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I am looking for users with problems using the MS Voice Command on the T-Mobile Wing/Herald and their fixes or commments.
I have been using WM devices and MS Voice Command for many years. I have had a variety of devices all using voice command; but none have been worse at recognition and speed as my Wing has. How does everyone else with a wing feel about MS Voice Commands performance.
Problems I experience:
Slow response to initialization (1-2 seconds usually)
Slow finding a contact and confirming (2-4 seconds)
Most times with some background noise just gives up and makes that aweful beep.
Always asks to Please try again
Will not understand through bluetooth headset at all.
Commonly mistakes simple names for others i.e. (John Patrick)
Now the voice command can work pretty accuratly in a queit room other than the responsiveness, but I have had it installed on numerous devices and know how it should opperate and the tolerance to noise. I have overclocked my CPU to 273 and doesnt seem to help. I have tried increasing the page pool to 4mb which I have 23mbs for memory and still no luck. Ive even tried the combination of the two but doesnt seem to help. No other progams have been installed for test purposes to see if there is any conflicts and I have about 73 contacts, and sync very little content.
My previous device was a Wizard which respectively is very simular. It did work good with voice command 1.6 both on WM5 & WM6. I have had it installed on a Audiovox PPC4400 (WM2003), Treo 700wx, Blue Angel (WM5), and a Hermes (WM6); all the later devices worked best with no noticable delay or comprehension issues. The Herald will work with the same bluetooth equipment almost flawlessly, the wing will initiate the command but always fail to understand or will pull up something else.
I would like to know if I'm and isolated instance or if everyone has this problem.
Thanks
Jcostanza4
Works fine for me! However, I do speak in a Robotic tone.
Naw, I cant get that thing to do what I tell it.
YES!!!! MS Voice Command on the Wing is almost unusable for me. On my Wizard it was amazing -- fast and accurate. On the Wing frustrating, maddening and worthless.
I have experimented with standard versus overclocking, mic gain settings... everything I can think of. It seems to be a little bit better if I have Bluetooth turned off -- but just a little bit.
I have been reading these forums since the Wing was released and have been surprised that others have not commented on the problems with MS Voice Command on the Wing.
I sure wish there was an answer. Does anyone know what the problem is?
I agree with you, I dont know why more people haven't brought it up.
This is one of the biggest downfalls of the Wing for me. I love everything else even speed when overclocked and the page pool make it quite fast. But I just disable voice command completly because it is so unrelaible. I think it would more likely be along the lines of a hardware compatibility issue that the software would have to overcome or a fix in the OS; but I really dont know.
I wonder if the Herald guys get this problem or if its just an issue with the Wing OS.
Time will tell.
Jcostanza4-
It seems like it's just the crappy microphone on the bottom. It picks up EVERY noise around you and that confuses the voice command. I've noticed that if I use the wired headset that came with my wing it's almost always accurate.
Take a voice note in a semi-noisy environment and you'll see what I'm talking about. It definitely is not a noise canceling microphone.
Well... I can confirm that the audio quality of a voice note is clearly superior on my Wizard than on the Wing... considering that other people do not seem to be up-in-arms about MS Voice Command, I am coming to the conclusion that the microphone on the Wing is at fault.
Has anyone had problems reported with phone calls
Ive asked people if I sound faint or hard to hear and they say it sounds fine/normal. Also bluetooth mics also seem to have the same problems with comprehension when other Window Mobile devices with the same hardware work like they should. Ive tested the Hermes with WM6 on the same bluetooth car kit with MS VoiceCommand over bluetooth and no problems; I know certain bluetooth with VC works and some dont, the Wing seems to operate just like the hermes as far as initiation. This would bypass the poor mic theory on the Wing right?
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Ive asked people if I sound faint or hard to hear and they say it sounds fine/normal. Also bluetooth mics also seem to have the same problems with comprehension when other Window Mobile devices with the same hardware work like they should. Ive tested the Hermes with WM6 on the same bluetooth car kit with MS VoiceCommand over bluetooth and no problems; I know certain bluetooth with VC works and some dont, the Wing seems to operate just like the hermes as far as initiation. This would bypass the poor mic theory on the Wing right?
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I haven't used a bluetooth headset before on my wing but my wired headset works flawlessly almost every time. It could be that the bluetooth connection wasn't as strong or something (biased towards the wing not working when testing?). I still believe it's the microphone but I could be wrong
I havent really had too much problem with it, I'm using the PDAVIET rom and had to reinstall voice command once i had the rom, and it seems to work fine. Have you tweaked the mic gain?
Tweaking th mic gain.
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I havent really had too much problem with it, I'm using the PDAVIET rom and had to reinstall voice command once i had the rom, and it seems to work fine. Have you tweaked the mic gain?
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Is your device a wing or a herald?
Im still using the stock T-Mobile Rom on the wing and Ive enable and disable the mic gain; shows no improvement that I can tell. Now the Wing comes pre installed with Voice Command and does not have a remove from the Uninstall Program options. I did once try to install 1.6 over it to see if i could get back the remove option and when I clicked reset to finish after installing it hard reset on me.
On your PDAVIET rom, does the vioce command launch instantly, respond quickly, and understand you to some degree or is there some trouble in any of these areas?
Thanks for the info
jcostanza4
me, too - very disappointing indeed
Yes, I just got the Wing a couple of days ago after giving my wonderful Imate Jam one too many love taps (the touchscreen has stopped accepting any input)...and I'm experiencing exactly the symptoms you listed with VoiceCommand. It actually does seem to do a little better through the BT headset, so the "poor mike" theory might be on the right track. But without the BT, it can't understand a damn thing--even in perfectly quiet environments--and takes forever.
I've been using the Jam with VC for over two years, and it is fast and damn-near flawless. Indeed, I've been a huge VC zealot; 'never been able to understand why WM-device reviewers don't even mention it but instead say things like "it's too hard to dial calls one-handed when driving." And for years already, while the best that other devices could offer was "voice tags" that users had to manually create, VC has, as you know, seamlessly worked with all my ~500 Outlook contacts. As far as I'm concerned, VC is the killer app that provides a huge part of the value of WM devices. If you ask me for the phone number of any of my friends, family or business clients, I couldn't tell you, 'cuz I haven't dialed them in years.
Now comes the Wing to set progress back five years or so. I have 12 days to make a decision about returning it.
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Yes, I just got the Wing a couple of days ago after giving my wonderful Imate Jam one too many love taps (the touchscreen has stopped accepting any input)...and I'm experiencing exactly the symptoms you listed with VoiceCommand. It actually does seem to do a little better through the BT headset, so the "poor mike" theory might be on the right track. But without the BT, it can't understand a damn thing--even in perfectly quiet environments--and takes forever.
I've been using the Jam with VC for over two years, and it is fast and damn-near flawless. Indeed, I've been a huge VC zealot; 'never been able to understand why WM-device reviewers don't even mention it but instead say things like "it's too hard to dial calls one-handed when driving." And for years already, while the best that other devices could offer was "voice tags" that users had to manually create, VC has, as you know, seamlessly worked with all my ~500 Outlook contacts. As far as I'm concerned, VC is the killer app that provides a huge part of the value of WM devices. If you ask me for the phone number of any of my friends, family or business clients, I couldn't tell you, 'cuz I haven't dialed them in years.
Now comes the Wing to set progress back five years or so. I have 12 days to make a decision about returning it.
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I made all of my contacts store with first name, last name format and the recognition appeared to get a lot better. You shouldn't have to do that but it seemed to help so you could try it. I am temporarily trying the wing overclocked to 273mhz with a boost up to 286mhz and in a quiet environment I haven't had a problem with the voice recognition finding my contacts. I still have trouble with the "play" command and it's VERY difficult for it to understand my "yes" for some reason but contact recognition is good and speedy.
The yes response or correct doesnt pick up well for me either
I did notice this too, but I always forget that thats one of my biggest problems with dailing by name or number. Let's say its a bad mic, even with a headset wired/wireless does it seem to lag in speedy ness or accuracy?
I did mess with page pool on the Wing, I ran 4mb for about 2 months then moved to a 6mb and the device is overall faster than the 4mb or 12mb. The 6mb page pool defenitly responds quick when it can understand you; but 70% of the time it can understand and gives that very long pause before saying "please repeat". It does seam like voice command when enabled eats about 5mb or ram. I have 22.5mb on a soft reset and after using voice comand once it drops to 13mb and then goes to 17mb after about 3 minutes of no use.
I have not read anything from the Hermes users to show that they are having these issues. Could it be an OS problem that translates the mic to the program?
Jcostanza-
kraftey--Thanks for the suggestion, which makes sense, I guess...but I'm not willing to organized my contacts by first name, period. Call me a neo-traditionalist.
As I've posted in the overclocking thread, I can't get my Wing above 228 without the screen flickering.... Ideas?
jcostanza4--Thanks, too. Honestly, in a *perfectly* quiet environment, recognition is not bad, and using either BT headset or not, time from command to response is 5-7 seconds. That doesn't sound like much, but in actual use at work it's an eternity--and made much worse by all of the "Please Repeat"s, additional delays and/or failures.
I've got the pagepool set to 6MB, and I've mucked about with performance-related registry tweaks, but the 5-7 seconds and poor recognition in real-world environments is the best I've been able to get out of VC so far.
Im overclocking the Wing with Battery Status Ver. 1.04.203
I have the device set on dynamic mode so its 201Mhz on minimal load and 273Mhz on Max Load. Battery can last quite a while like this and I havent had screen issues. I hope this helps. I had issues with some other overclocking apps, and eventually tried this one and it worked. No complaints and Ive been using it for about 4 months.
Yes. The darn thing is frustrating. This was supposed to be top of the line. I paid around $250 for the PDA and I paid $100 for a top of the line bluetooth, and the voice mail keeps trying to call my Brother Jeff, regardless of what I say. I paid $140 for a Jawbone, and got the same poor performance. Just how much do I have to pay to get something that works.
Yes, jc, that helps. I had already moved to BS, but now I'll update it with the 1.04 beta. For starters, what OmapClock was calling "228", BS calls "247." With the "released" version of BS, I still get the screen flicker above "247." We'll see if it's any different after I install the beta. Thx.
I solved my Voice Command Problems!
I originally posted all the issues I was having with Voice Command 1.6 on my T-mobile Wing. I now have a working Voice Command to my standards, it works as it has on all my other devices; a little slow at times but not more than a second lag. Recognition is accurate and mic also seems to work better.
Here is the steps I used. (this was completely accidental, as I was trying to get TouchFlo working on the Wing)
I reflashed the T-Mobile Wing RUU found in the Herald wiki section or this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=321717
Then Flashed the Original T-Mobile Rom with Touch Flow found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=329456
Then I Ran the Automatic 6mb page pool found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324955
Then I installed Battery Status and overclocked my Wing to 273mhz.
I dont know if the RUU that was released was an update to the original rom, but my mic seems to work great now and recognize with about a 90% accuracy rate.
Please try this at your own risk, This may work for me and may not work for you. By all means I am no programer nor can I assist in a sticky situation.
I suggest reading each of the other threads I have listed before attempting. I will not be responsible if you brick your device. There is alot of information in each thread that is not posted on the first Topic like using ASerg Policies or how the page pool works or common problems.
Thanks-
Jcostanza4
Start > Settings > System > Microphone AGC
I don't use voice dial because I had all the same probs as the original poster. May want to give this a try before all of the steps mentioned in the post before me
for me it is working fine most of the time but not as good as it did with my wizard it is not slow and recognizes commands most of the time, I am using the pdaviet rom build 12 I changed the page pool to 4mb and clocked to 260 with bs , my problem though is that I can't get voice command to work by pressing the bluetooth headset button wich works fine on the wizard.
First off I'm using "Dutty's WM6.1 Hybrid UC" 3/29/08 ROM release and I have the device connected to AT&T. I've been using it for a few days and am seeing few annoying occurrences which I'm sure can be fixed, but I'm unsure how to do it.
Here is my current list of issues that I'm seeing:
1. While making a call the screen blanks out, which is fine, but how to I get it to re-enable to say dial a key (when prompted), I seem very good at hanging up when I attempt to do this.
2. FTouchFlo, even when I using the config program and uncheck the "Auto start" box and reset, it still starts up. Is this a bug?
3. Voice Command, I know its installed and I can see it in settings, but what I want to use it for is simple voice dialing, and contact lookup, without having to connect a headset.
4. Playing games, I've noticed that many games either lockup or are unresponsive to the stylist, is this a WM6.1 issue or something else?
Thanks,
ERIC
egandt said:
First off I'm using "Dutty's WM6.1 Hybrid UC" 3/29/08 ROM release and I have the device connected to AT&T. I've been using it for a few days and am seeing few annoying occurrences which I'm sure can be fixed, but I'm unsure how to do it.
Here is my current list of issues that I'm seeing:
1. While making a call the screen blanks out, which is fine, but how to I get it to re-enable to say dial a key (when prompted), I seem very good at hanging up when I attempt to do this.
2. FTouchFlo, even when I using the config program and uncheck the "Auto start" box and reset, it still starts up. Is this a bug?
3. Voice Command, I know its installed and I can see it in settings, but what I want to use it for is simple voice dialing, and contact lookup, without having to connect a headset.
4. Playing games, I've noticed that many games either lockup or are unresponsive to the stylist, is this a WM6.1 issue or something else?
Thanks,
ERIC
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Eric, how else do you turn the screen on when it blacks out?
did you go into touchflo and uncheck enable?
I speak right into my phone
which games?. I have several that run great.
kaisertweak or schaps adv config works for preventing sleep mode
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I'm happy somebody made this thread good work.
Fantastic Article Bengalih!
One added request. It would be great to include, perhaps in a text attachment, ms voice command's list of progam files and registry entries.
Seperate by the two primary versions for 1.6.
The information would invaluable for cooks to go back into a clean rom and clean out left over files and registry entries or allow them to strip the full version out if they wish to upgrade it or leave it out entirely.
Left over files/reg entries may as you know cause issues when adding or upgrading the ms voice.
Tayton said:
Fantastic Article Bengalih!
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List of File and Registry Entries for Voice Command
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Cancel VC announcement while In progress?
Bengalih, Great write up!
Is there a way that you know of to cancel VC's announcement mid stream? That is to say, there are times when VC will start to announce an email, or read SMS while I am on a call and I would like a way to shut it up quickly. It is terrible when you are on the phone with client A and your phone starts to announce a call from client B, or even worse sitting quietly on a conference call and it starts reading an SMS... Some how this always bleeds through my BT headset so the person I am on the phone with hears it.
Thanks!
crussell
crussell said:
Bengalih, Great write up!
Is there a way that you know of to cancel VC's announcement mid stream? That is to say, there are times when VC will start to announce an email, or read SMS while I am on a call and I would like a way to shut it up quickly. It is terrible when you are on the phone with client A and your phone starts to announce a call from client B, or even worse sitting quietly on a conference call and it starts reading an SMS... Some how this always bleeds through my BT headset so the person I am on the phone with hears it.
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crussell. Thanks for the vote of support. Unfortunately the issue you describe plagues me as well. I don't think there is anything wrong with the software and by this I mean it isn't a bug, just something the developers didn't think through very well.
There are only two ways to stop the incoming announcements:
Turn them off
Check the box in Notifications that says "Only during free time"
What this box means is that if you have an appointment in your calendar that sets your free/busy disposition to "busy" then announcements will not come through.
However, if you get an incoming call you will still get the call waiting beeps which can be just as distracting (if anyone knows how to turn these off please let me know...they are unrelated to MSVC).
So, if you know you are going to be on an important call you can first go into your calendar and make an appointment and set your time to busy.
The only solution I can see, short of a new version which takes these things into account is if someone can figure out how to fool the system into thinking your time is "busy". I don't know if MSVC looks for a registry flag or if there is a free/busy connector (API) that it taps into. If someone could make a little app that would toggle free/busy time that would be fantastic. Unfortunately I cannot code for WM to this degree.
AHA!
I take back what I said...at least the part of me not knowing how to fix it
There does indeed appear to be a registry location that records your current free/busy status.
I have written another script tool which will perform a toggle of your free/busy status effectively turning off any incoming announcements when toggled off.
Check it out here
ROM: 1.62.502.0 (ATT Tilt Shipped ROM)
MSVC Version: 1.6.17913
Bluetooth Headset: Motorola 89199N
Description:
Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this, but I've stopped using MSVC on my Tilt via Bluetooth because 3 of 3 times I've messed with this (getting battery status, call person, etc type commands) I've found later that the phone won't dial out or receive calls anymore! First two times it happened I was a bit puzzled, but the third time it clicked that it only happened sometime after initiating a call or such via MSVC with Bluetooth.
Anyone else noticed this? I find it odd that it'd freeze up the phone portion of the Tilt, but it does 100% of the time for me. IIRC, hitting the Green button shows the Phone titlebar and menus but the screen itself never draws. I can hit the OK button to get back to the Today screen, and the Phone app is listed in the list of applications running I believe, but it won't die and won't work until I do a reset.
I installed MSVC from a CAB here on this forum, and it generally works but this problem with bluetooth is pretty annoying as the main reason I wanted to get the program is to do bluetooth commands for dialing.
The more I think about it, it's possible that using the bluetooth commands then doing "run command suspend" (I think that's the syntax, it's been a few weeks since I tried it last) to turn off the Tilt immediately might also cause it problems. I was doing that because otherwise it stays on for quite a while, when it seems to me it should turn itself off fairly quickly.
I'll try your new version and edit-back
I have never experienced this issue with MSVC. I have tried it out successfully on at least half a dozen ROMS.
Although I am not intimately familiar with the inner working of code in either MSVC or WM in general, I don't know really know how this could interfere.
Other reported issues with MSVC involve:
Audio gateway being left open
Radio going dead
I'm also not sure how MSVC could interfere with the radio....
My first thought is Don't Blame MSVC!
I say this since I (and many other's) haven't had problems with it...it obviously is a program that CAN function properly.
If you are using a cooked ROM that has MSVC built-in or you are installing it from scratch, read through this whole guide and make sure you understand and update/tweak your copy.
I would recommend installing the latest version I have posted 1.6.19290 as I have already had reports of this clearing up some people's issue.
When posting problems regarding MSVC in the future, please refer to the main thread posts, where I will detail the information you should provide.
Let me know what you come up with!
I've got an issue I can't find an answer to. I have MSVC installed on my Tilt and it worked fine up until about a week ago. Since then I can initiate MSVC via my bluetooth headset but get no audio for the prompts (i.e. the ding to tell me it's ready for input, the audio confirmation for who to call).
Also, notifications stopped working via bluetooth. I've checked all the settings and everything is fine, they're exactly as they were when VC was working properly. I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling and deleting and repairing my headset. Nothing seems to work.
Any input on this would be greatly appreciated.
This is on a brand new kaiser, I have tried a hard reset and and have looked in Google advanced search with no results so far on this topic. I have reloaded the program and the results are the same: When the device is in sleep mode it announces the first few words in the message then goes quiet. When I bring the device out of sleep mode it finishes the announcement. I have used this on all my other WM6 devices with never a problem. Do you think it is the MSVC program that Im loading from my PC or do you think it could be the ROM in the new Kaiser I have???
Thanks for any help
Are their any other decent programs out that would announce incoming messages or is MSVC it.. Please don't flame me about checking Advanced search because I have and I'm getting pretty flustered wading through all the irrelevant info. I would like to hear something from someone who is willing to share their input.
Firstly, a big thank you to all contributors here, for the first time I thought I would contact HTC re problems with the diamond and believe me, I won't ever bother again with HTC support.
Over the years I've had many HTC devices and like many people here, have a strong understanding on subjects like push email. I just can't believe how difficult it is to talk to anyone from support areas regarding issues. I just thought HTC technical dept may be different, but sadly they are not.
The issues I have are (they have been discussed before but the threads have died with no solution)
1) Bluetooth headset, when disconnecting causes the Diamond to loose abilty to make any sound, be it ringing, alarm or music. This is random and only a soft reset cures the problem.
HTC response, Only HTC branded bluetooth devices are supported, tough!
2) Push E-mail, randomly forgets to check back with the server to see if their is a conenction and if not re-establish one. Logs show the device goes into sleep mode and is woke say 8 mins later (does change due to heartbeat interval changing) to ping server. however, its not waking. So I had a situation when the last server communication was 6am, and by the time I noticed I wasn't getting any mail 6 hours had past! Activesync on the device still show connected!!!
HTC response, clearly its your connection settings with your email. Hard reset and try again. Cant be our software.
Any ideas guys, I'm loosing the plot here. The handset is so much smaller and lighter than my kaiser, but I never had these issues.
P.S. I would never have bought another HTC device again if it wasn't for XDA. This forum has helped me so much over the years and also tought me the joys of WinMob!! HTC should be paying you guys!!
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Anyone else suffering from these problems? Push email is particularly frustrating.
I have this problem too. The answer from HTC is wrong because bluetooth is an universal standard and , is no reason to say to use only HTC bluetooth devices. Bluetooth should mean compatibility with all bluetooth devices . Another stupid answer from HTC.... Anybody to help us ...?
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Firstly, a big thank you to all contributors here, for the first time I thought I would contact HTC re problems with the diamond and believe me, I won't ever bother again with HTC support.
Over the years I've had many HTC devices and like many people here, have a strong understanding on subjects like push email. I just can't believe how difficult it is to talk to anyone from support areas regarding issues. I just thought HTC technical dept may be different, but sadly they are not.
The issues I have are (they have been discussed before but the threads have died with no solution)
1) Bluetooth headset, when disconnecting causes the Diamond to loose abilty to make any sound, be it ringing, alarm or music. This is random and only a soft reset cures the problem.
HTC response, Only HTC branded bluetooth devices are supported, tough!
2) Push E-mail, randomly forgets to check back with the server to see if their is a conenction and if not re-establish one. Logs show the device goes into sleep mode and is woke say 8 mins later (does change due to heartbeat interval changing) to ping server. however, its not waking. So I had a situation when the last server communication was 6am, and by the time I noticed I wasn't getting any mail 6 hours had past! Activesync on the device still show connected!!!
HTC response, clearly its your connection settings with your email. Hard reset and try again. Cant be our software.
Any ideas guys, I'm loosing the plot here. The handset is so much smaller and lighter than my kaiser, but I never had these issues.
P.S. I would never have bought another HTC device again if it wasn't for XDA. This forum has helped me so much over the years and also tought me the joys of WinMob!! HTC should be paying you guys!!
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I currently don't use BT headset anymore. However, before using Diamond, I use the HTC Touch Elf with A2DPTOGGLE http://www.teksoftco.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1626
It can switch between BT headset or speaker. I tried beforeWM will not automatically switch between them. I know there is problem using the same A2DPTOGGLE in Diamond, because it is a Today plug-in and Diamind hide the Today from TouchFLO 3D. You may try to use "Second Today" together with the A2DPTOGGLE to fix your issue.
Another issue with your pushmail (via GPRS), I constantly working with pushmail and there is no missing mail. there are 2 things you may need to take into account.
1) check your peak or non-peak time. if you need to constantly receive mail immediately in 7x24, you need to set non-peak time also "arrive immediately". something like that.
2) apperantly, WM will save battery when device in sleep mode, WI-FI will deactivated. if you use WI-FI to work with pushmail, you may need some registry settings (i dunno which registry to control this) to disable such energy saving capability. Or, use normal GPRS or 3G data connectivity to test.
P.S. I hate to be the support of HTC product, but seems HTC have well-known bad after sales service.
Using adv. config. I disabled ,,joint stereo'' . I have no problems with ''no sound'' after using BT headset anymore. Can somebody else to confirm this ?
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Using adv. config. I disabled ,,joint stereo'' . I have no problems with ''no sound'' after using BT headset anymore. Can somebody else to confirm this ?
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I've tried but doesn't work, this problem's still here