I am totally sick of this crap. Microsoft should stick to PC's and stay out of pocket pc's as they can't develop one O/S that is stable.
Just when I thought I had a stable ROM, the thing displays all sorts of unwanted effects including:
1. Occasional Hard resetting of PPC (but not actually formatting the device; no...it installs duplicate programs and settings instead!!)
2. Soft Keys have a mind of their own (sometimes they appear as I defined their use, other times they appear according to its own desires!)
3. On occasion wifi doesn't work, but mostly it works perfectly.
4. Sometimes messaging application does not initiate (neither through soft keys activation or direct access through Programs)
I have a list that I cannot be bothered to type out, suffice to say I have a degree in Computing & Information systems (no big deal I know!) and over ten years experience in building, maintaining and upgrading PC's not to mention several years experience of owning Palm o/s, Symbian o/s and Win CE pocket pc's.
My opinion is valid!! I don't care what anyone else says to the contrary. Windows mobile 5 and it's predecessors are a load of crap and are robbing us of our hard earned cash!! And I've spent a fortune on them all!!
I am by no means an expert, but I am no fool and more than capable of learning, hence I've tried to no avail with these devices.
Just when you think your device is running near perfect (within reason), new issues pop up!
NEWBIES...PAY ATTENTION!!!
Get out of this while you can and stop throwing away money and your most precious commodity....your TIME!!!
My last o/s phone (smartphone) was a SonyEriccson P910i. That was quite good with minimal crashes or lock-ups. I moved back to Windows based mobile phones because of more CPU power and compatibility.
MAIN GRIPES:
I miss calls....due to maintenance (upgrading ROM or soft resets or hard resets or lock-ups)
I miss text and MMS messages.....due to maintenance
I miss appointments due non-induced hard resets (only twice mind you)
I miss knowing that I can be reached or can make a call at any given moment!!
I'm not one of those people who needs a phone predominantly and a PDA secondly. I just need reliability.
I've swapped..yes swapped my Jasjar for the MDA Vario for the same reasons that I'm complaining about WM5 & HTC. The Wizard is just as unstable!!
Don't misunderstand me...when these devices are working, they are wonderful and I would prefer no other phone/PPC in the world, but reliability is of paramount importance, surely!!
Well...I'm done with this 'got to be a developer to use my phone' syndrome. I'm going back to SonyE. or someone else who know how to make devices with at least 90% reliability!! I wasn't expecting perfection from Man, merely my moneys worth!!
This is the bottom line:
I want a convergence device that I spend more time deriving its benefits than I do researching how to improve its instability and unreliability!!
And before anyone says it:
HTC are full of it just like Microsoft, as they were undoubtedly aware of this WM5 bug-ridden o/s before desinging hardware for it!
:evil: :evil: :evil:
Update: 27/2/06:
See my most recent posts. I was wrong and apologise for misleading you guys without having properly identified the cause of my device problems (very dangerous I know). The problem was definately buggy ROMs and this has now been fully rectified via Qteks 1.6.7.1 ROM.
Give it up!!!
If you check all my posts you will find that I am still appreciative of all the hard work that a lot of you gurus have made, but that does not excuse HTC & Microsoft for continually releasing products before they have been tested and twaeked to perfection.
This is not a game!! Some of us actually rely on these devices to help earn a living and or organise our lives!!
I now find myself reverting back to doing everything on a regular PC, standard phone and pen & Paper!!
HTC devices have become a joke to me!
Additionally; my wife is on her 4th..yes 4th brand new MDA Pro!!! Different issues with all of them.
That tells you something doesn't it? :?
I am reviewing my options:
http://www.bengalboy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=316&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=0
Hmm.. I'm using MDA Compact 2, doesn't seems to have your problems.. the only problem I have is a dead loud speaker.
Anyway, you may want to try out Treo that runs Palm.
consumer electronics
Hi,
i just moved away from a palm treo 600: bad telephone reception and literally crappy headphone connector (it screwed up the telephone with a bug well known on internet, i had to use my solder to repair it...).
And now i am an happy user of an QTEK9100. Not perfect, but very near...except for the alarm!!! sometimes missed. no resets, SUPER voice command, 264 MHz and ROM 2.8....you get me.
I think there is a general problem in consumer electronic: support for example. Once you give the money for a buy, bye bye....
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mackaby007 said:
NEWBIES...PAY ATTENTION!!!
Get out of this while you can and stop throwing away money and your most precious commodity....your TIME!!!
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i'm not a total noob. the cingular htc wizard is my first ppc/phone though. i do have a htc faraday/wm5 and htc typhoon/sp'03 but they are simple smartphones.
i must say that you have scared me a bit.
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lpasq said:
mackaby007 said:
NEWBIES...PAY ATTENTION!!!
Get out of this while you can and stop throwing away money and your most precious commodity....your TIME!!!
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i'm not a total noob. the cingular htc wizard is my first ppc/phone though. i do have a htc faraday/wm5 and htc typhoon/sp'03 but they are simple smartphones.
i must say that you have scared me a bit.
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Sorry Ipasq.
Maybe my bad experience is clouding my judgement somewhat. All I'm saying is that if you find yourself tweaking and upgrading more than you use the device, ....somethings wrong and you should consider what you set out for when you bought it. if your experience is a good one with minor setbacks (which your happy to live with) then ignore my experiences.
I'm currently re-testing/evaluating my Device with just the minimum of software installed, that I cannot do without, maybe that will highlight problems with a specific application (but I doubt it!) To try and remain fair to the rest of HTC product owners, I will post my findings if they are positive and I will humbly retract my complaints but if they proove to remain negative, I'll keep it to myself so as to not deter anyone from indulging in WM5 PPC/phone!
Good luck either way. :wink:
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mackaby007 said:
If you check all my posts you will find that I am still appreciative of all the hard work that a lot of you gurus have made, but that does not excuse HTC & Microsoft for continually releasing products before they have been tested and twaeked to perfection.
This is not a game!! Some of us actually rely on these devices to help earn a living and or organise our lives!!
I now find myself reverting back to doing everything on a regular PC, standard phone and pen & Paper!!
HTC devices have become a joke to me!
Additionally; my wife is on her 4th..yes 4th brand new MDA Pro!!! Different issues with all of them.
That tells you something doesn't it? :?
I am reviewing my options:
http://www.bengalboy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=316&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=0
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Hi,
I think you have got a very bad experience there. I've been using smartphones from motorola MPX200 to Sony Ericsson's P800, Motorola's E680, O2's Blue Angel and now Dopod 838. Let me tell you, I must admit that WM2003 was quite buggy, however, the new WM2005 is real neat. I wouldn't say Microsoft has done a bad job, cos I've used worse device. P800 running on symbian was really a horror. I've promised not to ever use a symbian phone again after my bad experience with P800. (am I sterotyping then?)
As far as I am concern, WM2005 runs almost perfectly, if not flawless. and I've not experienced what you have been through. So, lets not come to a conclusion just based on your bad experience, okie?
(Kinda makes me wonder if u work for Sony, the way you put things? ) No offence plz, just my 3 cents worth. ~.~!
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mackaby007 said:
If you check all my posts you will find that I am still appreciative of all the hard work that a lot of you gurus have made, but that does not excuse HTC & Microsoft for continually releasing products before they have been tested and twaeked to perfection.
This is not a game!! Some of us actually rely on these devices to help earn a living and or organise our lives!!
I now find myself reverting back to doing everything on a regular PC, standard phone and pen & Paper!!
HTC devices have become a joke to me!
Additionally; my wife is on her 4th..yes 4th brand new MDA Pro!!! Different issues with all of them.
That tells you something doesn't it? :?
I am reviewing my options:
http://www.bengalboy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=316&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=0
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Hmn ok thanks for the heads up in advanced. However, I don't see how converged devices will improve if SE's the only one doing it somewhat correctly.
Sure, MS and HTC probably both suck in someway, but I don't get why you had to get 4 of the same devices to figure that out. I mean like, most people won't even go past changing the same device for the 3rd time.
While I'm sure your information is valid in someway, it's kinda obvious to me that not everyone is suited to use a pda phone, or pda for that matter.
If you have that experience as a developer, you should know that new stuff that MS comes up with usually comes with a truckload of problems, in my opinion, you should have stuck with a laptop or maybe some blackberry option, or even pen/paper.
In the first place, I highly doubt that the pda phone was designed to totally do away with the traditional pen/paper combo anyway.
In the first place, I highly doubt that the pda phone was designed to totally do away with the traditional pen/paper combo anyway.
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I'll agree with this line. There isn't really an OS that can run efficiently. If you want a phone to function as a full pledged PC, it won't happen. There are a lot of things we need to sacrifice. I would suggest the Nokia 9500 as the perfect business phone for you.
To me all phones are great...
great paper weight.
what a lot of people tend to do is as soon as they get a device they automatically think they should start tweaking and updateing things.....what some people dont' understand is that every tweak and every upgrade will be different for others....people need to try out thier devices for a few days, maybe weeks depended on how often you use the devices features, and see if your device really needs the tweaks or not....that's what i do, i use my device then as soon as i see that something can be changed or needs to be tweaked i'll see if there is one out there, i do it one at a time try it out for a while then move on to the next, so that way you'll know if that tweak is really stable or not, don't do all the tweaks at one time......for some people the device is perfect right out the box.....just something to think about....
i understand your frustration ... i myself having a plethora of smartphones / pda phones ... i personally happy with my xda exec ... why? because anybody who goes into this realm of pda phones should understand that the HTC products are always been PDAs first and Phones second ... with this premise, upgrading the ROM regularly is part of the whole experience... I also have all SE p800, p900, p910 which are all great Phones then having the great PDA functionality ... while the p900 and p910 have minimal differences, they are very good phones first and then very good PDAs to boot ... but you see even the more stable SE P series phones need to restarted and have their own version of hard reset (though not as frequent as their Windows counterparts)
ps i'm not even going to those Palm Treo 600 / 650 devices which are nothing but a last ditch effort of palm to try to get into the wireless phone realm ... they are just not as good as their windows / symbian counterparts ... and why get blackberries if you can get blackberry connect on your windows mobile / nokia / sony ericsson p9xx phones?
Hi All!
Thank you very much for your candid replies. I appreciate that everyones experience will either vary somewhat or be totally different. However, I firmly believe 'If it ain't broke...don't fix it'!
I have only ever upgraded because of issues with these devices and only ever applied tweaks, because improvement was MUCH needed!
I hear you all the same though, if your not up for fight stay out of the arena. Sorry all, but I'm not a defeatest. I'm not giving up, merely venting my frustrations for becoming a free-tester for Microsoft and HTC.
It wouldn't be so bad if they offered us a 50% discount on purchasing these devices as we are the ones getting to the root of their buggy devices whilst they charge us for it and then charge us again (in FULL) when they implement our improvements into their next versions of Windows Mobile devices.
Just my opinion, but I'm sticking to it. :wink:
Old T-mobile Rom:
Rom Version: 1.3.2.2 ENU
Rom Date: 9/29/05
Radio version: 01.04.10
Protocol version: 4.0.13.17
ExtRom: 1.3.2.102
Updated T-Mobile ROM:
Rom Version: 1.6.2.4 WWE
Rom Date: 11/15/05
Radio version: 01.12.10
Protocol version: 4.0.13.23
ExtRom: 1.6.2.105
Current ROM:
Custom ROM: O2 ROM
Rom Version: 1.5.4.2 WWE
Rom Date: 11/8/05
Radio version: 01.12.10
Protocol version: 4.0.13.23
ExtRom: Removed by default (xtra 10 megs in extended ROM through total Commander)
They ALL suck (sooner or later).
HTC UNIVERSAL
Stay well clear of the XDA EXEC!
I am on number seven of the XDA Exec and finaly given up
so many faults.......
CASE MARKS>>>£600 phone and the keyboard hits the screen and rubs the letters off the keyboard AND MAKE SHINEY MARKS ON THE FACE OF THE PHONE...dont HTC test these before they sell them? EMAILED HTC ABOUT THIS ISSUE...THEY NEVER REPLIED...
SPEED.....THE FASTEST PROCESSOR AND ITS SLOWER THAN MY XDA2???
HANGS UP DURING CALLS BY ITSELF........JUST ABOUT THREW IT OUT MY CAR WINDOW....PEOPLE THINK YOUR TAKING THE PISS WITH THEM CAUSE IT HANGS UP SO OFTEN
ALARM PROGRAM IS A JOKE......SLEPT IN SO MANY TIMES CAUSE OF THIS PILE OF SH..I.T
SCREEN RES IS LOVELY BUT THE GLASS IS TOO THIN!! SO WHEN YOU WRITE ON IT THE LCD PANEL DISTORTS....ERR DOH! :evil:
Going to get it swapped, may go back to the XDA 2i or maybe the mini s but the CPU speed on that may be an issue for me :shock:
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kevin666 said:
Stay well clear of the XDA EXEC!
I am on number seven of the XDA Exec and finaly given up
so many faults.......
CASE MARKS>>>£600 phone and the keyboard hits the screen and rubs the letters off the keyboard AND MAKE SHINEY MARKS ON THE FACE OF THE PHONE...dont HTC test these before they sell them? EMAILED HTC ABOUT THIS ISSUE...THEY NEVER REPLIED...
SPEED.....THE FASTEST PROCESSOR AND ITS SLOWER THAN MY XDA2???
HANGS UP DURING CALLS BY ITSELF........JUST ABOUT THREW IT OUT MY CAR WINDOW....PEOPLE THINK YOUR TAKING THE PISS WITH THEM CAUSE IT HANGS UP SO OFTEN
ALARM PROGRAM IS A JOKE......SLEPT IN SO MANY TIMES CAUSE OF THIS PILE OF SH..I.T
SCREEN RES IS LOVELY BUT THE GLASS IS TOO THIN!! SO WHEN YOU WRITE ON IT THE LCD PANEL DISTORTS....ERR DOH! :evil:
Going to get it swapped, may go back to the XDA 2i or maybe the mini s but the CPU speed on that may be an issue for me :shock:
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We must be the only two dissatisfied customers left browsing these forums! :lol:
I'd advise you to go back to what works for you, cause the mini s is no better in my 'humble' opinion! :wink:
Let's hope I'm wrong!!
Just installed/updated to Qtek ROM 1.6.7.1
Will evaluate for a few days and post my experiences. Hope this prooves me wrong!!
mackaby007
Qtek ROM:
Rom Version: 1.6.7.1 WWE
Rom Date: 11/28/05
Radio version: 01.13.10
Protocol version: 4.0.13.24
ExtRom: 1.6.7.101
Why do you say the mini s is no better?
Qtek ROM stable!!??!! Maybe!!
kevin666 said:
Why do you say the mini s is no better?
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Well it would certainly SEEM that way until now. As I mentioned in my previous posts, I've had a Jasjar which with an updated i-mate ROM, was stable but in my opinion, underperformed (everyone says it's due to the way WM5 works - bug ridden I say). I then swapped my jasjar (at a loss of course) for a T-mobile vario (Wizard) or o2 mini s etc.
My experience is that, while no bugs are visible, these devices seem like the best thing since sliced bread, but when you've had them up and running a while, the worms come out of the woodwork.
All said and done though....I updated/changed my ROM last night to Qteks 1.6.7.1 ROM and till now (about 20 hours later), not one crash, no loss of calls or uninitiated soft or hard resets! Aditionally, it SEEMS to be stable and reliable (with all my 3rd party software installed and with TI OMAP overclocking or not!).
Verdict?
Too soon to say. But I'm actually feeling rather optimistic if not just hopeful. I'm hoping that I've been wrong and that all my past experiences have been due too buggy ROMs and not WM5 & HTC. We'll see.
Another point of interest is that since I updated/changed my wifes T-mobiles MDA PRO to Qteks latest ROM, there have only been 2 lock-ups (we can live with that) and she's had that ROM for 9 days!
So it's looking like most of the instability issues we've had thus far are due to buggy ROMs.
Therefore I already feel it necessary to apologise for my negative comments and hope that anyone who has read this thread has taken the time to keep track of how things develop.
Kevin if you're interested in the mini s, don't be put of by my experiences, as there are many other factors that could have contributed to my experiences. Go for it, but be prepared for some headaches (just in case!).
Hope this helps (sorry bout the long post) :lol:
mackaby007
Qtek ROM:
Rom Version: 1.6.7.1 WWE
Rom Date: 11/28/05
Radio version: 01.13.10
Protocol version: 4.0.13.24
ExtRom: 1.6.7.101
I'm Wrong!!
I'm extremely happy to say, that I must be wrong, as I've not had one crash since Fridays upgrade to Qteks 1.6.7.1 ROM.
So far I can complain about absolutely nothing, as I have even exceeded my normal usage of these devices to try and hasten a crash, but to no avail.
Long live Qteks ROM!!
apologies again for this whole thread, slating HTC and co.
I tend to agree with the OP. WM5 devices (or ppc and predecessors) and smartphones do a lot, but they tend to be a pain in the ass and finicky.
One simple example, when a WM device loses a GPRS connection, frequently you'll have to cycle the radio to get a usable connection again. Every time? No, but often enough, where you don't trust it. Compare this to a blackberry. With a bb, the connection is rock solid and robust. No, you don't get nearly as many features on a bb, but you can absolutely count on being able to receive a call and being able to obtain a data connection, period.
I currently use a smt5600, a wizard, and a 7290. When I'm traveling and I need to be sure that I'm communicating, I take the 7290.
I liken the comparison of WM to BB OSs to a comparison of firearms . The WM device to a Colt pistol: beatiful, but not as reliable as my spartan Glock. The blackberry is 100% Glock. MS needs to work on transitioning away from the finicky Colt towards a more reliable AND feature rich device...something Sig Sauerish, if you will.
I agree that these newer devices are bug ridden and do not function as advertised. My original Pocket PC Phone Edition was more useful than my Wizard is. If I hadn't broke it, I would not have bought a new one.
That said I, too, first bought a different device, the PDA2K. It just worked. No problems at all. Send/receive faxes, instant messaging, email, internet, great phone signal, bluetooth handsfree...but the keyboard! I just couldn't get used to it. Why did I trade in and buy the Wizard? I was stooooopid! I wanted the keyboard and EDGE. But, mostly, the keyboard. When I first saw the photos of it, I fell in love. It was, I thought, perfect! So I called up the dealer and he agreed to send me a KJAM for $350.00 and my PDA2K.
Now, here's just how stupid I was...I didn't even read the specs thoroughly enough to know that the Wizard was smaller. When I rec'd it, I was shocked! I liked the bigger size screen. A lot. Doh! What an idiot.
But, hey, that has nothing to do with the fact that the Wizard is not fully functional as delivered. That it's slooooow. That the speakerphone is a useless piece of advertisement for HTC/Imate. That the sound quality is crap, at best. That the phone doesn't have the ability to power up to a signal that's only slightly weak. That the dual core proc. is divided to be used separately by the phone and pc. That sometimes it needs to be rebooted just to get a signal, or for the bluetooth to work, or because the screen is pixelated. That you need to buy a 3rd party app. just to back it up. That A/S 4.x is also junk.
Why, oh why, didn't they just make a PDA2K with a Wizard keyboard? LOL
HTC/iMate, you got my last dollar, hope you spent it wisely.
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I'm just curious with all the WM5 buzz and such. Besides seeing "windows mobile 5" are there really any significant differences from WM2003se? Other than lack of software for WM5.
I've done massive amounts of flashing from video cards to motherboards so that's no problem, I'm not here to be a lazy bum and mooch software.
I will say that my 4 of my buddies work with MS mobile department here in STL, MO. They all live by wm2003se, and state WM5 won't be worth touching until next year. (Even for WM5 based phones unlike these)
My other question is for all the flash gods on this site. Out of all the current WM5 roms available here, what would you choose if :
Rarely use bluetooth
Play games
Watch video playback
basic phone services
no camera
no radio
I've 3 of these and would like to compare a couple side by side to see the benchmarks with these user-created roms vs 2003se
atom069 said:
I'm just curious with all the WM5 buzz and such. Besides seeing "windows mobile 5" are there really any significant differences from WM2003se? Other than lack of software for WM5.
I've done massive amounts of flashing from video cards to motherboards so that's no problem, I'm not here to be a lazy bum and mooch software.
I will say that my 4 of my buddies work with MS mobile department here in STL, MO. They all live by wm2003se, and state WM5 won't be worth touching until next year. (Even for WM5 based phones unlike these)
My other question is for all the flash gods on this site. Out of all the current WM5 roms available here, what would you choose if :
Rarely use bluetooth
Play games
Watch video playback
basic phone services
no camera
no radio
I've 3 of these and only use them for that Unfortunately hah.. :roll:
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Of couse your buddirs live with 2003 because there are no wm5 for BA , we had here base on text rom by HTC which came from last year and a lot of people in here to made it work like Universal or Wizard,you can ask your buddies maybe they dont had wm5 rom for BA. :wink: :wink:
I dont think anyone in MS or HTC will make wm5 rom for BA , if you had buddies why you not ask them about AKU3.0 rom for Universal and Wizard ?
haha do what
We're very Close friends of 14yrs fortunately. We have no loyalty to your boy Billy Gates, Sorry dude hah. I'm sure they are not just trying to get me to buy WM5 products haha
I just like to see forums and the modifed MS WM5 stacks (tisk tisk ) and actually benchmark/test to see who knows what, or who's just throwing something out
As for the other modifed roms you're speaking of, Sell and upgrade to faster model
a QVGA to VGA is like going from radio wave cable to high-definition formatting.
Yo
I will say that MS would be lucky to have any of these developers working for them, cheers to you all!
@mwang, if they are working in the dev department i see no reason why they couldn't be making thier statement based on other wm5 devices, or even have these roms theirselves. Anyway, right now i would go with either ivan's or helmi's. If you try antyhing else you will see why.
I'd totally agree with the above...
Ivan's (or thingonasprings version with the RAMdisk) for speed and basic stability
helmi_c's as it has the new AKU2.3 base with Push Mail etc (but still in dev stage so not 'meant' to be as stable, although I've had no issues as yet!)
I've also found TuMa 1.4 very good, but mainly as I use the BT functionality quite a bit which hasn't ben sorted on the newer ROM's yet.
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@mwang, if they are working in the dev department i see no reason why they couldn't be making thier statement based on other wm5 devices, or even have these roms theirselves. Anyway, right now i would go with either ivan's or helmi's. If you try antyhing else you will see why.
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remember the BA already disconnetion from HTC that's why they dont want to make BA for WM5 , bepe and me working with AKU3 for BA , bepe already made text rom for Himayala he post today,I will try anything I can to make life easy
I am getting my Tilt in the mail on monday, and am wondering what everybody wishes they had known to (or not to) do when they first unboxed it and did the initial boot.
Should I skip the AT&T bloatware, or is it really not that horrible to deal with? Should I play with settings and the tweaks, or should I just not waste my time and flash the thing? Should I do a rain dance before putting the battery in, in hopes it will hold off the red led?
Oh, and I am coming from a wizard that I have flashed no less than a dozen times, and have gone through every UI i can find (legally or not). And am VERY impressed with the latest pointui release, which may or may not find it's way onto the tilt the day I open it.
Thanks!!
If your comming from a wizzard then you are bound to find out that your wizzard was faster. the Kaiser is slow in different areas and lacks Video Drivers.
From the Kaiser I've learned what COULD be accomplished with a PPC, and how fast it could be, but it isnt quite there yet...
cbass said:
I am getting my Tilt in the mail on monday, and am wondering what everybody wishes they had known to (or not to) do when they first unboxed it and did the initial boot.
Should I skip the AT&T bloatware, or is it really not that horrible to deal with? Should I play with settings and the tweaks, or should I just not waste my time and flash the thing? Should I do a rain dance before putting the battery in, in hopes it will hold off the red led?
Oh, and I am coming from a wizard that I have flashed no less than a dozen times, and have gone through every UI i can find (legally or not). And am VERY impressed with the latest pointui release, which may or may not find it's way onto the tilt the day I open it.
Thanks!!
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1. Expect problems when purchase of an HTC product.
2. Expect that not all features advertised will be 'used' by HTC.
3. Expect HTC denial (gov't style)
4. Expect HTC to turn away mumbling "yea, we got yo money sucka"
5. Expect your complaints to HTC to be met with contempt and insults, along with instructions on how to shop for a device. (remember, you have all the rights of the average citizen of China when purchasing from that nation regardless of your normal custom of shopping in your respective homeland.)
6. Expect HTC to offer advertised feature to be implemented on future product.
7. Expect EOL on HTC product to be 1YR after purchase of 2YR carrier contract.
8. Expect that HTC can get away with what Palm could not.
9. Expect shooting pain in 'bung hole'.
10. if carrier_contract=completed goto 1.
nuff said...
Never buy HTC!
My Tilt still treats me fine..... Yes, drivers would be nice but for everyday use, I couldn't have gone wrong. Waiting to see what the official WM6.1 will hold.
You are gonna have fun!
I personally would leave it alone for 30 days so you can get a base line.
Bill
iPhone will be my next phone if the next HTC product isn't better.
your gonna love it
I just got my tilt last week cuz I got drunk and lost my wizzard.
first let me say your going to love the tilt
no more of that A-GPS crap now you've got real gps
also 3G which is so so so much faster
oh and there is this panarma feature that is realy neat
somethings I wish I know and imo are notwqorthy
the keyboard FN keys are totalls different but that's just getting usto
commercial eing from thw wizard I bet your usto scrolling with scroll bars well in the titlt u can grab and scroll tuff to explain but think of it like moveing a physical peicse of paper in front of you up and down
I would kep the att rom for atleast a week cuz u get some nifty applications like mobi tv xm ssatileite radio trail for 3 days each
lastly gogle maps atleast for me sucks gmaps like forgets I have a gps after like 1 or 2 minutes I hate to say it but M$ live is far superior the gps part is acurete and updates very nicely
ps
don't forget to run the quick gps location under tools before using the gps
quick gps downloads where the satellites are in orbit for faster aqusition time
I belive if u don't do this the gps has to search and find em but doing this it knows and just has to connect
my 2 cents on the tilt hope you found this helpful
mikeeey said:
If your comming from a wizzard then you are bound to find out that your wizzard was faster. the Kaiser is slow in different areas and lacks Video Drivers.
From the Kaiser I've learned what COULD be accomplished with a PPC, and how fast it could be, but it isnt quite there yet...
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Pure bollocks.
I've had a Wizard, Hermes, and just got a tilt a week ago.
I can personally say the tilt/kaiser is WAY faster than the Hermes, which was way faster than the Wizard.
Dutty's wm6.1 non-cube rom is great. No hard resets. In fact it hasn't locked up on me once.
What did I learn about my Tilt
I've learned several things about the Tilt in general:
Considering I've come from a MIO P550 GPS/PDA and an ATT Razor v3m, the Kaiser is a suprisingly good compromise between the two.
The GPS is far more accurate (though I have yet to find an affordable and decent map solution) than the P550;
not as good on picking up a usable signal as the V3 (but not bad either).
Battery life is a little better than the MIO P550 PDA.
Screen's smaller but plays video a hell of a lot better than either the V3 or the P550.
Definitely lose the AT&T bloat ware...most of the non subscription stuff you can get to from Media Net anyway. Besides I don't use half of it anyway.
I used SPB Pocket Plus on the PDA, it works just fine here too.
Bluetooth...the bane of the Tilt's existence. Call audio sucks and Voice command doesn't work over the headset (yeah I know there's hacks out there). I'm hoping if and when the official WM 6.1 for ATT comes out this will resolve.
RLOD - So far I've been blessed, but the thing is still under warranty so chances are it'll happen one minute after that warranty expires...(Murphy's law doncha know...)I know where to go to fix that little mess and possible problems.
Overall, I'd say I'm satisfied with the Kaiser/TyTnII/Tilt, it does exactly what I want it to, when I need it to. Like many products I've experienced, it has its quirks, but it also has its charm too. I'm half tempted to flash to Dutty's WM 6.1 for ATT, but I think I'll just wait (for a very long time from what I hear) for the official HTC release.
I <3 my tilt all day long! So yeah, I can type out a whole sentence before the first letter is displayed, that doesn't mean my tilt doesn't <3 me back. Or does it?
On a serious note, I think the tilt is great and yes there could be video drivers, but that was so 2007, I have learned to love it even with its flaws.
GPS owns!
Among the first things I would do:
Find the Bluetooth audio quality and microphone hacks.
Get rid of Cyberon, and get MS Voice Command 1.6.
Find the PTT Button Remap hack, and map MSVC to it.
Find the hack for One-Button activation of MSVC from BT headset.
This has made all the difference for my use in the car, the office, and on the jobsite; I don't have to touch the phone to use it, which is as it should be!
First off: change your rom. much faster, more usable.
what did i learn?
well tilt was my first pda and first phone with a physical keyboard.
i learned:
_xda community is a great place
_3G is not all its cracked up to be. At all.
_physical keyboard is not at all more accurate than my ipod's touch keyboard. No lie.
_if I have wifi, im def gonna be browsing with my ipod touch. faster, better, and much easier.
_i would buy another htc product, but not until they get their sht straight. hopefully soon.
_Dutty is a your friend
_touchscreen is not touchscreen if it doesnt have multitouch (unless you use your stylus, but who has time for that?)
Wish i had know of the driver issue b4 getting and 18 month contract 6 down 12 to go ....
I wish my hermes would have lasted longer..... damn white screen!!
What have you learned from your Kaiser?
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That I need eye surgery to read the damn thing! Seriously, although these (older) eyes are getting worse by the day, I am very happy with mine.
That they don't like being dipped in Castrol Synthetic 10w/40.
What I have Learned:
Tilt NEEDS to be tweeked out from unboxing to become user friendly. (IMO)
Reading on this site (Wiki and ROM threads) helps you tweek your phone how you would like it. Radio's work differently for different people in different areas.
Every ROM is different and can be custom fit to your prefrence by searching or asking questions in the CORRECT thread.
There are many helpful people on this site so watch the way to respond to people and their answers. Always say thanks!!!
You can accomplish anything with this site (I have been on here since Oct. 07' and I have never started a thread!) I just have common sense to know where to post
Have a great day!
~22~
p.s. P1 but the Castrol Synthetic 10w/40 helped the keyboard right....lol!
What did I learn?
Not to buy a HTC anymore. It promises a lot and delivers less.
Although I am not unhappy with this device it never gave me what I expected after reading several reviews. It is slow, heavy, bad camera, etc.
I had hoped that HTC would be a bit more customer focused.
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TyTN II.. Is great!
-GPS
-Keyboard
-Tilting screen :O..
-Video Drivers (o.o?.. ok no no Video drivers).
-400 Mhz!!..
-2 cameras
-Poor performance of principal camera on dark places.
-Fully Customizable : D!
-3G.. (here in mexico that means: "videocalls Dude!!")
-HSDPA (Unlimited data plan and you get Fast Broadband Internet Connection On The Go! .. use it with your laptop )
-A2DP !!
-WiFi..(when you dont have Unlimited data plan !)
-I said Tilting screen already? :O
-MicroSDHC.. (that means 32gb of Memory.. or Multiple memory cards ..)
-Office
-MMS
-SMS
-Push to Mail
-PTT
-Voice Commander!! (its funny ear your phone read your sms's!)
-And more more more...
The only thing that it needs is the Prover video Drivers...
And because of that many people is saying things like that
"Not to buy a HTC anymore. It promises a lot and delivers less."
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"my next phone will be an iPhone"
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But yes.. TyTN II is a Very Expensive Phone ...
but has a lot of good things...
also is smaller than another Phones with its characteristics...
so for me its great ..
and yes i Wish they would put in it Video drivers!!!
Wow. Unbelievable how many threads are opened with problem with the newly released ROM at HTC-e Club. I downloaded my version too from that site the moment I saw announcement here. First of all, I did not get a mail from HTC at all, should have liked that in the first place.
I decided not yet to install. Luckily a good decision it seems according to that huge list of complaints.
Normally a forum is always only full of complaints, no one is posting when all things a good (enough), so that is not surprising me at all.
But of all users that installed this new ROM version, aren't there any people who are satisfied? That is what I was wondering. So just leave you name and a message here if all works well, so I can be convinced to also try this new version myself.
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Apart from a few complaints that I had, I think that there are actually many things that are improved, for example the graphics when you turn portrait to landscape...and this is a remarkable one. And also, you are able to 'zoom in' in the latest Internet Explorer (WM6.1 standard one).
i was happy user with WM 2003, and later with WM2003 SE, and later with WM5, and later with WM6, and now with WM6.1... so you can say i'm a happy user in general i beleave you can be a happy user with any Mobile OS... i beleave is a choice...
Cheers
Very happy here. I'm running the official 6.1 ROM with the accompanying HTC SPL (overwriting the Hard SPL I used previously, as mine is a Vodafone branded phone) and it's far more responsive device - no more pauses or missed button presses, very little waiting around generally, and certain tasks like browsing files are markedly quicker. The new features (threaded SMS and improved IE) are good, having the camera and bluetooth fixes in ROM is worthwhile, and the whole package just feels like a much better, snappier device.
If I had to criticise it on anything, I'd say that at times the GPS can be slower to get a lock on - but then, at other times, it seems very quick - so I probably need to test that some more.
Im pretty happy myself
especially when I go from portrait to landscape
it loads up the screen real fast.
Found no grounds for complaints as of now (4 days and counting). Using the SWE version of the official update.
Happy user here!
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Im pretty happy myself
especially when I go from portrait to landscape
it loads up the screen real fast.
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same here.
me happy 2
Yes I confim being happy by the new official 6.1 release from HTC ... I was never happy with any cooked rom except with only one 2003 rom I had to cook it myself to add certain applications I didn't want to loose them with hard reset ...
with so much due respect to all gurus and chefs here, but playing with the core components and registry tweaks are not gauarnteed to hold against all types of applications a user may decide to install later ... actually this is the main reason for most of complaints.
I only didn't like the new threaded sms, but it's only a matter of small tweak .. but all the rest is so fine for me.
After about 3 flashes. a lil bit contented... but not happy.
The only reason i stick with this official rom is because i am kind of a purist, there are other very good roms from various cooks on this forum. But i prefer this one becasue its just generic* and i consider it pure from the manufacturer without person tweaks as a result of peoples personal preferences.
Sorry, I'm NOT happy with the latest official HTC 6.1 ROM.
BUT, I'm running udK's Vega R0 WM6.1 ROM for weeks, and I'm very happy with that one!
I'm very happy with the original release! It's working very fast here.
My screen flips very fast too.
But if you were to try the HTC rom with the HTC SPL your opinion might change!
Personally, I think, like Boingg, that the new ROM is great PROVIDED you re-install the HTC SPL.
As another person also said, there are some very good cooked ROM's here, but while they introduce some speed/performance improvements, they can also introduce their own bugs. One cook in particular seems intent on providing quantity over quality by uploading a new ROM seemingly every hour - always amuses me when I read the responses, like 'What a great rom, I am wetting myself its sooooooo good!! - By the way, here's a list of the bugs I found' (This isn't a direct quote, but you get the idea!!). I think at the end of day that the ROM that has been designed for a particular device will always be better than one that has been manhandled from elsewhere - although some of the ported ROM's do get pretty close, there is always some niggle or other.
Anyway, I will stop rambling.... yes I am happy with the HTC ROM but I reserve the right to re-flash at any time!
I'm using the WWE version and am happy with it so far.
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I'm very happy with the original release! It's working very fast here.
My screen flips very fast too.
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lol ... it draws in the background and displays it latter
no not fast actually... same speed about 2~5 seconds depends @cache (I think)
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Wow. Unbelievable how many threads are opened with problem with the newly released ROM at HTC-e Club. I downloaded my version too from that site the moment I saw announcement here. First of all, I did not get a mail from HTC at all, should have liked that in the first place.
I decided not yet to install. Luckily a good decision it seems according to that huge list of complaints.
Normally a forum is always only full of complaints, no one is posting when all things a good (enough), so that is not surprising me at all.
But of all users that installed this new ROM version, aren't there any people who are satisfied? That is what I was wondering. So just leave you name and a message here if all works well, so I can be convinced to also try this new version myself.
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Do you plan on doing something with this data/poll/etc....
Or is this a venting thread
This is a developer's forum .... not tech support or customer service
The purpose of this forum is to develop
If you've been around these devices for a while, you'll know that factory ROMz are the worst. Page Pools are set low, they contain alot of unwanted bloatware for compaines to brand their devices and as a result of this, storage space is low.
These ROMz however, provide a base for devlopers to work with. These are the ROMz that 95% of us have on our devices. On that note, we should be thankful that ROMz are updated by manufacturers....beacuase, again it provides raw materials to work with.
Try joining a manufacturer or carrier forum where thoughts & concerns of the ROMz in question can be viewed by representatives of the manufacturers.
Rom behavior:
There's no such thing as a perfect ROM. Some work better than others. What works good for me on my device may not work for you....
Factory or Cooked
D W N Y +1
Development is the name of the game. Move the thread to Walala land
And no, you should not be fooled feling "happy" with a glimp of possibilities provided by HTC. Nice quote "raw materials".
(and believe me, I DO know how they "develop" @ HTC here. They still learn from our own chefs (from outside the mouth of the horse)
I am Glad to see the WWE Official version out now.
Now that the Official version is out I will wait for our resident cooks to make a good rom out of it. Since the first day I got the Tilt I Hard SPL'ed it and got rid of the AT&T bloat and flashed a Schaps rom. I did try the new WWE from HTC but had some problems with it but I didn't take the time to try a different radio. So I am sure with the correct radio it would have been better then the one it came with. Depending on where you live your carrier and the service offered in your area have a lot to do with what radio works best. At least that has been my experience. But the one thing I know that is I seem to prefer the cooked roms if they use an official base. So I will wait and hopefully Schaps will be releasing soon. Thats my 2 cents!
Ed...
happy user, but could be happier.
Maybe I something missed or not...
I think everyone who use shift want that it become fullphone.
I`m sure that everyone ready to donate 50$ for this function.
but there are just one person who can do it, cmonex?
I call all to join to this who want this functionality we`ll make a foundation and donate money for this deal.
just one and final question to cmonex: will you do it and does it possible?
P.S. maybe someone other be able to do it?
why not,
I donate for SD Card funtionality too, if that works, we can porting Windows Mobile 6.1 to Shift, and maybe - later we can use Display drivers from HTC Touch HD
Maybe then the shift is useful
why not...
yes... count me in too... //_^
And then we could sell it to htc... hehe
Since they are incapable to give us a fully functional device, and they are not software supportive... to let us use it in higher computing speeds like ... not vista?
The vista thing is too much for the shift and you know it...
The shift is supposed to be a solution for the modern man, that has the need for a computer and a phone use simultaneously.
The shift is supposed to be a solution for us and not trouble...
I don't want to be radio waved by two devices every day... my Shift and my w810i ...
Honorably Yours,
P.S.
I 've made a small search about it's processor expandability.
And the news so far are bad... sort of...
They used a radio board that is not expendable.. at all... the processor socket is μFC-BGA663. A technology that has not been used for anything else... 0,90 nn in a parallelogram design. (not square!) As they use to.
The atoms are in a 0,45 nn technology with the μFC-BGA 478 and μFC-BGA 479 sockets...
I checked intel's site and i found that the information for the A100 and A110 "Steally" processors have only few information. AND THEY ARE NOT ON THE MAIN MENU!
They are allready passed the technology.
Why don't they make something in 0,45 nn for 663? (bigger chip more space... they could fit a quad or trio in there for crying out loud!... they have the tech to do it. They fit all ready dual cores in 478-9).
So forget about them too...
No daughterboard so far made to support another processor either...
So we could hope for a daughterboard ... but in a very small size :/
Anyway's ... if someone made this type of search and wants to share some information... i'm full ears. I'm really interested in upgrading the CPU.
Thank You.
50 US$: ok, but...
I would like to donate 50$ for this project (and I'll probably do that).
But do you really think that having a couple more of **** to "burn" should solve the problem? I mean: we're all beta-testers for new ROM's, and I read many posts of very clever people talking about daughterboards (and I really don't understand a single word of it, sorry ) . I mean: every strenght is just out there: people succeding in installing ubuntu or Xp Tablet, in changeing HDD, others waiting for new RAM to be produced, many cooking ROM's... Not to talk about software and optimization tips&tricks... What else do we need? I think: just some coordination, someone able to say "Ok, guys, we did this and we need to do that: let's try this way". Am I wrong?
So: if some of you needs his time to be paid I totally agree and I will give my contribution (I don't even want to think about any mean of "control" on the job that will be done), but if the only problem is to "beta-test" new solutions, sjust open a new thread, maybe naming it: "Do That On Your Risk"
Of course this is all IMHO
cmonex, where are you?
hehe, you all are right
normaly the best way is, to sell the shift and maybe you lose not to much money if you do that "now". Better to loose now 200-400€, as wait for semiprofessional solutions that comes maybe next half year. I buyed the Advantage X7510 befor i buyed the Shift, (better known as MDA AMEO 16GB) and they was **** too, i loosed as I resell them 400€ ;-) Then I believe in Shift, and this Device is not really better.
Best way is to buy a NET PC that is much cheaper - or if you want professional 8.9" Screen with Touchscreen (as sample) use the Fujitsu Siemens TabletPC Lifebook P1620. That is all much better to use, as an shift..
I´m really angry about HTC, I think, i have buyed most of all HTC´s that was sell in Europe, we have maybe 7000 USers with most Windows Mobile Push Services and most HTC Devices. But the quality is sometimes good, sometimes bad.
And the End of the Song: We have buyed 20000 Client Licences for Blackberry..
Sad, since 2001 I provide HTC Devices (or Operators branded HTC Devices) at the Side our customers and now I think that is the End...
I have try many other Devices from other companys then HTC, but most of them have same or related problems like HTC devices.
But for me is it not longer a problem, i have quit my job as technical responsible for that in our company last week and change to a other company - maybe then I have new Visions
howto deploy a Email Push Service for over 100000 Users
And maybe, it is not a WM Device, Not A Blackberry, maybe it is Nokia ´s Intellisync V9 Services, that works really stable on Nokia´s long powered S60 Phones.
And maybe: Nokia listen to my questions, improvements.
Maybe there is hope ;-)
Well, I think that there are two kinds of problems:
1. Software/ROM: and I just spoke of this a few posts ago.
2. Hardware: as much as you try to push Shift's functionality to the highest level, you'll always have to manage with RAM and processor... And as far as I can see, most of ROM's here published and cooked don't allow much more programs to be installed (I'm currently using Pli's ROM, and I just installed PhatNotes, then almost no more room for other things!!!). And I think that the most we try to get from our Shift, the less space we will have.
Anyway: when we bought Shift we all knew which were its limits, and more or less we accepted them. To me the only important missing SW is a web browser (PIE or Opera ). Not absolute need for GPS, and I can say I could live even without phone-on-shift.
As always IMHO
Hileotech said:
Well, I think that there are two kinds of problems:
1. Software/ROM: and I just spoke of this a few posts ago.
2. Hardware: as much as you try to push Shift's functionality to the highest level, you'll always have to manage with RAM and processor... And as far as I can see, most of ROM's here published and cooked don't allow much more programs to be installed (I'm currently using Pli's ROM, and I just installed PhatNotes, then almost no more room for other things!!!). And I think that the most we try to get from our Shift, the less space we will have.
Anyway: when we bought Shift we all knew which were its limits, and more or less we accepted them. To me the only important missing SW is a web browser (PIE or Opera ). Not absolute need for GPS, and I can say I could live even without phone-on-shift.
As always IMHO
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I have to agree.
I bought the Shift as it was advertised, a UMPC with built in high speed wireless modem!
There is nothing wrong with people experimenting for developement to get more functionality out of it in a purely non-professional way, but as soon as people start demanding ROM's from enthusiasts (and treating them as if they get a warranty!) and complaining that the device is rubbish because it does not do something it was never marketed to do, then you know they have lost the plot.
Also, IMHO too..
Sorry Tilt, only the newer HTC products will getting the new upgrade.
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/new...ree-on-the-touch-diamond2-and-touch-pro2.html
Nylo said:
Sorry Tilt, only the newer HTC products will getting the new upgrade.
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/new...ree-on-the-touch-diamond2-and-touch-pro2.html
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Old news We already have on some of our phones
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like that would stop us any how LOL
Nylo said:
Sorry Tilt, only the newer HTC products will getting the new upgrade.
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/new...ree-on-the-touch-diamond2-and-touch-pro2.html
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Too bad for who? I am already running Anrly's WM6.5 on my phone, and let me tell you it rocks!
XDA the place miracles can happen
stylez said:
XDA the place miracles can happen
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..... And where is the link to this 6.5 miracle?
Nylo said:
..... And where is the link to this 6.5 miracle?
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Lol can you please look in ROM section
Nylo said:
Sorry Tilt, only the newer HTC products will getting the new upgrade.
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/new...ree-on-the-touch-diamond2-and-touch-pro2.html
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...you really thought that HTC would do that!? If you thought that you were a dreamer! They like to sell new phones and not an old phone like the Kaiser
Windows Mobile 6.5 works on QVGA?
Out of interest, are any of the devices that will 'officially' be running Windows Mobile 6.5 QVGA? From what I see, the versions of 6.5 cooked into ROMS here are tweaked to fit on the smaller 320x240 screen - but the Touch Diamond 2 and Pro 2 are both WVGA devices with an 800x460 screen resolution aren't they?
If the 'proper' version of 6.5 is designed to work on VGA devices or better only, it's not surprising that HTC aren't planning on offering upgrades to older devices that don't support the higher resolutions. Sure, it can be made to work on older handsets - but not in the way Microsoft probably envisioned for their new release...
I might be wrong and I have my asbestos "flame-proof" jacket on, so I'm ready for the backlash
Actually, Microsoft has said that it will allow official upgrades on current 6.1 devices as long as they have a 400mhz processor and 128mb ram (plus the windows start key). The Kaiser meets all of those requirements, so it is eligible for an upgrade, but that would be at the discretion of HTC/carriers. I doubt that we will ever see an official upgrade due to the age of the Kaiser, but you never know.
More importantly, though, is whether it even matters. Do we even need an official 6.5 for the Kaiser to build off of, or can we do an equal/better job with the dumped 6.5 roms already being ported to our phone? I guess that would be a question I would put to our chefs out there.
Would it really be an 'upgrade' though if HTC provided it?
If the HTC Official WWE WM 6.1 'upgrade' for the TyTN II is anything to go by, I'd run a mile from any HTC provided WM 6.5 release for the TyTN II anyway. Apart from the fact there were so many bugs in the official WM 6.1 upgrade when compared to the relatively stable WM 6.0, it's clear from HTCs continual refusal to provide full (not partial) graphics driver support for even much newer devices, that they don't learn lessons from the past (or if they do, they don't act on them).
Given the TyTN IIs age now, I suspect if there was a further upgrade to come even the apprentice programmers' time would be considered to valuable for such a task and GPS, graphics performance and things like screen flashes when coming out of standby (all things still not fixed after nearly a year since the first WM 6.1 upgrade was released) would take a very low priority. I could be proven wrong but I don't have much faith that the HTC leopard would change its spots
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...I could be proven wrong but I don't have much faith that the HTC leopard would change its spots
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Wow, HTC Leopard? I liked my original Hermes, now love my Kaiser - can't wait to try the Leopard
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I liked my original Hermes, now love my Kaiser
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I hope people don't misinterpret what I wrote, I believe the TyTN II was groundbreaking in its day and it certainly offered the right combination of features that other devices didn't have together in the one package. The problem is that there are a number of inexactitudes when comparing the actual device with all the advertising that was out for the device when first released (what I relied on for my purchase decision). Both advertiising from HTC and from Qualcomm the chip maker. Since then I've seen no indication that HTC is interested in maximising all the potential in this device to try and live up to those advertising claims and if anything their UK released ROM upgrade for my device actualy makes it worse. It's a sad state of affairs where a buggy 'upgrade' still hasn't been fixed nearly a year later and I'm fed up with sending letters to HTC which aren't listened to (not to mention the thousands of online petition signatories requesting full driver support for the embedded hardware actually on the device).
As someone who has worked as a computer technician I can tell you it is truely scandalous to release a product complete with an OS that doesn't have full driver support for embedded graphics acceleration and any full sized PC provider would not get away with it. Not only then but also the fact they haven't since come along with an update to address these concerns - hence my lack of faith in this company.
I would assume HTC's refusal to release system drivers would have to do with NDA's they signed with the various component manufacturers. I'm also relatively new to the world of XDA (but not winmo), so I would assume that this topic has been discussed to death on this site before.
@Flying Kiwi: I only had the Hermes for three weeks before I found a kickin deal on a Kaiser, but I have to agree it was a good phone. However, the upgrade to the Kaiser from the Hermes was worth the little extra I paid, if only for the gps and increased ram.
Not to get off topic, but does anyone else find Age of Empires to be incredibly addictive on a PDA?