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Please report your GPS experience

For the lucky people who got their Kaisers already, would you please report your experience regarding the built-in GPS please specially the initial cold fix as it was very slow with the Trinity P3600

TomTom 6.030 does not work, instead you have to install the TT version 6.0.32 from the accompanying CD. The first fix (after QuickGPS ran) was almost instaneaous and a lot faster than on the Athena.

Agreed; and, at least in Google Maps, the position is more accurate than the Ameo.

For batterie Life
Hello,
Can you post hte comment of batterie life when you use the GPS.
For example: the phone
the telephone is load completely (100% full batterie) and when you use 1 hour of gps
how much battery it remains?
Thanks.
Private69.
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Pfff TyTN II has 5 to 7 satellites reception on the dinnertable in the living room where the x7500 does not receive anything. Not bad for a Qualcomm GPS that supposedly is less good as the Sirf III ...

Wiz said:
Pfff TyTN II has 5 to 7 satellites reception on the dinnertable in the living room where the x7500 does not receive anything. Not bad for a Qualcomm GPS that supposedly is less good as the Sirf III ...
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sorry for a stupid question, do u use tomtom 6 to check the number of satellites? i cant get my gps to start working at all.

Wiz said:
TomTom 6.030 does not work, instead you have to install the TT version 6.0.32 from the accompanying CD. The first fix (after QuickGPS ran) was almost instaneaous and a lot faster than on the Athena.
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Am running 6.030 now!
Don't ask me how or why but it's working fine.
Joe

I now verified that on TT6.030 you have to use "Other NMEA GPS/4800Bd/Com 4: and on TT6.032 you can stay with "Internal GPS"
In any case, TT6.032 with "Internal GPS" the fix is aqcuired a lot faster than on TT6.030
TT6.032 is supplied with the TyTNN II on the accompanying CDRom
(TT6.032 incidentally does not allow itself to be installed on any other device, the installer prevents that, but after installation on the TyTN II, the directory can be copied to for instance the x7500 to replace the old installation there, and it will work fine. My first impression is that also on the x7500 with TT6.032 the fix is faster, but I still need to run the "dinner table test" )

its working fine now after i installed the version on the cd. thanks. my MapKing chinese version also working, GREAT!

When you use tt6.32 from the CD, can you use any tt6 map? or is it locked to 1 map only?
Can you have multiple maps with the tt6.32 from the CD?

Can you confirm that the version supplied with TyTn II i.e., TomTom 6.0.32, is a FULL version ? Licences? or is it a taster and you have to pay to register it as a full version? If it is full, does it come with Great Britain Maps (full) or you have to download them? In case of download, is it free?
Thanks

The CD version of TT 6.032 that comes with the Kaiser is as full as an update one would dowload from TomTom. There is no code. There are no maps either. One can download one area map (f.i. London) for free, but no country or continent maps are added. Those will have to be purchased separately.
If you install it on top of an already installed and registered TT6.0x0, it will not ask for a new code. Any old registration will remain valid.
On another note, sitting side by side in my car, I noticed that the x7500's GPS reception was a lot more consistent then the TyTNN II's. The TyTN II may acquire its fix a lot faster, but on the whole, the x7500's reception is better (even though my "dinner table test" would lead to believe otherwise) and more consistent.
While my x7500 had a permanent reception of 9-10 satellites (albeit with shorter bars) the TyTN II was jumping up and down between 3 and 7 satellites.

I currently use my Hermes in an 'in car' holder, with a bluetooth GPS reciever face up in the window. One thing that I would like to know, is that if I was to get a Kaiser and put it into my car holder, surely the orientation of the GPS reciever inside the Kaiser would be 'end on' to the sky, and the satelites.
This must affect performance?

I got mine this morning. Took me quite a while to get GPS working -- had to do a hard reset. It's now working with Route 66, which I used to use on my Wizard.
GPS data seems a bit bursty -- when I was viewing it with GPSViewer, I'd get a bunch of NMEA strings, then nothing for several seconds, then another burst.

Hum..seems to be same issue than Paul from Modaco :
"The GPS bug seems to occur with some applications whereby the GPS 'data stream' will pause for a few seconds at a time, which makes some apps think the GPS has gone away (e.g. Google Maps) and other apps just update in sudden jumps rather than smoothly." ?
Seems that HTC did not fix it in the final ROM.
Do you know if HTC is aware of this issue and plan to fix it ?
Thanks

don't know if i've encountered the bug but here's my situation: i cannot get the GPS Hardware Port (or COM) settings to "stick" after changing them. for example i can change GPS Program Port and it will stick but changing the Hardware Port and clicking OK has no impact. if i reopen the GPS settings, the Hardware Port shows "(NONE)". and this is after 4 hard resets. funny thing is that is worked when i initially set up my device, then all of a sudden, TT6 was reporting "No GPS Device"... it may be time to pack it up and return it for a replacement... any suggestions would be appreciated.
Update: Followed Paul's (on Modaco) suggestion to leave the default settings and now GPS is working.

Which Navigation programs work in landscape mode???

for those of you with a Tytn II, are you able to modify the GPS Hardware COM port from one setting to another? the fact that mine says "(NONE)" is leading me to believe i have a hardware defective unit. thanks.

Kaiser and mapking 2007
ive tried mapking 07 on kaiser and it doesnt work. It juz cannot pinpoint the location that I am at. I wonder if its the software problem??

I installed TOM-TOM from the HTC CD and it has worked with out problems, even installed US MAPS from another Tom-Tom CD I have from the original version. Only problem so far, once I was using it and received an SMS message and it locked up. Had to restart. Receiving email is fine but the SMS message freaked it out.

GPS not working.

Hello,
I am trying to help a friend with a Kaiser and wants his iGo working in it.
Everything seems ok, iGo starts but after some seconds it shuts down. I tried to change GPS port and everything else I could thought but problem persists. Any advice?

UnlockBR said:
Hello,
I am trying to help a friend with a Kaiser and wants his iGo working in it.
Everything seems ok, iGo starts but after some seconds it shuts down. I tried to change GPS port and everything else I could thought but problem persists. Any advice?
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Did you try Tomtom before iGo? I have the same issue with google maps. It will seek sats and give up saying no gps signal. But if I run tomtom and then start gmaps it works fine (inside buildings). I would suggest you open iGO outside and check it out. Are you using COM4?

Will check... now he is travelling (Poland) but will call me when he came back.
I did not tried TOM TOM...

find a free program called GPS Test. Set it to Com 4 / 4800. Much smaller than TomTom and certainly an app that's worth keeping on it.
-Mc

the issue is that the internal GPS on the Kaiser needs to be "jump started" there a few apps that do this a free one that is also good is GPSViewer and the others mentioned above. I use TomTom well since it came with my Kaiser and with all that Damn Program memory who the hell cares if I use 10MB to install TomTom and a Map

I have never had problems with starting my GPS. I did a quick fix once and have used it with first Google maps (no problem) then Pocketstreets (again no issue) and finally Tom Tom.
I have never had to wait more than 20 seconds or so for a fix. Make sure you are outside before starting the application though.

TomTom - does it work OK?

I've been asked whether it's working OK on the Kaiser (and its rebranded versions). As I've run into diametrically opposing reports, I've found it the best to start a new thread so that I can see whether it works or not.

Yes it does work, well on the Vario III incarnation it does. I have had 6.0 running and now I've installed 6.030 which is also running perfectly

Works fine on my HTC branded phone, running 6.032 now

Version 6.032 ships with the TyTN II and works fantastic as it directly supports the internal GPS!

Works great for me out of the box. Vodafone v1615 and V6.032.
Had to buy a full UK map and that installed OK.
Hope this helps

Works perfect on my unbranded HTC Tytn II... no configuration and stuff needed...

The only thing I've found is that it won't work with some of the newer maps.
I am running a v660 map but I couldn't get a newer (675) version to work.
Anyone able to use newer than 660 on a TyTn II?

Thanks guys and gals; highly appreciated

i have maps 675 working uk n ireland map.
TomTom Navigator 6.030 (8320) + UK and IE Plus Major Roads of WE 1409 v675.1409
works fine

mbriody said:
The only thing I've found is that it won't work with some of the newer maps.
I am running a v660 map but I couldn't get a newer (675) version to work.
Anyone able to use newer than 660 on a TyTn II?
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I'm running the TomTom 6.032 with USA_Canada map (version 6.75).

Guess it must be just me then!
I'll give 675 a try again.

I'm running 6.010 on my Tilt with no issues. I just chose 'other nema gps' for my adapter and set the com4 and 4800 baud.
Works like a champ.

laakness said:
I'm running 6.010 on my Tilt with no issues. I just chose 'other nema gps' for my adapter and set the com4 and 4800 baud.
Works like a champ.
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Why do you use an adapter and not the internal GPS radio built into the Tilt?
I have TomTom working on my Tilt (still evaluating with freebie map) using the internal radio. Works good but certain features are turned off (i.e., sound) in the evaluation version. TomTom looks to be much better and more user friendly than Telenav.

BillMc said:
Why do you use an adapter and not the internal GPS radio built into the Tilt?
I have TomTom working on my Tilt (still evaluating with freebie map) using the internal radio. Works good but certain features are turned off (i.e., sound) in the evaluation version. TomTom looks to be much better and more user friendly than Telenav.
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I never said I was using an external adapter. I said "other nema gps" SETTING which is in the options. That is because the 6.010 version does not have Internal GPS as an option so I have to specify the comm settings for my device.

v6.030 with v675 maps works flawlessly on my Orange TyTn II.

TomTom Maps 50% Off
For anyone who doesn't yet have the TomTom maps, it appears they are 50% off today. Not sure how long this sale price will last.

Question for you guys..... I purchasing a Tytn II on the internet, and i asuming it will come with TomTom, but mind dose not.
Just want to know where did you guys purchasing your TytnII??? I live in USA, and using Tmobile...it is suck they do not have the 3G ...... I wish it will have it soon.....

I only have a couple of problems.
1. If I minimize TT by pressing the side OK button then try to click on something in the corners (volume, start menu) then TT comes back forward.
2. Sometimes it takes quite a few minutes for TT to connect to the GPS.
Besides these minimal problems, I love not having to carry around a separate GPS unit.

My Tilt did not come with TomTom but after a a great deal of searching and reading the forums here, I ordered it from Amazon. I wanted a GPS solution that was independent of a data feed (I have no data plan since most all of my stops have wi-fi access.....and I'm cheap).
Installation to the computer was very simple. Setting up the device worked the first attempt (likely because I had read about which settings to chose here on the forum). Registering the software was not exactly intuitive (I attempted to use the product number provided in the box.....which it turned out to be only used online to get the actual activation number from tomtom).
Running TomTom Home 1.5v106 on the computer and 6.010 on my Tilt.
I can pull a good signal even indoors at home. In-car performace in poor (without an external antena). But all works like a charm on my Harley, where the driving instructions are played thru the stereo speakers.
The only thing that appears to be lacking (or I just haven't found it yet) is the ability to plan routes on the computer and upload them to the Tilt. But I've had no problems planning routes directly on the device itself.

inkspot said:
I only have a couple of problems.
1. If I minimize TT by pressing the side OK button then try to click on something in the corners (volume, start menu) then TT comes back forward.
2. Sometimes it takes quite a few minutes for TT to connect to the GPS.
Besides these minimal problems, I love not having to carry around a separate GPS unit.
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Same problem here- if I have the phone on mute, I can't minimize TomTom to turn up the volume, as TT seems to hog control of the touchscreen in WM6. This wasn't a problem in WM5. I'm eagerly awaiting the next release of TomTom.

HTC Touch Diamond - GPS doesn't work!!!!

Hi,
I've just got my HTC Touch Diamond, and I can't get it to find ANY satellites in either Google Maps or TomTom Navigator 6. It has worked on a couple of occasions - both programs have been able to locate satellites, but only once or twice, and only after about 30-40 minutes searching.
I've got a Touch Cruise as well, and the one thing that always worked very well on it is the GPS, particularly with TomTom. Within a few seconds, the Cruise ALWAYS finds at least a couple of satellites, even indoors. The Diamond never seems to be able to find any, even when I stood on top of a hill in open ground for 45 minutes yesterday!
I'm guessing it's a configuration problem or conflict of some kind, given the fact that it HAS found 4-8 satellites a couple of times. The GPS settings in Windows are precisely the same as on my Cruise (COM4 and 4800 baud), the QuickGPS is up-to date, and Assisted GPS is active according to Advanced Config.
One thing I did notice is that TomTom Navigator 6.03 doesn't give me the option to select 'Built-In GPS Reciever' on the Diamond (my Cruise TomTom is set to 'Built-In GPS Reciever). I have to select 'Other NMEA GPS Receiver' and set 4800 baud and COM4. It DOES seem to find the GPS device, but it doesn't find any satellites (except once or twice). I thought this might be the source of the problem, until I tried Google Maps and found that that couldn't find any satellites either. Running the Cruise and Diamond side-by-side, the Cruise finds a good number of satellites in just a few seconds, whereas the Diamond is still searching for its first after an hour!
Has anyone else had this problem on the Diamond, or with WM 6.1? Does anyone have any clue how I might be able to resolve it? Right now, I'm feeling that I've been suckered into buying yet another HTC device that simply doesn't work properly. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Rob.
P.S. I can't get SRS WOW to work on the Diamond either. All sound output just disappears completely, and when I launch the SRS WOW application it says that no driver is installed. No amount of soft-resetting has resolved it, and in the end I had to uninstall SRS to get my system sound back. Does anybody know how I can get SRS WOW onto the Touch Diamond?
HTC Touch Diamond:
ROM: 1.37.405.1 WWE (10/06/2008)
Radio: 1.00.25.03
Protocol: 52.26a.25.09H

doesn't the diamond have tomtom 7 built in or something? try the tomtom 7 cab floating around if you don't have it.

Why not post this in the diamond forum.
Or, even better, read the FAQ, search like it says, then get here http://www.google.com/cse?cx=000825...d+gps&sa=Search&cof=FORID:0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Rory

YEAH THE GPS ON DIAMOND DON't WORK!!
Yeah, I was so excited buying my diamond.. I always keep accessories brand new so incase I resell for any reason..so the first time I charged it up w/ a usb cord and it died in a couple of hours. I thought it needed to be charged from its own charger. So I took out the charger that came w/ it, charged it fully and it died again in 3-4 hours of using it. I was super angry. So, finally I am lookin around for the gps ( navigation ) software, only to soon realize that there is none. So, I put in the application cd that comes w/ the phone to find out that there isnt any apps on it. Anyway I install an old version of google maps on the phone that I used w/ my palm treo and realized it only picked me up w/ in 1100 meters of where I was at. I thought it was the old google and the new one would of had better gps locationing, but now that I read your blog and find out that this phone really sucks for real, I am super angry!! I just paid $799 for this crap! I should of stayed w/ my big e90. I even registered a name on this site just to tell you I agree, I will keep bugging HTC until they send me something new and fix it. They can atleast send me that cool dock they have on their website. And how did u get the tom tom for it?????????? Koda

Works with Tomtom 6
The GPS on my diamond works with Tomtom 6. Select "Other NMEA GPS receiver", Baud rate 4800, Com4. It even gets GPS signal inside my apartment, better than my stand alone GPS.
Edit: Just tested with google maps, GPS works well.

Htc Touch Diamond Gps
ISN' THe phone suppose to have built in GPS? As in the NOkia e and N series?

Gps Does Work
I Did Not Have Gps Selected In Pll Up Menu

I finally got it working
I've been having the exact same problem with Tom Tom 7. It would either say "No GPS device!" or it would have terrible signal so I couldn't get a lock. The solution was to Turn off assisted GPS and reset the diamond. Now i get a lock in 10 to 15 seconds when indoors!
And on a personal note, I just wanna say a HUGE thanks to everyone who posts on this forum and the guys who run this (even the guys posting problems and not solutions) it's been a huge help (and good reading) ever since i stubled onto this site.
Thanks, Aaron

HI,
were can I Turn off assisted GPS?
In TomTom 7 do you use internal GPS antenna? Or NMEA?

Guys,i have tried every single way on this page to get a GPS signle on my HTC Diamond but it always says "NO GPS Device" on Tomtom 7 or "No GPS reciever" on Google Maps, ...etc.
And there is no QuickGPS utility or Assisted GPS in my setting,programs, or setup CDs. There is only the External GPS on the Settings-System.
I am afraid that the GPS is actually closed or disabled somehow.
Please if someone has found a solution or knows how to unlock the headset's GPS, post a reply.
I really like tha phone but feel like a sucker because of the GPS thing.

same problem no gps
Have the same problem - baut i have the quick gps program - tried everything but not even after 30 minutes it finds a satelite

Mine never gets a signal inside, but outside it seems fine. Try something like this an go stand outside for a bit

I'm in the same boat as you Europeart.
And it's very frustrating!!!!!
Have a T-Mobile Compact IV with the Tomtom 7 package I found on this forum. I didn't get any voices but after downloading and installing the free map it can't find the internal GPS. I thought this rip was for the diamond, so it should work exactly the same!?
Added to the Google Maps will only triangulate my nearabout position with the use of cell phone towers. I can't find anything to play with the GPS and I've never managed to pick up any satellites even with that little app that downloads their positions.
Has anyone figured this one out?

quickgps
after trying everything I tried to make a hard reset thrue the menu (delete memory - en español borrar memoria) - pero me ha borrado la memoria incorporada (4GB) y no la memoria del movil ni un hard reset. With volume down - enter (round button) and soft reset with the pen (red button in penhole) pressing some seconds until you see a white display I got it - but I had to install everything - contacts, too.
But now it works - first time took 2-3 minutes, second time only 3 seconds!!!!!!!!!!!!
great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hope it don't change again - somebody knows?
thanks everybody for help inhere
Markus, a german from spain

More than one Navigation software!!!
Hi,
I had troubles with HTC Diamond GPS where I had to Hard Reset the phone to get the GPS working.
There is a suspicion on GPS problems with HTC Diamond!!
I have 2 navigation software, TomTom 7 and IGO, and of course the built-in Google Map. However, earlier when I had problems, I used to open tomtom try it, close the problem, and open IGO, play with it and close it.
The GPS then stopped working. I hard-reset the phone, and installed again both software but used only one, IGO and opened Google Maps but didn't use the GPS.
However, today, I opened Google Maps, used GPS and closed it. Now I am trying to open IGO and use the GPS but stopped working. Having the problem again.
Can anybody please confirm my suspicion on the problem which is that you cannot use more than one navigation program on HTC Diamond as somehow it hangs on the internal GPS and maybe blocks it?
Did anybody try it??

Following
Or maybe only between IGO 8 and TomTom 7 when the GPS hangs!

RH Photography said:
Hi,
I've just got my HTC Touch Diamond, and I can't get it to find ANY satellites in either Google Maps or TomTom Navigator 6. It has worked on a couple of occasions - both programs have been able to locate satellites, but only once or twice, and only after about 30-40 minutes searching.
I've got a Touch Cruise as well, and the one thing that always worked very well on it is the GPS, particularly with TomTom. Within a few seconds, the Cruise ALWAYS finds at least a couple of satellites, even indoors. The Diamond never seems to be able to find any, even when I stood on top of a hill in open ground for 45 minutes yesterday!
I'm guessing it's a configuration problem or conflict of some kind, given the fact that it HAS found 4-8 satellites a couple of times. The GPS settings in Windows are precisely the same as on my Cruise (COM4 and 4800 baud), the QuickGPS is up-to date, and Assisted GPS is active according to Advanced Config.
One thing I did notice is that TomTom Navigator 6.03 doesn't give me the option to select 'Built-In GPS Reciever' on the Diamond (my Cruise TomTom is set to 'Built-In GPS Reciever). I have to select 'Other NMEA GPS Receiver' and set 4800 baud and COM4. It DOES seem to find the GPS device, but it doesn't find any satellites (except once or twice). I thought this might be the source of the problem, until I tried Google Maps and found that that couldn't find any satellites either. Running the Cruise and Diamond side-by-side, the Cruise finds a good number of satellites in just a few seconds, whereas the Diamond is still searching for its first after an hour!
Has anyone else had this problem on the Diamond, or with WM 6.1? Does anyone have any clue how I might be able to resolve it? Right now, I'm feeling that I've been suckered into buying yet another HTC device that simply doesn't work properly. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Rob.
P.S. I can't get SRS WOW to work on the Diamond either. All sound output just disappears completely, and when I launch the SRS WOW application it says that no driver is installed. No amount of soft-resetting has resolved it, and in the end I had to uninstall SRS to get my system sound back. Does anybody know how I can get SRS WOW onto the Touch Diamond?
HTC Touch Diamond:
ROM: 1.37.405.1 WWE (10/06/2008)
Radio: 1.00.25.03
Protocol: 52.26a.25.09H
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Hi,
I've just bought an HTC TD too, being the impatient, rather than the academic, type I registered with TomTom and went straight to their support page (shortest distance between two points etc...). There you will find the instructions to configure TomTom/Diamond GPS settings 'Configuring the built-in GPS receiver on your HTC device..'
It works.
I see that, if you haven't done so yet, you need to go to the HTC site and update to the latest ROM too - gives you quad band and a speedup. You have to register there too!
NoData is a useful program.
HTC Touch Diamond
WM 6.1
ROM 1.93.405.1 WWE 07/17/08
Radio version: 1.00.25.05
Protocol version: 52.29.25.12W
TomTom7 (free with 1 city map)
Hope this helped.

I had the same problem...
A-GPS on, with TomTom 7: no fix. When I turned A-GPS off everything was fine.
I would like to know wether A-GPS should be supported by the nav-software in order to work, or that A-GPS isn't well implemented in the Touch Diamond.
Does anybody have a clue about that?
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I got this from another forum:
it will work if you set the baud rate in TT to 2400. Otherwise turn agps off and it works at the regular setting. Haven't really notices a difference in performance one way or another.
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I tried this, but it didn't work for me (even other baud rates)...

Hi All!
I have install IGo8 on my diamond. It’s OK. GPS Device founded. But it can’t receive information from satellites. Visual GPS program show me 15 satellites in view but anyone in use. Why? What I should do?
I did HR. Was at the street. Get off battery. But nothing.
Help me please!
RUU_Signed_1_93OliNex_HSPL_UnsignedEdition
Diamond_ASerg.9_RUS

geksone said:
Hi All!
I have install IGo8 on my diamond. It’s OK. GPS Device founded. But it can’t receive information from satellites. Visual GPS program show me 15 satellites in view but anyone in use. Why? What I should do?
I did HR. Was at the street. Get off battery. But nothing.
Help me please!
RUU_Signed_1_93OliNex_HSPL_UnsignedEdition
Diamond_ASerg.9_RUS
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one more time change roms, all ok

Garmin XT issue

does anyone have this? the program will not run anymore. it loads the splash screen then it goes back to my home screen? are there any solutions?

I had the same issue a couple of weeks ago - never figured out how to correct the problem so I re-installed the program from scratch (on SD card of course) and soft reset and it worked fine...but I don't like Garmin XT that much so I switched to Igo8 instead: the maps are not as smooth but works faster and better + Igo has maps of regions of the world that neither Garmin nor Tomtom have...
One thing for sure, this is not an issue related to your internal GPS so don't go around messing with those settings...
Oh, and you might want to try Tomtom Taster version (with 1 free area downloadable map) - it doesn't take up much memory and it would confirm to you that there is no problem with the GPS itself...

i had tomtom and it sucked. way to many buttons to push just go get a route

the only reason i stuck with garmin mobile xt for so long is because of the free traffic update and gas price, but the software and navigation is slow and choppy, and the random freezes (disabled the agps fixed the freeze issue).
now i finally settled with igo 8... had a good run with tomtom, and probably never touch garmin again. it is a shame, their garmin nuvi is so good

theclueless said:
now i finally settled with igo 8... had a good run with tomtom, and probably never touch garmin again. it is a shame, their garmin nuvi is so good
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So does iGo have free traffic rerouting and gas price listings like Garmin Mobile XT? These two are my deal-breakers for selecting any GPS routing app.

My Garmin Mobile XT is flawless
I've not had one issue in over four months of use. I've run it at the same time as my Garmin in the car and they both are perfect. What do you mean by slow maps? I'm in the US and the maps have not sent me wrong once. I can't believe how well it works. What version are you using. There are updates online and their tech support is very good without a wait. The only issue I've had is the chip (hardware) doesn't sync up cold for three minutes at times. This happens with Google and Garmin. With garmin you can see the signal strength of each satellite. It usually syncs on eight or nine. I've noticed that several at a time start flashing. I've read that this is a faulty chip issue and HTC says they will replace the whole board free. I haven't sent it back yet because once it syncs it works great for hours of driving.
A hot and warm sync is less than ten seconds. I've tried to contact HTC and the chip manufacturer but haven't been able to reach anyone technical. They just want to change the whole board.

when i start navigation with garmin mobile xt, the position cursor updates once every 2-3 seconds (sudden jump), instead of the smooth movement like tomtom and iGo and google map, even to the highest detail.