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Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1 - Kaiser killer

Have you seen this phone? It is certainly a Kaiser killer. Maybe now HTC will start to care about graphics acceleration and performance.

have you read thishttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/10/no-wonder-sony-ericssons-xperia-x1-is-so-good-htc-makes-it/ too?

I heard it was HTC too but then i looked at the phone and realised HTC have NEVER had that much style.
Plus its like shooting themselves in the foot is it not. Making one of the best phones in a minute and then giving it to a competitor...

:-o And why HTC does not provide drivers for their branded products?

Time to reverse engineer the drivers?

I think everyones pretty much sussed that there's bigger forces at work with regards to the missing drivers, the amount of press the issue got, no company's arrogant enough towards it's customers to purposely with hold a driver that it somehow could of released. Either it doesn't exist and isn't available or there's hardware issues, that or there's financial constraints.

4Site said:
I heard it was HTC too but then i looked at the phone and realised HTC have NEVER had that much style.
Plus its like shooting themselves in the foot is it not. Making one of the best phones in a minute and then giving it to a competitor...
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Do you actually understand the dynamics here?
HTC have always made devices for other people. Its only recently that they have sold devices under their own branding.
I am not at all suprised that SE are using HTC to make these devices for them. HTC have the production line, experience in touch screen assembly and are expertees in WinMo devices.

i thought the phones HTC made for other people were just rebrands of their own phones.

I'd say this phone was probably born in partnership; SE will have created the external design, HTC came up with the internals. Quite possibly the same internals we'll also see in the Tytn III, Vario 4 etc?
Calling it a "Kaiser killer" is missing the point a little - by the time this phone is released, HTC will be killing the Kaiser itself with their own new devices. This kind of spec (WVGA, strong video performance etc) is exactly what you'd expect of the Kaiser's sequel.

it remains to be seen if this phone even exists, if its not an official announcement, its probably a load of crap

andaroo said:
it remains to be seen if this phone even exists, if its not an official announcement, its probably a load of crap
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It is an official announcement, and it does exist (there was a press conference on it at Mobile World Conference yesterday). It's even on the Sony Ericsson website - http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/mobilephones/overview/x1?lc=en&cc=GB
There's also a minisite complete with video here - http://www.sonyericsson.com/x1/default.aspx?cc=gb&lc=en - so yes, it's pretty official!
Won't be on the market until the second half of the year, though, by which time I'm sure it will have competition.

1. does this phone have drivers?
2. which processor?
3. ram?

what we should be asking is,
does this phone have 3d hardware support because drivers arent any good without the hardware!!!

And here is the Press Release but there's no mention of any kind of processor, i think we'll have to wait for further infos since it's only the GSMA's Mobile World Congress, Sony tried to impress masses and make publicity, technical stuff will be for later.

According to this hands-on article here - http://www.theunwired.net/?item=mwc...-ericsson-xperia-x1-windows-mobile-smartphone - the processor is a Qualcomm 520mhz, no surprise really since this is a HTC phone under the skin.
Here's an interesting quote -
You will noticed in the video, that the device seems to be somewhat slow - sometimes. Sony Ericsson promised that this will be fixed with the release device, especially because the 520 MHz Qualcomm CPU should be powerful enough and Sony Ericsson also told me they will take benefit from the graphics hardware acceleration as available for Qualcomm chips.
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Looks like the message has gotten through to at least one company

ok, it seems official so i retract that statement.
only problem now is that I have 18 months left on contract with my vario III
grrrr

andaroo said:
ok, it seems official so i retract that statement.
only problem now is that I have 18 months left on contract with my vario III
grrrr
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i'm in the same boat, but i wouldn't worry too much - if it's anything like the p990, release will be delayed.
it probably won't actually materialize until Q1 2009 at the earliest...
it does look pretty sweet though! definately on my next upgrade list!

wvga 858x484!!!
NICE!!!

This phone will probably be out in Asia before it hits the rest of the world.. any one wishing to grab one, I can pick up a few whenever it comes out and bring it over to the states.. for a small fee.

man that phone looks awesome.....jumped on my kaiser purchase?!

It's pretty obvious now what the specs of the Tytn III are going to be...

Now that we know the specs and looks of the new Raphael device, which is the successor of the Titan(mogul) line (which is the clone line of the Tytn line), we can already guess the specs of the Tytn III, to a high level of accuracy.
So, in essence, the Tytn III is going to differ from the Tytn II, in that it will have a VGA screen (still 2.8"), and will feature a slicker design where the front surface will be one plane (like the cruise), probably with pointy corners, smaller depth and lighter weight.
Hardware video acceleration is still an unknown.
That's basically it.
Is it enough for an upgrade ?

vga alone is enough for an update for me. Also HTC said they would never again not include video drivers for their future phones. if this is true I'd be more than happy to give them another go.

There's still too many unknowns at the moment, I don't think it's possible to judge just yet. The all important drivers will be a major, major issue for some - this device could be absolutely stunning in performance, or it could be just a small increase on the Kaiser (if at all), we just don't know.
I think, after what happened with the Tytn II, a lot of people will be waiting for real world comprehensive hands-on reports before they consider an upgrade. Too many people got their fingers burnt on what they assumed would be in the current model.

xcom923 said:
Also HTC said they would never again not include video drivers for their future phones.
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Did they, really?? All I remember is an offish, wooly statement to the effect that undisclosed future devices would probably be more video-centric, I don't remember any solemn promises about what all future phones might have. The way you word it makes it sound as if HTC were actually apologetic or admitted fault in some way, and that's certainly not the case!

We also can't rule out the possibility that if the Tytn III comes with a video driver, than it will be possible to port it to the Tytn II.
The Tytn II with hardware video acceleration will be a totally different device too...
The 2.8" screen is a *tiny* screen. I'm not sure how much VGA is going to add to the overall experience on such a tiny screen... but on the other hand, video acceleration is going to be a big thing.
I'm simply annoyed that I'm going to spend money on the Tytn III mainly to get a feature I should have gotten with the Tytn II - hardware video acceleration. This is just not fair.
If the Tytn III does not come with the driver, there is no way I'm upgrading though.

HTC is a bunch of douche bags. They have either forgotten or never understood how to deliver on cutomer needs. If the TyTNII adds video acceleration (which is still a big question mark) and VGA it will not imo be a worthy upgrade. I just paid $700 for this TyTNII! Honestly, I think ppl need to get out of the mindset that we need to let HTC nickel and dime us to death with little upgrades and big disappointments. I might have to wait a little while until 2009, but I want my next device to be based on the Nvidia APX 2500. Look into it, that chip is sick. Hopefully I will be able to say "bye bye" to HTC for good.

Noam23 said:
Now that we know the specs and looks of the new Raphael device, which is the successor of the Titan(mogul) line (which is the clone line of the Tytn line), we can already guess the specs of the Tytn III, to a high level of accuracy.
So, in essence, the Tytn III is going to differ from the Tytn II, in that it will have a VGA screen (still 2.8"), and will feature a slicker design where the front surface will be one plane (like the cruise), probably with pointy corners, smaller depth and lighter weight.
Hardware video acceleration is still an unknown.
That's basically it.
Is it enough for an upgrade ?
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I think the big question is, would anyone buy another htc device again... frig, I'm still waiting for the proper video drivers for the tytn 2!! and the problem with the video drivers is not going to be solved once they come out, the big problem facing htc is that we had to wait how friggin long to get them!!!
anyway, if apple comes out with a iphone with everything people want (the iphone 2, or 3 ... maybe 4), htc will end up making nothing but low end cell phones to just survive... keep an eye on htc's stock the next time a new iphone comes out.
So to answer your question, no I'd never upgrade to another htc unless they get their sh*t together. ...would be great if htc gave us fools that bought the tytn2 a trade in / upgrade!

any idea when it might be out?

It will probably get announced at the beginning of May, with the rest of the new HTC devices, and be released at September, same as the Tytn II and I.
So to answer your question, no I'd never upgrade to another htc unless they get their sh*t together. ...
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margatenj,
They will never release drivers for the Tytn II, it will not be economically wise for them to pay the fees retroactively, for a soon to be a discontinued model. Many people who never bought HTC before will love to buy the Tytn III with video acceleration drivers. It is going to be a huge hit for newcomers who don't know or don't care how HTC fu%@ed up their customers in the past.
And let's admit it, some of us current owners will happily upgrade to the Tytn III, even if the only difference will be the inclusion of hardware video drivers. It's not like you lose all the money on the current Tytn II, you ebay it, but there is still going to be some $400 difference...

my guess is that Tytn III will be almost identical to sonyericsson Xperia.

You have to understand that the Titan and Tytn lines are identical. The Tytn III will look identical to the Raphael.
I'm willing to bet money on this (if anyone wants to lose his money, that is).

Yak yak yak....
Com' on guys 'n dolls....cut out the whining about these friggin' drivers...
Like a phone is meant to watch movies (which in fact runs smoothly anyway) or play X-Box like games on...
HTC has never advertised the TyTN II with hardware video-acceleration...so get real...
The resolution thing would be nice though....Excel sheet really need more screen estate

VGA screen and no drivers..... o dear.... o no.... imagine the speed.. probably 4x slower than the kaiser.

Yak yak yak....
Com' on guys 'n dolls....cut out the whining about these friggin' drivers...
Like a phone is meant to watch movies (which in fact runs smoothly anyway) or play X-Box like games on...
HTC has never advertised the TyTN II with hardware video-acceleration...so get real...
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I don't want to wach movies on my Kaiser, nor do I want to play 3D games.
All I ask is that once I open the hardware keyboard, the screen will shift from portrait to landscape, *instantaniously*, at all times.
Without hardware video acceleration, this is impossible.

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I don't want to wach movies on my Kaiser, nor do I want to play 3D games.
All I ask is that once I open the hardware keyboard, the screen will shift from portrait to landscape, *instantaniously*, at all times.
Without hardware video acceleration, this is impossible.
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Sure you don't.... but my guess is that the other 90% of geeks over on this board DOES want all that....which isn't very realistic.
And IMHO it's neither realistic to expect an instant (as in 0,000 seconds) switch of orientation from an OS that has gotten almost as big as Windows98 over the years... I think a lag of about two seconds is at least acceptable and realistic for a device that was developed throughout 2006.
I do agree that every thinkable technical advance is very welcome. And in case of forthcoming VGA devices also very neccesary to keep that lag acceptable...
As for the geeks; get an iPhone...a PSP...or whatever...
And since your location nor device is disclosed from your profile....i must just assume your using a crap ROM...maybe get another?

And since your location nor device is disclosed from your profile....i must just assume your using a crap ROM...maybe get another?
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I'm using NoThrill's 6.1 ROM for my Kaiser. One of the fastest ROMs available.
Yes, sometimes the lag is 1 second or less, and at other times it's more.
This frigging lag causes me many times to skip opening the keyboard altogether if the message isn't long, and just type with the stylus.
Hardware video acceleration provides a totally different experience than software acceleration. Try to use your desktop computer with software video acceleration and tell me how you like it, even for the most basic things like rendering 2D images of the interface.

Noam23 said:
This frigging lag causes me many times to skip opening the keyboard altogether if the message isn't long, and just type with the stylus.
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Then i guess everybody has quite a different treshold of what to define as an anoying lag.... Personally, i never ever use the onscreen keyboard, i always use the hardware keyboard and keys, and to me the rotation of about 1,5 secs is perfectly acceptable
To me the TyTN II has all i could need for the foreseeable future, and new devices with VGA are nice (aspecially for browsing and office apps), but in no way worth an upgrade. Just plugged in an 8Gb card today , and i'll get WM 6.1 as soon as the official one is there, and then i'll keep running this until 2010 or till it dies...

Moaske said:
Yak yak yak....
Com' on guys 'n dolls....cut out the whining about these friggin' drivers...
Like a phone is meant to watch movies (which in fact runs smoothly anyway) or play X-Box like games on...
HTC has never advertised the TyTN II with hardware video-acceleration...so get real...
The resolution thing would be nice though....Excel sheet really need more screen estate
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...Im pretty cool with the II Even watching TV through Slinbox is ok enough for me. It'd be nice if the III went onna diet and slimmed down some and had some more onboard memory but how much more is that gonna cost me?? Still it's one powerfull little device..IMHO

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...Still it's one powerfull little device..IMHO
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Amen! brother...

Need some help with a decision.

Hi guys I'm new here and I mostly just read what you all have to say about the Kaiser and how to improve it. But I was wondering if you guys could help me make a decision. I'm finally going to take the leap and get a TyTN II. I have AT&T and I've played around with my friends Tilt before he fragged it on the Sacramento River and I like it but I much prefer the TyTN II.
So you may be asking what's the problem. Well I've been looking at the soon to be released Touch Pro and have been really considering holding off a bit longer to get that one instead of the TyTN. I've found that while testing the TIlt that I rarely used the tilt feature and the news that the Touch Pro (along with the Diamond) will have a desk top docking station, I no longer see the tilt feature an advantage.
So what do you guys think? Should I hold off on the TyTN and get the Touch Pro? Or just go ahead with the TyTN and see how the Pro turns out?

Hi
I like the Tytn II very much but I have ordered a touch pro. The tilt feature is not so important for me compared to the higher performance, memory and resolution of the touch pro.
And, the Tytn II is sooo 2007 !!
Ciao, D

Cheesy Dave said:
Hi
I like the Tytn II very much but I have ordered a touch pro. The tilt feature is not so important for me compared to the higher performance, memory and resolution of the touch pro.
And, the Tytn II is sooo 2007 !!
Ciao, D
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So when do you get yours? I was thinking about getting one from On The Go Solutions and they have it listed as available in August. I'm really leaning towards the Touch Pro the more I look into it.

And in 2009 Windows Mobile 7 should be coming out, so maybe I should wait until then. Wait in 2010 the 32GB SDHC cards should be coming out, so maybe I should wait to buy a phone that is compatible with those.
But then again , in 2011 the cpu clock speed should be up to 1 GHz, maybe I will wait.
See where I'm going with this ?

denco7 said:
And in 2009 Windows Mobile 7 should be coming out, so maybe I should wait until then. Wait in 2010 the 32GB SDHC cards should be coming out, so maybe I should wait to buy a phone that is compatible with those.
But then again , in 2011 the cpu clock speed should be up to 1 GHz, maybe I will wait.
See where I'm going with this ?
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Yeah I do. I'm not going to wait to long, I was just curious as to what you guys thought. You are more in the know about these things than I so I wanted to make sure I was getting what I really want.

I'll make it easy for you..I'll sell you my 1.5 yr old, problem free TyTn II and I'll buy the Touch Pro ...which I am planning on doing anyway!
The tilt screen is nice but as mentioned it is worth the sacrifice. Besides I betcha some braniac is gonna come out with a Touch Pro "screen tilt mod" sooner or later and waah-lah !

"Tilt 2" Discussion

I haven't seen a thread on this yet as the news was just released so I need to figure this out.
Here: http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/07/01/att-roadmap-leaks-out/
and here: http://www.geardiary.com/2008/07/01/att-roadmap-for-2008-blackjack-3-wi-fi-blackberry-curve/
From the article:
AT&T Tilt 2 due Q4 - Specs below:
Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional Edition
Tri-band HSDPA (3.6); Quad-band EDGE
Qualcomm 528 MHz processor
256MB ROM/ 128MB RAM
3.0 MP camera
WiFi; Bluetooth 2.0
PTT; AGPS
VSC (at launch)
Also good news from the article:
AT&T Tilt 6.1 upgrade due in July
So my question that I'm trying to get figured out is whether or not this "Tilt 2" is the Touch Pro/Raphel? Tilt 2 would indicate that the screen can tilt (common sense draws that conclusion anyway) like the current Kaiser can. All evidence of the Touch Pro indicates that it does not tilt. This "Tilt 2" also lists a 3.0mp camera while Touch Pro is a 3.2. Also, this article lists 256 ROM / 128 RAM and all evidence I've read on the Touch Pro/Raphel has said it will have 512 ROM / 228 RAM. I am going to be pissed if the GSM version of this phone only has 128 RAM. Thats what our phones have now! Plus it's going to have to run touchflo3d!? Give me a break.
Please give me some insight into what you guys think.
Touch Pro specs: http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-Touch-Pro-phone-p_2879.html
UPDATES:
7/23/08
Touch Pro confirmed for ATT?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410945

idk but it would sure be nice if we could break out phones and get it replaced with the Tilt II. or atleast get some sort of cheap discount on it by already owning the Tilt.

godfa7h3r said:
Also good news from the article:
AT&T Tilt 6.1 upgrade due in July
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hmmm, i bet there is a leaked version of it available now. Lets see if we can find it.

Raphel coming to Att i think i just wet myself
This is going to be a great summer after all.

redbandana said:
Raphel coming to Att i think i just wet myself
This is going to be a great summer after all.
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Check the specs they don't match up

I'll repeat and stick with what I mentioned on the ATT forums:
...and then again they said the upgrade for the 8525 was anticipated to be the same time leaked info was brought out and to our suprise, it wasn't even close. Who knows about the upgrade for to WM6.1, but i'm really looking forward as to seeing which device ATT picks up: the SE X1 or the Raphael. I'd personally like to see the X1 with it's slicky design and nice SE features. The Raphael looks great but i'm hearing a lot of problems with the TouchFlo3d on the Diamond (the Raphael will only be better than the Diamond in a few aspects like the keyboard). When i saw videos of the X1 on Youtube, their technology looks crisp and amazing, but then again we could see otherwise.

kareem9nba said:
I'll repeat and stick with what I mentioned on the ATT forums:
...and then again they said the upgrade for the 8525 was anticipated to be the same time leaked info was brought out and to our suprise, it wasn't even close. Who knows about the upgrade for to WM6.1, but i'm really looking forward as to seeing which device ATT picks up: the SE X1 or the Raphael. I'd personally like to see the X1 with it's slicky design and nice SE features. The Raphael looks great but i'm hearing a lot of problems with the TouchFlo3d on the Diamond (the Raphael will only be better than the Diamond in a few aspects like the keyboard). When i saw videos of the X1 on Youtube, their technology looks crisp and amazing, but then again we could see otherwise.
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HTC developed the X1 for Sony, just saying...

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HTC developed the X1 for Sony, just saying...
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Yea i'm aware of that. The X1 still has some nice advantages over the Raphael such as the 3 inch screen.

HTC build the X1 for Sony Ericsson (not Sony) - they didn't design it or write the software. Just saying.
Aside from that, it's pretty obvious that "Tilt 2" is the Touch Pro. "Tilt 2" is the natural working title for the product which is, internally, the direct replacement of the Tilt. It won't be called that when it hits the shelves, for the simple reason that try as they might, AT&T won't be able to make Raphael tilt. They'll just have to come up with another catchy consumer name for it (like, erm, "Touch Pro").

im not gonna ever consider buying the phone until someone tests quake 3 on it. then test for a touch screen bug, then test some emulators, and finally test the video performance.

You and those games lol

Based on those specs, I can't see a Tilt2 being a Touch Pro. If those specs are correct, a Tilt2 wouldn't hardly be worth the upgrade. Only a faster processor? Damn... my battery doesn't last that long as it is. I can only imagine what kind of battery life (or lack there of) a Tilt2 would have.

GWelker62 said:
Based on those specs, I can't see a Tilt2 being a Touch Pro. If those specs are correct, a Tilt2 wouldn't hardly be worth the upgrade. Only a faster processor? Damn... my battery doesn't last that long as it is. I can only imagine what kind of battery life (or lack there of) a Tilt2 would have.
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HERE HERE, WELL SAID

Watch it be the same phone with an upgraded cpu and the front camera and still no driver.

Boinng said:
HTC build the X1 for Sony Ericsson (not Sony) - they didn't design it or write the software. Just saying.
Aside from that, it's pretty obvious that "Tilt 2" is the Touch Pro. "Tilt 2" is the natural working title for the product which is, internally, the direct replacement of the Tilt. It won't be called that when it hits the shelves, for the simple reason that try as they might, AT&T won't be able to make Raphael tilt. They'll just have to come up with another catchy consumer name for it (like, erm, "Touch Pro").
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What makes it so obvious? As stated before, based on these hardware sheets the only improvement is a faster processor. If you compare the Kaiser to a Touch Pro (not this "Tilt 2") there are much more improvements than simply a faster processor. The Touch Pro doubles the RAM and ROM, it has a 3.2MP camera rather than a 3, and I know this one is not listed but it also has a VGA screen. If I was writing up the specs for the "Tilt 2" you better believe I would have included the fact that it has a freaking VGA screen rather than QVGA.

Right
So we're saying that HTC have developed a barely upgraded version of the Tilt especially for AT&T, that's really sucky and a year behind the competition, while the rest of the world and every other network gets the Touch Pro?
Yep, that's more believable than a couple of misprints in an internal document.

Regardless...
I know for a fact that the Sony Xperia is coming to AT&T
That's the device to have. Same RAM/ROM as the Touch Pro. More storage on the device in fact.
Better screen. Could care less about the touchflo 3D and a 10 hours of talk time. Count me in.
What you fail to realize is that with the smaller nanometer chips the battery's are able to last longer then the current devices that we have. Yes it's a faster chip and it's also has far less power consumption as the 7200 chipset.

AllTheWay said:
Regardless...
I know for a fact that the Sony Xperia is coming to AT&T
That's the device to have. Same RAM/ROM as the Touch Pro. More storage on the device in fact.
Better screen. Could care less about the touchflo 3D and a 10 hours of talk time. Count me in.
What you fail to realize is that with the smaller nanometer chips the battery's are able to last longer then the current devices that we have. Yes it's a faster chip and it's also has far less power consumption as the 7200 chipset.
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Is this based on what you think or some inside connections 8)?

kareem9nba said:
Is this based on what you think or some inside connections 8)?
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Just based on common knowledge. 65nm tech consumes less power. The X1 whitepaper says it will last 10 hours on GSM and 6.5 hours on UMTS (talk time).

AllTheWay said:
Regardless...
I know for a fact that the Sony Xperia is coming to AT&T
That's the device to have. Same RAM/ROM as the Touch Pro. More storage on the device in fact.
Better screen. Could care less about the touchflo 3D and a 10 hours of talk time. Count me in.
What you fail to realize is that with the smaller nanometer chips the battery's are able to last longer then the current devices that we have. Yes it's a faster chip and it's also has far less power consumption as the 7200 chipset.
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Dont tell anyone about the X-1 comming to AT&T my tech department at AT&T is supposed to keep that a secret, your going to get all of us in trouble

Touch Pro 2 or Toshiba TG01???

Ive just found out i can cancel my contract due to a contractual change. Im going to get one of the above but id like to know which is the better phone? Opinions, facts, i dont mind.

Get the TP2. TG01 only supports UMTS2100.
real difference is QWERY vs non - QWERTY

How does UMTS2100 make a difference? I really dont understand all of that!

Go for TP2 it has a keyboard

The keyboard is whats swaying my decision, but the fact the TG01 is more powerful. I do love my HTC's though!

liam08 said:
The keyboard is whats swaying my decision, but the fact the TG01 is more powerful. I do love my HTC's though!
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from what i've seen it isnt even silky smooth so i dunno...

comeradealexi said:
from what i've seen it isnt even silky smooth so i dunno...
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I have seen the video's but apparently the processor can be adjusted for battery saving. I think i will get the TP2

The Toshiba is laughable. They better stick to making batteries....
Get the TP2 and be amazed. I would get a Xperia, but that's just me.

orelsi said:
The Toshiba is laughable. They better stick to making batteries....
Get the TP2 and be amazed. I would get a Xperia, but that's just me.
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I have an Xperia!

still the 1ghz processor would make lots of things faster

when the x1 came out, it there were performance issues with it. so im sure that toshiba would release some update to help with the problems of the tg01. So im not counting that phone out yet ... although im a hardcore fan of the tactile keyboard ... the 1ghz processor is very attractive to me.

liam08 said:
I have an Xperia!
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w00t!!!!!!! Well then, TP2 it is .
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still the 1ghz processor would make lots of things faster
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I will never get a phone without a keyboard again. Plus, that UI seems so annoying....

why not get a simplicity contract (30 day rolling contract) and wait for a better handset to come out (eg. x2, new htc, palm pre etc).
then all u do is cancel your contract (giving 30 days notice) then get a new contract (same number if u want) and a new top end phone.
Im not saying the htc tp2 is not good (lot better than the toshiba) but i dont think its any better than the x1 u already have.

I've read (and seen on videos) the TG01 get really laggy, despite its impressive processor. Is that true?

liam08 said:
Ive just found out i can cancel my contract due to a contractual change. Im going to get one of the above but id like to know which is the better phone? Opinions, facts, i dont mind.
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What is the contractual change you speak of?

Ganondolf said:
why not get a simplicity contract (30 day rolling contract) and wait for a better handset to come out (eg. x2, new htc, palm pre etc).
then all u do is cancel your contract (giving 30 days notice) then get a new contract (same number if u want) and a new top end phone.
Im not saying the htc tp2 is not good (lot better than the toshiba) but i dont think its any better than the x1 u already have.
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+1. You are sooooo damn right. I won't change my x1 for next few months for one simple reason - there is no device on the market which is noticeably better (1ghz cpu is not that necessary for me right now). .... the other thing is, that x1 looks so damn good... man... f* tp2. I would wait, and the other thing is that I am very curious about Rachael. I am lucky to have an upgrade option pretty soon.

Toshiba's only WM phone is terrible. Why ask this in an Xperia forum that prioritizes on business qwerty slider phone?