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GPS fails to initiate ... help.

i cannot get the GPS to start working again in the GPS photo. it says the GPS failed to initiate.
anyone had this problem before?
any fix ?
QuickGPS is not updating correctly as well.
thanks.
eric

LOL, just posted my fix in another thread. Try this... Run Windows Live or Google Maps, keep it running then switch to your camera. Go to the gps photo section and it should now initialize within seconds. Take your picture then upload it to GPS Visualizer, seems to be very accurate!

still says cannot initialize the GPS service

Have you been fiddling with the settings in the External GPS control panel applet? It's known that changing them, even if changing them back, kills your GPS. Only a hard reset seems to fix it.

FloatingFatMan said:
Have you been fiddling with the settings in the External GPS control panel applet? It's known that changing them, even if changing them back, kills your GPS. Only a hard reset seems to fix it.
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yes i have, damn.

FloatingFatMan said:
Have you been fiddling with the settings in the External GPS control panel applet? It's known that changing them, even if changing them back, kills your GPS. Only a hard reset seems to fix it.
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Bs.
A soft-reset does the trick

I can't get the GPS to work with ANY program. I have NOT messed with the external GPS settings because I read in more than one place that it can mess things up.
It worked the first day I got my phone (initiated with QuickGPS then tested working with Google Maps) but hasn't worked since then. Not a single program I have tried will work with GPS. QuickGPS seems to download (it reaches 100%) but then errors out.
Any suggestions?
.:Christian:.

The best way to get gps activated is by GPS Viewer. You can find it on Google. It is freeware (as far as I can remember). It has been discussed in this forum several times. Set gps (through GPS viewer) to be at COM4 and 4800 baud rate. Then turn on Google maps or Tom Tom or any other GPS using program and wait for up to a minute. Usually it takes less. Once it connects, it works like a charm. The gps part of the phone is excellent. It picks up from within the car, even within the house.

Yeah, I tried that. It never showed anything. No satellites, nothing. The other thing is that I have to soft reset once I try to use the GPS because it slows down my phone so bad.
.:Christian:.

Sherpa posted GPSInit on this forum, it is a very basic app that connects to Com4 at 4800 baud, nothing more. Try that, it should start the GPS. The minimize ( not exit, that closes the GPS) and run the software you want tom use the GPS. If that does not work, your unit may be faulty and you can try a hard-reset.

I tried GPSInit. It said it opened COM4 OK. After that I tried 3 different programs - Google Maps, Map4PDA and Pocket Streets. None of them showed any satellites or any GPS information.
I guess I can try a hard reset if that is my only other option. I have soft reset this thing so many times, I doubt it is going to work again w/o hard reset.
.:Christian:.
P.S. The thing is, I don't know what I did wrong. I did not go into the external GPS settings at all. I guess I can try that, seeing as how it can't hurt me anymore. I just don't want to go through this again every time I want to use the GPS.

After you initiate the GPS with GPSinit, does the red led start blinking on the right of the speaker? If not, your GPS is not working. If it does, do not exit or close GPSInit, since that will close the GPS. Just minimalize it and start another GPS using software, like GPSViewer. Go outside first, and wait a few minutes. The GPS should then get a fix. Then fire up Google Maps and see if it works. Google Maps has a GPS time-out that is too short, meaning you must have a fix with GPS Viewer before starting Google, or the app will time out before a fix is acquired.

I think Koksie means Orange light not Red
Mike

mikechannon said:
I think Koksie means Orange light not Red
Mike
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Correct, sorry.

Koksie said:
After you initiate the GPS with GPSinit, does the red led start blinking on the right of the speaker? If not, your GPS is not working. If it does, do not exit or close GPSInit, since that will close the GPS. Just minimalize it and start another GPS using software, like GPSViewer. Go outside first, and wait a few minutes. The GPS should then get a fix. Then fire up Google Maps and see if it works. Google Maps has a GPS time-out that is too short, meaning you must have a fix with GPS Viewer before starting Google, or the app will time out before a fix is acquired.
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Yes, the orange light starts blinking whenever I use an app that uses GPS. Thing is, it never acquires a signal. I have waited up to 10 minutes, sometimes longer.
Another interesting fact - before, whenever I would use a GPS app, the light would never stop blinking when I exited the app, like it wasn't releasing the GPS or something. Ever since I went into the External GPS app, at least now the light stops blinking whenever I exit a GPS app, restoring my phone to a usable condition. Before, the light would always be blinking and my phone would be very, very slow.
You didn't answer my question about what hardware port the GPS should be on. I know the s/w port is COM4.
Thanks,
.:Christian:.

Still can't GPS to work... can anyone help?

I've just got the Vario III new from T-Mobile UK, and I just can't the GPS get to receive any signals. I guess there is no "in box" way of testing the GPS, so I downloaded MS Live Search, and in there the "Centre on GPS". Previously, I set the hardware to COM0, 4800 Baud, autostart GPS by appilcation. In Live Search, I equally set it to COM0.
When is press the "centra on GPS", the righ hand side orange LED starts blinking, and the message inside Live Search is something like "retrieving GPS datat", but that's it. Nothing more happens.
I've also tried it with TomTom, but no result here either, other than the message "invalid GPS data".
I've called T-Mobile support to find out if there's anything on their side that needs doing, but apparently not.
So, I'm pretty stuck. Does anyone have an idea what I could try? Thanks!

First off, never ever go into the External GPS settings in the control panel. The general consensus around here is that it almost always requires a hard reset after messing with that. If you did, make sure it's set to COM4, 4800 baud.
Make sure your apps are set to COM4, 4800 baud. If that fails, a hard reset may be in order.
Why did you set it to COM0? Did someone tell you to do that?

I set it to to COM0 just to try SOMETHING.
I guess a hard reset is in order
So I just leave the GPS settings be and don't even touch them, yes?

Ok, so I've just done a hard reset.
The one and only thing I've done is install Live Search.
In the prefs of it, COM4 was automatically selected.
Hit "centre on GPS", with absolutely no reaction other than "Getting GPS position".
Any further thoughts? Hardware fault? Software issue?

The signal from GPS satellites is very low powered. ANY obstructions to the sky can cause a failure. My handheld Garmin GPSs and my Tilt will not get a lock in the house. Outside; buildings, trees, land masses and clouds all prevent a good lock. From my experiences with the Tilt, I have to get out into the open and wait 5-10 minutes or more for a lock.

Download the new google mobile maps and try that. It seems to get a fix quickly and doesnt time out as quickly as the older version (and some other gps enabled apps).

Cool, I got it to work. I left the device outside on the balcony for 10 minutes, and Live Search did lock in on me.
I now downloaded Google Mobile Maps, but couldn't locate a GPS function (I downloaded it from their website). Am I blind?

The thing that worked for me was to install GPS Viewer (freeware, you can Google it) and then open GPS from there. It takes about a minute to connect but then it stays on and interfaces with Tomtom very well. Prior to running it, please also download and run QuickGPS (it comes as loaded software with Kaiser, you may have to download it also as freeware, helps keep the connection steady; it is advised to download QuickGPS once a week, this is as long as its effect lasts, don't know why). The combination of QuickGPS and GPSViewer works very well.

naujoks said:
I now downloaded Google Mobile Maps, but couldn't locate a GPS function (I downloaded it from their website). Am I blind?
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Menu | Track Location

Hmm no, I dont have that menu item. Maybe I got an older version of it after all?

It's "Menu | Show My Location" on mine.
BTW, I saw a trick on another thread which worked very well for me. Enable the GPS Photo option (by using Kaiser Tweak or tweaking the registry) and open that first. It seems to get a fix very quickly. Once it's got one, you can close it and open any other GPS program like google maps and it tracks instantly. I also have QuickGPS installed and updated so that probably helps too.

After hard resetting twice, I have never run the QuickGPS program and I get a fix every time in less than a minute, even inside my house (by a window).
One program I highly recommend never using until it is updated is Map4PDA. It killed my GPS, requiring a hard reset.

Download GPS Test, run and confirm signal strength by satellite. That should solve your issue or at least answer the question of functionality.

GPS Not functioning

I screwed my Kaiser gps by trying to use map4pda which automatically changed the port in settings for gps. What can I do? Gps not working anymore,even after putting back the old settings and doing softresets,even took out the battery for a while
Not a single program can find my inbuilt gps now
I do not want to do a hard reset,I have tooo many progs and no backup
Please help

I am afraid to use any other gps program(even after a hard reset) because this could ruin my gps settings
I read somewhere that gps applet is misconfigured(from factory)..and even a slight modification to it,could lead to my gps not functioning till a hard-reset.
Also it's not normal that a program can modify the gps'settings by itself

I have bad news for you, but at least it confirms that Map4PDA is a bad program. I used to love the program. It worked awesome on my 8525. You can have it use MSN, Yahoo or Google Maps.
I installed it on my Tilt and at first I didn't realize that it was the culprit. Then I hard reset and installed only that program and a few others to test GPS. Once I ran Map4PDA, GPS no workie. Hard reset again.
I have not run it since my last hard reset and my GPS still works perfect....and I have used many, many different GPS programs.
So with all that said, I'm afraid a hard reset is your only option. I am not the only one that got bit by this. I posted in another thread here and a few others had the same results as me.

Lidberg said:
I have bad news for you, but at least it confirms that Map4PDA is a bad program. I used to love the program. It worked awesome on my 8525. You can have it use MSN, Yahoo or Google Maps.
I installed it on my Tilt and at first I didn't realize that it was the culprit. Then I hard reset and installed only that program and a few others to test GPS. Once I ran Map4PDA, GPS no workie. Hard reset again.
I have not run it since my last hard reset and my GPS still works perfect....and I have used many, many different GPS programs.
So with all that said, I'm afraid a hard reset is your only option. I am not the only one that got bit by this. I posted in another thread here and a few others had the same results as me.
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Thank you for the info..
Are you sure this is the only gps program that messes up the gps?
Did you test Igo,GpsTuner,GpsGate,Pathaway professional,GeoScout??
But Gloposis,BeeLine gps??
Any other incompatibilities?
Thx

I haven't tested all of those. Here's what I have on my phone right now:
FFF (finger friendly friends)
Google Maps
Live Search
GPS test
GPS Utilities
GPS viewer
GPSinfo
Navigator II
TomTom 6
TrackMe
Virtual Earth
VisualGPSce
I think the other ones will be safe. Map4PDA is the only one I've heard of that kills the Kaiser GPS.

A hard reset is your only option and shouldnt be a nightmare.
Work out what apps you want, check you have the cabs etc, sync your device with your pc and away you go.
I keep all my favourite apps cabs on my storage card so that I could hard reset even if away from my laptop (but I do have an exchange server so setting up sync remotely is also easy).

Reinstalling 60 applications IS very time-consuming,let alone the time to configure them and the OS just the way I like them.
But giving that I do not have any other chance,I'll do it
My only concern is that I'll install other application which will kill again my gps and I have to take all from the beggining. I come from an Eten X500 and this was never happened to me.There , NO application could change some system settings..

emariu said:
Reinstalling 60 applications IS very time-consuming,let alone the time to configure them and the OS just the way I like them.
But giving that I do not have any other chance,I'll do it
My only concern is that I'll install other application which will kill again my gps and I have to take all from the beggining. I come from an Eten X500 and this was never happened to me.There , NO application could change some system settings..
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I too noticed that using different GPS software tends to screw up something on my Tilt. I've used Google Maps and MS Live Search and these tend to screw things up to the point that the GPS is useless. I also have Copilot Live 7 installed and this program has the ability to reset the GPS on my device.
For those not familiar with Copilot, when you go to the Settings panel in Copilot and choose Reset GPS, it asks you to enter a city within 100 miles of your current location in order to reset your GPS properly. If someone could develop an app to replicate this... This would be a great standalone app for all Tilt & variant owners.

But if the gps is already dead,how will Copilot know which city is in 100 miles radius ??it cannot tell the current location,beacuse it cannot get a fix from sattelites...so one cannot do a reset to the gps..

what about a backup? make a backup before you install an app that you don't know if it works or not, install/run app, if all is good, no worries. if all is bad, restore from backup.
the Tilt ROM comes with sprite backup and htc backup is flating around this forum...

emariu said:
But if the gps is already dead,how will Copilot know which city is in 100 miles radius ??it cannot tell the current location,beacuse it cannot get a fix from sattelites...so one cannot do a reset to the gps..
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Not sure how this works, but I've been able to get my GPS working again every time with this feature.

If entering a location with Copilot fixes your GPS, then it wasnt broken to begin with. Just because Google Maps cant get a fix, doesnt mean that your GPS isnt working (all it means is that you need to download the new google maps which is a lot better).
One needs to think about such problems logically. When you open a GPS enabled APP and try to get a fix, does the orange GPS light flash on the device. If it does, then your gps is working with your device. If it then fails to get a fix it is because it cannot see the satellites. Make sure you are giving it a clean line of sight to the sky (ideally to the south if you live in UK).
If the orange light doesn't come on then your com port settings are wrong and its hard reset time.
Oh and if your GPS is working but seems to take a long time to get a fix, then use QUICKGPS to give it a prod.

In the external GPS settings programs tab set to 4800, in the hardware tab gps hardware port select none, baud rate should be at 4800. In te access tab tick manage gps automatically.
Load the TomTom app that comes with the Kaiser or download it from here. go to config on the gps settings within TomTom and it will right itself

Make a backup of the registry and put is back in this situations, easy and fast when you try different programs.
Btw Igo works fine also Nusa maps (Indonesia), Map King pro and Papa Go..

unwired4 said:
If entering a location with Copilot fixes your GPS, then it wasnt broken to begin with. Just because Google Maps cant get a fix, doesnt mean that your GPS isnt working (all it means is that you need to download the new google maps which is a lot better).
One needs to think about such problems logically. When you open a GPS enabled APP and try to get a fix, does the orange GPS light flash on the device. If it does, then your gps is working with your device. If it then fails to get a fix it is because it cannot see the satellites. Make sure you are giving it a clean line of sight to the sky (ideally to the south if you live in UK).
If the orange light doesn't come on then your com port settings are wrong and its hard reset time.
Oh and if your GPS is working but seems to take a long time to get a fix, then use QUICKGPS to give it a prod.
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That's not true in every circumstance. Like the OP, I installed Map4PDA. When you run the program, it searches for the GPS (you can't specify what COM port to use manually) and in my case, hangs on COM3 for whatever reason. I let it sit for over an hour and ended up doing a soft reset because the program was unresponsive.
After that, my GPS would not work in ANY program that it worked in previously. I checked and double-checked my settings to no avail. I posted here and on MoDaCo and got some good advice but in the end, only a hard reset fixed it. Yes, the GPS light would blink but my Tilt would run very, very slowly and would never get a fix. That QuickGPS program would error out every time I ran it. I don't know what Map4PDA did, but it hosed my GPS and it looks like the OP got bit too.
Since my last hard reset, I have installed tons of GPS enabled programs and they all work just fine. I also have never run QuickGPS and I can get a fix within 10 seconds in any program.
I know it's not logical, but that is what worked for me.
EDIT: I don't advocate the spreading of paid for s/w, but I would be curious to see if your CoPilot program would successfully reset the OP's GPS.

If a gps program asks for manual configuration of hardware gps port and the baudrate,what should I input? Like Igo for ex....or GpsTuner...

emariu said:
If a gps program asks for manual configuration of hardware gps port and the baudrate,what should I input? Like Igo for ex....or GpsTuner...
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COM4, 4800 baud

this com 4 is a program port,it's not the harware gps (native) port..
can we find out which port number is the default(hardware)?
But thnks anyway for the answers

COM4 is what works. Yes, technically, it's a soft port, but it has worked with every GPS enabled program I've tried (except for Map4PDA but that is another story).
The neato thing about that is that it allows more than one program to access the GPS at the same time. If you go directly to the hardware, you lose that functionality.

Lidberg said:
COM4 is what works. Yes, technically, it's a soft port, but it has worked with every GPS enabled program I've tried (except for Map4PDA but that is another story).
The neato thing about that is that it allows more than one program to access the GPS at the same time. If you go directly to the hardware, you lose that functionality.
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I use GpsGate anyway,so using multiple gps programs at once isn't a problem for me,BUT because I cannot use hardware port, we are stucked with 4800 baudrate,which is a limitation only with soft multiplexer(built in the OS)

Google Navigator messing up GPS Settings

gd evening all,
I need your help:
2 days ago, i was using my gps with 2 differents softwares (MioMap + BeelineGPS) i use for months , gps worked flawlessly as usual.
Then I decided to try a new soft and have installed: Google Navigator.
Google Navigator was freezing for a few seconds each time i touched a menu or anything, so i closed the program.
Since then, my GPS receiver isn't working anymore. NO program could find the gps anymore.
I suspected correctly Google Navigator messing up with the parameters of the GPS receiver (Start Menu > Settings > System > External GPS).
Indeed, GPS Program port was changed to 'none', and hardware gps to COM4 (gps access IS checked still to "Manage GPS automatically").
By memory, i remember that GPS program port should be COM4 abd Hardware gps port to none. (just the opposite of the settings i had). So i put the settings back as it.
Now :
-BeelineGPS seem to be able to "see" the gps. However, it sees NO satellites (nomally it sees some satellite and then try to calculate the first fix... but here... it doesn't see any sattellite, so can't even start calculating a fix!).
-Miomap freeze at startup now (complete freeze) , probably because of this gps issue.
-and last but not least : GPS light on the kaiser is RED (was it always red ??? i don't think so.) It s the red light at the most right of the lights row that is blinking red when launching any gps program.
Is there any other setting somewhere that this Google navigator could have messed up with ?? (a registry maybe ??) (I ve uninstalled Google Navigator , problem is still there)
Any help PLEASE, thank you, and happy new year all.

UP
I need ur help.
Can anybody tell me AT LEAST if my settings are correct for the 3 tabs of "external gps" ?

Just writing down the solution for other people who might have this problem in the future (can avoid a hard reset!)
Apparently Google Navigator changed also the registry "InterfaceType" :
I had
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\GPSOneDevice]
"InterfaceType"="COMM"
changed it now to
"InterfaceType"="POLL"
And here it works immediately !! got a fix in 15 seconds.
that simple

Thanks for posting the solution to your problem.
I will admit that I have not tried too many bits of software yet on the GPS port, but if all else failed then I would be tempted to do a hard reset and not install the problem bit of software again.
Next time someone has this issue they can search the threads and find this one and get it sorted
Pat yourself on the back for getting it right

I Have a similar problem with Google Navigator.
Just like you, everything was working fine until i installed Google navigator and my GPS doesnt work at all.
I read your post and noticed however that you had slightly different changes than i have.
My "InterfaceType"="POLL" stayed the same didnt change and i still cant get the GPS to work.
Please help!!

OK I finally got my GPS working. I searched and searched and realised that Like you, the registries were changed by Google Navigator.
I went through all off them and found two that were off and changed them.
DO NOT INSTALL GOOGLE NAVIGATOR.
Other than changing your registry values, it it slow as hell, nealry freezes your phone and its completly useless.
STAY AWAY

kaemon said:
Just writing down the solution for other people who might have this problem in the future (can avoid a hard reset!)
Apparently Google Navigator changed also the registry "InterfaceType" :
I had
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\GPSOneDevice]
"InterfaceType"="COMM"
changed it now to
"InterfaceType"="POLL"
And here it works immediately !! got a fix in 15 seconds.
that simple
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this tip was a lifesaver for me! thanks bro!!
i dont know which software messed up my registry settings (maybe gpsid tool floating around the net, or maybe one of the gps nav software i installed - mapking, mgmaps, google maps - BUT after changing the registry value back to POLL, everything works (including quickgps, which was refusing to accept any xtra.bin file)
THANKS ONCE AGAIN!

vinitwins said:
this tip was a lifesaver for me! thanks bro!!
i dont know which software messed up my registry settings (maybe gpsid tool floating around the net, or maybe one of the gps nav software i installed - mapking, mgmaps, google maps - BUT after changing the registry value back to POLL, everything works (including quickgps, which was refusing to accept any xtra.bin file)
THANKS ONCE AGAIN!
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Did you, by chance, ever use Map4PDA? I had posted awhile back about Map4PDA killing the GPS in my Tilt. Twice, even. I advised anyone and everyone never to use that program until it is updated. I'm wondering if that program made the same reg change because after I used Map4PDA, I could not get my GPS working until I hard reset. Many other people had the same issue as me.

I have similar problems with Google Navigator and it was not changing my registry settings... So if anybody knows the solution please wrote down it here.

Lidberg said:
Did you, by chance, ever use Map4PDA? I had posted awhile back about Map4PDA killing the GPS in my Tilt. Twice, even. I advised anyone and everyone never to use that program until it is updated. I'm wondering if that program made the same reg change because after I used Map4PDA, I could not get my GPS working until I hard reset. Many other people had the same issue as me.
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no i havent tried map4pda - i think the culprit in my case was either MAPKING or an older version of GPSID (i'm using a tytn2 with wm6 and that has its own control panel app for assigning virtual com ports to the inbuilt gps)
in any case, that simple registry change saved me from a hard reset!

bluemamba said:
OK I finally got my GPS working. I searched and searched and realised that Like you, the registries were changed by Google Navigator.
I went through all off them and found two that were off and changed them.
DO NOT INSTALL GOOGLE NAVIGATOR.
Other than changing your registry values, it it slow as hell, nealry freezes your phone and its completly useless.
STAY AWAY
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Can you tell which were the two modified registries modified to "off", how you identified them and what was the changes you applied instead "off"?
Thanks.

Locked GPS

Hi I have a T-Mobile Compact IV (HTC Diamond I believe) and my GPS has just stopped working. It comes with CoPilot LIve 7 Trial and has been working fine until I bought the licence code for the full version.
Now it says there is 'No GPS Signal' when I run CoPilot. I have tried QuickGPS and Google Maps (both pre installed like CoPilot) and neither of thoses apps work either!
I have read that the GPS chicp could be locked? Anybody came accross this problem before or have a solution to this. I have emailed T-Mobile, HTC and the makers of CoPilot. Seems like nobody is interested in helping now that I have shelled out for a licence code.
Any help here would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

GPS chip cannot be "locked" out...forget that
There are a number of great threads relating to GPS issues exactly as you described (too numerous to list though...) suggest you have a quick search and move on from there...
I expect that you need to clear the embedded data (use HTC GPS Tool, and clear memory) and then be patient for a first fix.......confident this will work for you

i'd also recomend GPS Tool, its availible here.
Just download the .cab file and run it on your MDACIV

Thanks for the reply guys. I have downloaded and tried the HTC GPS tool and it doesn't seem to find anything. All I get is the error 'Failed to send NMEA command'.
I have just downloaded Google Maps and tested that with the GPS setting and it just sits there saying 'Seeking GPS Satelites (0)...' for ages.
I have also tried lots of the other suggestions in this forum but with no luck. Its almost as if there is no GPS built into this. The only things I have hope for is to hard reset the MDA or to update the ROM/Radio. Tried using the reg edit tool and adv config tool to see if any settings are causing a problem? Could it be the update to comapct farmework 3.5 or the settings for the IP phone?
Unfortunatly I have followed the instructions to hard reset the MDA but it just seems to soft reset, plus what will happen to my installation of CoPilot as it was pre-installed with the phone. I have a backup done with the Sprite Backup tool that came with the phone but will this restore programs if the device is reset?
And the ROMs are all for the HTC Diamond. Plus not too sure about invalidating my warranty with an update.
Really starting to think the GPS has just broke on me. Which is a bit odd since it hasn't been dropped or damaged etc...
Starting to get a bit frustrated as there doesn't seem to be a conclusive answer any where on the web and no supplier is getting back to me (wonder why...?)

OK...it lookslike you have a few more options now....
First thing is make a backup! Do this now and save it to Internal Storage.
A Hard reset appears to be the next option...its fiddely to organise, but it sounds like you need to get a "fresh" install. I would then only install the HTC GPS Tool and then try and find your GPS using standard setting as installed. If it cannot be found then perhaps you have an issue with the unit itself.
As for your co-pilot, surely you have the install cab or disc that came with the unit?
Right now you need to know:
i) Are just the settings screwed up, or
ii) Do I have a faulty unit.....
If it faulty you want to keep the original ROM for warranty purpose (so don't flash that........yet!)

Hold on...
GPS is always OFF until the phone comes out of 'flight mode'. You can do this by activating at least one of the following (phone, BT, Wifi).
Some applications like Igo8 are able to access the GPS whilst the phone is in flight mode.
Other apps such as TT, GPS Tuner, BeelineGPS etc need the non-flight mode.
This can be set in the Comms Manager.

topspeclt said:
Hold on...
GPS is always OFF until the phone comes out of 'flight mode'. You can do this by activating at least one of the following (phone, BT, Wifi).
Other apps such as TT, GPS Tuner, BeelineGPS etc need the non-flight mode.
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Not as far I am aware. I can and have run TT6 with flight mode engaged - on a BA flight. It starts by saying flight mode engaged at the bottom left, but still finds the satelites (as long as you are next to the window).
And yes BA allow the use of GPS for flights except at take off and landing.

Thanks everyone for the replies.
But I took the plunge and dislocated my fingers to perform a hard reset. After the hard reset the phone automatically re-installed all the supplied apps (CoPilot, Google Maps etc...) and it worked fine.
Tried lots of suggestions and tools but this is the only thiong that has worked. I have read lots of conflicting posts about how the GPS can lock due to several apps attempting to use it while other say its due to the phone not having it enabled as default. And then others say it can't lock!
At the end of the day the GPS worked in the morning and then stopped in the afternoon after no fiddling with the phone. This makes me feel like it could happen again.
As I write this I have just had my first manufacturer response. Its from the makers of CoPilot. They have posted the following :
Please go to Start Menu | Settings | System / GPS
• At the bottom left hand corner of the screen please select Programs and change the GPS program port to COM 4.
• Select Hardware at the bottom left hand corner of the screen and make sure the GPS hardware port to be set to COM 3 and the Baud Rate to 4800.
• Finally at the bottom left hand corner of the screen Select Access and check if the box Manage GPS automatically is ticked.
• Also, please go into START | SETTINGS | CONNECTIONS | BEAM
Please ensure that the beam is unticked as this affects the GPS pickup.
• Also ensure that you do not have any other GPS program installed on the device as this could also affect the GPS setup in Copilot.
2. Launch CoPilot Live on your Pocket PC (Tap on ""Start --> CoPilot Live"")
a. In the ""GPS"" menu, tap ""Options"" and tap on ""Setup GPS""
b. Tap on ""Manual"" and in the ""GPS Com Port and Baud Rate"" section, select the COM port and Baud Rate as provided by your GPS manufacturer (Com 4, Baud Rate: 9600). If you do not know this information, tap the ""Automatic"", then tap ""Next"" and CoPilot Live will search all available ports for your receiver. Note: If you are using a Bluetooth GPS receiver, your Pocket PC's Bluetooth Manager must be aware of the device before CoPilot Live can detect it.
c. Tap ""OK"" at the top of the screen to close the GPS Options. Note: CoPilot will remember the GPS settings on exit, so you will only need to configure your GPS on the first use.
Would like to have tried this but I spent quite a bit of time messing with COM port setting et all... and nothing seemed to work. Ho hum.
Anyhoo, again thanks everybody from your help.
Andrew