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GPS without 3G/edge?

i bought a tilt yesterday and it is my first smartphone. I already flashed it to Dutty's v1.1. With my plan i rely on wifi so i didnt get any data plan.
Without 3g, edge, gprs how can i get GPS to work with my TILT that doesnt cost money?
Anyone want to help a noobout?? If you could teach me some stuff PM!!!

GPS does not cost money because it doesn't uses GPRS/EDGES etc - unless you install and run QuickGPS (or similar). GPS is only receiving freely available satellite info
QuickGPS is a service that helps the GPS unit get its first fix quicker and this uses the internet and hence GPRS/EDGE - but it is optional, so if you are prepared to wait a minute of two to get a good GPS fix, then GPS will not cost you a penny.

how do you get the free gps though?

Could you elaborate a bit? What do you mean by "how do you get the free gps though?". Because as Weasel said, GPS IS Free. Do you mean how do you get free software (i.e. TOMTOM)?

unk3 said:
how do you get the free gps though?
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You already have it, in form of your GPS receiver in your device. If you are wondering how you can get programs/maps to run your GPS with, well there is really just one option for you:
Buy some software! The market is flooded with GPS software, to name a few:
TomTom
iGo
Garmin XT
Destinator
MioMap
and so on...
If you had a data plan, you could use Google Maps in combination with your GPS (google maps is free).
Alternatively, if you are more about using your GPS functionality for hiking, off-road travel,... then I recommend:
GPSTuner 5.2 (excellent software for off-road)
Track-Me (You get this in the Kaiser > Kaiser forum. Great piece of software, and so far it's free)
Either way, you'll need software to make use of the hardware.
Hope this helps a bit.
H.

A good free option would be MGMaps, which uses stored maps and doesn't need to transfer data (however it can do it if you wish).

i guess what im trying to say is, Where can i download "MAPs" or the software that has maps for free.
I tried using googlemaps, but i can only use it when im in a wifi area lol

TomTom 6 on Kaiser

Ok I successfully installed TT6 on my Kaiser, which currently runs dutty 3/8 rom and niki radio. I have Kaiser Tweak installed as well. Everytime I open TomTom it wants to connect to GPRS. From my previous experience when GPRS is transferring data it uses MB's, which I am charged for because i do not have any data plan, nor do I want one because I am usually in hotspots. In addition, I have quick gps, gps test, and gps tool, applications installed on my device.
I was able to get a connection yesterday without using GPRS. For some reason I clicked on Traffic Updates in the configuration. Now everytime i connect to TT6 it opens the GPRS connection. When I hit cancel with GPRS I cannot establish a GPS signal.
Will I be charged for GPRS connection if data is transferred if so, how do i use my TT6 application to avoid any service fees or any transfers that will costs me money.
edit1: I also tried disabling my traffic updates however no success
edit2: i have my own software with all maps. I did not dl any of the tomtom6 software featured in this forum so this issue may be different. In addition, i searched this similar problem with confusing results.

Did you try disabling traffic updates? That is what is connecting...

yes i did...

this shouldn't be a difficult thing to answer for those who don't use any type of data connection (medianet, gprs, 3g etc) and use gps.

go into tomtom plus services and disable wireless data, if that doesnt work, and since you are a legal user of tomtom, then why dont you contact their tech support, that's what they are there for

redbandana said:
Ok I successfully installed TT6 on my Kaiser, which currently runs dutty 3/8 rom and niki radio. I have Kaiser Tweak installed as well. Everytime I open TomTom it wants to connect to GPRS. From my previous experience when GPRS is transferring data it uses MB's, which I am charged for because i do not have any data plan, nor do I want one because I am usually in hotspots. In addition, I have quick gps, gps test, and gps tool, applications installed on my device.
I was able to get a connection yesterday without using GPRS. For some reason I clicked on Traffic Updates in the configuration. Now everytime i connect to TT6 it opens the GPRS connection. When I hit cancel with GPRS I cannot establish a GPS signal.
Will I be charged for GPRS connection if data is transferred if so, how do i use my TT6 application to avoid any service fees or any transfers that will costs me money.
edit1: I also tried disabling my traffic updates however no success
edit2: i have my own software with all maps. I did not dl any of the tomtom6 software featured in this forum so this issue may be different. In addition, i searched this similar problem with confusing results.
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You can you the program NoData http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1325870&postcount=7 to disable GPRS traffic.

thanks i'll look into the "no data" application.

hmmm but i can do the same thing with kaiser tweak, however tomtom cannot establish a signal.

Another thing to check is taht A-GPS is DISABLED,if not it will try to get GPS fixes via cellsites and download the sat data as well whenever the GPS is activated.
Good Luck
Ashley

AshleySear said:
Another thing to check is taht A-GPS is DISABLED,if not it will try to get GPS fixes via cellsites and download the sat data as well whenever the GPS is activated.
Good Luck
Ashley
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hmmm i have it enabled right now. so are you saying i should disable assisted gps?

AshleySear said:
Another thing to check is taht A-GPS is DISABLED,if not it will try to get GPS fixes via cellsites and download the sat data as well whenever the GPS is activated.
Good Luck
Ashley
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i think u solved the issue. I'll let u know in a few hours but as i can see from bein indoors the gprs 3g connection isn't popping up. Thanks for everyones input. I figured there was an easy solution.

Ok that solved the issue of connecting to the net but now I cannot get a satelite signal anywhere in Boston.

You have to try out couple different things. First off, try a different version of tomtom. Do a search and should pop up with couple diffrernt versions. I can tell you that my version doesn't connect to data at all. Maybe the A-GPS option works, but you're not doing something correctly. There's a tomtom tutorial somewhere. Do a search for that. Verify COM4 or whatever com gps is on. Test out HTC GPS tool to see if you can pick up any satellites. Could possibly be the radio. Many different things you can try out here.

thomassster said:
You have to try out couple different things. First off, try a different version of tomtom. Do a search and should pop up with couple diffrernt versions. I can tell you that my version doesn't connect to data at all. Maybe the A-GPS option works, but you're not doing something correctly. There's a tomtom tutorial somewhere. Do a search for that. Verify COM4 or whatever com gps is on. Test out HTC GPS tool to see if you can pick up any satellites. Could possibly be the radio. Many different things you can try out here.
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I understand however I have tried everything. It was working correctly previous to when I hit traffic updates. I tested everything and then reinstalled the program onto my device late last night. It previously worked with niki radio and dutty rom on com4 with almost all the bauds. The A-GPS system did not make it work and it also attempted to connect to the internet. When I try to run AGPS now it doesn't connect to the internet even with it enabled in Kaiser Tweak after a soft reset.

TomTom and WM 6.1
I just switched my ROM over to WM 6.1 ... tom tom looks like it is running fine, but the "check for updates" button under advanced features now just returns an error. Any thoughts? I have disabled my cingular proxy, so that should not be the problem.

weinson said:
I just switched my ROM over to WM 6.1 ... tom tom looks like it is running fine, but the "check for updates" button under advanced features now just returns an error. Any thoughts? I have disabled my cingular proxy, so that should not be the problem.
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whatever you do try not to hit traffic updates. It complete f'd up my gps application, gprs, and my medianet is no longer working for what I can see. They are all enabled too, which makes this even more confusing now. Thinking about doing a hard reset cause I have back up of everything on my pc. Just don't want to be bothered with spending hours updating right now.

ok fixed going to have moderators remove this thread cause nothing usable came out of it.

redbandana said:
ok fixed going to have moderators remove this thread cause nothing usable came out of it.
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Here's an idea: Share with the community, post what you did to fix the problem.

kyphur said:
Here's an idea: Share with the community, post what you did to fix the problem.
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hear hear (esp since I may have the same issue)

Here's an idea: Share with the community, post what you did to fix the problem.
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Yes You are correct and I apologize.
Ok, first I disabled agps and then was not able to get a signal anywhere.
2nd, I removed all TT6 Apps from my phone and TTHome from my PC
3rd, I Removed my SD card and any remaining applications or files that had anything to do with TT6 or the term "navigator" by using the file explorer.
4th, I moved the TT6 cab file to my device and ran it.
5th, I then formatted my SD card from my PC.
6th, Inserted the SD card back into the phone
7th, Moved the Navigator Application from the "Crack" file onto my SD card.
8th, Went into Program Files on my device and deleted the Navigator file that was there.
9th, Moved the Navigator application from the SD card to the navigator file on my device which would be under "program applications". I also moved the US and Canada Maps onto the device.
10th, I reinstalled TTHome onto my PC
11th, Connected Through active sync and set up the TT6 on my device using the appropriate baud and com4.
12th, After installing the updates from TTHome. I again removed TTHome application from my PC. Somehow, only running the updates once will allow the program to work. If I reconnect my device through active sync and TTHome is still installed I will be unable to use the application again on my phone because it will not get a signal if I reupdate.

Simple Problem...(I guess)

Ok, I have never used the GPS feature on my Kaiser(Once a Tilt) till now. I have never needed to cause I didnt have a data plan. I used the routers at school and my house for internet. I got TT7 and I got a data plan cause TomTom is amazing. My GPS doesnt like to work. TomTom says their is no Device Detected. QuickGPS fails. The HTC GPS tool fails.....how can i troubleshoot my gps? Just a point in the right direction would help. (FWI, HD_III_OPAL WWE, 1.65.24.36)

DemoShadow said:
....my Kaiser(Once a Tilt)
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What does that mean? Have you added a camera and changed the case as well as the ROM?
QuickGPS fails. The HTC GPS tool fails.....how can i troubleshoot my gps?
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Fails in what way? The TyTN II I have, works ok with the version of Tomtom Navigator it came with but as TTN 7 isn't officially released (yet?) as an upgrade, all I can suggest is to go back to basics, perhaps trying the setup on my TyTN II in my sig. Otherwise maybe someone who's used TTN 7 on the TyTN II can advise you. Do a search in the Kaiser software forum, there were lots of GPS related posts in there.

I got it to work, my GPS settings were incorrect. Yea and TT7 works...I just downloaded the one free map that was close by, if I need to go anywhere else I will copy the maps from my "Official SD Map Card"
*edit* quick question...is gps on kaiser free?

DemoShadow said:
I got it to work, my GPS settings were incorrect. Yea and TT7 works...I just downloaded the one free map that was close by, if I need to go anywhere else I will copy the maps from my "Official SD Map Card"
*edit* quick question...is gps on kaiser free?
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if your set has an inbuilt GPS reciever then it should be free irrespective of what plan you have ...except for whatever you need to shell out to buy the gps software and maps...

DemoShadow said:
I*edit* quick question...is gps on kaiser free?
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It depends which Kaiser and where it was bought. The HTC Original TyTN II sold here in the UK came with TTN 6.032 on CDROM in the box but just like with the version you have it only allowed free download of one 'city' map. Any additional maps had to be bought and the number that went with the map could only be used on that device.

DemoShadow said:
*edit* quick question...is gps on kaiser free?
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The Kaiser's GPS receiver is integrated in the phone and doesn't need anything network-related to function (so yes, it's free in itself). It will give any program that wants it the current position, speed, heading etc of the phone.
I.e. there was no point in you "not using the GPS because you didn't have a data plan".
Then what might require a data plan or paying something is the program in question. There are 2 types of programs, those like Google maps or MS Live that are free to download and use, but DO need a data connection as they will download the map data from the net on request while navigating.
The other type like TomTom, MioMap etc do NOT need data as they store the entire maps locally on the memory card, however they are payware so you have to buy them in the first place.

How to Test Xperia GPS?

Hi,
I bought my Xperia 1 day ago, it's really good device. But I'm having some problems with GPS. Google maps starts to scanning for satellites for ages and never stops. I also tried the "Chartcross Gps Test" program and it finds the gps but it's always on "GPS Starting up" status.
Does anybody nows how to test it ? Or if there is something that i have to enable first? (all the configs are default - like in a hard reset)

It should work straight out the box. Try the quick GPS download in the Programs>tools folder. Downloads the locations of the satalites for the next week to the phone. Since using this, tomtom7 can find my loction in seconds (literrally)

Have you been trying it inside a building? In that case it won't work. I had the same thing with the GPS. In a building there is no connection to satelites, works perfectly though outside and from within a car.

Tomorrow I try google maps.
However I use tomtom. Befor all download effimeral with quick gps.
First of Xperia I have a Polaris. Xperia gps is much better than polaris. And polaris has a very good gps....

Tomtom7
Where did u get the Tomtom7 software for the xperia. A friend of my using his tomtom device and it works really fine! So on my X1 it would be really great if i can use it too!

I don't rememder now, but you can use Diamond tt7. It work fine.

ah thank you! but i can't find the file. could you post me the link for download pls

To test GPS use GPS Test from ChartCross. It's a great, free utility.
http://www.chartcross.co.uk/products/WM00002_details.asp

thank you! ....

Now it's working fine. I have to test it with tomtom later, but with google maps is Ok now. I followed buckle247 and Dryw Filtiarn tips. Now it finds the satellites very quick.
Just one question, google maps requires internet connection and how about TomTom?

One thing that i noticed is that the GPS sometimes doesn't "turn on", because either Chartcross or GoogleMaps can't find the GPS device, however if i turn off and turn on Xperia it finds. Is it normal?

kotarou TomTom doesn't need to run over GPRS as the maps are all stored on the Memory Card, however if you subscribe to traffic data then that will need a GPRS connection.
Also every so often I get the "No GPS Device" sometimes just leaving the phone for a minute makes it appear, other times a soft reset.

Cannot install GpsTest
Hi, I tried to install GpsTest on Windows Vista, but it doesn't work, since GpsTest installer requires ActiveSync. But Activesync refuses to install on Windows Vista, because there is another SmartPhone software.
Does anyone know another versione of GpsTest, compatible with Vista, or a version installable directly on the X1?
Thanx!

kotarou said:
Hi,
I bought my Xperia 1 day ago, it's really good device. But I'm having some problems with GPS. Google maps starts to scanning for satellites for ages and never stops. I also tried the "Chartcross Gps Test" program and it finds the gps but it's always on "GPS Starting up" status.
Does anybody nows how to test it ? Or if there is something that i have to enable first? (all the configs are default - like in a hard reset)
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Found a fix
If your 3G data is switched off, then you won't be charged for anything. GPS won't charge you as it is tracking signals from satellites, much like a Sat Nav.

GPS issue on AT&T Tilt [Please Help]

I have Tom Tom on my device and it was working great until recently when i blocked data on my account (I read somewhere here GPS doesn't use data) so now the GPS tracking doesn't work anymore. Is there a way to fix it or do i have to go put my data back on (and does GPS use alot of data so i have to purchase a plan?).
unlocked AT*T Tilt on Fido network

Now I don't know loads about GPS, but I do know that Assisted GPS (AGPS) uses data, and that helps you get a GPS fix by using pre-calculated information on a remote server. Though you are not using data to download maps if you are using Tom Tom, your GPS might have been using AGPS to speed up the time it takes for the GPS to locate you. As I mentioned though, I'm not super knowledgeable about GPS, so I might not be right. This is just a theory though.
Dave

Tom Tom use does not require a data plan for operation.
The tilt has a built in GPS chip so it does not require assistance (data plan) to find your location like some other phones.
However if you use any of the features in Tom Tom that require an internet connection like Tom Tom traffic, you will need an internet connection (data plan).
TW,

Tiger Woods is correct (I just wanted to say that like I actualyl know TIger Woods)... But seriously...
Tom Tom and a few otehr programs do not require you to use aq data plan as mentioned.. These programs store their maps on your device (well, usually the microSD card)... The TomTom US map is nearly 1 gb... The advantage with this type of program is that you do not need to be within cellular range for it to work.. and it doesn;t use data for map info... The bad pat is you have to have a 1gb map sitting there takign up room on your card...
Other GPS programs like MS Live Search, Google, and many others stream in the map info from your data plan via cell tower... The GPS part itself doesn;t need the data plan, but the programs that operate this way do... You could be using "A-GPS"... It stands for Assisted GPS and is called that because the towers stream the GPS location that they are and assists your phone in figuring outs its location... Luckily the Tilt offers both A-GPS and "True"-GPS... so you can use it either way...
I would suggest buying a copy of TomTom and using that as it is great.. uses the true GPS.. and if you have a 2gb or higher microSD card you should be fine.. I use an 8gb myself and have tons of software installed on it, music, movies, tomtom, and more...
Plus I have also found that I can use ORB on my phone using pIE and stream full screen video or music from my computer (if you are in a wifi hot-spot)...
I hope I was helpful.... and took some of the pressure off of Tiger Woods helping you.. that guy neeeds to concentrate on his golf game...

On a trip back from vegas I was able to leave my phone on airplane mode and use gpstoday to watch our speed.

Disable AGPS (Assisted GPS) and you will be fine. If you dont know how than use the built-in search to find a tool to disable it.

just use wifi to update the info needed to speed up gps

cogcaviz24 said:
just use wifi to update the info needed to speed up gps
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correct, before using tomtom, you should:
1) update quickgps and/or quickposition if you have them
2) open gps with gpstest or htc_gps_tool (However if you are using htc_gps_tool you must leave it open)
3) open tomtom (w/assisted gps turned off of course)
I usually have zero issues now finding a satellite within a few seconds.

I have Tom-Tom. A fast lock comes from the data plan and since you have it off, you go solely on the GPS driver AT&T provides. I think your issue is not that the GPS is not working, but the GPS is taking forever to get a lock. When I have the Stock crapy AT&T rom installed and turn data off; it takes 10 to 15+ minutes to get a lock (same goes for 3 of my friends here in southern California USA). I have no idea why AT&T screwed this up; I think the change was to help battery life. So to fix this, I have started by using cooked ROMs, and finally use my own cooked ROMs. With my current Rom I get a REAL GPS lock in less than 2 minutes. Also I have found -G-'s DK 10 Final rom also has an extremely fast GPS lock. And Hyper Dragon is also somewhat fast 3-4 minutes. Have you tried a different Rom?