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2in1 Sim Question

I have a SIM with two numbers, 2in1.
The problem is that it always shows on the title bar the number "1" (Line 1)
with the two numbers.The problem is that I don't know which number is on abd I have to go into the SIM menu to check.
any solution?

where did you get a 2 in one sim - i need one of those!

it's a service by my network.
This SIM has two numbers and whether someone calls you on the first number or on the second,the phone rings.

Aw Crap!
Hey well thx for the swift answer anyway!
;-)

You can buy 2 in 1 sims on ebay along with a sim duplicator that will put both of your single sims on the 2 in 1 card. The actually even have super sims that can hold way more than 2 sims. Just search super sim on ebay and I'm sure you'll find what I'm talking about.

Thx buddy I will - not sure if these will work with Tmob tho or willthey fit the kaiser...
peace matey
al

That I couldn't tell you. I've never used one before, just knew where to find them. SIM cards should all be the same size though so it should fit and I just read a post in the wizard forum earlier today that said that one cooked ROM for the wizard even supports multi sim cards and the ones that don't you can change which number is being used in the sim manager. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if that means you'll miss any calls made to the number not being used or if you only have to change the one being used if you want to use that number to dial out on.

No,you won't lose any phones.
The only thing is that you don't know which number you have active (to make calls).
Just this....The 2in1 SIM cards work fine on Kaiser without a problem at all.

this is great news you lot are frikkin brilliant - why did i stay away so long?!
ty fellaz
lr

OH MY GOD ! Line 2 support in WM6 Pro

Wow, i just upgraded my OS to Dutty's final rom, leaving my radio rom as the standard Orange one. And, hang on, what is that 1 up the top next to the G.
Go into the phone app, hold down # and hey presto. Line 2. WOW
This is the first ever phone/os combo that has line 2 support on a pocket pc phone. Has been supported from day 1 in smartphones but not in the pocket pc, why, i dont know, but now it is. Hurrah.
This probly doesnt apply to most people on here but anyone else with line 2 then get stuck in.
Cheers
rob.

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here you go

it is hard to find a dual SIM card....

Hmm, nothing happens when i hold #

Could you give us your radio number :S
I don't have this option and I got duttyroy's final touch flo rom.
And the holding # in phone did not help :S

not a dual simcard, guys... single but with 2 lines.

yeah rogers has a feature like this as well, but not sure how/if it works with the kaiser

yeah it is just a single sim card with 2 different phone numbers.
You can recieve calls on both numbers and it tells you which line it comes in on.
You can also make calls on both numbers by holding # to select which line you want it to go out on.
Orange have offered it as a feature for years, Tmobile in the UK used to as well back in the One2One days, might still do. That is where i got mine from. I was on a One2One precept time plan which came with a priority line free. Back then all the second line could do is recieve calls. It was so you could divert all your calls to voicemail if you were in a meeting or something, but the priority line would still ring through.
When i moved to Orange i got them to match my plan and they did and gave me my line 2. Then when virgin mobile started up i got Orange to put my second line onto that timeplan pricematch so i can keep it forever and not pay any line rental on it, just the call cost. Have had it for years and years. Always wondered why it wasnt supported on Pocket PC's when it was on smartphones.
So there you go, that is the story of my second line.

I think it will only work if your have Orange Line2 SIM

As mentioned, it is one single simcard with two lines/contracts
Orange currently do this and as far as I know, are the only ones that do it - It is in theory two numbers, two contracts (two lines)

akash_84 said:
As mentioned, it is one single simcard with two lines/contracts
Orange currently do this and as far as I know, are the only ones that do it - It is in theory two numbers, two contracts (two lines)
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No it's not. It's 2 lines, ONE contract, ONE number. You can put a call on hold and make/receive another call.

Well not unless they do 2 different sorts, but mine is as stated by akash_84. It is 2 different numbers and 2 different contracts. Obviously under the same account though. When you get your bill though you get 2 bills as if it were a second phone.

FloatingFatMan said:
No it's not. It's 2 lines, ONE contract, ONE number. You can put a call on hold and make/receive another call.
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I can do that with 1 line, it's called "Call Waiting" & "Conference" functions.
Our Brit Friends are talking about something totally different. When I worked a Motorola (12 years ago) they had the ability to offer this to their employees but I've never heard of a US Carrier offering such a feature.
Basically is is like having 2 lines at your home or business. They function a two seperate lines. If you silence the first line line2 still rings.

This feature is called ALS (automatic line switching) it is a part of GSM standart, but though not all operators support it. It is like "software dual-sim". You actually have two numbers on one sim and can have two different contracts. One for talking and one, with cheaper traffic, for surfing for example.
I do not know if it is actually working on Kaiser, as I do not use it, but though I have this annoying "1" sign in my taskbar =( An I do not know how to get rid of it.

As said a few times Orange UK have offered this service for years, its probably not as popular as it was, its effectivley two differany contracts and numbers on 1 sim card.
It used to be VERY popular a few years back when Orange UK offered a service called everyday 50. meaning you go 50 mins of evening calls free every days for a very cheap price.
The catch was expensive calls during the day.
To combat this, people had an any time tariff on line 1 (first number) and the offpeak tariff on the second line (second number)
A couple of times i would of been on the phone for 20 mins during the day time to finish the call and find i was using the wrong line and got stung for the day time usage!
Whichever line you dialled out would be displayed at the other end.
Works quite well also for seperating business and plesure as you can disable calls coming in on one of the lines (ie the weekend)

no line 2 (ALS) option on my phone
I have a AT&T Tilt, modded with Dutty's Final ROM as well... but under SETTINGS>Phone there is no ALS tab like the one you show....
am i missing something?
(Using on Rogers Wireless Canada with a Sim Card with two lines/numbers)
I cannot call out on the 2nd number, which is important.
I used to have a HTC 621 (aka Dash/Excalibur) which didnt have this option either but at least when people called the Line2 number it would have a distinctive ring... the Tilt/Kaiser makes no distinction with either number...
Help

Northred, you can try to enable it by setting "ShowALSPage" to 1 in your registry under HKLM/Software/OEM/PhoneSetting.

I beleive 2nd line is a Orange thing, you get 2 numbers.....one simcard

I have a Cosmote (Greece) SIM card which has 2 numbers in it (2in1) but the Line 1 or 2 doesn't work whether I use First number of SIMcard or Second,the "1" remains there.

SIM services

Hi,
Since I've never had Windows Mobile device before but planning to get the recently announced Touch Pro I'm wondering how it'll handle SIM services.
The thing is that I'm using a special service with my provider that allows me to have two lines with different numbers on one SIM card. That way I can always receive incoming calls to both lines and switch between them two for outgoing calls.
I know that when I switch lines via the SIM menu it kind of resets the phone for a sec and registers again with the selected line. It works perfect with my Symbian N73 but how the Touch Pro will handle this?

I doubt that many people would know. You need to find someone else who has a WM device and the same special SIM service...
Perhaps you could create a thread about the special SIM service on the 'General' forum, in order to attract the attention of more users.

It uses a refresh like the dual sim's that have a STK menu. If the phone supports refresh it'll work. It should, but you never know.

Dark Fire said:
Perhaps you could create a thread about the special SIM service on the 'General' forum, in order to attract the attention of more users.
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Thanks, will do that.

Anyone..?

i had this service (2 lines on 1 sim) with orange and when i received my SPV M3100-Herms it only worked on one number

Virtual SIM card?

Hi,
So I was thinking, is it possible with some driver may be to make a virtual copy of a physical SIM card, possibly copy 3-4 cards and make the phone work in multi-card mode without the need of SIM cards being physically present?

now that would be nice, a great idea, im pretty sure someone could make something like this since like other phones like sprint dont have a sim card sometimes are programed directly to the phone maybe its the same prosses.
also would make it easier for many like me that have 2 or more sim cards i myself have a T-Mobile (US) and Movistar (Mex.) sim cards and its a bother to have to change them when visiting like right now im in Mexico at the moment.
but it also would bring up another problem to have something like that.
for example someone gets your sim card (if you dont know anything about such program and if made) and someone with mischeif on their minds saves your sim information and uses it as they please. (then again. its just like stealing your phone, you would call your provider and disactivate it so no further charges would apply the second you knew that something was up. its just harder to know since you would have to wait till the bill comes in)
but if at all possible i would use it for good. would be nice

tombrighteyes said:
now that would be nice, a great idea, im pretty sure someone could make something like this since like other phones like sprint dont have a sim card sometimes are programed directly to the phone maybe its the same prosses.
also would make it easier for many like me that have 2 or more sim cards i myself have a T-Mobile (US) and Movistar (Mex.) sim cards and its a bother to have to change them when visiting like right now im in Mexico at the moment.
but it also would bring up another problem to have something like that.
for example someone gets your sim card (if you dont know anything about such program and if made) and someone with mischeif on their minds saves your sim information and uses it as they please. (then again. its just like stealing your phone, you would call your provider and disactivate it so no further charges would apply the second you knew that something was up. its just harder to know since you would have to wait till the bill comes in)
but if at all possible i would use it for good. would be nice
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Indeed, i hope it is possible. I dont think theft would be any problem at all, because the gsm network should not accept simultaneous login from the same SIM card. It just makes sense to be this way. I myself have to use up to 5 cards and growing. Ultimately, virtual SIM cards would also enable purchasing cards from the internet and also cheapest route selection, things like this..

point made.
you have a point.
i forgot about the network not allowing you to have two at the same time.
but yeah then again, it shouldn't be much of a problem i think. 5 cards is alot.
but you're right if such a program where made, it would open the market so mucho more and one could actually buy online sim card info. and if this program where made, one could save the info to the phone then back it up to a computer (where it's safe, most of the time atleast) and maybe the same program could write back to a sim card thats not activated (for purposes just as loosing a sim card, but not the info.) now there's an idea for ya.
would be super nice!
too bad i have no clue on how to program such things, but ideas i have
if anyone takes the challenge to create it, if at all possible i would gladly donate since i would use it surely.

Possible, but..
It's possible if you have the Ki and IMSI values from your SIM. The IMSI is easy, but cracking the Ki is only possible in old SIM cards, using COMP128-1 encryption.
All the SIM cloning tools on eBay can clone only these old cards.

A virtual sim card is a really cool idea. No more swapping sim cards between you primairy phone and your backup phone... (I only have only one sim)

kolomparrudi said:
It's possible if you have the Ki and IMSI values from your SIM. The IMSI is easy, but cracking the Ki is only possible in old SIM cards, using COMP128-1 encryption.
All the SIM cloning tools on eBay can clone only these old cards.
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IMSI can be be read with an nokia e51 using the blackberry connect softwre. you can see the imsi value in the programe info where you must enter to view you PIN.

emilgaig said:
IMSI can be be read with an nokia e51 using the blackberry connect softwre. you can see the imsi value in the programe info where you must enter to view you PIN.
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Hi
No they give you the IMEI number not the IMSI.
The problem you would have is that sooner or later the networks would block your phone because they will see the fact that your phone is running 4-5 mobile numbers with ONE IMEI no. Ebay is littered with Cheap dual active SIM phones. They only have one IMEI and sooner or later the network(s) will switch off your phone.
The way round this is to have 2 IMEI numbers to run 2 sim cards at the same time...abit like the Samsung D880. This basically means you have 2 phones with 1 screen and 1 keypad...i have one and i know these work great!!.
Regards
Wasim

The will not block you for changin sims, right?
And also GSM won't allow you to register simulteniously two sims, only one at a time...
Cos TD has only ONE GSM inside, not two as Samsung DuoS

What the progress of the topic, people?

I certainly hope this is not possible. I wouldn't want to know anyone can copy and use my simcard. That would be an unacceptable breach of security for any mobile phone user.

This might be a good breach, and it exists, just need a tool to use it with windows mobile! I can even now COPY MY SIM to another sim, yes - it's need a liitle crack with it, but card itself intact, and i can have a copy
So - What are solutions now for windows mobile?

i really like to know if it is possible. but i dont think an emulator is a must because in ppc we can easly turn off the cellular connection and turn it on again. that way (if you've used old 3in1 sim cards, you'd know) you can change the operator. every time you restarted the gsm connection, your operator will change.
and what about connecting to more-than-one operator at the same time?
cheers

and what about connecting to more-than-one operator at the same time?
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that function is not possible (c) Thor, Stargate SG-1

pedmond said:
I certainly hope this is not possible. I wouldn't want to know anyone can copy and use my simcard. That would be an unacceptable breach of security for any mobile phone user.
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I am in Saudi & have 3 sim cards(STC) with the same number. One in my laptop, One in my Samsung, one in my Diamond. All work for internet at the same time to use for phone I activate by *123$ (this is then primary card for incoming & texts). When in Spain I have 2 cards(Movistar) both of these work & ring at the same time, but text messages only goes to one of them.

Virtual Sim Card
hello ladies and gentleman this is a very good idea i was thinking about the same idea today... In the virtual sim card there should be a tracking device installed in the phone so that when it is stolen you can track down the phone or the company can switch of the phone and it will have no use and all your data is safe... I am all the way in africa Botswana and my name is delmar dube i am willing to do more research on this because i want to see it come true

I would be surprised if this was possible... the GSM chipset firmware is pretty much sealed off from a phone's operating system except for the AT command interface. Otherwise people would be able to fiddle with transmit power which would invalidate the phone's FCC/etc certifications.

Any progress??
Heyy like most on this forum thread I just thought of this last night, I have an unlimited plan with Wind Mobile (who's coverage is um.... not great) with Unlimited internet and talking and texting for $29/mo. Unfortunately I spend the majority of my time outside their current coverage area, and would like to get one of Telus' "One Number Unlimited" voice plan ($7/mo) for when I'm outside of Wind's area but still want to call my girlfriend. Virutal Switchable SIM cards would be a great solution since my phone doesn't exactly like to co-operate with me when I try to turn it on after having the battery removed to get access to the SIM slot. Plus I don't want to be carrying around a little tiny piece of plastic that'll give me chaos if I ever lost it.
Anyways I'm running a Samsung Galaxy Exhibit 4g (4g is the name of the phone, it's just LTE of 3G though), It's running ICS 4.*something.
Oh yeah, sorry for being a grave-digger

I love this idea. I mean apple now has patents for virtual simcards, I really hope the android market follows suit. I have 6 sim cards and counting (Afghanistan, Switzerland, United States, Korea, Philippines, and UAE), and would love to be able to purchase and activate my "virtual sim card" off of say the Google Play Store, prior to flying into a country.
I wouldn't mind some kind of DRM or whatnot, just being able to buy service before I go into country, and then have calling and data capabilities as soon as I walk off the plane would be worth it.

I have a korean Galaxy S2, which has the sim tray damaged, being impossible to connect any SIM card.
If I could use virtually my SIM card, I coud use this phone.
Is this possible??
I just wanted to use one SIM card just for phone calls, dont even need services like internet...

Dual SIM cards in xt1068

Hello, Can someone please explain to be what exactly happens with 2 SIM cards in this model.
My main questions are when you text someone do you chose what number it sends from?
Can it support 2 different carriers, since it is an unlocked phone?
Lastly, like the first questions when you call or use data can you chose where it goes through?
Thank you kindly.

stefanthehuman said:
Hello, Can someone please explain to be what exactly happens with 2 SIM cards in this model.
My main questions are when you text someone do you chose what number it sends from?
Can it support 2 different carriers, since it is an unlocked phone?
Lastly, like the first questions when you call or use data can you chose where it goes through?
Thank you kindly.
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I'm currently using 2 SIM cards from 2 different carriers.
When I make a call or send a text it prompts for which SIM card to use - although you can set a default if you like.
Incoming calls and texts state which SIM card they arrived from.
You can select which of the SIMs to use for data.
You can also assign a name and colour to the SIM cards, so you can easily identify them.

stefanthehuman said:
Hello, Can someone please explain to be what exactly happens with 2 SIM cards in this model.
My main questions are when you text someone do you chose what number it sends from?
Can it support 2 different carriers, since it is an unlocked phone?
Lastly, like the first questions when you call or use data can you chose where it goes through?
Thank you kindly.
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The XT1068 is a dual standy device. It can support two different carriers. You assign one SIM for data/calls over 2G/3G and one for calls only over 2G. You can also decide whether the data enabled SIM or the voice/sms only SIM takes priority. For example, if the voice/sms SIM is given priority, the other SIM is put into standby for the duration of the call, thus you'll be unreachable on that number assigned to the data SIM until the call ends. Motorola have modified Android to allow you to choose how each call/sms is routed, either individually, or on a number by number basis.

thecresta said:
I'm currently using 2 SIM cards from 2 different carriers.
When I make a call or send a text it prompts for which SIM card to use - although you can set a default if you like.
Incoming calls and texts state which SIM card they arrived from.
You can select which of the SIMs to use for data.
You can also assign a name and colour to the SIM cards, so you can easily identify them.
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Thank you, you literally answered all of my questions. Thank you so much.:victory: