They could do the same for WM - but now the hype is about the iphone, so that's where developers are investing.
That's 100% marketing and fashion. Apple have managed to create such a hype over their iphone that it has simultaneously pushed developers to develop content specifically for it as they would be assured to reach a large audience with it, and people to get one so they could gain access to the said content and goodies - and it worked way too well. The Iphone is the current trend and everybody must make something for it to be "in the move", while people must have one to be in the move (most of the people I know who have bought iphones did it because it's the current "must-have" item, not because of it's capabilities, and they don't use them...)
WM has been around for more than a decade more or less "unnoticed", so there's not the same incentive for people to make stuff for it.
The Iphone triggered a huge workforce, so many people developing stuff for it in such a short time, that maybe in a few months there have been as many programs developed for it than for WM in the last 10 years... and the appstore gathers them all in one easy to search place as opposed of the large scatter of WM stuff everywhere... makes it so easy that it's attractive.
So in summary - it made such a hype that everybody in the general public is gathering around that thing and forgetting the rest.
kilrah said:
WTF? As you said, they're iphone apps, that are made to run on the iphone... If you want to run them, buy one. Or find equivalents for WM.
The iphone is a completely different hardware and software platform than a PocketPC.
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I second this motion!
What I'm aiming for is sort of a cross-platform. Like how Linux can be run with Windows now. Trying to knock down some of the propiatory software apple has been getting developed. If they can't keep thier software specific to the iphone, then what would be the reason to get one? Something that can play music and go online?
Just something to throw out there.
I think part of the problem is all you need is a mac and you can start coding an application, there's nothing else to buy. On the WM side, while you can download the SDK for free, you have to spend another chunk of money to buy visual studio, which sorry to say, does require a bit of knowledge to code with.
I have a mac, and had an iphone for a little while, and was able to design an application fairly easily.
If MS would create development tools easier to use and free/cheap, I think we would see more applications. The other tough part is, the windows mobile phones out there are more varied. Different form factors, keyboards, touch screens, resolutions, gps, and now accelerometers. At the moment there are 2 different iphones, but they run the same version, same resolution, same hardware buttons, the other differences are already exposed in the SDK so if you want to code and app that uses the 3G connection or GPS it's pretty easy to do so.
If any WM dev guys have some good ideas on free coding let's get going.
iphones run macosx like macs thats a gui on top of a bsd unix based kernel
iphone apps are written in objectC and use cocoa which is a bit like .net
any cpu can emulate any other if it have access to enough memory
mind you it will not be in realtime but much much slower
not to mention that it could take man years to develop the emulator
and prob give a lawsuit or 2 from apple
Rudegar said:
not to mention that it could take man years to develop the emulator
and prob give a lawsuit or 2 from apple
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Funny how Apple came out with Bootcamp within seconds of announcing they were switching to Intel processors , but let one person come up with an OSX emulator and the lawsuits fly.
P. S. The Kaiser is pushing two years old, it is still amazing to me that we are still having these " how do I make my Kaiser look and act like an iPhone. " discussions
P.P.S. What are you when you reach 10,000 posts ? A Super Senior Member ?
Given a Gold Watch and put out to pasture ?
I know , your wife serves you with divorce papers and names That #@$*ing phone as the reason.
I am looking for a web development project to refine my skills. I'm short on ideas after completing the surprisingly unpopular yet unbelievably useful Trly.gd.
I will work only on anything useful to many people that can at the very least earn 15$ a year for the domain name. No need to monetize it, as long as it doesn't cost me (because I already pay ~200$/year for servers and domains).
Tell me, XDA-Developers, what would you like to see on the web? Let your imagination go wild!
All New Rom with Change log and screenshots..
All working application and games with sceenshot
I like http://trly.gd its just im in the habbit of typing in www.google.com. Marketing is the problem your having, people can be very lazy and sometimes need to be forced or otherwise motivated into using somthing until it becomes a habit.
Maybe you can make a win mo and/or android app for it, and continue to market it as an advanced search device. Let it be skinable, and invite people to upload their skins to share.
then you could even cook it into a rom.
Help people asking for stuff by directing them to trly.gd and the search results it produces. Remember Rome wasnt built in a day, and before Google was king there were yahoo and altavista who were usurped.
If you like i can also advertise it in my sig, prob wont help that much but at least its something.
anyway sorry if this sounds patronising but I do wish you the best of luck
regards
Chris
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I like http://trly.gd its just im in the habbit of typing in www.google.com. Marketing is the problem your having, people can be very lazy and sometimes need to be forced or otherwise motivated into using somthing until it becomes a habit.
Maybe you can make a win mo and/or android app for it, and continue to market it as an advanced search device. Let it be skinable, and invite people to upload their skins to share.
then you could even cook it into a rom.
Help people asking for stuff by directing them to trly.gd and the search results it produces. Remember Rome wasnt built in a day, and before Google was king there were yahoo and altavista who were usurped.
If you like i can also advertise it in my sig, prob wont help that much but at least its something.
anyway sorry if this sounds patronising but I do wish you the best of luck
regards
Chris
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I know, marketing just isn't there, and I have a lot of stuff to do. It's still a fun project to learn web development.
I'm not in the WinMo scene anymore and I'm about to drop Android too (hardware sucks ATM), but I could make a lil' something for Windows Mobile users around. You know, Trly.gd has a mobile format