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WM 5 vs WM 200SE, worth trying it? Please leave your comment

Hello everyone,
I have generated this post to get some feedback from those of you who may have upgraded your BAs from WM2003SE to WM5.0. I have been following all the updates rather close. All I can say is that Mamaich and Tuatara are 2 absolute heroes in my book. The latest (for those of you who are not sure of what verison of the rom is out there) TuMa v1.3 seems to be the cream of the crop at this point.
Anywho, what I would like to get from this post is feedback on the following (all of these are to be compared to WM2003SE, so keep that in mind when replying):
*Speed of the device
*Overall stability
*Issues (other than the infamous BT disconnect). BTW, we are counting on you for this, Mamaich and Tuatara. 8)
Keep in mind that I want to try to get a good comparison between the OS's. Please remember that the point is to inform people who, very much like myself, does not know squat about programming, but has some knowledge about certain things and want to upgrade to WM5 just because he/she can Personally, my SX66 works like an absolute charm with WM2003SE, but I am really curious as of the new capabilities of WM5 (and at the same time, I do not want to turn it into a brick with a sliding keyboard--- :? . --- --- --- R.I.P. MPx200 (after attempting to upgrade to WM5)
Anyway, any feedback on this will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks guys and may xda-developers live forever!!!!

Personally, I can't see many extra features of WM5 for what I use it for. The only difference for me in all honesty is the fact WM2003 is so ugly when you've used WM5.
Bluetooth is worse, not just the d/c problems but not as feature-full as yet. I miss being able to browse peoples devices etc.
The device becomes really lagged when you use Wi-fi and Media Player
Media Player has trouble with MP3's (not actually tested with wma) for the first minute or so while it buffers.
However, saying all this, I wouldn't go back. Despite WM2003's profound ugliness, the recent TuMa 1.3 works a treat and really feels secure, even securer than I felt with WM2003. The speed is excellent too, except when using Wi-Fi or using Media Player. TuMa 1.3 is also reeeaally easy to patch to your operator, all you need to do is open a command window (Start > Run > type cmd > navigate to the folder > then SetOperator <type your operator value next to it>.
Quite frankly, if you are even slightly eager to try it, you still wont really feel content until you do despite matter what we say. Just go out and try it and you shant want to go back!
Hope this helps!
Leo

now WM5 pack3.1 is very fast,i like it

My opinion is that the Bluengel gets very slow with WM5.. I'm considering to go back to WM2003 again...

My opinion is that the Bluengel gets very slow with WM5.. I'm considering to go back to WM2003 again...

is the keyboard repeating issue resolved?

alex_zou said:
now WM5 pack3.1 is very fast,i like it
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what pack 3.1????

I guess he meant v1.3. He just got it backwards, By the way, thank you all for the good feedback. Keep it coming though!!!

Hi,
The V1.3 rom is good and it's quite fast but I have had too many problems with the phone side to keep using it. These are the problems that I've peronally had which Have Forced me to go back to 2003:
1) Recieving phone calls. When some calls me it goes through to the voice mail but if they hang up and call me again it comes through.
2) Making phone calls. When I dial someone the call is immeadtly ended then I dial again and it take about 20-30s for the call to be dial and then it end the call after 1 min
3) When i run an application and close it the running tasks tells me it's still running.
These all seem to specific to my device as there are mayeb 1/2 other people with these problems(phone), one of whom has also gone back to 2003.
Just my 2 pence worth.
Thanks
satpal

I agree WM5 is cuttier and more steady. As of the new TuMa 1.3 upgrade, I've never seen my device so glad to run a ROM yet
IT'S REally feature-packed, even when I won't use all of the features. It felt very strong, stable and FAST!! (I don't notice the slowliness some others say, moreover it feels faster than with 2003), more than any other ROM I've tried to date. WOW WHAT A JOB!!
I'm having a problem with the phone where I can not get any sounds from the phone making, nor receiving calls. I can not hear or be heard using the loudspeaker. Using the Bluetooth headphone works, though. But, bluetooth is sooo weeak on this device (my impression) that for me is not really worth it. I was using a Nokia phone (80something) and the Bluetooth stack felts very strong and stable and, at the very least, you could hear the sound clearly, without the scratchs and noises I'm used to sort in a bluetooth conversation using my BA.
That's why I revert my BA to WM2003, to check if the problem was because of WM5 but, now, the problem persists, and I don't have so many other options...
Just a thought: if you wanna better Bluetooth thingie, don't go WM5: M$ stack is a crap... lacks everything...

it's definitelly worth trying... I like the usability and keyboard navigarion better... in 2k3, it is impossible to even close a simple gprs popup without touching screen where as in wm5 you can simply press right arrow key and enter to close it... there are plenty of small things which make it more usable for day to day usage
plus It gives you the courage to upgrade to a more steadier device with wm5 pre installed... like I bought universal after using BA for couple months

[edit] the WM5 version I tested was 1.3 TuMa.
My QTEK 9090 really didn't like WM5.
I love the look and feel, and particularly the MSN integration, but had to go back to 2003SE.
Do tell me if I missed anything that would fix the issues below and allow me to go back to WM5 :-
1 - SLOOOW. Some apps more than others, for example reading an SMS takes 5-6 seconds to open a 30 character message.
2 - Phone. Keypad very slow. Audio cuts out halfway through a call, seemingly at random.
The second point is what forced me to downgrade. If my smartphone is not a phone, then it's no use to me.
The last test I did with WM5 was using the 1.13 radio ROM. I've since updated it to 1.15. Has anyone seen any WM5 improvement with higher radio versions on PH20B hardware? I ask because I've been through the reflashing process so many times, I realise I am pushing my luck and will end up with a brick sooner or later.

hey all ! new around here just a quicky.

Hi everyone! great info on this site. been lookin around for a few hours now. Ive had my Qtek9090 for almost a year now. Trying to get a grip on this whole UPGRADING the ROMs idea. which brings me to my question.
I am a firm beliver of the whole "if it aint broke, dont fix it" saying... however i would like to upgrade my PDA for legitament reasons...
I am not interested in going to MOBILE 5. from what i have gathered it has conflicts with TOMTOM NAV 5 (which i use everyday) and other conflicts that convince me otherwise.
However, my PDA does hang randomly causing me to "soft reset" and sometimes when i call people they cannot hear me but i can hear them..
I am just curious as to which upgrades specifically i need to rid of said problems.. (If the upgrades fix other "bugs" that doesnt hurt either.. but i dont want to open the door to more problems..)
Thanks in advance everyone.
P.S. - how do i get my profile to allow me to choose qtek9090 and rom dates from the drop down boxes? i added the correct info to signature box, due to the fact that i could not add it initally.

I have to say that running TomTom5 on WM5 i've had no problems since TomTom released a 5.2 patch.
The reason I went for WM5 was very simular to the problems you are having, random lockups and sometimes if I answered a call I could hear someone but they couldnt hear me. Since going to WM5 I haven't had any problems with these two issues. The only thing that WM5 has that bugs me is the slow keyboard, which a simple overclocking can fix (which Blue Angels are designed to do)
Do you know what ROM you are on at the moment? If you goto 'Start -> Settings -> Device Information' then you can get all the versions, copy them here and I guess peeps will be able to tell you what can be upgraded.

Duh! Signature... :roll:

hehe
LOL @ signature! agagag. hmm im actually scared of going to wm5. but huh who knows.. i would really rather avoid it tho... How is that new patch for tomtom? what does it fix? thanks for the quick answer.

radio rom
You might try updating your radio rom to 1.15
Greetings vastloper

Well before the patch I couldn't even install TomTom5! :lol:
The trick is to download the update BEFORE trying to install TomTom5. If you unzip the update package (WinRAR does it) then insert your TomTom installation CD without autorun, then in the folder you unziped run the "setup.exe" program. Hay presto it all works.
It's even simpler then I make it sound.
And yeah, Radio Upgrade if nothing else should fix a couple of problems. I think you have to do a hard reset anyway for the radio update, but if your BA keeps locking up I'd make sure you do one.

thanks for the info
thanks for the info guys... yea i did something stupid last night. i tried to do that VGA hack, and it ended up not working and screwing up my file explorer? any ideas on how to remove it? ive been messin with it and i got tot he point where its "GOOD AS IS" and i deleted the files.. whats teh file called so i can look in the FTP downloads for the 1.15 RADIO UPDATE.

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_Radio_1.15_Upgrade
Not only do you get the file, but full instructions on how to install it. :wink:
On the same page is a link to the old versions, so if for somereason you don't like the 1.15 Radio ROM you can just downgrade again. In fact the same goes for WM5.

thanks
hey thanks alot bro. Ill give the upgrade a shot.
I am more interested in vastloper because he has or had the same QTEK 9090 as i did. and im just curious as to how your current ROM is? stable? anything ya dont like about it??

well guys updated to the 1.5 RADIO ROM after reading the whole thread... had some probs with installation but thanks to the INFO on the site i managed to get through it... however i did lose my MP3 sound. and could not find an answer to it so far.. anyone got an idea?
1 person mentioned he had the same problem. but everyone else didnt.

update
did some trouble shooting and narrowed it down to media player i think. If i do a soft reset, and load an MP3 from PDA HD, it works. but when i close media player, all my sound cuts out!! even basic windows tones.
the sound will work while playing the MP3, even when i use the pause button, But its only after i close MEDIA PLAYER all my sound stops working. Any ideas?

found a ref to the exact same problem.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=28534&highlight=mp3+stop+sound
i duno if theres a fix... Thinking about going to Tmobile 1.42 im going to bed ive been reading for 10 hrs straight and its 7 am.

a2dp skipping issue solved on 8525, may work on wizard

anyway, there is something being worked on in the hermes thread.. check this link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=284644http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1066776&posted=1#post1066776
i can verify this works.. on my 8525 and HT820 when nothing else has... On my 8525 with this task manager running it did skip for about 1-3 minutes, then apparently this app load balances and my skipping went away, i was on for 40 minutes listening with no skipping then had to get back to work... Also slueth is working on a patch that may solve it completely without the task manager.. check this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=284974
Now since i dont have my wizard on me, i cant verify if this will even work on the wizard, however it may give someone here a place to start on how to solve the issue.. but i can say alot of the stuff is the same OS wise and i think this should work... go check it out!

has anyone tried this? i am curious to see if it works on the wizard

Testing it with a Wizard overclocked to 234MHz and Motorola HT-820. Will report back tonight...
so far experienced less skips with my Pocket Player...

Discovery while trying...
Hmm, just got a shock when I found out that when I play MP3s, my wizard NEVER ever skipped, only when I play aac plus files... You guys also skip when playing MP3? Now I think mine don't...

I only get skipping when my foon connection is off and it surch for the network. Does this also improve the high sound (high hads) that still cracks a little bit?

Can someone try this out?
I don't have my bluetooth headphones with me, so I can't test it until the weekend when I get home. Curious to see if this works. I used the registry hack and it seems to work better, but still skips every 30 secs or so.
If this work, it would be wonderful.

Can anyone here confirm that this fix for the Hermes also works on our Wizards?

Upgrading WM2003SE to WM5

As a newbie (SX66 for 2 weeks) I've been playing.
Would like to know if it is worth upgrading, and if there are any problems once it is done?
Like to get some feedback as my BA is working fine.
Thanks,
Mitch

mitch1 said:
As a newbie (SX66 for 2 weeks) I've been playing.
Would like to know if it is worth upgrading, and if there are any problems once it is done?
Like to get some feedback as my BA is working fine.
Thanks,
Mitch
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well i have run wm5 on my BA for quite a about a year now.
few things u need to take into consideration is that because our develpers here work hard to port wm5 from other devices, there is some minor drawback with releases for example,
- bluetooth does not work that smoothly.
- speed is little bit slower than wm2003se,
- GPS connection problem
however having said that, wm5 also offers few good things too
- a2dp (wireless stereo) works close to perfect with helmi latest broadcomm bluetooth driver
- the look and feel is very nice compare to ugly look 2003.
- the speed is getting faster by release close to wm2003se
that all i can think off now.
hope it helps

looking for former Trinity owners

just wondering if some of you that upgraded from a trinity to a Kaiser are happy with it.. Was thinking about getting one.. have been trying an iphone, but the lack of good pda features is killing me..
so i've been looking at getting a kaiser, but without a lot of nice cooked roms out yet and stuff, i was just wondering what you guys thought about it.

racerx_ said:
just wondering if some of you that upgraded from a trinity to a Kaiser are happy with it.. Was thinking about getting one.. have been trying an iphone, but the lack of good pda features is killing me..
so i've been looking at getting a kaiser, but without a lot of nice cooked roms out yet and stuff, i was just wondering what you guys thought about it.
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I will take the Kaiser anytime over the trinity, save the bug of the bulk updates on the GPS system.
Just using the stock ROM and add on the softwares that I need, and its great.
The response is faster than the trinity.

The GPS system is definitely a lot faster. Can get fix almost immediate.
Not sure about the peeling off issue will happen to Kaiser. Just got mine for few days.

racerx_ said:
just wondering if some of you that upgraded from a trinity to a Kaiser are happy with it.. Was thinking about getting one.. have been trying an iphone, but the lack of good pda features is killing me..
so i've been looking at getting a kaiser, but without a lot of nice cooked roms out yet and stuff, i was just wondering what you guys thought about it.
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Hello my friend, I have changed to HTC Tytn II, and man what a big change, loving the new one and not even missing the trinity a bit, the Kaiser is for sure a keeper, its a show piece, high quality material finish, no peeling issues, keyboard with a lovely tilt, GPS is outstanding; by the time you start the nav app your gps is fixed , and not forgetting the big space in both ram and rom, I do recommend the Kaiser to everybody, and would always look forward to see a Kasierguides.info by racerx_

Yep - I was a Trinity owner and for me , I got really frustrated at not having a proper keyboard - solved with the Kaiser!!!
Plus it has a lot more memory available, especially with a cooked ROM..
Cheers
John

I also upgraded my Trinity to Kaiser, and I fully agree with taiseer999.
He forgot to mention the Trinity MiniSD issue with disappearing files and stuff. the Kaiser dont have this issue at all.
The down side for me in compare to the Trinity is the size and the weight, and also the BT Headset sound. but other than that, all perfect for me.

helllo....
i'm using trinity before i get brand new htc tytn II.For me,htc tytn II is better than trinity in all department.Because of that i sold my trinity.
For Iphone i had too for a week,but i cant compare those two devices because there build for different purpose and differrent os,but the two of devices is good.....
cheers

Kaiser feel very solid when compared to trinity. But the weight difference is quite big. But love every moment with it. GPS connection is definitely faster. Haven't tried cook rom yet since the ROM/RAM size is double of trinity.
Keyboard is good but with new software keyboard like touchpal. Hardware keyboard is no longer a necessity.

thanks everybody for the feedback.. very helpful. Sounds like no one's looking back...
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Hello my friend, I have changed to HTC Tytn II, and man what a big change, loving the new one and not even missing the trinity a bit, the Kaiser is for sure a keeper, its a show piece, high quality material finish, no peeling issues, keyboard with a lovely tilt, GPS is outstanding; by the time you start the nav app your gps is fixed , and not forgetting the big space in both ram and rom, I do recommend the Kaiser to everybody, and would always look forward to see a Kasierguides.info by racerx_
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hey... taiseer.. didn't know you'd jumped over to Kaiser-land!! haha.. well, you're definitely making me think of getting one.. not sure about the weight, but otherwise maybe it's the phone for me.. we'll see about kaiserguides.info haha.. but we need 1) me to get a kaiser and 2) a lot of good chefs and yummy roms..
will update you.. guess i can sell the iphone and the trinity and snag one..
what was that mentioned in an earlier message about GPS batch updates? i didn't follow that..

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what was that mentioned in an earlier message about GPS batch updates? i didn't follow that..
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the GPS stream does not come in smoothly like the trinity, but instead, it comes in bursts every 8 seconds or so.
The updates on voice navigation is therefore somewhat delayed at times.
Sometimes, it can tell me to exit at the intersection ahead, where I have already passed it.
This is with the bundled R12 Mapking (for asia), and Mapking 2007 (retail).

hangyong said:
the GPS stream does not come in smoothly like the trinity, but instead, it comes in bursts every 8 seconds or so.
The updates on voice navigation is therefore somewhat delayed at times.
Sometimes, it can tell me to exit at the intersection ahead, where I have already passed it.
This is with the bundled R12 Mapking (for asia), and Mapking 2007 (retail).
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There is a software update for R12:
http://mapking.com.sg/download/MapKing R12/TyTn II/TytnII_Setup_MapKingR12.zip
For MapKing 2007, you can use GPSproxy + Mapking to improve the refresh rate.

shihyong said:
There is a software update for R12:
http://mapking.com.sg/download/MapKing R12/TyTn II/TytnII_Setup_MapKingR12.zip
For MapKing 2007, you can use GPSproxy + Mapking to improve the refresh rate.
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well, HTC Asia has confirmed that its a bug, so they should solve the problem, although there are workarounds.
Until that happens, its still a bug in their ROM.

hangyong said:
well, HTC Asia has confirmed that its a bug, so they should solve the problem, although there are workarounds.
Until that happens, its still a bug in their ROM.
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MapKing R12 has already solved the slow refresh rate issue with their latest update.

i've been wondering.. what's the difference between R12 and 2007? i use mapking 2007 and am pretty happy with it...

shihyong said:
MapKing R12 has already solved the slow refresh rate issue with their latest update.
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you see, using the R12 that comes with Kaiser in the Trinity, there is absolutely no problems at all.
Using the same version of MK2007 on Trinity, there is no problems at all as well.
From what I can comprehend, its the GPS multiplexing software that is causing the problem in the Kaiser.
The R12 fix you are talking about most probably reroutes the signal by bypassing the multiplexer, directly to the GPS COM port.
This way, if you have 2 GPS softwares running at the same time, the 2nd software cannot work. e.g. R12, and GPS photo.
But anyway, since HTC has acknowledged that its a bug, I guess its good to let all know.

sorry this is still confusing me. Is there a problem with gps bursts or not? I thought you said there was, now saying there's not??

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sorry this is still confusing me. Is there a problem with gps bursts or not? I thought you said there was, now saying there's not??
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the GPS signal/stream comes in bursts every 7-8 seconds, unlike in trinity, where its updated frequently.
Since you are using MK2007, you should see that the GPS stream is updated smoothly in it.
what this cause is that your location is updated whenever the burst comes in.
So if you are driving, and it tell yous to "exit at the intersection ahead", you may have already passed it.
I used the EXACT same copy of MK2007 on both trinity and Kaiser.
Trinity ok, Kaiser NG (bursts)
Using the EXACT same copy of MKR12 from Kaiser on trinity, its ok, but when you install it on Kaiser, you get the bursts... and you need to use the updated version on the Kaiser to workaround this issue.
Matrix:
------------MK2007-------MKR12------
Kaiser -------NG------------NG-------|
Trinity-------OK------------OK-------|
So to me, its a problem, and HTC acknowledged that its a bug.