i am an ORANGE UK, user - i have their Line 2 service (2 lines on 1 Sim card.
90% of nokia's support the 2 lines, but have found the SPV M3100, and HTC Kaiser (tytnII) are said not too...
However, recently i removed the poor excuse for a rom, that orange installed on my device and installed the HTC shipping Rom.
I then was drawn to the fact that although HTC say, no our device doesnt support in anyway the second line, and windows 6 doesnt on this type of device.
I find that:-
1 - i can change lines from line 1 to 2 etc
2 - i can dial out from line 1 and line 2
3 - i can receive calls on my line 1
4 - i can receive texts on both my line 1 & 2 numbers
5 - the problem - if i dial my line 2 number, it gives a discontinued tone.
i can now hear you all thinking - thats really strange and yet, so close to being fully compatible!
i think it's probably something so small, but it just wont let the call in.
My SPV M3100 - had yet another amazing issue again connected, my 1st device - when the line 2 number was called, the device screen would light up, then terminate the incoming call. I then had to change the device and got another in place, this device had a later rom issue onboard, guess what, when you called the line 2 number - not a sausage, this would indicate - something in the rom.
Can someone please have a look at the HTC shipping rom, and see what you can find...
would love to be able to fully utilise the device and so would many other UK orange users with Line 2
Any help would be appreciated.
cheers
I dont know about this in first hand, but i have read here that 2 lines work. Do more search about it here and you should find talk about it.
It has to work. Cause someone already posted a topic about 2 lines support in wm6.
yes 2 lines work i do use them in my kaiser (i dont know if its because im in mexico but whatever xDU ) try reading more here
arh....but
the info i am getting is Microsoft did alot of work for the WM6 for Smart Phones, but dropped the whole PPC shortfall issues, its definately the rom thats holding the facility from working but it's finding someone who knows what they are doing and looking for within a rom.
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may i please you to recover a fckin secret how to get rid of that stupid multiline icon on today screen??? I really really cant find it. thanks a lot.
what multi-line icon?
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Sorry, please find enclosed screen capture... thank you- i cant nothing after searching web, forum and registry in device... probably am blind
Have you got two numbers?
just 1
No i have just one number- this icon appeared immediately after first time phone installation. In phone settings there is a tab for it but i can just choose line 1 or 2, there is no other choice in that tab.
idea
Well i tried to look into SIM manager appl and in tools I can find "list of Own numbers" tool. In that are listed Voice line 1 and 2 and Data. But even if there is an erase option I cant dismiss line 2 (it looks like i can erase just information included in an option
What network are you with?
I would guess that they can disable line 2 with a sim update
Vodafone but device is HTC (not rebranded for vodafone...)
So its either something in the HTC rom... or its your sim thinking it has two lines. If its the latter, I am sure Voda can send it an update to clear the second line.
Just tried the following: went to HKLM\Drivers\BuiltIN\RIL\ALSService and changed the value from 1 to 0. Icon in the upper bar disappeared, but after a soft reset it´s there again.
I do have 2 different lines from my provider, however my second line has never worked on any PPC device.....and doesn´t on the TyTNII either - just showing that annoying symbol....
Sorry, i don't know how to get rid of that but i am searching for ages for the ALS support in WM5 Pocket PC Edition.
My carrier is E-Plus and they don't get it to work to enable the bit on the SIM card for ALS.
So every phone os which supports ALS normally checks the SIM card, thinks ALS is not supported and doesn't show the menu to switch the line.
That is very annoying.
In the smartphone edition you can "force" ALS by manually changing the reg key HKLM\System\State\Phone "MultiLineCapabilites" to "1".
I thought ALS is not supported at all in the Pocket PC edition.
I wonder if just exchanging the TAPI Provider (cell tsp) can do the trick.
Hi,
you were right - I tried that option without effect. Nevertheless thank you 4 help.
Same problem here =( Did you find any solution? Right now i think it is first: possible to find the icon in a dll and remove it, the second: To install Wisbar, though both of those are not very handy.
This thread, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=346431 , might help you figure out what is going on. Good luck.
kimtyson said:
This thread, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=346431 , might help you figure out what is going on. Good luck.
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Ye, thanks, I know the cause, but the problem is, that "1" sign is shown even when only one line is used, but though second is supported. My cell operator does provide this feature, but I do not use it. So thats why it is actually annoying - just consuming space.
Second Line....
try using the # key depressed until line changes and dial out, you'll be shocked u have 2 lines, 2 numbers.... the issue will start when u try to dial ur second number... however u'll probably find you can text to it... it just wont accept incoming calls to it...
htc diamond fully support the multiline facility...
Hi,
I've just got my tytn 2 on orange. I have 2 lines with orange on one sim card (personal & business).
My previous phones have been fine with 2 lines on one sim.
Having just been "on hold" with orange customer services for 45 minutes, they are now telling me that the tytn 2 does not support the 2 line feature!
Can someone please confirm this???
To make things worse orange are refusing to take the phone back!!!!!!
Please help.
Many Thanks,
J.
They are correct it does not support it, from memory it does support part but depends on diffrent models, i think it gives a dead tone on line 2 incoming but you can switch to line 2 for outgoing or its the other way round, sorry been a long time since i've had a use for line 2.
I cannot see why you cannot send the phone back you get 7 days with any phone from Orange upgrades so long as you did not purchase instore, either way i would argue they should have advised you that it didnt work with your contract.
Hi,
I have a 2 line SIM card from my provider, it works very good. Both lines will ring if some one call to any of it. You can switch to any line for outgoing calls trough Phone Options. For incoming call you don't need to do nothing, ust insert the SIM and it works, at least in my case is working fine.
Regards,
Taguapire
the generic HTC tytn II rom works ok with Orange UK. You cant receive calls on line 2 but everything else works ok
you need to flash the rom!
If I flash the phone do you think it will work?
The store has agreed to take the phone back providing that I return it by 10:00am today!
JLondon said:
If I flash the phone do you think it will work?
The store has agreed to take the phone back providing that I return it by 10:00am today!
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i cant guarantee that it will work but i believe its a ROM issue, so there is a good change it will!
Wow, i just upgraded my OS to Dutty's final rom, leaving my radio rom as the standard Orange one. And, hang on, what is that 1 up the top next to the G.
Go into the phone app, hold down # and hey presto. Line 2. WOW
This is the first ever phone/os combo that has line 2 support on a pocket pc phone. Has been supported from day 1 in smartphones but not in the pocket pc, why, i dont know, but now it is. Hurrah.
This probly doesnt apply to most people on here but anyone else with line 2 then get stuck in.
Cheers
rob.
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here you go
it is hard to find a dual SIM card....
Hmm, nothing happens when i hold #
Could you give us your radio number :S
I don't have this option and I got duttyroy's final touch flo rom.
And the holding # in phone did not help :S
not a dual simcard, guys... single but with 2 lines.
yeah rogers has a feature like this as well, but not sure how/if it works with the kaiser
yeah it is just a single sim card with 2 different phone numbers.
You can recieve calls on both numbers and it tells you which line it comes in on.
You can also make calls on both numbers by holding # to select which line you want it to go out on.
Orange have offered it as a feature for years, Tmobile in the UK used to as well back in the One2One days, might still do. That is where i got mine from. I was on a One2One precept time plan which came with a priority line free. Back then all the second line could do is recieve calls. It was so you could divert all your calls to voicemail if you were in a meeting or something, but the priority line would still ring through.
When i moved to Orange i got them to match my plan and they did and gave me my line 2. Then when virgin mobile started up i got Orange to put my second line onto that timeplan pricematch so i can keep it forever and not pay any line rental on it, just the call cost. Have had it for years and years. Always wondered why it wasnt supported on Pocket PC's when it was on smartphones.
So there you go, that is the story of my second line.
I think it will only work if your have Orange Line2 SIM
As mentioned, it is one single simcard with two lines/contracts
Orange currently do this and as far as I know, are the only ones that do it - It is in theory two numbers, two contracts (two lines)
akash_84 said:
As mentioned, it is one single simcard with two lines/contracts
Orange currently do this and as far as I know, are the only ones that do it - It is in theory two numbers, two contracts (two lines)
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No it's not. It's 2 lines, ONE contract, ONE number. You can put a call on hold and make/receive another call.
Well not unless they do 2 different sorts, but mine is as stated by akash_84. It is 2 different numbers and 2 different contracts. Obviously under the same account though. When you get your bill though you get 2 bills as if it were a second phone.
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No it's not. It's 2 lines, ONE contract, ONE number. You can put a call on hold and make/receive another call.
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I can do that with 1 line, it's called "Call Waiting" & "Conference" functions.
Our Brit Friends are talking about something totally different. When I worked a Motorola (12 years ago) they had the ability to offer this to their employees but I've never heard of a US Carrier offering such a feature.
Basically is is like having 2 lines at your home or business. They function a two seperate lines. If you silence the first line line2 still rings.
This feature is called ALS (automatic line switching) it is a part of GSM standart, but though not all operators support it. It is like "software dual-sim". You actually have two numbers on one sim and can have two different contracts. One for talking and one, with cheaper traffic, for surfing for example.
I do not know if it is actually working on Kaiser, as I do not use it, but though I have this annoying "1" sign in my taskbar =( An I do not know how to get rid of it.
As said a few times Orange UK have offered this service for years, its probably not as popular as it was, its effectivley two differany contracts and numbers on 1 sim card.
It used to be VERY popular a few years back when Orange UK offered a service called everyday 50. meaning you go 50 mins of evening calls free every days for a very cheap price.
The catch was expensive calls during the day.
To combat this, people had an any time tariff on line 1 (first number) and the offpeak tariff on the second line (second number)
A couple of times i would of been on the phone for 20 mins during the day time to finish the call and find i was using the wrong line and got stung for the day time usage!
Whichever line you dialled out would be displayed at the other end.
Works quite well also for seperating business and plesure as you can disable calls coming in on one of the lines (ie the weekend)
no line 2 (ALS) option on my phone
I have a AT&T Tilt, modded with Dutty's Final ROM as well... but under SETTINGS>Phone there is no ALS tab like the one you show....
am i missing something?
(Using on Rogers Wireless Canada with a Sim Card with two lines/numbers)
I cannot call out on the 2nd number, which is important.
I used to have a HTC 621 (aka Dash/Excalibur) which didnt have this option either but at least when people called the Line2 number it would have a distinctive ring... the Tilt/Kaiser makes no distinction with either number...
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Northred, you can try to enable it by setting "ShowALSPage" to 1 in your registry under HKLM/Software/OEM/PhoneSetting.
I beleive 2nd line is a Orange thing, you get 2 numbers.....one simcard
I have a Cosmote (Greece) SIM card which has 2 numbers in it (2in1) but the Line 1 or 2 doesn't work whether I use First number of SIMcard or Second,the "1" remains there.
Hi All,
Sorry in advance if this question has been asked before. I have recently (last night), got a diamond as an upgrade from a store. However when I got the handset home and opened the box, I found that it has already been used (finger prints all over than handset, sim card already inserted, headset missing etc...). I'm assuming its the stores demo handset.
Is there anyway of telling how old the handset is or how long it has been used for? I haven't turned the handset on as yet, so I don't know what sort of data will be on it (if any).
I'm concerned that when I take it back they will say its just me thats used the handset and kept the headset (!!!), So i'd like to have some ammo to show the handset is older than 1 day.
Even if you had got a brand new unopened one though it would still be older than one day, it's not like the handsets only spring into existence when you open the box.
OK, but there must be some sort of usage timer, I know older non smart phone handsets used to have this feature. Just need pointing in the direction of where it is on this one.
yes there is
in setting someware will tell you how long the phone is used and what calls it has made...length of time
hope this helps
start>settings>system>device info. call duration tab.
same as on all htc devices.
these call timers also cannot be erased by a hard reset or a rom update, so if there's anything on there over what you've done, then you've got a demo or a refurb unit.
Kinda silly of them to leave it in that state though!!
Little reminiscing...
Back in what must have been the 90s and early 2000s Philips was big in the phone game, let's call them the HTC of the time as they certainly spawned some modders.
I had a C12 (Cellnet/U - aka redesigned Savvy on Orange) when I was 15, must have been 2000ish at school (25 now). I remember that the early 'U' branded models had an exploit where you could send free texts by switching the phone off at a precise point when the text was sending. You'd then switch on, and there you go - your balance wasn't touched and the text was sent. This was great, but I believe BT/Cellnet/U/Genie (Jesus, they went through some names) now o2 eventually patched this by adding a random delay at the service centre end so you'd be lucky if they went through free. At least that's what I gathered by the way my phone was acting!
It was hassle though, I generally paid for those texts and I must have spent hundreds back then as a schoolkid texting the cute girl at school and pirate radio stations.
I remember you could do a hardware mod to the C12 and Diga which completly overrode any charging at all. Back then nothing was linked to a name so you'd get away with it until it was cut off (not sure how they went about detecting it). I had an associate who spend virtual-thousands in calls and texts before he was chopped.
These were some old skool devices. My sister got a mobile before me (despite being younger ) and got a Diga on Cellnet. Massive - credit card sim too (even though you could selotape a regular sim inside it) probably the same size as my HD2 (what a u-turn!) and had what I think was a 1 line display where texts would scroll along the screen 1 character at a time. Jesus.
My dad had a friend with a Philips Fizz that needed a wheel barrow to carry it around in, don't think that even did SMS.
Alas, Philips came out with a new C12 which did *something* different, new sim cards or whatever, and wasn't compatible with the old ones. Some years ago Digas and C12s all got blocked from networks altogether. Philips have disappeared from the phone scene altogether now it seems.
We're talking a decade, people. Dig out that old first phone of yours (mine was a Diga and Motorola M3788) and compare them. Mindblowing!
I GOOGLEd them n... well, ew.