OK, I needed to vent a bit here! I'm expecting a new O2 Atom next week, and then my BA is going to be sold. So I downgraded to 2003SE yesterday (I'm not really sure that the new owner is up for experiments in OS...), and I will run it with that for the next week. The good: It's faster. A lot faster on web surfing. The bad: Just about everything else! :x Cumbersome OS, ugly, idiotic menus (why don't you get the ability to delete an SMS first when you pop up a menu on an excisting SMS - "New" is really not the logical choice - and that's one of a bunch of stupid things!). Not to mention that it's actually less stable, especially on BT! I've had to reset it twice since yesterday when turning on and off BT because of a driver memory message. Basically I would keep WM5, especially with the latest speed improvements over this shxt any day!
Cudos to the experts for working on a great OS for a pretty great unit! Without that I probably would have sold this unit a long time ago!
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i currently own a Vario 2 from Tmobile, had it about 18 months now and more than happy with it.
The question is, is it worth upgrading to a Vario 3. i have read some of this forum and seems to be a lot of negative views on the Vario 3.
So should i upgrade or just sit with my Vario 2?
the only reason would be if you needed integrated GPS...
In any other cases : NO
I dont really need a seperate GPS as i have a full tomtom.
so i guess the vario 3 does not add much more to the choice then.
more ram, more rom, larger storage capabilities.... its not just the gps chip
I would agree on the whole stability issue. My hermes was a nightmare for the whole 18 months i owned it. Soft resets several times a day, occaisonal spontaneous hard resets, crashes for no reason, sleep of death, non-functioning touch screen...the list goes on.
But the tytn 2 (which i do own) is a crippled platform (video drivers) and you may well find that waiting for something like the imate 9502 (if it ever comes) would be better.
I just bought one (but didnt have the II before to compare) and I have to say its far surpassed my hopes and expectations... so far that is... lol... I did and do own an Acer N50 premium pda and that I had to soft reset often and while the screen was a little larger the III is more clear and vibrant... all in all you wouldnt be going wrong getting one.
Yes forgetting the driver issue the Kaiser is better phone. Like Mike said much better feel and more stable. The extra RAM was really why I upgraded from Hermes and I am happy with it over all. I dont want to bring the driver thing to this thread also, but I wish HTC would do something about these issues. These days putting a unfinished product to the market is one thing, but saying we aint going to fix this is another.
I guess it comes down to how much you would have to pay. If you get a good deal and good price from your old phone why not.
I only use the office apps email etc. I dont use the camera, play games, watch video or use even the gps.
My heavyest use could be like: writing a new email, Word and Ecxel open for copying something for the email and i get a call, all in the same time. This is when i dont want my phone to crash and Kaiser is been working great for this type of use.
tsadek said:
But the tytn 2 (which i do own) is a crippled platform (video drivers)
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Is it actually any worse that previous model in this respect though? As in, can it be lived with considering the fact you no longer have to:
tsadek said:
Soft resets several times a day, occaisonal spontaneous hard resets, crashes for no reason, sleep of death, non-functioning touch screen...the list goes on.
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Personally I would put up with lag to some degree if it meant I no longer had to soft reset several times a day and risked loosing everything with a random hard reset...do you know how long it takes to re-install and re-configure these blooming things!
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Ido you know how long it takes to re-install and re-configure these blooming things!
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5 Minutes to be exact. sprite backup has made restoring a matter of minutes rather than hours. I do alot of testing with my TYTN II being an MS beta tester plus beta testing for a few other companies I have to do hard resets to change configuration. I have about 6 different backups on mine used for different tests but to hard reset its a breeze. sprite backup is well worth using (plug not intended)
I've been using Vario II for quite a long time. I had only issues with TomTom on the stock WM5 ROM. From the first cooked WM6 ROMs I've been quite happy. Nevertheless, I decided to change for Vario III. And I don't regret.
It's slimmer, I do feel that 128MB Ram make a difference.
There are 2 things I don't like. First one, I cannot use it as a torch when goin down the stairs to the loo in the middle of the night and that ****e quality rubber covering the microsd slot. After a few card swaps it looks as if it had been used for a year, not 2 weeks. If it was made from harder plastic, everything would be ok.
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Is it actually any worse that previous model in this respect though? As in, can it be lived with considering the fact you no longer have to:
Personally I would put up with lag to some degree if it meant I no longer had to soft reset several times a day and risked loosing everything with a random hard reset...do you know how long it takes to re-install and re-configure these blooming things!
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Its a tough one especially as i have a friend who owns a hermes and never has any problems with it.
Knowing what I know now I would probably not upgrade and wait a bit and see what appears in the next 6 months as well continue to pester orange for a properly functioning handset.
That said the Kaiser is VERY liveable with and does what i ask of it but the slowdowns are noticeable and quite disappointing.
I too have a Vario II from T-Mobile. Worlds worse phone by far. Mine's been back for repair twice. Keeps crashing, buttons lock up. Last time it went back because every time it crashed (twice a day) you had to reboot it. Then the alarm clock would go off for 40 minutes on vibrate and speaker and couldn't be stopped with out taking the battery out.
Totally fed up with this horrible phone. I was so fed up I put the phone in the microwave to trash the system board so T-Mobile had to give me a new one.
Got the phone yesterday and it crashed... pressed reset on the bottom with the stylus. This morning phones locked up again while selecting a ring tone. Argh....... I want my Nokia 9300 communicator back.
I'd love the Nokia E90. HSDPA and it has a good reputation.
I've an iPAQ 2790 with a 624Mhz cpu and 256Mb ram so I really don't need this thing from T-Mobile. Maybe ebaying it is the solution to my problems.
forgot to mention the new vario II back from T-Mobile has windows mobile 6 on it. Just as rubbish on this phone as windows mobile 5.
I personally find the Vario II with WM6 on it very stable. There is no comparison with WM5 - now I reset it more out of habit than any need. There are some issues but nothing that causes me real problems.
Having had both a Kaiser (on loan) and a Hermes for the last 4 months having to pay for an upgrade or going through loads of fuss to get one is not really worth the extras the Kaiser has over the Hermes.
A fresh user I would tell to get the Kaiser ofcourse.
Id also add that the vast majority of users in the Hermes section and from the people I know who use them havent had such extreme issues as soft resets daily and random Hard resets, most of the issues people encounter are due to 3rd party apps conflicting with eachother.
The driver issue with the kaiser is a pretty poor point personally since I tend to use coreplayer quite alot and the playback on the Hermes is flawless.
Id say if you already have a hermes then the added extras on the kaiser aint really enough to justify an upgrade (since knowing HTC a TyTN III or something like is soon around the corner), but for a brand new user its worth getting one.
I had a VarioII for 18 months before upgrading to a VarioIII, and I know exactly this dilemma.
Does the VarioIII have enough to persuade you to ditch the II?
My answer is yes - but with qualifications.
I had the BT GPS/TomTom/powered car kit setup on my VarioII, so the in-built GPS is of value. My TT Navigator software installed with no fuss on the VarioIII, and that is more stable (I had occasional hang ups in TT6 which hitting OK then opening the TT6 dsoftware again alays got past). Its behaved flawlessly in this regard, even though the GPS unit isnt as good as my BT SirfStarIII unit its certainly up to the job.
Like others have said, the extra RAM seems to make a huge difference to performance - very few soft resets and NO hard resets in the month I've had the phone. Also, I had the classic VarioII "screen align drift" issue, and I've not had to recalibrate once with the VarioIII yet.
My biggest issue is with the screen slide going the "wrong" way. It just seems daft. This means putting the stylus away with the screen in landscape is now a left handed function and damn fiddly, and dont get me started on where the scroll wheel is now! It used to be so easy to roll with your thumb in landscape mode - now its a right index finger job, and is behind the open screen. Poor decision, HTC.
I flashed my VarioII to WM6 via the t-mobile website, and that has performed better since, so maybe a VarioIII isnt a necessary purchase. However, I'm enjoying mine, and that is the best acid test of all.
Good luck.
I have a chance to get a brand new AT&T Tilt for pretty cheap (w/o contract). I am a Tmo user and have been using the Wing/Herald. I just found this forum and have enjoyed modding my phone. Most of the issues that I hated about the wing dissapeared when I reflashed with the new rom. No more freezing up on me, and my camera actually has enough memory to operate (even with other apps open!). I used to have to soft reset it to get the camera to work LOL! Anyways... I really want the GPS functionality and increased performance of the Kaiser but I'm worried about all the complaints I see about video drivers and unresolved issues.
Also one of my friends who has the AT&T Tilt says he's on his 2nd phone and the middle button keeps failing (sticking) on him. Is this normal?
Should I make the jump? Or hang on to my Wing until the issues are resolved? Will the video performance of the Kaiser be worse then the Herald I have now?
Thanks guys... I look forward to spending a lot more time on here!!
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Had my Diamond for a week and LOVE it! I'm a long time PALM OS user, and this is the first PPC device I've used - so needless to say there's been lots of install and deletons in the last few days trying to get my phone where I like it.
So the question I have .... what programs are out there that are useful (and possibly free) that do a good job of cleaning old registry files, and keeping my memory running fast and efficient??
Thanks and look forward to your replies.
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Must admit I'm just about to part company with the TyTn. I've been impressed with it to a degree as a PDA but I do think the phone element of it is atrocious. What makes it worse now is that there seems to be problem after problem with it, especially after the 6.1 upgrade.
Latest problem is that today it just seems to slow down, lock or even freeze completely. Going to contacts and hitting a contact in the list doesn't open it up any more and problems just seem to start from there. Once this happens I can't close programmes, can't navigate in them, in fact can't do anything, at least until the damn thing seems to catch up with a key press I made 1/2 an hour ago. Restarts and battery removal seem to fix it for 1/2 an hour or so but then it's back to lag and lock. Sick and tired of it now.
It got turned off and on again while connected to PC by USB and not sure if that's caused it but overall I'm getting quite fed up with the device and the WM 6.1 combi.
Contemplating a hard reset or even re-flash (possibly back to WM6.0 but the problems with SPL reversion put me off that) to try to fix what has just become a bug ridden pain to use.
Did you install Hard SPL to upgrade to WM6.1, or are you using your Carriers ROM?
If so what version of Hard SPL are you currently using?
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Dont forget that its not the phone´s fault but M$ and HTC. They build the crappy roms. I have cooked rom on my kaiser and I am more then satisfied with it.
Absolutely nothing wrong with mine and I've had it since Jan this year.
Whatever problem has occurred has been as a result of my installing some app that conflicts with something, but I have aways been able to rectify matters.
Runs like a well-oiled machine.
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Absolutely nothing wrong with mine and I've had it since Jan this year.
Whatever problem has occurred has been as a result of my installing some app that conflicts with something, but I have aways been able to rectify matters.
Runs like a well-oiled machine.
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Same here, though i have this device since may this year. I have to say that a flash with a custom rom improves the quality of the kaiser. Carrier roms are slow and full with programs i do not use.
My only remark is that the phone reacts slow on phonecalls. It takes a second or two before the phone rings when you are called. Besides that, the phone responses slow when i end a call. So the reaction time can be improved. Still: that's my only remark and i do not even know if that is a phone or os related problem.
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Absolutely nothing wrong with mine and I've had it since Jan this year.
Whatever problem has occurred has been as a result of my installing some app that conflicts with something, but I have aways been able to rectify matters.
Runs like a well-oiled machine.
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Ditto, I've had mine a year and it's a champ. Either your spl is wrong for 6.1 or your phone is sick and needs to go to the phone hospital.
Never had any problem with my Tytn II ....love it,, with me since April this year...
The Copilot GPS software which i got free with phone works like a dream.
Cheers.
No problems with my device and I am taking it to the limits daily.
If you need a solid fast reliable smartphone - you can sure find better then this.
but if you look for a device that can be configured to fit exactly your taste and needs with the best support ever (yes, I'm speaking about the XDA-Dev forum) keep this one.
this is the ultimate device for those who are seeking for constant improvment and willing to invest some of their time in it (flashing flashing flashing)
Well I'm glad for those that are having a better experience than mine. Mine is still pretty dismal though.
Like an idiot I just followed the instructions from HTC for installing their 6.1 and haven't touched SPL. It was all working fine (of sorts) yesterday (despite the fact that I wished I had not upgraded to 6.1) andf then it just keeps locking up. Using SMS and hitting to accept a word offered by predictive text guarantees a lock as does opening contacts and selecting a contact. Will look at the SPL issue but didn't really want to be tinkering with that as I wanted to keep it all stock from the warranty side. At the moment though I suspect even the warranty will not cover it when I hurl it against the wall from having to do the 25th reset of the day.
I suggest you do a hard reset; then install Hard SpL and go to WM 6.1. Once SpL is installed there will be very few, if any, problems with the device.
Cheers
MACkjam said:
Absolutely nothing wrong with mine and I've had it since Jan this year.
Whatever problem has occurred has been as a result of my installing some app that conflicts with something, but I have aways been able to rectify matters.
Runs like a well-oiled machine.
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Same for me. I have had nothing but great luck with my 8925 with the stock ATT ROM.... And its a refurb!
Maybe you just have a bad phone. You don't judge the heard by one horse.
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Well I'm glad for those that are having a better experience than mine. Mine is still pretty dismal though.
Like an idiot I just followed the instructions from HTC for installing their 6.1 and haven't touched SPL. It was all working fine (of sorts) yesterday (despite the fact that I wished I had not upgraded to 6.1) andf then it just keeps locking up. Using SMS and hitting to accept a word offered by predictive text guarantees a lock as does opening contacts and selecting a contact. Will look at the SPL issue but didn't really want to be tinkering with that as I wanted to keep it all stock from the warranty side. At the moment though I suspect even the warranty will not cover it when I hurl it against the wall from having to do the 25th reset of the day.
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Thats weird mate, before even knowing that xda existed I flashed mine to 6.1 on the HTC site and it worked like a charm.
I have to say that I bought this phone well knowing that it was more of a ppc than a phone. I have to say that this phone has BLOWN ME AWAY with the capabilities shown through this forum. I suppose I shouldnt be surprised, being that it is practically a computer, all the mods are basically batch files and adjusting the registry or are skins. I absolutely love this machine!
So, I upgraded to a droid when it was released, but I recently repaired the screen on my Tilt and am going to be giving it to my sister.
I just wanted to see what the latest and greatest tweaks for the tilt are?! I wiped it when I first replaced the screen anticipating selling it.
SO...i'd rather NOT flash a new rom or do anything crazy.
I WOULD like a new dialer, youtube and facebook apps, and any other "basic" thing that makes it easier to use with the touch screen. I cant remember everything I had done to it, so its hard for me to track down all the things I had.
(side note: im tech-savvy but my sis isnt. so nothing that might jack it up in the future either...)
THANKS!!
You have the forums ready so you can go, read and find the latest - greatest for yourself
The latest and greatest is WM 6.5, most already have youtube , facebook apps cooked in for optimal performance. Just read through rom development for a 6.5 that has everything you want. For the best and most stable 6.1 rom with great apps, check my/people's signitures ( hint ; hint )
If in fact you do not want to flash your phone.....well then, nothing's new.
I think he ment the iphone 4?
I've had a Tytn2 for many years now except it is having a few issues. Last night I picked up a brand new Tytn2 that has NEVER BEEN USED for calls and only switched on twice! Immaculate condition but ROM date of 2007 ISTR.
So I'll be looking for a decent WM 6.5 ROM that isn't too agressive for me.... So, yeah, WB to you too