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Dear All,
I would like to share a bit more information on what I found regarding 2.21 IPL/SPL behaviour.
1. Now it is impossible to backup the rom from another machine with pre-2.21 ROM and then try to flash it into the machine by SD Card (i.e. use console mode to connect to the pre-2.21 ROM machine, execute r2sd, then push the SD card to the 2.21 machine w/o CID unlock and boot into flash mode (camera button), it will say 'Not allow update' in the status bar)
2. Now it is also impossible to backup the rom from 2.21 machine using console mode (i.e. r2sd), thus I got no way to extract 2.21 IPL/SPL from my machine. Again this is assumed the machine is not CID unlocked. Machine will say 'not enough security level blah blah....'
3. So what I want to know is- If a machine which is pre-CID unlocked, upgraded to ship rom 2.21+
a. is that still possible to dump the firmware out with r2sd?
b. Also will it accept rom flash in SD card dumped out from other pre 2.21 machine?
Hope we could sort out a solution to free all 2.21+ guys
Someone says its also related to the G3/G4 chip (version # 2.21.0001 means G4, .0000 means G3??) I have no clue on what is that though- anyone can provide us some enlightment?
William Yeung said:
Someone says its also related to the G3/G4 chip (version # 2.21.0001 means G4, .0000 means G3??) I have no clue on what is that though- anyone can provide us some enlightment?
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No, they are just the software version and dont have any relation with the Chip.
Result from JAFWM
Open nk.nbf file with JAFWM v2.2 (Dopod Official Rom)
here is the result.
William Yeung said:
Dear All,
I would like to share a bit more information on what I found regarding 2.21 IPL/SPL behaviour.
1. Now it is impossible to backup the rom from another machine with pre-2.21 ROM and then try to flash it into the machine by SD Card (i.e. use console mode to connect to the pre-2.21 ROM machine, execute r2sd, then push the SD card to the 2.21 machine w/o CID unlock and boot into flash mode (camera button), it will say 'Not allow update' in the status bar)
2. Now it is also impossible to backup the rom from 2.21 machine using console mode (i.e. r2sd), thus I got no way to extract 2.21 IPL/SPL from my machine. Again this is assumed the machine is not CID unlocked. Machine will say 'not enough security level blah blah....'
3. So what I want to know is- If a machine which is pre-CID unlocked, upgraded to ship rom 2.21+
a. is that still possible to dump the firmware out with r2sd?
b. Also will it accept rom flash in SD card dumped out from other pre 2.21 machine?
Hope we could sort out a solution to free all 2.21+ guys
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the anser to your question on point 3.a is yes.done it myself.now reflashing your device with another ones dump it may cause problems because it also flashes back the cid [whatever state it is] and since every device has a unique cid code that is related to the imei it may cause problems like the dreaded DATA CRASH one,but in other hand it could work.u just have to try to find out.if you need a unlocked dump let me know a got one ready to install.
How about the bootloader mode test result? anyone could provide?
Well I think there is a way and may be summitter can tell better.
one use typhoon nbf tools and remove the CID and save the nk.nbf and flash it to device.
secondly dump the rom parts with typho5 and just make a custom ROM with the same IPL/SPL with a new CE ROM...
I hope I am correct
That wont work, you have to try it out yourself. The main issue is if you got a machine comes with 2.21.0001+, then r2sd would not work. This is the essential step for any rom dump operation so far.
Typhoon NBF is even worse because since 2.0 (AKU 2) rom its not able to read by Typhoon NBF.
*faria: Is that mean you can still use r2sd to dump your rom even after your machine upgraded to 2.21+ ROM? Then if there is an O2 Mini S with such config updated, dump rom out, use typho5 to rebuild a new ROM without CID, chance is that we could use that to patch the unit with other rom versions.
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That wont work, you have to try it out yourself. The main issue is if you got a machine comes with 2.21.0001+, then r2sd would not work. This is the essential step for any rom dump operation so far.
Typhoon NBF is even worse because since 2.0 (AKU 2) rom its not able to read by Typhoon NBF.
*faria: Is that mean you can still use r2sd to dump your rom even after your machine upgraded to 2.21+ ROM? Then if there is an O2 Mini S with such config updated, dump rom out, use typho5 to rebuild a new ROM without CID, chance is that we could use that to patch the unit with other rom versions.
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yes you can still use r2sd in any rom above 2xxxx,but i do not use r2sd for my backups/restores, i use [wizBackup] because it bacups to sd and pc without any conversion required unlike r2sd.
i just made a sd backup of rom 2.23 and restore with out any problems.
rebuilding any rom will not work in a machine cidlocked because when we build the roms it requires the cid field to be blank,if it was that easy any modified rom like [sumiters] would do because all of those roms have the cid field blank when they are converted with nbf connverter.
to be clear about the part of the cid lock that every one is trying to unlock is not in the rom ,it is in the machine in a diferent adress [place if you like] itself so until someone cracks the cid area of the new roms there not much you can do.the problem is noone has the tools for the new roms to bypass cid.
the lokiwiz tool patches the cid area of the device only it doe nothing to yor rom.
so if you try to install a patched rom the machine will compare the cid code in the rom with the one in the machine if it does not match it does not install.1 way arround it to buid you own rom and put the machine cid code on the rom ,the it will install .but that means u cannot create a universal rom, it has to be 1 rom per singe machine with matching cid number.
and yes u can use typho5 to decode/incode 2.xxx roms with any problems,i have been using it i my roms without problems.
Wizard is not such a big problem but for the hermes it is even more interesting. Hard times are coming :roll:
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Wizard is not such a big problem but for the hermes it is even more interesting. Hard times are coming :roll:
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Hi Raskal,
If "Wizard is not such a big problem", why don't you keep with the spirit of xda-dev and share your observations and results on the G4 issues with the board?
There are two major areas where I think you have an opportunity to contribute to the community:
1 - Can you assist in the modification of the nb2nbf tool so that both G3 and G4 bootloaders can be rebuilt into an image?
2 - We need some guidance on CID unlocking 2.xx. What have you found in the BL that has made the usual process ineffective?
I'm assuming that since you are a member here, you're willing to give as much as take like the rest of us. I have a great respect for what you have done with various phones of the years, and appreciate that you are in business. However I hope that while you're here you will contribute to the free flow of information.
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raskal said:
Wizard is not such a big problem but for the hermes it is even more interesting. Hard times are coming :roll:
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Hi Raskal,
If "Wizard is not such a big problem", why don't you keep with the spirit of xda-dev and share your observations and results on the G4 issues with the board?
There are two major areas where I think you have an opportunity to contribute to the community:
1 - Can you assist in the modification of the nb2nbf tool so that both G3 and G4 bootloaders can be rebuilt into an image?
2 - We need some guidance on CID unlocking 2.xx. What have you found in the BL that has made the usual process ineffective?
I'm assuming that since you are a member here, you're willing to give as much as take like the rest of us. I have a great respect for what you have done with various phones of the years, and appreciate that you are in business. However I hope that while you're here you will contribute to the free flow of information.
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I am reading this forum and i learned a lot from it. This is the reason i donate and will continue to donate as long as this forum is helpfull because the guys are handling this forum simply deserve it, webspace cost money, traffic costs money and they also spend a lot of time for the mainatance of the forum, time is money. This is my contribution sofar.
On other way, i am not a lover of freeware. My devices costs money because i also spend my time developing it, and i also have a company with 30 employees and i am responsable every moth at 30 to pay them their salary and assure them the salary for their next month. Also my partner is dealing with phones, do you not think i would be very sad when i see that our competition unlocking/debranding phones with OUR FREE SOFTWARE ?
All i want to say, i am willing share information, but i am not willing share any information regarding unlocking/debranding since it will affect my own buiness.
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summiter said:
raskal said:
Wizard is not such a big problem but for the hermes it is even more interesting. Hard times are coming :roll:
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Hi Raskal,
If "Wizard is not such a big problem", why don't you keep with the spirit of xda-dev and share your observations and results on the G4 issues with the board?
There are two major areas where I think you have an opportunity to contribute to the community:
1 - Can you assist in the modification of the nb2nbf tool so that both G3 and G4 bootloaders can be rebuilt into an image?
2 - We need some guidance on CID unlocking 2.xx. What have you found in the BL that has made the usual process ineffective?
I'm assuming that since you are a member here, you're willing to give as much as take like the rest of us. I have a great respect for what you have done with various phones of the years, and appreciate that you are in business. However I hope that while you're here you will contribute to the free flow of information.
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I am reading this forum and i learned a lot from it. This is the reason i donate and will continue to donate as long as this forum is helpfull because the guys are handling this forum simply deserve it, webspace cost money, traffic costs money and they also spend a lot of time for the mainatance of the forum, time is money. This is my contribution sofar.
On other way, i am not a lover of freeware. My devices costs money because i also spend my time developing it, and i also have a company with 30 employees and i am responsable every moth at 30 to pay them their salary and assure them the salary for their next month. Also my partner is dealing with phones, do you not think i would be very sad when i see that our competition unlocking/debranding phones with OUR FREE SOFTWARE ?
All i want to say, i am willing share information, but i am not willing share any information regarding unlocking/debranding since it will affect my own buiness.
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I'm pretty sure that nowhere in my message was there a request for free software.
We'll continue our efforts here as a community to share ideas and create working and free solutions for all.
Quick question - does your ROM collection include any of the custom ROMs created by and for folks here on xda-dev?
well, at least he donates a fair bit to the site... machinagod!! When can we see Lokiwiz 3.x with CID Unlocking!!?
i guess if machinegod and others, did not post is tools and info here,some companys would have a dent in their revenue. and then one would think....
why do i bother?!!!!
hjkl;' why no delete?
I try to install a Rom Dopod_WM6-CHS. When it finished, my wizard is OFF.
I try to go in Bootloader, nothing!!!
I have G4 unlocked with PDAVIET3.
What happened?
Any solution?
Is this Bricked or what?
Pls
Thnks to all.
Hi
Did you had enough battery when you began the upgrade ?...just guessing
Yes. I have 70% battery.
I try wrongly to install that ROM, who was in Chinese.
When it finished, its going off, and i cant to go on.
Are you sure it doesn't enter bootloader ? Did you tried everything. BTW, why did you tried to install the chineese rom ?
Have you tried takeing off the battery for about half and hour and then trying again bootloader ? When your device is of, and you plug it into charger, does the led lights ? And if so , what colour ... orange(normal) or red or worse ...nothing ?
Yes i Try batter off for 4-5 hour.
I try hard reset (CommManager button, VoiceComm Buton and to reset), Nothing.
I dont see that it was in Chinese. In finishing of installing Extended Rom, he gone off, and no one LED light is taking on.
I dont know what.
If no led is turning on, try this. Pull out your battery, insert your charger(with the battery out) wait for a couple of seconds, and then insert the battery.
This should start charging...
Tell me wat's hapening.
Well, the ROM being in a different language should not cause any problems, rather, the IPL/SPL included in the ROM may have killed the Wizard, which either in different in terms of being G3/G4 or it is for a different unit (eg non Wizard phone).
I know that, but from what I remember, WM6 only has OS, not IPL/SPL.
That's why I was hoping that his Wizard is not dead 4ever.
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I know that, but from what I remember, WM6 only has OS, not IPL/SPL.
That's why I was hoping that his Wizard is not dead 4ever.
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If any rom you flashed included a bootloader (IPL/SPL) then you have bricked your G4. You cannot flash IPL/SPL into a G4 yet. It will work until the first reset then will be a brick forever after.
If you have warranty or insurance on it you might want to exercise one of those options and hope for the best.
I hope that you did not flash a G3 or other bootloader and your device is just being temperamental.
Good Luck.
Zzan said:
If any rom you flashed included a bootloader (IPL/SPL) then you have bricked your G4. You cannot flash IPL/SPL into a G4 yet. It will work until the first reset then will be a brick forever after.
If you have warranty or insurance on it you might want to exercise one of those options and hope for the best.
I hope that you did not flash a G3 or other bootloader and your device is just being temperamental.
Good Luck.
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the op contacted me yesterday for help....some bastard uploaded a Chinese rom to the ftp....with it seems a cross ipl/spl....this means if you install in a g3 or g4 it will brick....the file has been deleted...
Im one of victims who uses that ROM
That ROM was in Upload/Wizard/ROMS/ and i dont know who tolerate to upload that ROM who can brick a wizards of all newbies.
I think that in a future dont be that kind of mistake!!!!
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the op contacted me yesterday for help....some bastard uploaded a Chinese rom to the ftp....with it seems a cross ipl/spl....this means if you install in a g3 or g4 it will brick....the file has been deleted...
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Is there a schedule of when moderators (or whoever) views the upload directory of the FTP and verify/move the files to the proper spots/directories on the FTP?
I know that it was recently cleaned up, and assume it is being maintained. And if so there should be no reason (other than lack of patience) for someone to DL something from the upload directory.
In any case it's unfortunate that someone is that malicious (whether intentional or not) and caused people to ruin their devices. I would think as a good rule of thumb that before you flash any file downloaded from the upload directory look for an associated thread on the file or ask about it on the forums to see if anyone knows what it is/who the author is.
Zzan said:
Is there a schedule of when moderators (or whoever) views the upload directory of the FTP and verify/move the files to the proper spots/directories on the FTP?
I know that it was recently cleaned up, and assume it is being maintained. And if so there should be no reason (other than lack of patience) for someone to DL something from the upload directory.
In any case it's unfortunate that someone is that malicious (whether intentional or not) and caused people to ruin their devices. I would think as a good rule of thumb that before you flash any file downloaded from the upload directory look for an associated thread on the file or ask about it on the forums to see if anyone knows what it is/who the author is.
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yes we check all we can ,but we cannot check every file and its extensions.....this a voluntary job....as i rule you should only download files that you know that are safe....and for the love of good check the files with antivirus scanner...there is several treads about this problems allredy.....at the moment there is only 2 choices ;ftp for everybody or no ftp at all.
who can check if every rom uploaded for every device is good?.....there is no way.
Ok now that we >xda-dev< isnt hosting ROMS anymore where can i get one?
Ive got a tmobile MDA and want to try wm6.
I checked mini-nova but the files are incomplete.
Pm me if u can email it or something.. thanks
BTW i can trade u some games or apps for the help.. thanks
Also what tool can i use to do an image backup of my current rom and programs?
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Ok now that we >xda-dev< isnt hosting ROMS anymore where can i get one?
Ive got a tmobile MDA and want to try wm6.
I checked mini-nova but the files are incomplete.
Pm me if u can email it or something.. thanks
BTW i can trade u some games or apps for the help.. thanks
Also what tool can i use to do an image backup of my current rom and programs?
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If you are having to ask these questions, its pretty obvious you haven't done much in the way of reading the information in this forum or in the Wizard WM6 forum. You need to read all the stickies here to understand the process. Go into the Wiki (link is at the top of every page) and read all you can there as it points you to important information. You have to understand this stuff before you attempt to flash your phone or you may find yourself with an expensive paper weight (thats not a joke. Some of this stuff will kill your phone if you don't know what you are doing and/or skip steps).
As for the image backup, do a search for awizard. I haven't used it (yet) but its supposed to do what you are asking for (ROM and apps).
After reading the stickies and the Wiki, the best place to go to find the WM6 ROMs is in the Wizard WM6 forum. But -- Do NOT do any flashing unless and until you understand everything that you need to do in order to unlock and flash the ROM. Failure to follow directions to a "T" will result in a very expensive paperweight.
I posted this for the few people that were awaiting for the Herald kitchen.
So..i know that you must probably hate me till now, but sorry again i have to delay the porting of my Core Kitchen to the Herald.
It has come to my attention that there is still no way of flashing an Terra because there is no RUU and thus no means of flashing. I will see what i can do, meanwhile i got some work and i will leave for about 5 days.
If anybody has any ideas on how to help these people, please put it into action or give me a pm.
Cheers !
you can flash using Aserg's method which is what other cooker's have resorted to!
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you can flash using Aserg's method which is what other cooker's have resorted to!
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From what i understood ...
Aserg's method only works from ActiveSync . So this means that if you cook a rom with my kitchen and make a mistake and the rom doesn't work then you have a brick. That's why i didn't focused my attention on this. I was waiting for a proper RUU so that people wouldn't brick they're devices.
Hope you understand.
Well hopefully they roll out that new RUU for WM6 before the months end. Would love to do some experimenting with it during my vacation next month.
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From what i understood ...
Aserg's method only works from ActiveSync . So this means that if you cook a rom with my kitchen and make a mistake and the rom doesn't work then you have a brick. That's why i didn't focused my attention on this. I was waiting for a proper RUU so that people wouldn't brick they're devices.
Hope you understand.
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Yes that´s true. And nothing to say sorry - you had enough trouble with your PC.
But this is what I got as away for falshing from bootloader.
The problem is that the singing of the nbh file doesn´t worfk correctly - i guess.
I've been using his tool from:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=311909
He doesn't really show a method, so what I've been doing is:
1. Using NBHExtract to dump an .nbh that's on the Herald Wiki.
2. I rebuild the .nbh using Dark Simpson's little utility using the information I had luckily written down before I bricked the phone. So I plug in my ROM (4.10.531.3) in the Version, HERA110 in Device ID. The only other thing is that I'm not sure about the CID.
3. Place the new .nbh file in a folder with an updater (the ROM Update Utility that comes with the ROMs from the Herald Wiki).
4. Get the phone into Bootloader mode, start the updater.
In this way I've got rid of the Invalid Device ID error (error 243 or something?) and now it goes to 3% and tells me that the image file is corrupt.
I'm very new at this so maybe you can see a flaw in what I'm doing, or maybe with your knowledge we can figure this out. I was *almost* to the point of trying to cook using a couple links you've posted (XIP, dumps, etc) and then put it all together in a signed .nbh, but Rapidshare was holding me back... making me wait 80 minutes between downloads -_-
Anyway... I've only been trying to update the OS.nb portion since I believe I only screwed up my OS, not anything else. I can still get into the bootloader, my IPL/SPL still reads 4.xxxxxx, and by "brick" I mean that the phone just hangs on bootup at the T-Mobile splash screen. Correct? Incorrect?
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Perhaps we can work with it.
It is not a huge problem for HTC branded devices as there is a RUU to flash with if everything goes wrong. It's just a problem for our T-Mobile Wing and O2 Terra cousins (if they brick their devices). But it's nice to see some proper chefs taking an interest, never liked the pdaviet ROMS ever since they used a whole bunch of Faria's stuff without asking.
im running pdaviet now, but im hoping to see something other soon, its not bad though, just a bit slow..lots of "lagging" on the today plugin, I used the herald dump from tupisdin earlier, and installed my fav progs on that...was pretty dam fast on my phone...only problem was that it occupied more space on the main memory when stuff was not cooked into the rom itself...
trying to learn about cooking myself, not so easy as a thought
But I guess im lucky to have a unbranded htc p4350, If i brick, I just install the official Ruu from HTC
(btw, I DO use Vista for flashing, just changed the usb driver that WMDC uses to connect via USB to the old activesync 4.5 USB driver...)
I was upgrading my ROM, when it was reached 76% the upgrading process is stay stil until almost 1 hour, so i reset my device, but...... My device is blank. I've try to entering the bootloader or reset my device but it doesnt work at all.
showing nothing on screen....
Please help me what should i do......
Thanks....
when i first had that problem, i first of all tried to load the batterz for several hours, after that didn't help i took it out for several days and then i constantly tried switching it on or entering bootloader. i am sorry i cannot tell you which of those points actually made the change, but in the end it worked again, i. e. it entered bootloader and i was able to re-flash the device. try something out, i don't think you actually bricked your device, and in a state like this, the device wouldn't get broke-r maybe one of the methods described by me will help you get your device back up, be sure to tell me, what it was then
Chef_Tony,
Actually i have upgrade the ROM, but what i have install is ROM for GSM not for CDMA device....
How can i have the ROM for CDMA device...??? please help me....
or can i just release the batteray for couple days will bring my old ROM (WM2003)??
it wouldn't bring you back to wm2003se, because the flashing process overwrites exactly that part of memory in your device that contains your old wm2003se. the general problem is that the gsm version is so much more popular than the cdma version, i don't know for sure, but i think there is no wm6.x rom for the cdma version, so actually you don't have the blueangel, but the harrier. a thread handling with that, you can find here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=244534
probably that would also be a good place to ask for the shipped rom, which you need to flash on your device, but remember, also for the original rom you need to put your device in bootloader mode and use the maupgrade_noid.exe, since you already manipulated your device information and therefore the upgrade tool will give out several errors like error code 101 country id error or 150 the rom is not suitable for your device, but apparently you know how to bypass these errors, as you already managed to (start) flash(ing) your device. there is also a section for shipped roms in this forum, in which you'll probably find the link to the original rom for your specific device from your carrier in your country, or you look it up yourself
good luck with that, and i will stand by for further questions
greetings, Chef_Tony
EDIT: a collection of manz shipped roms you can find here: just look for your country and carrier: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=476675
Oh, God....
Its so difficult for me.... I'm a newbie in this world....
Can just you teach me step by step to get fix my device.?
Please...... I beg you.
Thanks alot for your help
ok, first of all, go by the steps, descibed in my first answer, try to get the device into bootloader mode by any means necessary. try different ways:
- charge it by cable
- charge it by cradle
- try to turn it on
- take out the battery and retry
- try hard reset
- try hard reset+record button
...
whatever comes to mind that would do the trick and get the device back on in the first place.
2. tell me your country and what network you are using, and i will try and find the latest shipped rom for you and give you the download link.
EDIT: here you can find several shipped roms and directly download them: http://harrier.atspace.com/
3. i will try and find the MAupgrade_noID.exe, in case you don't have it yet.
EDIT: here you can find it in 2nd post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=250099
4. you put that file in the folder, together with your shipped rom, where you should also find BAupgrade.exe, but you start MAupgrade_noID. your device should be in bootloader and you put it in the cradle to start downgradning process, wait until it's finished, shipped roms sometimes contain radio update files, so this might take 40minutes. and i hope you are not using vista, because this would make everything terribly complicated, which is not exactly great, since you are rather unexperienced.
so, awaiting your post with your country and carrier, while i try and find the other things necessary and re-post. don't panic, we'll get through this
harrier?
the harrier shiped Roms chef tony are in the Mr Xplode or wiki links... seems that the main batt and backup are dead... need to charge then enter to Bootloader and run his own carrier rom as you say if the Ruu cant do it.. the MA you can use the one that is on the Helmi_c WM6 Rom... it works for me instead of any other BA MA no ID...
the link i posted is taken from xplode's signature. i forgot to mention that. and while we are giving credit to people for uploading and sharing files, i want to thank ramram for posting and attaching the maupgrade_noid in the post i linked to. EDIT: the version of maupgrade is the same you offer in your downloads, so it should be the helmi version, which works for everybody.