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What should i choose....

I am going to switch my hermes into something new, I have the S730, HTC Touch, Touch Dual and Kaiser in my hands right now, and I just cant decide!!
and if that wasn't enough, I also have the Cruise to choose as well.
But which one? I really like the Touch models (leaning toward the Htc Touch and not the Dual) because of their size, they are perfect to just have in your pocket. However, GPS and 3G would be nice! and that has the Kaiser and the Cruise. So there it is just a matter of keyboard and fat or no keyboard and slim.
what should I choose? i don't use the keyboard that much, but hey, it is there waiting for me and it is alot faster typing with the keyboard, but on the other hand, slim is nice too..
what would you have choosen?

Kaiser can do a lot more that the oter phones.
But all of them have 1 problem. VIDEO DRIVERS

Why would you buy from HTC again after this latest debacle? Look at the new imates or the Eten phones.

Blowfish64 said:
Why would you buy from HTC again after this latest debacle? Look at the new imates or the Eten phones.
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first of all we don't have eten or Imates in sweden (as far as I know), second I would like to have the Iphone, which is also not availible in sweden, third, my company has settled for htc as their product of choice. I am aware of the driver problems, but not sure how that inflect with a business phone as kaiser for example.
cause this affects 3d and video performance which is not my first priority (although it certainly is nice to watch videos and play some games once in a while)

Blowfish64 said:
Why would you buy from HTC again after this latest debacle? Look at the new imates or the Eten phones.
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Somebody tell me if I'm wrong here but aren't iMates just re-branded HTC units?? AFIAK...
The only thing they change is the start-up screen and a few app's!!
In fact, the last ROM update I had from them for my iMate JasJam (Wizard) still had the HTC boot screen on it.

Buy TYtn II or wait for it's sucessor ?

Hi there ,
I've sold my kaiser 2 days ago, so can't see any better phone in market to buy - so thinking should i buy a kaiser again or wait for it's succesor or go with nokia N95 8gb ?
Please help

It may be a while before the HTC TyTN II's succesor comes out. You may be in for a long wait. Not sure about the Nokia N95- I've heard both good and bad reviews. Not that I'm a style over substance person, but I don't really like the look of it. I think many will agree that the TyTNII is much more attractive than it

Like said above, you may be in for quite a wait if you decide that you want the successor to the TyTn II. That said, the current state of the TyTn II isn't very good, but I have faith that as newer products come out, our amazing devs here at XDA-Developers will be able to ultilize the full potential of the hardware.
That said, if I were in your position, I would probably wait on a different device, or an upgrade to the TyTn II (video drivers).

hey, I don't agree with lot of the ppl here. I don't think that "the state of the tytn II is bad" right now. the tytn II is a great phone, while it doesn't have the best video drivers. (i still watch full movies very good quality by re-sizing and syncing it through windows media player) however, the n95 8 gb is a great phone. if u live in north america id wait for the 3G version to be released, since the curent one doesn't work with north american 3G. the main reason I wouldn't get it is the lack of a touchscreen and lack of free programs. either way u go, u'll be fine. good luck

Getting confused ,When will Tytn II sucessor will come ? any news on Universal successor so called omni ?

Jay_uk said:
Getting confused ,When will Tytn II sucessor will come ? any news on Universal successor so called omni ?
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didnt the tytn II just come out a few days ago, now you waiting for a newer version? lol you wait awhile I think.

Jay_uk said:
Getting confused ,When will Tytn II sucessor will come ? any news on Universal successor so called omni ?
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August/September. Based on the fact that HTC releases this form factor every year around that time.
Was so for the Vario 1, Vario 2 and Vario 3.
No news yet on specifics though. But im betting VGA screens after seeing Manilla.

itsgreen said:
August/September. Based on the fact that HTC releases this form factor every year around that time.
Was so for the Vario 1, Vario 2 and Vario 3.
No news yet on specifics though. But im betting VGA screens after seeing Manilla.
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Quite right mate t-mob release new vario Near sep.
TYTN II Sucessor will have -
Fm radio
Vga
512 ROM

VGA wouldn't hurt, but isn't it about time they do something about storage? It's almost a joke that Tytn II's main competitors have 32x more storage space.
Anyway, I don't think it's worth waiting for, I myself don't have one but will probably buy it this month.

briggs81 said:
didnt the tytn II just come out a few days ago, now you waiting for a newer version? lol you wait awhile I think.
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LMAO! My sentiments exactly. I could have sworn myself that the TyTNII had just been recently released and now people are already demanding its successor

Jay_uk said:
Quite right mate t-mob release new vario Near sep.
TYTN II Sucessor will have -
Fm radio
Vga
512 ROM
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Why do you do this? Why say it "will have" these features when we really have NO IDEA what features it will have? Even people who work for HTC couldn't be certain right now on what the phone will be, since plans can and often do change. Seriously, you're only going to confuse the OP, since he obviously isn't clear on all this stuff...
-Taylor

246810 said:
LMAO! My sentiments exactly. I could have sworn myself that the TyTNII had just been recently released and now people are already demanding its successor
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I suspect the demand for its successor would be far less if HTC would release those &%^$% drivers!!!

tsadek said:
I suspect the demand for its successor would be far less if HTC would release those &%^$% drivers!!!
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Lol! I'm willing to bet that those who complain the loudest will be the first in line to purchase the TyTNIII, even with its crappy drivers.
Thats HTC devices for you. Can't live with it, but can't live without it

IMHO, today, the HP iPAQ 214 + Nokia N95 combo is the best, in every respect. Sure, it's two devices, but, as there's simply no really good converged device out there, you have to live with what you have.

tsadek said:
I suspect the demand for its successor would be far less if HTC would release those &%^$% drivers!!!
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If they DO include the drivers. AFAIK they won't. That is, their future Qualcomm-based devices will also be severely crippled.

Jay_uk said:
Getting confused ,When will Tytn II sucessor will come ? any news on Universal successor so called omni ?
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No Omni news. Today, the closest to it is a N95 + HP 214 combo (with the external Stowaway keyboard if you do need a hardware keyboard)

Facegarden said:
Why do you do this? Why say it "will have" these features when we really have NO IDEA what features it will have? Even people who work for HTC couldn't be certain right now on what the phone will be, since plans can and often do change. Seriously, you're only going to confuse the OP, since he obviously isn't clear on all this stuff...
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Hmm... till now Htc plan is to add those new things to Kaiser successor + 2gb storage -can't say if they changed their specs @ last momemt .

if HTC's history is anything, they will first release a successor to the 6800, then we will see the TyTn III...

depends how cheap you can get the kaiser for

I can get Kaiser for around 340 pounds & N95 8gb for around 360 pounds -what to buy ?

Sold my Vario 3 and bought an iPhone.

And I must say, I wish i had done that months earlier!
Before my Vario 3 i had a HTC Herlard. Before that one i had a MDA compact. And before that i had an HP IPac 1910. So i can say i have some WM experiance.
Now i can compare WM agains my new iPhone and my conclusion.. Windows Mobile sucks!!
First i tought, "it doesnt get any better than WM", now i think "I never had worse than WM". Screw WM and Screw the Kaiser.
The iPhone UI is so smooth and slick and works really fast compared to my stinky Kaiser. I wish i never bought a Kaiser in the first place.
Anyway just to express my WM/Kaiser frustration! Do with it what you want.

I'd get the kevlar and helmet on now mate, and I hope you didn't put your address on your profile

Iphone is a very nice PHONE. Thats all it is and it gets boring very quickly. Kaiser is a lot more customizable and versatile. For looks the iphone wins hands down but if you need 3g, GPS, mms and all the other great features the iphone misses then WM is the only way.

HTC Diamond is good BUT Htc Raphael 100 aka Htc Vario IV is even better

Htc diamond is pretty impressive with its 3D touch flo,etc etc however Htc is also about to release the Htc Raphael aka T-Mobile Vario IV which had all the features of Htc diamond PLUS a lot of extras eg...
Sliding qwerty keyboard like Tytn II
Double the ROM from 256mb to 512mb
Double the RAM from 128mb to 256mb
Micro sd card slot(diamond has none)
Cpu clock speed from 400mhz to 528mhz, etc
Details are as below
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1320&view=1
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1306&view=1
Needless to say if u had not committed to buy the diamond yet hold your horses for about 1 month later approximately u can have better value for money in buying the htc raphael instead.
The only con is that the raphael is slightly heavier at 160gm instead of 110gm for diamond

Sliding qwerty keyboard like Tytn II <-- yes
Double the ROM from 256mb to 512mb <-- yes
Double the RAM from 128mb to 256mb <-- diamond has 192mb ram
Micro sd card slot(diamond has none) <-- yes, but no built in 4GB
Cpu clock speed from 400mhz to 528mhz <-- Use same core platform, CPU speed and graphics etc are identical
You forgot
1340 mAh battery (vario) as opposed to the 900 mAh (diamond)
Vario is 17mm thick, Diamond is 11.3 mm thick
Really the BIGGEST plus for diamond is size, and that IS whats going to decide it for most people. There is a significant difference in the volume of the two phones. You will see many people who are more interested in a style phone to show of to their non WM using friends buying a diamond, and more hardcore WM fans buying the vario.
Anyway, everyone knew the Vario was on its way, pictures of both were leaked at the same time.
oh and expect the vario to cost more too.
PS wrong place for this topic.. there's already one about diamond vs raphael (aka vario) in the corect place: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396150

someone1234 said:
PS wrong place for this topic.. there's already one about diamond vs raphael (aka vario) in the corect place: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396150
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Not really!
The Raphael and Vario differs in specs and they are not the same.
Read the specs carefully on both of these!
The Vario has better specs!!
Double the ROM from 256mb to 512mb
and the RAM from 128mb to 256mb
The ROM and RAM on Raphael is same as Diamond!
KOR!

Vario vs Diamond
The biggest 2 problems that I can see with the Vario are these... First of all, that sliding keyboard is great... but it has been confirmed that there is NO tilt such as seen on the tytn II!
The other biggest problem is the obvious measly 256 Ram. I know you COULD put a chip in, but be honest... 4gb internal memory is a much better option.
Bearing in mind that i recieve about 200 emails a DAY (IT manager!) the diamond just makes much more sense! I use a universal at the moment, and have pre-ordered the Diamond. That lack of tilit screen convinced me to wait for the "second Gen" versions of this series!
I already carry a "monster" around with me. but now i want something that is both stylish and practical. The diamond simply fits that bill! Smart enough to replace my Uni, and also enables me to do stuff like have email on the go, and super fast browsing and vid conferencing. AND i am getting fed up with people brandashing IPhones and wanting me buy one.. Coz its apple!

You also forgot to mention that this device has a tv-out!

this device?
which one? diamond definitely doesnt
so im guessing you meant raphael
thats a gimmick, ive got it on my athena, and in the box they give you vga out cable, not tv out. tv out costs 15 quid extra.
and i have never used it anyway
Rory

Yeah i mean the VARIO.
Go to a friends place, connect your phone to the tv with the tv out and play movies from your 8gb microsd card (or higher... just takes time.)
Go to work, put your presentation on your phone connect it to the beamer and give your presentation .
If these things are really possible, i'd definitely use the tv-out. I never had a phone with this so i dont know how easy to use it is though...

yeah everybody know, just like iphone 2.5->3G . they alway to limit their best technology to suck our pocket! how come a vga on 2.8" and 900mA battery... is today use,
just the UI

No not 256mb Ram but 288mb Ram
Read here and here and here
and it's 18.05 mm instead of 17mm

Alfredos said:
No not 256mb Ram but 288mb Ram
Read here and here and here
and it's 18.05 mm instead of 17mm
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and also here
regards

What about the Touch Pro? Or is that that HTC Raphael?

Yes, the HTC Touch Pro and the HTC Raphael are one and the same.
I currently own a HTC TyTN II and I want to switch to this phone too.
I've made a nice comparison table. I will now translate it to English (from Dutch) and then I will post it.

Someone from another (german) forum guessed that Diamond and Raphael are the same except keyboard and sd-slot. He found a setting in the registry about tv-out, too.
BTW: The Diamond has 528mhz, too.

King of Rapture™ said:
Not really!
The Raphael and Vario differs in specs and they are not the same.
Read the specs carefully on both of these!
The Vario has better specs!!
Double the ROM from 256mb to 512mb
and the RAM from 128mb to 256mb
The ROM and RAM on Raphael is same as Diamond!
KOR!
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That is simply not true. The HTC Raphael (aka Touch Pro) is indentical in spec to the Vario. They are the SAME device just with a slightly different casing and of course the T-Mobile customised ROM.
The Vario IV and the Raphael will both have the same ROM/RAM capacities.

TV-Out
well, as we all know the raph. and the diam. seem to share the same hardware.
so, i was wondering if any of you guys already:
a) either know how the raph. accomplishes that? (extra cable like with iphone) - plugged into what? the usb?
and
b) if there´s any chance to get that working on the diamond too.
anybody able to enlighten me about that?

TarKin said:
well, as we all know the raph. and the diam. seem to share the same hardware.
so, i was wondering if any of you guys already:
a) either know how the raph. accomplishes that? (extra cable like with iphone) - plugged into what? the usb?
and
b) if there´s any chance to get that working on the diamond too.
anybody able to enlighten me about that?
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when at London Diamond launch I seem to remember the Diamond linked live to a video wall unsure if this is only on development platform of the phone, the VGA of this HTC res makes this a more interesting project

someone1234 said:
You will see many people who are more interested in a style phone to show of to their non WM using friends buying a diamond, and more hardcore WM fans buying the vario.
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Not necessarily. Some hardcore WM fans would undoubedly want to make WM seem more stylish, so it becomes more popular and therefore more rapidly, and better, developed.
TarKin said:
well, as we all know the raph. and the diam. seem to share the same hardware.
so, i was wondering if any of you guys already:
a) either know how the raph. accomplishes that? (extra cable like with iphone) - plugged into what? the usb?
and
b) if there´s any chance to get that working on the diamond too.
anybody able to enlighten me about that?
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The HTC specs page seems to imply that the TV Out is through their 'HTC ExtUSB™', which the Diamond has. So, therefore, with the right cable and software, you might be able to get TV Out on the Diamond. However, it probably requires special drivers and stuff that will never be made compatible with the Diamond (otherwise HTC would have put that feature on the Diamond too).

and this is in the diamond rom development because????

RobbinM said:
Yes, the HTC Touch Pro and the HTC Raphael are one and the same.
I currently own a HTC TyTN II and I want to switch to this phone too.
I've made a nice comparison table. I will now translate it to English (from Dutch) and then I will post it.
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Waiting

Dark Fire said:
The HTC specs page seems to imply that the TV Out is through their 'HTC ExtUSB™', which the Diamond has. So, therefore, with the right cable and software, you might be able to get TV Out on the Diamond. However, it probably requires special drivers and stuff that will never be made compatible with the Diamond (otherwise HTC would have put that feature on the Diamond too).
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You are right in that the connector is the same externally, however internally they are slightly different, and that a few additional discrete passive components are required to enable TV Out.
It is unlikely that these are fitted as default. One thing is clear however that the Qualcomm chip used does support TV out, so if the main PCB tracking is common between the two devices, then there is a possibility that the tracking is already in place for the diamond!
Well what does this mean, well it means that there is a chance is could be made to work on the diamond, but I wouldn’t hold your breath!

Need some help with a decision.

Hi guys I'm new here and I mostly just read what you all have to say about the Kaiser and how to improve it. But I was wondering if you guys could help me make a decision. I'm finally going to take the leap and get a TyTN II. I have AT&T and I've played around with my friends Tilt before he fragged it on the Sacramento River and I like it but I much prefer the TyTN II.
So you may be asking what's the problem. Well I've been looking at the soon to be released Touch Pro and have been really considering holding off a bit longer to get that one instead of the TyTN. I've found that while testing the TIlt that I rarely used the tilt feature and the news that the Touch Pro (along with the Diamond) will have a desk top docking station, I no longer see the tilt feature an advantage.
So what do you guys think? Should I hold off on the TyTN and get the Touch Pro? Or just go ahead with the TyTN and see how the Pro turns out?

Hi
I like the Tytn II very much but I have ordered a touch pro. The tilt feature is not so important for me compared to the higher performance, memory and resolution of the touch pro.
And, the Tytn II is sooo 2007 !!
Ciao, D

Cheesy Dave said:
Hi
I like the Tytn II very much but I have ordered a touch pro. The tilt feature is not so important for me compared to the higher performance, memory and resolution of the touch pro.
And, the Tytn II is sooo 2007 !!
Ciao, D
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So when do you get yours? I was thinking about getting one from On The Go Solutions and they have it listed as available in August. I'm really leaning towards the Touch Pro the more I look into it.

And in 2009 Windows Mobile 7 should be coming out, so maybe I should wait until then. Wait in 2010 the 32GB SDHC cards should be coming out, so maybe I should wait to buy a phone that is compatible with those.
But then again , in 2011 the cpu clock speed should be up to 1 GHz, maybe I will wait.
See where I'm going with this ?

denco7 said:
And in 2009 Windows Mobile 7 should be coming out, so maybe I should wait until then. Wait in 2010 the 32GB SDHC cards should be coming out, so maybe I should wait to buy a phone that is compatible with those.
But then again , in 2011 the cpu clock speed should be up to 1 GHz, maybe I will wait.
See where I'm going with this ?
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Yeah I do. I'm not going to wait to long, I was just curious as to what you guys thought. You are more in the know about these things than I so I wanted to make sure I was getting what I really want.

I'll make it easy for you..I'll sell you my 1.5 yr old, problem free TyTn II and I'll buy the Touch Pro ...which I am planning on doing anyway!
The tilt screen is nice but as mentioned it is worth the sacrifice. Besides I betcha some braniac is gonna come out with a Touch Pro "screen tilt mod" sooner or later and waah-lah !