just wondering if some of you that upgraded from a trinity to a Kaiser are happy with it.. Was thinking about getting one.. have been trying an iphone, but the lack of good pda features is killing me..
so i've been looking at getting a kaiser, but without a lot of nice cooked roms out yet and stuff, i was just wondering what you guys thought about it.
racerx_ said:
just wondering if some of you that upgraded from a trinity to a Kaiser are happy with it.. Was thinking about getting one.. have been trying an iphone, but the lack of good pda features is killing me..
so i've been looking at getting a kaiser, but without a lot of nice cooked roms out yet and stuff, i was just wondering what you guys thought about it.
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I will take the Kaiser anytime over the trinity, save the bug of the bulk updates on the GPS system.
Just using the stock ROM and add on the softwares that I need, and its great.
The response is faster than the trinity.
The GPS system is definitely a lot faster. Can get fix almost immediate.
Not sure about the peeling off issue will happen to Kaiser. Just got mine for few days.
racerx_ said:
just wondering if some of you that upgraded from a trinity to a Kaiser are happy with it.. Was thinking about getting one.. have been trying an iphone, but the lack of good pda features is killing me..
so i've been looking at getting a kaiser, but without a lot of nice cooked roms out yet and stuff, i was just wondering what you guys thought about it.
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Hello my friend, I have changed to HTC Tytn II, and man what a big change, loving the new one and not even missing the trinity a bit, the Kaiser is for sure a keeper, its a show piece, high quality material finish, no peeling issues, keyboard with a lovely tilt, GPS is outstanding; by the time you start the nav app your gps is fixed , and not forgetting the big space in both ram and rom, I do recommend the Kaiser to everybody, and would always look forward to see a Kasierguides.info by racerx_
Yep - I was a Trinity owner and for me , I got really frustrated at not having a proper keyboard - solved with the Kaiser!!!
Plus it has a lot more memory available, especially with a cooked ROM..
Cheers
John
I also upgraded my Trinity to Kaiser, and I fully agree with taiseer999.
He forgot to mention the Trinity MiniSD issue with disappearing files and stuff. the Kaiser dont have this issue at all.
The down side for me in compare to the Trinity is the size and the weight, and also the BT Headset sound. but other than that, all perfect for me.
helllo....
i'm using trinity before i get brand new htc tytn II.For me,htc tytn II is better than trinity in all department.Because of that i sold my trinity.
For Iphone i had too for a week,but i cant compare those two devices because there build for different purpose and differrent os,but the two of devices is good.....
cheers
Kaiser feel very solid when compared to trinity. But the weight difference is quite big. But love every moment with it. GPS connection is definitely faster. Haven't tried cook rom yet since the ROM/RAM size is double of trinity.
Keyboard is good but with new software keyboard like touchpal. Hardware keyboard is no longer a necessity.
thanks everybody for the feedback.. very helpful. Sounds like no one's looking back...
taiseer999 said:
Hello my friend, I have changed to HTC Tytn II, and man what a big change, loving the new one and not even missing the trinity a bit, the Kaiser is for sure a keeper, its a show piece, high quality material finish, no peeling issues, keyboard with a lovely tilt, GPS is outstanding; by the time you start the nav app your gps is fixed , and not forgetting the big space in both ram and rom, I do recommend the Kaiser to everybody, and would always look forward to see a Kasierguides.info by racerx_
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hey... taiseer.. didn't know you'd jumped over to Kaiser-land!! haha.. well, you're definitely making me think of getting one.. not sure about the weight, but otherwise maybe it's the phone for me.. we'll see about kaiserguides.info haha.. but we need 1) me to get a kaiser and 2) a lot of good chefs and yummy roms..
will update you.. guess i can sell the iphone and the trinity and snag one..
what was that mentioned in an earlier message about GPS batch updates? i didn't follow that..
racerx_ said:
what was that mentioned in an earlier message about GPS batch updates? i didn't follow that..
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the GPS stream does not come in smoothly like the trinity, but instead, it comes in bursts every 8 seconds or so.
The updates on voice navigation is therefore somewhat delayed at times.
Sometimes, it can tell me to exit at the intersection ahead, where I have already passed it.
This is with the bundled R12 Mapking (for asia), and Mapking 2007 (retail).
hangyong said:
the GPS stream does not come in smoothly like the trinity, but instead, it comes in bursts every 8 seconds or so.
The updates on voice navigation is therefore somewhat delayed at times.
Sometimes, it can tell me to exit at the intersection ahead, where I have already passed it.
This is with the bundled R12 Mapking (for asia), and Mapking 2007 (retail).
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There is a software update for R12:
http://mapking.com.sg/download/MapKing R12/TyTn II/TytnII_Setup_MapKingR12.zip
For MapKing 2007, you can use GPSproxy + Mapking to improve the refresh rate.
shihyong said:
There is a software update for R12:
http://mapking.com.sg/download/MapKing R12/TyTn II/TytnII_Setup_MapKingR12.zip
For MapKing 2007, you can use GPSproxy + Mapking to improve the refresh rate.
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well, HTC Asia has confirmed that its a bug, so they should solve the problem, although there are workarounds.
Until that happens, its still a bug in their ROM.
hangyong said:
well, HTC Asia has confirmed that its a bug, so they should solve the problem, although there are workarounds.
Until that happens, its still a bug in their ROM.
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MapKing R12 has already solved the slow refresh rate issue with their latest update.
i've been wondering.. what's the difference between R12 and 2007? i use mapking 2007 and am pretty happy with it...
shihyong said:
MapKing R12 has already solved the slow refresh rate issue with their latest update.
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you see, using the R12 that comes with Kaiser in the Trinity, there is absolutely no problems at all.
Using the same version of MK2007 on Trinity, there is no problems at all as well.
From what I can comprehend, its the GPS multiplexing software that is causing the problem in the Kaiser.
The R12 fix you are talking about most probably reroutes the signal by bypassing the multiplexer, directly to the GPS COM port.
This way, if you have 2 GPS softwares running at the same time, the 2nd software cannot work. e.g. R12, and GPS photo.
But anyway, since HTC has acknowledged that its a bug, I guess its good to let all know.
sorry this is still confusing me. Is there a problem with gps bursts or not? I thought you said there was, now saying there's not??
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sorry this is still confusing me. Is there a problem with gps bursts or not? I thought you said there was, now saying there's not??
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the GPS signal/stream comes in bursts every 7-8 seconds, unlike in trinity, where its updated frequently.
Since you are using MK2007, you should see that the GPS stream is updated smoothly in it.
what this cause is that your location is updated whenever the burst comes in.
So if you are driving, and it tell yous to "exit at the intersection ahead", you may have already passed it.
I used the EXACT same copy of MK2007 on both trinity and Kaiser.
Trinity ok, Kaiser NG (bursts)
Using the EXACT same copy of MKR12 from Kaiser on trinity, its ok, but when you install it on Kaiser, you get the bursts... and you need to use the updated version on the Kaiser to workaround this issue.
Matrix:
------------MK2007-------MKR12------
Kaiser -------NG------------NG-------|
Trinity-------OK------------OK-------|
So to me, its a problem, and HTC acknowledged that its a bug.
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Hey guys, hope you can help.
Successfully updated my V1615 to WM6.1 on Friday.
Before I did this, I had TomTom installed which used to get a lock on to the satellites in less than 30 seconds.
I used the device with TomTom on Saturday and after an initial delay of locking on (which I assumed normal as it was a fresh install) it worked.
However trying to use it today and it just will not pick up a signal.
The ROM I used was the Vodafone one linked to from the Wiki list. (3.08.161.0) (Radio 1.64.08.21).
I have also tried Changing the Radio ROM to 1.65.17.10 but no difference.
It's set to Other NMEA device, 4800 baud and COM4 like it always was. I have run a QuickGPS download.
Strange thing is, when I go into the GPS config in TomTom I used have all the satellites listed in gray which would then turn blue when locked on but now they aren't listed at all.
Please help! I do have a bluetooth gps receiver from when I had my Hermes so I can get but part of the reason to get the Kaiser is so I have an all in one unit. I'm just in the middle of a hard reset to try again but does anyone have any thoughts on the matter? It's gone from being a brilliant GPS unit to a dodo!
Thanks!
Test if Google Maps finds some satelittes, just to check if there is a problem with TomTom
http://www.google.co.uk/mobile/gmm/stp-js.html
If that doesn't work, I'd reinstall the old ROM and see if the functionality returns and if it doesn't assume you have somehow broken the GPS.
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Hey guys, hope you can help.
Successfully updated my V1615 to WM6.1 on Friday.
Before I did this, I had TomTom installed which used to get a lock on to the satellites in less than 30 seconds.
I used the device with TomTom on Saturday and after an initial delay of locking on (which I assumed normal as it was a fresh install) it worked.
However trying to use it today and it just will not pick up a signal.
The ROM I used was the Vodafone one linked to from the Wiki list. (3.08.161.0) (Radio 1.64.08.21).
I have also tried Changing the Radio ROM to 1.65.17.10 but no difference.
It's set to Other NMEA device, 4800 baud and COM4 like it always was. I have run a QuickGPS download.
Strange thing is, when I go into the GPS config in TomTom I used have all the satellites listed in gray which would then turn blue when locked on but now they aren't listed at all.
Please help! I do have a bluetooth gps receiver from when I had my Hermes so I can get but part of the reason to get the Kaiser is so I have an all in one unit. I'm just in the middle of a hard reset to try again but does anyone have any thoughts on the matter? It's gone from being a brilliant GPS unit to a dodo!
Thanks!
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wow you picked the wrong radio to change too. You should have read about it before changing to 1.65.17.10. You should do some research on what you did to yourself.
redbandana said:
wow you picked the wrong radio to change too. You should have read about it before changing to 1.65.17.10. You should do some research on what you did to yourself.
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Well he already said 1.64 didn't work either. Maybe you should read what's written.
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Well he already said 1.64 didn't work either. Maybe you should read what's written.
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Maybe you should read the thread that redbandana is talking about... maybe the bit about it being locked to your phone and you can't downgrade it... not really a good choice 'cos he's now stuck with that radio and also maybe stuck with WM6.1 (which also sucks - WM6.0 faster and more stable imho).
I had to do a hard reset and reinstall apps. TomTom no longer works. LiveSearch does RunGPS does. Neither TomTom or GPSTest can find the GPS. Any suggestions? When you choose other NMEA device in TomTom options are Serial on USB and COM7: that's it.
Thanks for any suggestions.
Well, it works now! I used to be able to get a lock on indoors, but now I can't. However if I go outside I cado get a lock on in TomTom. It seems like the GPS is now less sensitive, but hey, it works aand that's the main thing.
I'll do a search later but does anyone have a link to the thread regarding this dodgy radio. I did try and downgrade it but as you say, it didn't. I have some more coming in this week anyway so I can give this to someone who doesn't need/want GPS and I'll have the shiny new one. Ah the joys of working in IT!
Oh, and thanks to IK for the Google Maps link, brilliant app! I'd seen it on the PC but not pocket PC.
FWIW, my Tomtom uses the "Internal GPS" setting, not "other NMEA device"
Robert
funkygibbon said:
Well, it works now! I used to be able to get a lock on indoors, but now I can't. However if I go outside I cado get a lock on in TomTom. It seems like the GPS is now less sensitive, but hey, it works aand that's the main thing.
I'll do a search later but does anyone have a link to the thread regarding this dodgy radio. I did try and downgrade it but as you say, it didn't. I have some more coming in this week anyway so I can give this to someone who doesn't need/want GPS and I'll have the shiny new one. Ah the joys of working in IT!
Oh, and thanks to IK for the Google Maps link, brilliant app! I'd seen it on the PC but not pocket PC.
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This is the link for the 'dodgy radio'. It looks like it is also an AT&T only radio.
Thanks ach2. Did a search and have spent all morning readin it!
I'm now having issues with the actual phone operation, intermitant no sound or buzzing.
I think I'm going to take a chance and return it to Vodafone. They do a next day swap under our corporate contract.
If there is any comeback I'll just plead ignorance!
Satrted to have the buzzing earpiece and broken camera issue with this radio, so it's gone back to Vodafone as faulty! Replacement is currently still on stock Vodafone WM6.0 ROM. To be honest I think I'll stick with 6.0, as 6.1 didn't really offer anything over it.
Roll on 7.0!!
funkygibbon said:
Satrted to have the buzzing earpiece and broken camera issue with this radio, so it's gone back to Vodafone as faulty! Replacement is currently still on stock Vodafone WM6.0 ROM. To be honest I think I'll stick with 6.0, as 6.1 didn't really offer anything over it.
Roll on 7.0!!
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If you're sticking to WM6.0 (i do too) try Q-mobile 1.2 with radio 1.27.12.17 or 1.27.12.32 - they both work well in the UK.
funkygibbon said:
To be honest I think I'll stick with 6.0, as 6.1 didn't really offer anything over it.
Roll on 7.0!!
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My friend, you need this (Vodafone WM 6.1 pre release) and use it with this Niki 1.58.11.07 Radio.
Been running this for a few days and basically I've changed my opinion on my V1615 from wanting to sell to now enjoying using it.
Highlights include 30 - 55 second GPS fix in TomTom, much much better speaker phone and better call quality.
Try these out and I'm sure you'll agree.
Thanks guys, maybe I'll try them over the weekend.
Actually, that Vodafone 6.1 ROM is the one I tried and to be honest I didn't see much difference between that and the stock 6.0 one.
As long as I'm outside I get a lock on in TomTom in about 15 seconds which is good enough for me. On my old one that I bricked I was sure I used to get a signal inside as well.
I'm just looking at the Wiki for the Q-mobile one.
Thanks again for the help, suggestions and info. This is what makes the internet great! Complete strangers helping each other out.
funkygibbon said:
Thanks guys, maybe I'll try them over the weekend.
Actually, that Vodafone 6.1 ROM is the one I tried and to be honest I didn't see much difference between that and the stock 6.0 one.
As long as I'm outside I get a lock on in TomTom in about 15 seconds which is good enough for me. On my old one that I bricked I was sure I used to get a signal inside as well.
I'm just looking at the Wiki for the Q-mobile one.
Thanks again for the help, suggestions and info. This is what makes the internet great! Complete strangers helping each other out.
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Do you not experience the key lock bug in WM 6? Was one of the main reasons why I upgraded to 6.1.
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Do you not experience the key lock bug in WM 6? Was one of the main reasons why I upgraded to 6.1.
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What's that? Is that the one where you press end call to end a call and sometimes it locks your touch screen? If so yes, but not very often.
Yeah something to do with when you set your device with a password and it goes into sleep mode during a call and then you wake it up and the start menu stops working.
Hey everybody, problem is as follows:
Installation works without problems, and after disabling HTC Home it starts properly. Everything seems to work fine, but after a few minutes of navigation it crashes! Screen freezes and no input is possible. Only way to get out is a soft reset.
does anybody have an idea how to solve the issue? would be thankfull for every suggestion!
by the way, I use Dutty's latest ROM [Jun 07] (Dutty's Diamond V1 Build 19588)
greetings!
ok... it's even worse now!
i uninstalled and reinstalled IGO8. and now it doesn't even start up anymore. well it tries to. the starting screen shows up, and it starts processing. but at some point the whole device (kaiser) just collapses and starts up completely new!
please! someone tell me whats going on!
First: Search in rom tread
Secound: Post rom related question in rom tread (yes this is rom related)
This issue been discussed in about every new build tread since Duttys april 29 hybrid. You will find youre answer in V1 tread, and before you flip. Its normal, youre kaiser isnt dying
Just desactivate AGPS :
Edit the registry HKLM/Software/HTC/SUPL AGPS/
Set 0 to EnableAGPS key.
Restart your kaiser, relaunch IGO8 and enjoy
DrQ is half-right...
You also need to disable HTC-Home if you're under WM6.1 AFAIK.
thanks for your answers...
even though I'm quite new to all of this, I found out myself that aGPS and HTC have to be disabled. I did both, but the problem exists. that's why I posted.
raiisak, thanks for your comment! I think you're also talking bout the aGPS and HTC-home disabling "fix" ... cause I looked over the Dutty V1 thread more than once without finding an other post concerning this problem...
I guess I will just do what Dutty did: going back to his APR 29th build. That one was stable and everything worked without problems. also I share his opinion that 6.1 sucks.
regards!
No.. iGO8 crashes like *crazy* on my stock ATT Tilt (shipped ROM/Radio/etc). If it doesn't crash it locks it up and I have to poke the reset hole.
I'll try disabling AGPS to see if that helps.. I don't have HTC Home installed, although I did a while back.
khaytsus said:
No.. iGO8 crashes like *crazy* on my stock ATT Tilt (shipped ROM/Radio/etc). If it doesn't crash it locks it up and I have to poke the reset hole.
I'll try disabling AGPS to see if that helps.. I don't have HTC Home installed, although I did a while back.
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AT&T Stock with Bloat? Cause th bloat really makes the Tilt suck.
As long as HTC Home isn't running. Igo and HTC Home share a file. But like twin brothers they don't share it well.
You need to dump dutty
I wasted hours of my life getting iGo8 to work with my Kaiser. Unfortunately it's a bigger problem than just uninstalling HTC Home (if you can) and disabling A-GPS.
In the end I dumped Dutty and flashed L26_Kaiser_Diamond_V8_light release by Laurentius26. This solved all the problems. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400118
Only thing that doesn't work with this ROM are custom keyboards (SIP), such as PCM Keyboard. Apart from that iGo8 works a treat
mb said:
I wasted hours of my life getting iGo8 to work with my Kaiser. Unfortunately it's a bigger problem than just uninstalling HTC Home (if you can) and disabling A-GPS.
In the end I dumped Dutty and flashed L26_Kaiser_Diamond_V8_light release by Laurentius26. This solved all the problems. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400118
Only thing that doesn't work with this ROM are custom keyboards (SIP), such as PCM Keyboard. Apart from that iGo8 works a treat
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best solution so far, flash to this rom just to test, deactivate aGPS AND EVERYTHING RUNS GOOD SO FAR
sampcyn718 said:
best solution so far, flash to this rom just to test, deactivate aGPS AND EVERYTHING RUNS GOOD SO FAR
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Of course lol... it does not have HTC Home included.
You have to disable HTC Home, and disable A-GPS to get iGO8 to work under WM6.1.
cartonneexpress said:
thanks for your answers...
even though I'm quite new to all of this, I found out myself that aGPS and HTC have to be disabled. I did both, but the problem exists. that's why I posted.
raiisak, thanks for your comment! I think you're also talking bout the aGPS and HTC-home disabling "fix" ... cause I looked over the Dutty V1 thread more than once without finding an other post concerning this problem...
I guess I will just do what Dutty did: going back to his APR 29th build. That one was stable and everything worked without problems. also I share his opinion that 6.1 sucks.
regards!
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I run IGO8 with Dutty's Diamond V1 without problems (if I disable HTC Home, that is). The reboots have something with either the legality of your IGO8 release, or with the fact that you dumped to many POI files in the POI directory (i.e. all available countries). In Dutty's Hybrid V2 this was not an issue, and it must have something to do with memory management in the Diamond ROM.
@mb: different ROMs work best for different people, no need to be a fanboy.
JimmyMcGee said:
AT&T Stock with Bloat? Cause th bloat really makes the Tilt suck.
As long as HTC Home isn't running. Igo and HTC Home share a file. But like twin brothers they don't share it well.
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As mentioned in this thread, AGPS fixes it. Very odd. iGO has some quirky bugs.. This one I would consider a MAJOR bug, but oh well.. Another bug I noticed (and is on their website in the FAQS) is that their timezone/system time from GPS functionality is hosed.. Always wind up with the time on the PDA being GMT. Have to fiddle to get it to set the time right then disable that functionality or disable it and fix it in WM.
Otherwise, it seems to work well enough.. Wish I had 3d/buildings here to look at, but otherwise the maps look pretty nice with parks and such outlined. Still looking into how to add my own POI's without some silly .net gui in Windows to do it.
Demokiroxx said:
Of course lol... it does not have HTC Home included.
You have to disable HTC Home, and disable A-GPS to get iGO8 to work under WM6.1.
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Just to be pedantic; AGPS is a problem in WM6.0 as well. WM6.1 may require the additional step of disabling HTC Home.
khaytsus said:
Just to be pedantic; AGPS is a problem in WM6.0 as well. WM6.1 may require the additional step of disabling HTC Home.
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No. IGO8 works with HTC Home in Dutty's WM6.1 Hybrid V2. It really depends on the OS version in the specific ROM, be it WM6 or WM6.1.
Tried the rest and went back to the Best. Duttys April 29th Hybrid is staying on my tytn2 now . Dutty will be missed here.
dani31 said:
No. IGO8 works with HTC Home in Dutty's WM6.1 Hybrid V2. It really depends on the OS version in the specific ROM, be it WM6 or WM6.1.
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Missed the "may" part huh? Or got hung up on the 6.1 part? I suppose I shouldn't have even mentioned WM 6.1.
khaytsus said:
Missed the "may" part huh? Or got hung up on the 6.1 part? I suppose I shouldn't have even mentioned WM 6.1.
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I guess you were just too pedantic ... but you're right, I think I missed the may part. Regards.
Hi,
I've updated my kaiser with the original wm6.1 update from htc.
Since then it takes forever to get a fix. Once i have one the signal is as strong as before.
It takes over 10 min to get a fix if i even get one at all...
I use TomTom v6 (032.8351) as navigator using the build-in receiver option.
QuickGPS is always up-to-date so that's not the problem.
Is there a way to test the gps hardware and/or settings?
CoolCow said:
Hi,
I've updated my kaiser with the original wm6.1 update from htc.
Since then it takes forever to get a fix. Once i have one the signal is as strong as before.
It takes over 10 min to get a fix if i even get one at all...
I use TomTom v6 (032.8351) as navigator using the build-in receiver option.
QuickGPS is always up-to-date so that's not the problem.
Is there a way to test the gps hardware and/or settings?
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Same here, does the GPS really use the QuickGPS update? It seems it uses really old definitions or something. Does a custom baked ROM, like a Dutty rom, fix this prob?
Has either one of you disabled AGPS (Assissted GPS)?
Yes, it is disabled here.
bio88 said:
Yes, it is disabled here.
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Did u ever use app like gpstest or gpstool? they are very helpfull in "kicking up" the gps signal.
Where can i get this?
bio88 said:
Where can i get this?
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gpstest is a freeware, u can get it in P1Taters "storage", he has got it in his signature(its in cabs/a must for me).
Or try to google it.
AGPS is quite different, it's disabled by default in most ROMs including the new 6.1 update, no surprise there.
QuickGPS is separate and should be working, and indeed appears to be working just fine, but for whatever reason the data is collects just isn't being used by the GPS in 6.1 ROMs. This has been discussed here at length (search for "hopeless GPS") and there's no solution in sight. Some claim not to have the problem, for others it's all too obvious. We can all get quick fixes from time to time, but the consistent reliability from the old 6.0 ROMs is completely gone in 6.1.
Every registry tweak, "GPS test" and radio change suggested here has proven to be a placebo so far - I'm just waiting (forever, probably) for a patch from HTC.
The same problem is also mentioned in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=397728 I hope that someone will find a solution...
Sorry guys, but after sofreset I get first fix after 1-2 minutes and after that when I launch iGO I get a fix after some seconds(10-20).
Boinng said:
AGPS is quite different, it's disabled by default in most ROMs including the new 6.1 update, no surprise there.
QuickGPS is separate and should be working, and indeed appears to be working just fine, but for whatever reason the data is collects just isn't being used by the GPS in 6.1 ROMs. This has been discussed here at length (search for "hopeless GPS") and there's no solution in sight. Some claim not to have the problem, for others it's all too obvious. We can all get quick fixes from time to time, but the consistent reliability from the old 6.0 ROMs is completely gone in 6.1.
Every registry tweak, "GPS test" and radio change suggested here has proven to be a placebo so far - I'm just waiting (forever, probably) for a patch from HTC.
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For you maybe. Mine seems to work flawless. Every time I try, it works.
BTW, AGPS is not always disabled. Yes it is different but it might be interfering with the GPS software. It did in one of Dutty's roms i beta tested for him.
@ everyone else. Here is some cabs that might help speed up GPS Locks. Keyword is "might".
GPS Test >>http://www.4shared.com/file/39878866/6000e5dc/GPSTestppc.html
Quick GPS >>http://www.4shared.com/file/41184769/2d4081af/HTCQuickGPS_1_00_919717_01.html
Schap's Quick GPS >>http://www.4shared.com/file/39881509/516514c3/Schaps_QuickGPS_1_00_17201933_00_WWE.html
GPS Tool >>http://www.4shared.com/file/36654853/c713bfd1/Nadavi_HTC_GPS_TOOL.html
Mikulec said:
Sorry guys, but after sofreset I get first fix after 1-2 minutes and after that when I launch iGO I get a fix after some seconds(10-20).
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Congratulations?
I can sometimes get first fix after 1-2 minutes, the problem is that other times (seemingly at random) it can be 5, 10, 15, or 20 minutes. Without properly functioning QuickGPS, it's basically luck of the draw.
Once you've had a lock, the data is retained for some hours (unless you reset) so subsequent fixes will usually be fairly instanteneous, even for me. None of this really helps.
Like I said before, some people claim not to have the problem, some of them may even be right, but unfortunately for others the problem definitely exists, and nobody's put their finger on the cause.
P1Tater said:
For you maybe. Mine seems to work flawless. Every time I try, it works.
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Great. This definitely proves my GPS is fine after all. Thanks for all your help.
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@ everyone else. Here is some cabs that might help speed up GPS Locks. Keyword is "might".
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Keyword is "placebo". Running a different GPS app before the actual GPS app you want to use doesn't actually speed anything up, it just makes it seem like you're "doing something". All software like GPS Test does is open a port to your GPS and try to get a fix - do you think TomTom doesn't do that already?
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Like I said before, some people claim not to have the problem, some of them may even be right
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So, those that don't have the issue are liars? Good luck figuring it out. I don't feel like having this argument on whether or not mine is working. Childish in my opinion, so I'll just move on. I believe it's quite ignorant to insult those that have tried to help whether by posting cabs or possible advice
@ everyone else, I posted some links to some cabs that might help or might not. I hope they do help those that indeed need it and not those that just want to complain. Good luck.
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So, those that don't have the issue are liars?
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Yes of course, they're damned dirty liars, all of them.
Or they've misunderstood the problem.
Or they've just tried their GPS for the first time in weeks and gotten a reasonably quick fix, just like any of us (myself included) could have done on any random occasion (consistency is the key in this).
Or they're running a completely different ROM/Radio and haven't really been paying attention (that wouldn't be you would it?)
Point is, I'd strongly encourage anyone genuinely experiencing this problem not to bother even reading this thread, just get onto HTC for a fix. All the potions and pills being suggested here are a waste of time; they've all been tried, and they don't work.
I believe it's quite ignorant to insult those that have tried to help whether by posting cabs or possible advice
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Bully for you. I believe it's quite ignorant (not to mention bloody irritating) to come onto a thread about a problem you've obviously not experienced, and try to suggest that problem doesn't exist, or that we won't have already tried all the most blindingly obvious fixes for it. But ce la vie.
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Or they're running a completely different ROM/Radio and haven't really been paying attention (that wouldn't be you would it?)
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Yup, that's me. I ignored all issues reported and used a different rom/radio combination to try and fix the issue. Oops. BTW, I never once stated the problem did not exist, as I know it does for some. You stated those that say they are not experiencing the problem are mistaken.
All I can say is that my combination is working for me. I use GPS at least 3 times a week and I always get a fix in under 20 sec. Dutty's June 8 rom and radio 1.58.25.17. Yes, this rom does have issues, but the issue's that it does have do not pertain to me as I dont use the apps that the issues involve.
OMG, this thread is going in the other direction that was supposed.
U try to help him and u get a slap in the face instead of simple THANK YOU.
Nice attitude man.
I know, jeez, isn't it? Crikey. Just goes to show. Who'd have thought it.
Anyway, if you've updated your HTC Tytn II to the new WM 6.1 update, and have been experiencing erratic GPS performance ever since, please do contact HTC Support at their website (www.htc.com) and register a bug report there. That's the only way we're all going to get a fix. Thanks!
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I use GPS at least 3 times a week and I always get a fix in under 20 sec.
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You get a fix in less than 20 seconds after a cold start of Gps? This is exactly the problem i'm dealing with WM6.1 roms. I can't get a fix in less than 2 minutes (cold start) and i have tried many 6.1 roms and many radios. In WM6 roms i get a fix in less than 20 seconds. Can you please tell me which rom do you have installed in your Kaiser? Thank you
Edit: Please give me a link for this rom you are using. Thank you
Thanks for the tips.
I'll try the tools, see if that dous anything good, otherwise i'll send a verry irritated e-mail to htc.
Btw, has anyone tried other navigation software like iGo, MioMap or Destinator?
Same problems?
And if there is no way to fix it for now, is it possible to downgrade to the original WM6?
A hard reset won't bring it back to WM6 i gues?
Just wondering if anyone's TomTom 6 or 7 is as slow as the one as this video I made or is yours running smoothly. Would have though TomTom would have ran much better than this due the the GPU acceleration
Even though it's a VGA screen my Tytn 2 was running this much, much faster, not far off silky smooth . The TomTom in the video is v7 VGA running the latest v7.20 maps (tested also with TomTom 6 QVGA running v6 maps and was just as slow).
Am posting this as reading some posts here and people are saying my TomTom is running smoothly, mines running perfectly, no lag etc.
Look forward to your feedback
Excuse the background noise, forgot to remove it
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v604/Radeon/?action=view¤t=MOV04324.flv
im using tomtom7 that came with some of the original diamond roms and the free map that you get for one city from tomtom's site and it runs flawlessly.
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im using tomtom7 that came with some of the original diamond roms and the free map that you get for one city from tomtom's site and it runs flawlessly.
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What rom version are you running?
Wouldn't mind trying it.
i've run tomtom (both 6 and 7 with your same map) on ALL the ROM that we have at this moment for ours diamond , always smoothly.
neither my polaris have problem like that in your video , my be you have too many POI activated.
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Just wondering if anyone's TomTom 6 or 7 is as slow as the one as this video
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Yep, mine is as ****ty as yours. That is the reason I liked Tomtom is it's smooth movement..... not on the Diamond though, might as well run a slideshow, could possibly be faster.
hi radeon, it seems that i have the same problem as you.
till now i'm thinking it's because of the gps refresh rate, but i'm not really sure
because this should offend all diamond users...
but for me the major problem of using any gps software at the moment is the
enormous lag at low speeds. when i'm in a traffic jam the position updates approx.
only every 100m, and the actual speed is also very slow in changing it's values (i'm
standing still and the tachymetre shows still ~10km/h for a few seconds...
i guess this is because the static navigation of the chipset.
regards,
markus
Hi
I had the same problem on my first tomtom, you display too much POIs, try to disable a lot of POI and retest.
POI's Rubbish
It has nothing to do with the number of POI's. I have run the exact same version of TTN and the exact same map on a Treo 750 with ALL POI's activated and it was as smooth as my Tomtom GO720.
I just find it hard to beleive that my old Palm ran faster??????
Dont know why but it isnt POI's.
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Hi
I had the same problem on my first tomtom, you display too much POIs, try to disable a lot of POI and retest.
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I always make sure my POI's are disabled otherwise TomTom would run a lot slower than that video .
Smartstradamus said:
im using tomtom7 that came with some of the original diamond roms and the free map that you get for one city from tomtom's site and it runs flawlessly.
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Well I would like to see that "flawlessly" on a video!
I just can't believe the current TomToms run flawlessly on the current Diamond ROMs. Till I see it myself.
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Well I would like to see that "flawlessly" on a video!
I just can't believe the current TomToms run flawlessly on the current Diamond ROMs. Till I see it myself.
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Would love to see this to
Just as a test, I removed all my POI's and voices from the map folder and ran TomTom with as little on screen as possible, also disabled all street names etc, did a demo run and it ran at exactly the same speed as that video.
I'm running the TLR 1.37.405.1 rom at the moment, so hopefully this maybe a rom issue because the GPU is doing bugger all to help run TomTom, seems the CPU is doing everything, and being a VGA screen that's why it's a lot slower than my old Tytn 2 which the CPU did everything there to.
This is the only issue I have with the Diamond and it's an annoying one
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Well I would like to see that "flawlessly" on a video!
I just can't believe the current TomToms run flawlessly on the current Diamond ROMs. Till I see it myself.
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Trust me when i say that you need the tomtom version that was shipped on certain roms.
I would give you a link but im sure the xda guys would class it as warez!
I have a uk diamond that didnt come with tomtom7 but i have a license for tomtom so i found the optimized version for the diamond.
Hello there,
I bought a week ago a second hand kaiser, and i noticed that it already had the hyper dragon IV lite rom flashed, so i told myself, all the hard work is done, go try some custom roms.
And I did, there was some lite ones, some plenty of softwares, some 6.5, but the thing i want from this phone is: THE GPS and the MP3 player, thos are the most important things for me, since i am all the time moving here and there, i really need them.
So, in order to be a more independant guy, i searched, and i searched again, i found some useful threads that made my gps work (because it almost wasn't working i bought it), and some others that made GPSTest display high bars on gps detecting but no fix at all (it also screwed my signal, and fu**** up my camera, and that's bad), all that by changing radio roms and trying.
And well i am very tired of trying again and again, feel just like if i was stuck in the middle of nowhere.
So, my questions:
Does the gps really work better on 6.0wm than the 6.1 and 6.5?
Does the gps really work better on stock roms than cooked ones?
Does the quickgps software really improve the speed to get a FIX?
How long are the bars your devices display when you activate your GPSTest soft? (i'm having a quarter max, and when i say a quarter, it is really the down limit of the quarter, it rarely go upper)
I have a tomtom 7.450 soft, and this thing is all the time saying bad gps reception (sometimes it even end up screaming no gps harware), is it normal?
So what software do you use for navigation?
I really don't care about cooked roms optimisations, fast and everything and all that, i want to be able to answer and emit calls, receive and send SMS, write some notes from time to time, and make GPS working great, wanna have a super fast fix.
I'm living at Brussel in belgium, living in the 5th floor, and testing my gps close to window, or i go to a parc 10 minutes away from home.
I am ready to try almost everything that can guis ALL of US to have a better GPS!
This works for me.
neolander said:
but the thing i want from this phone is: THE GPS and the MP3 player, thos are the most important things for me, since i am all the time moving here and there, i really need them.
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I can relate to that as they are both near the top of my priority list too.
<long tales of perserverance snipped>
So, my questions:
Does the gps really work better on 6.0wm than the 6.1 and 6.5?
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In my experience solely with Official HTC ROMs (which don't include WM 6.5 of course) yes - and by a longggg shot.
Does the gps really work better on stock roms than cooked ones?
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I've heard it does but they'd have to do pretty well to surpass the GPS performance and simplicity I'm getting from my current setup.
Does the quickgps software really improve the speed to get a FIX?
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As I charge my TyTN II by putting it to bed in its cradle every night (which is connected via USB to my PC on the internet), it automatically updates its QuickGPS data so it's hardly ever more than a day old any way. Often times during a day while I've got an active data connection I'll also manually initiate a QuickGPS download. Interestingly, the HTC Official WM 6.1 'update' for my TyTN II broke this feature and QuickGPS wouldn't automatically update when plugged into its cradle - even manual updates didn't make a difference though as far as WM 6.1 was concerned.
How long are the bars your devices display when you activate your GPSTest soft? (i'm having a quarter max, and when i say a quarter, it is really the down limit of the quarter, it rarely go upper)
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I don't (need to) use that software as GPS performs fine without it on my setup.
I have a tomtom 7.450 soft, and this thing is all the time saying bad gps reception (sometimes it even end up screaming no gps harware), is it normal?
So what software do you use for navigation?
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I have version 6.032 which came with my HTC Branded TyTN II on an accompanying CDROM. It's still avail for purchase although for some crazy reason TomTom wont sell version 7 or even an upgrade to it so there's no official way to buy it except for on the devices it comes with. If you get hold of version 6 from TomTom on a device kitted out as per mine, it will work and work well - unless you have lead lined walls and heat reflective film on your windows in which case you'll only get good performance outside.
I really don't care about cooked roms optimisations, fast and everything and all that, i want to be able to answer and emit calls, receive and send SMS, write some notes from time to time, and make GPS working great, wanna have a super fast fix.
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Similar priorities to me, the only true speed/performance related area I find important is GPS, reliability is the next preference and thats where the Radio version I'm using comes into things. I found that although 1.27.12.11 gave quick GPS fixes, sometimes when Pocket Media Player was playing a music or video file, it'd stall its playback while waiting for TomTom to get a fix. Radio version 1.27.12.32 fixes this and also gives quick GPS fixes. I have tried even newer radios (2 versions of 1.27.15.32) but alas as is with the case of many of the newer offerings, that was a step backwards in terms of GPS performance (at least here in the UK (/Europe?).
There is a section in the xda-dev wiki all about improving GPS performance if you haven't already found it.
I had tomtom 7 and the gps fix in that software was horrible for me. Even when google maps and gpstest had a good fix, tomtom would say "bad signal" or "no signal. I switched to igo which locks in after a minute and works perfectly. The other problem that could be affecting you might be the radio version. I had one radio that would make my GPS useless; it would never connect. Try changing your radios and see if that helps.
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In my experience solely with Official HTC ROMs (which don't include WM 6.5 of course) yes - and by a longggg shot.
I've heard it does but they'd have to do pretty well to surpass the GPS performance and simplicity I'm getting from my current setup.
As I charge my TyTN II by putting it to bed in its cradle every night (which is connected via USB to my PC on the internet), it automatically updates its QuickGPS data so it's hardly ever more than a day old any way. Often times during a day while I've got an active data connection I'll also manually initiate a QuickGPS download. Interestingly, the HTC Official WM 6.1 'update' for my TyTN II broke this feature and QuickGPS wouldn't automatically update when plugged into its cradle - even manual updates didn't make a difference though as far as WM 6.1 was concerned.
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Okay, i'll try to find a stock 6.0 rom and give it a shot, do i have to flash a stock radio rom (even if don't understand how we could modify radio roms...)
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I have version 6.032 which came with my HTC Branded TyTN II on an accompanying CDROM. It's still avail for purchase although for some crazy reason TomTom wont sell version 7 or even an upgrade to it so there's no official way to buy it except for on the devices it comes with. If you get hold of version 6 from TomTom on a device kitted out as per mine, it will work and work well - unless you have lead lined walls and heat reflective film on your windows in which case you'll only get good performance outside.
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Well, seems that the guy who sold it to me cracked it, i'll give him a call, and may be switch to Igo or an old version of tomtom
I dont have any film on my windows
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Similar priorities to me, the only true speed/performance related area I find important is GPS, reliability is the next preference and thats where the Radio version I'm using comes into things. I found that although 1.27.12.11 gave quick GPS fixes, sometimes when Pocket Media Player was playing a music or video file, it'd stall its playback while waiting for TomTom to get a fix. Radio version 1.27.12.32 fixes this and also gives quick GPS fixes. I have tried even newer radios (2 versions of 1.27.15.32) but alas as is with the case of many of the newer offerings, that was a step backwards in terms of GPS performance (at least here in the UK (/Europe?).
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Just tried this two, and i have no sound on the phone while calling, and no camera (screen remain black)
Flying Kiwi said:
There is a section in the xda-dev wiki all about improving GPS performance if you haven't already found it.
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Euh, which one? I seen so many articles and articles that i'm not sure if i seen it
Edit: are ou talking about this one? :http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=373107
tilt8925kaiser said:
I had tomtom 7 and the gps fix in that software was horrible for me. Even when google maps and gpstest had a good fix, tomtom would say "bad signal" or "no signal. I switched to igo which locks in after a minute and works perfectly. The other problem that could be affecting you might be the radio version. I had one radio that would make my GPS useless; it would never connect. Try changing your radios and see if that helps.
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I tried so much radios, i don't know what to try again ? I even tried some of the polaris radios ...
And like a i said i'll give Igo a shot too
Thank you for your interest, thanks for answering me
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Just flashed back to ROM Version: 1.56.405.5
Radio: 1.27.12.32
But gpstest cannot find the gps, and it stucks on com5 while scanning
And when i close GPSTest i cant launch it again
More than enough to go on
neolander said:
Okay, i'll try to find a stock 6.0 rom and give it a shot, do i have to flash a stock radio rom (even if don't understand how we could modify radio roms...)
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I don't understand what you're getting at. The precise setup in my signature works really well for GPS. If you flash all those components and aren't to far away from the UK, I imagine it'll work well for you - there's no harm in trying.
Well, seems that the guy who sold it to me cracked it, i'll give him a call, and may be switch to Igo or an old version of tomtom
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The map for my 'old' version of TomTom was on special offer (Western Europe 6.75) so you may well pick up a bargain.
I dont have any film on my windows
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I was just kidding about lead lined walls and metalised film covered windows (although many new cars these days have metalised windscreens, so if it doesn't work in your car that may be why).
Just tried this two, and i have no sound on the phone while calling, and no camera (screen remain black)
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Thats because you've not read the relevant ROM Flashing wiki's and stickies enough to know that you must use a WM 6.0 Radio with a WM 6.0 ROM. I suggest you spend more time revising things in this area as it WILL be time well spent and you'll learn more about your device.
Euh, which one? I seen so many articles and articles that i'm not sure if i seen it
Edit: are ou talking about this one? :http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=373107
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Thats one of the links in the relavant section have a look at the TomTom Section around two thirds down the Kaiser wiki
I tried so much radios, i don't know what to try again ? I even tried some of the polaris radios ...
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Well you needent. All the details of what works best (as far as stock components go) are in my sig and as Belgium isn't far from the UK, I cant see why it shouldn't work well for you also
Just flashed back to ROM Version: 1.56.405.5
Radio: 1.27.12.32
But gpstest cannot find the gps, and it stucks on com5 while scanning
And when i close GPSTest i cant launch it again
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You did read the part in the wiki about making sure you have a WM 6.0 compatible SPL version didn't you (SPL questions? section covers it well). Again, you need ALL the bits in my sig (note that I don't need or use GPStest under this WM 6.0 setup). I cant say how it'll go with other than TomTom 6 as thats all I've used apart from Google Maps which also works very well on this setup - you might want to try the free Google Maps for testing purposes if you have a data package from your network provider.
I got my current setup by flashing hardSPL 1 then the complete ROM shown in my sig (which came with 1.27.12.11 Radio originally) then upgrading the radio to 1.27.12.32, then flashing the HTC 1.93 spl (this last step shouldn't be necessary though if you think you'll be doing more flashing).
I'm using the official WM6.1 and the GPS lock is horrible. I can see it getting signal from a number of sats but it can take 10minutes to lock in sometimes. I've read some threads on the subject, and have tried Quick GPS and have aGPS off, but neither guarantees a quick lock.
I seem to recall WM6.0 was better but it was also using a different radio then as well.
Anyway, sorry nothing I can offer to help.
WM 6.1 GPS - standard stuff
dman7777 said:
I'm using the official WM6.1 and the GPS lock is horrible.
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OK - no surprises there then....
I seem to recall WM6.0 was better but it was also using a different radio then as well.
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You mean like the setup in my signature? You do realise it's possible to go back to this if you read up here on xda-dev about how to do so?
Anyway, sorry nothing I can offer to help.
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I agree, short of trying a custom WM 6.1 ROM, with no guarantee of success or installing third party apps to 'help' the GPS work properly, IMO WM 6.1 is a lost cause as far as GPS is concerned.
I had the same problems with the GPS, what I've found to work is using a program called GPSToday. there are 2 programs, one is a today plugin, and the other is a program. I use the program, and it really makes a difference for me. If you do a search in the Kaiser software forum, you will find more information about it. I use it with TomTom software, i start GPS today a min or 2 before i start tomtom and i get a fix right away.
Obie
Kaiser
HyperDragon IV Rhodium
Well Well Well
Great News from Here
I Managed to get my phone configured exactly like yours, and god! It is damnly fast, i got my first fix within seconds, its almost unbelievable !
I had it configured like that when you first advised, but i forgot to downgrade spl, i suppose that was the cause of the malfunctioning.
I really recommend to everyone who have the same priorities, to flash back to Flying Kiwi settings:
ROM Version: 1.56.405.5
ROM Date: 08/28/07
Radio: 1.27.12.32 (better than 1.27.12.11 with WMP)
Protocol: 22.45.88.07H
SPL: 1.93
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Here is the threads that can help you :
For the SPL: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354061
For downloading the 1.56.405.5 rom: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_ROMs
For the 1.27.12.32 radio: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_Radio
Man, you really were very helpful, thank you very very very much, and my kaiser is even faster with this settings.
If i can help by anyway send a pm please
This post should be made sticky for future information!
EDIT:
I have to Warn you Guys: In order to have the GPS working you have to follow this procedure:
Flash the 1.56.405.5 rom and then flash the 1.27.12.32 radio rom, and finally flash the SPL, otherwise GPS will not work, i just tested that
Did the Wm6.0 up/downgrade also resolve the precission of the GPS?
Iam now on WM6.1 WWE with radio 1.70.19.09 and hardSPL 3.56 with a realy fast GPS fix within 30 secs. no problems with that
But the problem is that I mention a little lag kind of thing when navigation with TT7 in my car. The Tomtom arrow is little bit behind with the reality it is usable though but if i connect it to an external sirfIII gps mouse it is more accurate.
So I wonder if you guys also have a slight GPS lag with WM6.0...
in Tomtom