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I'm just curious with all the WM5 buzz and such. Besides seeing "windows mobile 5" are there really any significant differences from WM2003se? Other than lack of software for WM5.
I've done massive amounts of flashing from video cards to motherboards so that's no problem, I'm not here to be a lazy bum and mooch software.
I will say that my 4 of my buddies work with MS mobile department here in STL, MO. They all live by wm2003se, and state WM5 won't be worth touching until next year. (Even for WM5 based phones unlike these)
My other question is for all the flash gods on this site. Out of all the current WM5 roms available here, what would you choose if :
Rarely use bluetooth
Play games
Watch video playback
basic phone services
no camera
no radio
I've 3 of these and would like to compare a couple side by side to see the benchmarks with these user-created roms vs 2003se
atom069 said:
I'm just curious with all the WM5 buzz and such. Besides seeing "windows mobile 5" are there really any significant differences from WM2003se? Other than lack of software for WM5.
I've done massive amounts of flashing from video cards to motherboards so that's no problem, I'm not here to be a lazy bum and mooch software.
I will say that my 4 of my buddies work with MS mobile department here in STL, MO. They all live by wm2003se, and state WM5 won't be worth touching until next year. (Even for WM5 based phones unlike these)
My other question is for all the flash gods on this site. Out of all the current WM5 roms available here, what would you choose if :
Rarely use bluetooth
Play games
Watch video playback
basic phone services
no camera
no radio
I've 3 of these and only use them for that Unfortunately hah.. :roll:
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Of couse your buddirs live with 2003 because there are no wm5 for BA , we had here base on text rom by HTC which came from last year and a lot of people in here to made it work like Universal or Wizard,you can ask your buddies maybe they dont had wm5 rom for BA. :wink: :wink:
I dont think anyone in MS or HTC will make wm5 rom for BA , if you had buddies why you not ask them about AKU3.0 rom for Universal and Wizard ?
haha do what
We're very Close friends of 14yrs fortunately. We have no loyalty to your boy Billy Gates, Sorry dude hah. I'm sure they are not just trying to get me to buy WM5 products haha
I just like to see forums and the modifed MS WM5 stacks (tisk tisk ) and actually benchmark/test to see who knows what, or who's just throwing something out
As for the other modifed roms you're speaking of, Sell and upgrade to faster model
a QVGA to VGA is like going from radio wave cable to high-definition formatting.
Yo
I will say that MS would be lucky to have any of these developers working for them, cheers to you all!
@mwang, if they are working in the dev department i see no reason why they couldn't be making thier statement based on other wm5 devices, or even have these roms theirselves. Anyway, right now i would go with either ivan's or helmi's. If you try antyhing else you will see why.
I'd totally agree with the above...
Ivan's (or thingonasprings version with the RAMdisk) for speed and basic stability
helmi_c's as it has the new AKU2.3 base with Push Mail etc (but still in dev stage so not 'meant' to be as stable, although I've had no issues as yet!)
I've also found TuMa 1.4 very good, but mainly as I use the BT functionality quite a bit which hasn't ben sorted on the newer ROM's yet.
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@mwang, if they are working in the dev department i see no reason why they couldn't be making thier statement based on other wm5 devices, or even have these roms theirselves. Anyway, right now i would go with either ivan's or helmi's. If you try antyhing else you will see why.
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remember the BA already disconnetion from HTC that's why they dont want to make BA for WM5 , bepe and me working with AKU3 for BA , bepe already made text rom for Himayala he post today,I will try anything I can to make life easy
hello everyone!
since two weeks, i am theproud owner of my first pocket pc, a HTC Blue Angel!
i am now running wm2003, but after reading all those posts about upgrading, i am starting to think about doing so myself! but why should i do this?
what are the big advatages of wm2005 compared to wm2003?
are there disadvantages as well? (regarding stability and bugs?)
i would be really glad if yome of the more experienced ba users here could write down their pros & cons for running WM5/WM3 on the BA!
btw: i read thru xplode's upgrading guide (Guide.pdf) and in the end ("side notes") it says, that i could totally screw my ba when i exceed free sectors of the rom while cooking.... what excactly does this mean? and how can i avoid exceeding free sectors?
I am really looking forward to read your opinions about the two os...
THX IN ADVANCE!
krztf
I would definately go for wm5
main reason is the different memory handling
(no more lose of data after battery runs down)
Just download one of the ready made roms versions.
(as I understand, you are not ready to cook your own rom)
and be sure to read the wiki first
(and this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=243732 )
happy flashing
Wout
I could tell you this, my biggest reason to flash my BA to Wm05 because it has a better UI. N my 2nd biggest reason is because a lot of new programs written for wm05
Anyway if you afraid to brick your BA, I suggest you read carefully the wiki n don't use kitchen Rom, just use another rom that already cook by someone else. You could use Rom made by baniaczek or xplode.
I hoped it helps.
Well how should i say... i dont believe anyone here is still using 2003. Would this be enough for you? Try it, if you dont like it, downgrade back to 2003.
WM5 on Blue Angel is nice. But xplode rom and baniaczek rom are not really stable at the moment.
Tried both rom both got different problems... so I recommend you to wait for final release WM5 rom for BA thats free of bug.(Would it happen?)
Else if you wanted to try, you can try upgrading it... its really nice
Main reason is 60mb free ram..
and no more memory lost after battery going down
aha
thanks for all those answers!!!
but to be honest, i am still not sure if i should upgrade or not....
all those postings (here an din other threads) regarding pda overall speed, bluetooth and wifi problems, etc. make me kinda nervous! and i think, i am still anxious about frying my blue angel,... noobish but what can i do!
regarding the advantage of more free ram and no memory loss after battery's empty: is this really true?! always thought, i would need certain hardware as well, to benefit from this features...?
hope this discussion keeps goin'...
regards,krz
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Well how should i say... i dont believe anyone here is still using 2003. Would this be enough for you? Try it, if you dont like it, downgrade back to 2003.
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I'm using 2003se (rollback wm5->2003), because found some strange problems with baniachek's wm5 bluetooth profiles. ...
all the gory details ....
hi dasboot!
could you please describe those "strange problems"?
btw: does anyone know, if connecting to wlan routers works better with wm2005? as u can read in my other thread HERE, i have serious issues to solve here...
keep on posting!
krz
im rollbacked too.WM5 is nice looking..but for BA useless.
i found that WM3 work much better on it-and more important-the battery time:
wm5=max 8 hours,with mp3 6h
wm3=up to 16h with mp3.normal use 24/36h (older BA )
i use wlan only sometimes on hotspots-and only for e-mails.not a important criteria for me.
but,damn it..i would try out WM6 on it.suddenly it is unable to convert it to BA.
WM5 is not a software, it is one huge BAG!
wm5 is really good and I won't come back to wm2003. I have the R2 by baniaczeck and it works to me like a charm! I advice you to upgrade to wm5
does upgrading a cingular 8125 to WM6 worth it?
What are the diferences that you get?
Dont you loose some performance upgrading to WM6 on cingular 8125?
Thanks
I've only updated a couple of days ago, and tried out 3 or 4 diferente ROM's.
I can tell you that the performance is great, better than using WM5.
The rest, you can choose, and try.
Only then can you see if it's worth.
I've been running WM6 ROMs on my 8125 ever since the first one was leaked here on xda. I can tell you -- without a doubt -- there's NO WAY I'd ever go back to WM5.
The device is MUCH more responsive and snappier than it was with WM5. I can't think of more than a couple of times in the past 4 months that I've had it freeze up or hang when running apps.
There's plenty of WM6 ROMs in the Wizard Mobile 6 forum. Just take a look at each one and see what it has to offer. No one particular ROM will satisfy everybody, as each person has their own likes and dislikes. Just read the entire thread for the ROMs you're considering to see if it's the one for you.
I upgraded to WM6 and shortly after: Back again to WM5.
I think you don't really need WM6 because there are only little improvements to WM5. The Speed-up is the same as after a normal Hard-Reset, what is often said here is maybe a "feeled" speed up, it's everything but objective.
What you get from the "cooked" WM6 versions, you can find here, is a different software equipment, which in some cases really can be interesting. But if you really need some, you can install it on your WM5 aswell.
I think you should try and decide by yourself. It's the only way to get a good answer.
I also was running WM6 and am now going back to 5. It was nice, but I had a lot of missed calls as well as bluetooth problems. Try it out for yourself and see if you like it.
wm6
just like newbie I'm using wm6 since then.
only went back one time to wm5 cause i messed up my wizard and wanted to start from scratch.
the speed is tremendously faster than with wm5
about the mentioned missed calls, did not occur to me as yet.
Hello. I've been following the Kaiser thread ever since I heard about it, and with the same anxiety of the owners of that phone i've been waiting for the miraculous drivers to appear. I'm looking forward to upgrade from a HP hx2750, to a new pda with phone. After a few research I concluded that the pdas the fit my need are the HTC p3600 (trinity), p3600i (500Mhz processor version) , the Tytn 2 Kaiser or the coming Eten X800 and the I-mate 8502 which in my option is the best off all those but I doubt it will be available sooner than April 2008.
From all those the p3600i and tytn 2 seemed more appealing. So I have to pick between the p3600i (since i'd rather have more ROM and processor speed though paying a bit more) or the kaiser, tytn 2.
I like to play videos, take pictures and once in awhile play a few games, but also have a decent scrolling and browsing speed since I'm used to the hx2750 wm6, BUT, i'm not sure if the drivers will ever be made or work properly... in other words I wouldn't like to have a crippled phone as expensive as that kaiser(not getting contract!). The p3600i looks great is not so buggy but doesn't have keyboard and this is something I always missed in the hx2750. Neither I know if the keyboard in the end is really that useful cause it looks very hard to type in...
I heard better things from htc in past times but now they don't seem to care for consumers opinion, so that's another question. I dunno if it's better to get the kaiser and wait for drivers or get something more solid. I heard new windows 6.1 will come out soon, so might be a help or push to fix problem. I prefer more the kaiser but the p3600i is impressive too...
So i'm here asking for whoever wants to share its opinion... What's the best buy p3600i or tytn2 (kaiser, tilt)?
Is htc giving up the kaiser for real?(no more drivers, no more production of that model? And does the p3600i as any issue too?
P.S:I really refer to the p3600i not the updated p3600(trinity)
Thanks in advance...
there's great difference:
p3600i is 1 year older.
But if You are happy with USB1.1, 64MB RAM, no qwerty-keyboard (npt really nessecary), miniSD (not microSD), 1,9 MP camera. Then You will get 1500mAh Li-ion battery instead of 1350 and InfraRed port and a 500Mhz processor instead of a 400Mhz.
Compare:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=820&id2=733
I don't really see the difference between the microsd and minisd (size?), the difference between the 128MB and 64MB ram dunno if it's highly noticeable but seems that the p3600i might compensate it with proper video playback and proper rendering... 500Hz or 400Hz processor ... still doesn't tell me too much cause in the end the difference in RAM can minimize it (i think, I didn't or cannot benchmark both devices)? Neither regarding the 2MP or the 3MP camera.
The longer battery life, and less buggy performance are the good side of the p3600i ... but still seems a hard decision to make and the keyboard looks handy to write mails or editing text... Would be cool if someone who had both devices gave an opinion about it
At first i have p3600i then i buy the tytnII but when i use the tytn II with the room (schap's,orginal,dutty's) i change the tytnII with P3600i
1- the camera in tytnii is not realy work fine means the picture is no cleare
2- i see the tuch screen don't have good recognize and sensity
3- i find the best speed in the p3600i
4- battery life in p3600i is very gooood
for the memory i use the micro HC4GB with the convertor to mini and it is work gooood
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sorry for my bad english
Got a TYTN 2
hewa said:
At first i have p3600i then i buy the tytnII but when i use the tytn II with the room (schap's,orginal,dutty's) i change the tytnII with P3600i
1- the camera in tytnii is not realy work fine means the picture is no cleare
2- i see the tuch screen don't have good recognize and sensity
3- i find the best speed in the p3600i
4- battery life in p3600i is very gooood
for the memory i use the micro HC4GB with the convertor to mini and it is work gooood
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sorry for my bad english
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Well in the end I got the tytn mainly cause of the keyboard! I sure miss the 624MHz processor of the HP 2750 and the 3'5 inch screen smoothness but now I got stick with this one. I found weird that such a high end product performs so bad but the only thing I would ask for would be a smoth scroll in general...
Do flash your TyTn II with a new rom.
Believe me, it really gets better.
I've got the dutty rom, and i've got no compaints about scroll speeds .
I'm very happy with my device now!
Problem with custom ROMS
coolhead said:
Do flash your TyTn II with a new rom.
Believe me, it really gets better.
I've got the dutty rom, and i've got no compaints about scroll speeds .
I'm very happy with my device now!
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Well I would... but the thing I don't like about those cooked roms is that they bring extra stuff I would discard. There's no need for extra software since that I have. I would like to find a rom that improves performance and updates HTC software without adding other stuff... For example the 4PDA rom I have on the hx2750 just has windows mobile without extras which is ver good since I can decide what to install and save space like this... after in a pda every mega counts!
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Well I would... but the thing I don't like about those cooked roms is that they bring extra stuff I would discard. There's no need for extra software since that I have. I would like to find a rom that improves performance and updates HTC software without adding other stuff... For example the 4PDA rom I have on the hx2750 just has windows mobile without extras which is ver good since I can decide what to install and save space like this... after in a pda every mega counts!
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u may check the new tnt rom, I think there is a lite version with just a few apps.
Hi all,
Finally did it and got myself a Kaiser. Long time Hermes user/supporter.
Im busy reading all the faq's and wiki but what do you suggest i have a look at in roms?
I know CRC's/DVTs were preferential in Hermes dont know enough about Kaiser cooks yet, although i do see a few of the older names that have moved on.
Im in Aus, and this phone is stock so im going to have to do radio as well.
Glad to meet you and hope to be an active contributor here as well.
Try them all, that's what I did... till I settled with one I personally liked. There is no risk involved once phone is completely sim/security unlocked, just time...
Mate,
Enjoy your new phone I did the same change about 6 months ago.
I am in Melbourne and have tried a big selection of the roms available.
Firstly use Kaiser Unlocker to hardspl sim/cid unlock.
Then Jumpspl to change to hardspl 3.56
My suggestion would be try the Garmin1.2 rom or version 2 if it is out when you check.
Try the radio that loads with this rom or
Change to neon 1.65.24.36
This setup works great for my location with no problems that I have noticed..
Have Fun
Thanks Halon,
My 2 specialities was Media Centers and Hermes programming. So I feel and I guess that I am back to noob status
Its great to get a point in the right direction.
Reading the Wiki's and it seems like alot more info/processes than the old Hermes.
Everyones a noob at something.
There is a lot of information here and dare I say it a lot of it can be confusing and a bit disjointed but I am sure with your previous experience with the Hermes you'll be flying real soon.
UPDATE -
Reading vast amounts of information in one night - I have configured the Kaiser with Garmin's 2 ROM!
Halon .. i have done all of your suggestions and everything is working well. (Except for MSVC which slowed down the entire ROM for some reason), Uninstalled that and I am now back to normal. Wierd.
Ill now have to see which of my heremes cabs do work and what cabs dont work ..
Im also looking forward to reading about the video card driver problem .. will have to google that thread.
Cheers all.
TEST (now with a Kaiser)
I did the switch from Hermes to Kaiser about 2 months ago, so far all of the cabs I had used on my Hermes are working on my Kaiser.
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I did the switch from Hermes to Kaiser about 2 months ago, so far all of the cabs I had used on my Hermes are working on my Kaiser.
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I think is better if u use cabs specifiec for kaizer, u can find then in signatures from Senior members or moderators,( like P1tater, Skatdawg, etc) or just ask that someone is going to point u inthe right direction.
Welcome, Test. I'm not yet switched, used both currently. Long story behind it, back then my jasjam was dropped and having the whitescreen and d-pad issues. Need months to repair it, and I need a PDA so I bought Kaiser.
Anyway, just to inform that most of my hermes cabs collection are working on kaiser. The problem is not with the device, but rather on the WM version. My experience, many apps don't run well on 6.1, like skype etc, some not even run at all. Some already have an update which works, and some doesn't.
Short, it's better to always looking for the latest stable build apps, if you can. The problem is, most of them are scattered around forums here. Not necessarily only in Kaiser forum. Good luck, mate.
p.s: yet i must admit, you're posting in a slightly incorrect forum...
Hermes to Kaiser
So, for those who made the switch. Is it worthwhile?
rotaflex said:
So, for those who made the switch. Is it worthwhile?
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biggest waste of money i have made in a while, hermes was just as fast and did all the same things only thing the kaiser does the hermes doesn't is the screen flipping up a little which i never use any way Iphone 3rd Gen when it comes out for me or the X1experia but I need processor speed now after the slow kaiser
austinsnyc said:
biggest waste of money i have made in a while, hermes was just as fast and did all the same things only thing the kaiser does the hermes doesn't is the screen flipping up a little which i never use any way Iphone 3rd Gen when it comes out for me or the X1experia but I need processor speed now after the slow kaiser
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The problem is Qualcomm. Crappy company from the ground up.
I think there is a phone coming out that has a Marvell Chip in it. 624mhz sound good to you with a Overclocking up to 800mhz.
I have been switching back and forth between the two phones, I got to say that the Hermes is a better overall phone, I am not that impressed with the tilt whats so ever....
Hm.You sure it's not HTC who did the crapping, ATW? Not that i don't agree with you, but just want your further enlightment, sir ;-)
For me, a layman, i have heard Qualcomm for quite some time, maybe even longer than HTC (at least for brand recognition). And i heard that they held many patents on cdma technology too. Not sounds too crappy for me, is it?
I remember having discussed in general forum,Menneissys told me that some of the codes are actually optimized in msm7200 than Hermes 'outdated' samsung processor. For example in bluetoth aadp streaming. Though i must admit that the ATI Imageon on Hermes make it faster for graphic apps.
Btw, is it energy efficient to have processor running over 600mhz?
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So, for those who made the switch. Is it worthwhile?
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Ohhh YES, definitely.
The best proof was when I had to send my Kaiser for repair, going back to the Hermes was awful. Such a slow brick, I simply hard reset it and left it with nothing installed at all and was using it as a phone only, couldn't bear fiddling with it after having had the Kaiser for a moment. Even that way it was 2-3x slower than the Kaiser.
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biggest waste of money i have made in a while, hermes was just as fast and did all the same things only thing the kaiser does the hermes doesn't is the screen flipping up a little which i never use any way
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My kaiser is twice as fast as my hermes was... and far more stable. Shame your one didn't seem to come with GPS.....
schizo said:
For me, a layman, i have heard Qualcomm for quite some time, maybe even longer than HTC (at least for brand recognition). And i heard that they held many patents on cdma technology too. Not sounds too crappy for me, is it?
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I'm very happy that Qualcomm holds patents in CDMA, but what does that have to do with performance of a chip?
Let's just put it this way. Marvell used to be a Intel company. I much rather put my money / faith in a company that is the #1 producer of chips.
My Samsung 400mhz chip gave me better performance. Heck my TI OMAP 250mhz was just as good as this Qualcomm crap!
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Btw, is it energy efficient to have processor running over 600mhz?
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It is when the chip is smaller and requires less energy to run. I'm not sure what the nm is on the Marvell chip but I know that the talk time will be increased by over 2 hours which is a pretty significant improvement by up to 50%. How's that for energy efficient?
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My kaiser is twice as fast as my hermes was... and far more stable. Shame your one didn't seem to come with GPS.....
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o yea? My Hermes has not had even one reset running V3G's rom, yet I have to do several with the Kaiser although that maybe contributed to the roms not being debugged completly....
As to the GPS, its great for those who do not spent a lot of time using it as a cell phone, try using the GPS and talking on the phone via BT and driving for a living , maybe you will see just how great and useful the GPS is... not to mention the battery life....pssfft
I use my X51v as a GPS/w a BT unit where it sits in a holder right in line of my eye sight which is also my MP3 player hooked directly into my alpine .
Oh yea how about the how the buttons are located on the Hermes vs the kaiser ? look just how close they are on the Kaiser , they missed the boat on that...the layout is very poor...
Now do not get me wrong the Kaiser is a good unit, but it is lacking in many areas.
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Oh yea how about the how the buttons are located on the Hermes vs the kaiser ?
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Yep. On the Hermes I could never use the center "enter" button without pressing 1 or 2 of the direction buttons at the same time and had to repeat my press everytime to get it right... with the Kaiser the buttons finally serve some purpose again.