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Signal Strength issues-Kaiser

Here is an interesting observation. I have noticed the signal strength (HTC Kaiser branded, with the ATT carrier), for the most part has been averaging 2 to 3 bars. While at a local ATT store, I noticed the Tilt, 2 display models, were both displaying 4 bars, while mine, (HTC) branded only gave 2 bars. Now add another customer that also had a branded HTC Kaiser, his displayed the same as mine. Yet both ATT Tilts were (4) bars. The rep. indicted that all the ATT Tilts have been tweaked!. I called HTC and they had no clue. Has anyone been aware of this difference?

more bars in more places...even if it's only imaginary.

is the radio software reporting as the same?

Kaiser signal strength seems OK
Signal strength can also depend on what cell your phone is locked onto at the time. If the nearest cell is busy, your phone could be switched to a less busy nearby cell and thereby show less bars. My own observations are that the Kaiser (I have HTC TyTN II) is every bit as good as my previous Dopod 810 (Trinity) and my friends dedicated LG phone. Signal strength is not an issue for me and I spend every weekend in a very marginal area.

Actually I have noticed the same. On my unbranded HTC Tytn II I also only get 2 bars when the band is set to Auto under phone settings. Selecting network type GSM thus forcing off 3G I can get back to 4 bars so maybe the radio rom for the At&T is better?

On my Tilt I've gone back and forth between the ATT and HTC ROMs and I do get about one bar better on the ATT ROM average.

Well thank you all for the posts. I tried switching the system from auto to GSM, and there you go......full 4 bars. Maybe the Auto 3G limits the signal strength.

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Well thank you all for the posts. I tried switching the system from auto to GSM, and there you go......full 4 bars. Maybe the Auto 3G limits the signal strength.
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3G doesn't have as good as coverage as GSM, and may even be coming from a different mast to your GSM signal. 3G normally uses higher frequencies that will not penetrate so far into buildings and is transmitted at a lower power.
It is quite common that you will have a lower 3G signal than you would on GSM.
Regards
Phil

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Hi Thanks for all the posts. I went to settings and phone and cannot see where to change the auto to gsm. I have the new ATT tilt. Help I really need a better signal or I will have to take my wonderful new toy back
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Whether you have one or five bars is unimportant. What's important:
Are your calls getting to you or going out with acceptable consistency?
Are you getting the data connection and speeds you desire?
Are able to get the messages you want?
Are you getting the battery life you're looking for?
Answer those questions and then decide whether or not to take the phone back. If it's "yes" to all of the above, then you really don't care if it shows 1/2 a bar - it's meeting the needs you've got.

Signal Strength.
Most everything is great except: When I place or receive a call, most of the time we cannot communicate. Everything cuts out. It is frustrating for me and whomever I am speaking with. I would love to change the settings to GSM only, but I don't seem to have that option on my att tilt 8925.

Signal Strength Fixed AT&T Tilt
Signal Strength Fixed AT&T Tilt
http://www.commmgrpro.com/jsp/main_frame.jsf
switch to Bandswitch tab from CommMgrPRO
download bandswitch zip file unzip should give you cab file.
install it in your TILT, run the program, change AUTO TO GSM
i used to have 2 bars NOW I HAVE 4 FULL BARS
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

jimzeeem said:
Signal Strength Fixed AT&T Tilt
http://www.commmgrpro.com/jsp/main_frame.jsf
switch to Bandswitch tab from CommMgrPRO
download bandswitch zip file unzip should give you cab file.
install it in your TILT, run the program, change AUTO TO GSM
i used to have 2 bars NOW I HAVE 4 FULL BARS
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
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Hi:
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but does this also disable 3G/hsdpa?
Thanks and MERRY CHRISTMAS to you too

fredm said:
Here is an interesting observation. I have noticed the signal strength (HTC Kaiser branded, with the ATT carrier), for the most part has been averaging 2 to 3 bars. While at a local ATT store, I noticed the Tilt, 2 display models, were both displaying 4 bars, while mine, (HTC) branded only gave 2 bars. Now add another customer that also had a branded HTC Kaiser, his displayed the same as mine. Yet both ATT Tilts were (4) bars. The rep. indicted that all the ATT Tilts have been tweaked!. I called HTC and they had no clue. Has anyone been aware of this difference?
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yep i have htc kaiser, same probelm, tried o2 simcard 2 bars same with 3g.Rang htc helpdesk they dont have a clue.many user generally one the net has this probelm.dont know what the fix is.

debu11 said:
yep i have htc kaiser, same probelm, tried o2 simcard 2 bars same with 3g.Rang htc helpdesk they dont have a clue.many user generally one the net has this probelm.dont know what the fix is.
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I too have tried 2 different SIM cards. I have also tried turning off 3G. Motorola V3xx shows 4 bars of service, while the Tilt (sitting in the same exact spot, at the same time), shows at most 2 bars, and sometimes even 0 bars.
My Treo 750 also always shows at least 2 bars, when the Tilt goes down to zero.
Very frustrating

cincy1020 said:
Hi:
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but does this also disable 3G/hsdpa?
Thanks and MERRY CHRISTMAS to you too
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I installed this, and before i had it i aways got hspda, now w/it intstalled i only get 3g, i still have hspda enabled via kaiser tweak, but it doesn't show up, i'm in a hspda city(st. louis) i've had it for about a month or so now and cant get it w/this program installed, any fix for this? on the upside i do get more signal strength w/it. I"m using att tilt w/the tilt rom.

tag for increasing signal strength program

In the Kaiser Upgrading forum I added my two cents about this in the Radios thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1783489&postcount=96
It's been my experience that 3G/HSDPA has much better throughput than EDGE at a lower signal strength. "2 bars" of 3G reception still beats even "4 bars" of EVDO/EDGE.
Of course, if you want I could tweak the radio .dll to report 4 bars if it will make you feel better -- It's still 2 bars of 3G though. To use a much less flattering analogy it's the equivalent of me peeing on your back and telling you it's raining.

rob.ocelot said:
In the Kaiser Upgrading forum I added my two cents about this in the Radios thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1783489&postcount=96
It's been my experience that 3G/HSDPA has much better throughput than EDGE at a lower signal strength. "2 bars" of 3G reception still beats even "4 bars" of EVDO/EDGE.
Of course, if you want I could tweak the radio .dll to report 4 bars if it will make you feel better -- It's still 2 bars of 3G though. To use a much less flattering analogy it's the equivalent of me peeing on your back and telling you it's raining.
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I think the actual problem isn't that not enough bars are shown, I think the problem (at least for me) is terrible reception. At times, my phone goes down to zero bars, and sends all calls to voicemail. During this exact time, I can have a Moto V3xx and a Treo 750 sitting right next to the Tilt, and both will have at least 2 bars, and good call quality.
PS: My reception seems about the same with 3G on or off. Although I have seen many reports of 3G interfering with reception (ie. when it switches over), in my case turning 3G off completely hasn't helped at all.

HTC Kaiser/TytnII/Tilt Reception sucks!
I had an Mpx220 up until October 2007, which is when I purchased the AT&T Tilt. The VOICE reception on this phone is terrible! I get very low reception at home when I used to get full reception on my Mpx220 before! Also, whenever I'm on the speakerphone, the person on the other line has trouble hearing me. I called AT&T and had them exchange my bad phone. Once I got the new phone... THE SAME PROBLEMS!!!! I went back to my Mpx220 and the reception was wonderful on my Mpx! What's up with the Tilt? Also, the camera has a high resolution, but it takes about 5-6 seconds to take the picture once the button is pressed. Oh, and whenever I lose reception/signal completely and go back to an area where there is good signal, the phone will take FOREVER to recognize it's on a new signal area! Sometimes it doesn't even recognize this and I have to restart the phone. It sucks! This phone, so far, has been good in EVERYTHING except as a phone!!! BEWARE!

Kaiser : When 3G icon appears ATT Service is lost...

I am on the old $39.99 ATT plan the one that does not have 3G and my with an old “blue” SIM card. I have been using Sony S710a for the past two years which in fact worked fine. A week ago I have obtained ATT Tilt (HTC 8925), unlocked it so that it would read my card and started using it.
Here is the problem that I can’t solve>
Sometimes my phone loses service, completely, and I cannot reconnect to ATT Service. I have tried to find a pattern but so far I am clueless of what might be causing it.
According to my observation:
1. It has been happening in certain neighborhoods.
2. When I do find service and connect to it shows E and then switches to 3G
3. When my phone starts to show 3G it loses connection.
This phenomenon happens only from time to time. Other times I have 3G icon and everythign is fine. I have tried T-mobile card in it and there is no problem. It connects to T-mobile service and has all bars. Thereafter I have put my card into an unlocked Nokia 6300 and my ATT connection works fine. The only thing I can blame is 3G.
Please if anyone knows what this, why its happening and how I can avoid this issue let me know. Thank you.

it looks like I have got a solution...
Im not sure yet, but so far I have installed an application that supposed to keep me away from [3G]. The application that I have installed is Bandswitch. So far it only shows [E] . I have to travel to those areas where I had no service to be sure that this program works. Ill keep you updated on this issue.

go get a new sim card. ATT and Cingular towers were different so some older sim cards have trouble connecting to some towers. its only something like 15 bucks.
when i went to the ATT storeto get my tilt, even though i already had a 64k sim they still upgraded the sim (for free seince i was about to pay 400 bucks).

Its your sim card
The old sim cards don't have enough memory. Get a new one with the 3g logo on it. You should probably upgrade your service too. Or you'll get a big surprise when your bill comes.

I have the same problem here in germany with the O2 3G Network... My phone has a GPRS Connection and when the 3G Icon appears there is a total loss of connection for like 10 seconds and its back to GPRS again... End of the story (like i assumed and wrote to O2 ;P) my SIM Card is too old, new one on the way Should work for you as well, like all the other posters before me claimed
Edit: Oh and it didn't cost me one buck, all inclusive service because i didn't lose or broke my SIM Card. When it is too old to be able to allow you to use your full contract properties, i guess they pretty much have to send you a new new SIM card for free. At least here it works this way

Thank you...
The problem is that I dont have a contract and the only way for them to upgrade my sim to 3G is when i sign up. Curently I have 1000 min, nights and weekends from 7pm, free mobile to mobile, free long distance and free incoming SMS. Its highly unlikely that any one of you would give that up and pay more money for less minutes and less services. Right? Thank you. at this point i think im fine with what I have got, in addition to not needing 3G at all. by the way, i think that this program Bandswitch is doing a good job keeping me of 3G. Thank you.

Yarikd said:
The problem is that I dont have a contract and the only way for them to upgrade my sim to 3G is when i sign up.
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I never had to 'upgrade' my sim to 3G, nor sign a new contract. I just took my old GSM SE phone in to ask about service, and they asked if I would like a sim swap to the latest.. Sure, done.
Now works fine with the Kaiser, and never did any form of 3G 'upgrade'.

NuShrike said:
I never had to 'upgrade' my sim to 3G, nor sign a new contract. I just took my old GSM SE phone in to ask about service, and they asked if I would like a sim swap to the latest.. Sure, done.
Now works fine with the Kaiser, and never did any form of 3G 'upgrade'.
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Were you part of the old ATT Blue network? Cingular actually started giving out 3g cards in early 2006 in my area. I got one with my 8125 where they FIRST came out. So it's possible if you've gotten a phone since then and now that your card is already 3g...

Nate731 said:
Were you part of the old ATT Blue network? Cingular actually started giving out 3g cards in early 2006 in my area. I got one with my 8125 where they FIRST came out. So it's possible if you've gotten a phone since then and now that your card is already 3g...
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You're right, I think it may be important to be on the 'orange network' because 3G never existed for the old at&t wireless 'blue'.
I was always part Cingular, and did go through the free-sim upgrade, but got another one when I just walked in after that.

Well I'm in malaysia, Using Maxis 3G network. I also having problem same symptoms like you guys. What do i realize sometime it give my device freeze for sometime. But the freeze just like for few second. And what do i realize when 3G appear our phone signal become weak. From full bar drop to 2 or 1 bar.
Did u guys having this issue too?
My simcard is 128k if im not mistake.

See this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335074
Most likely the same problem. RMA ahead.

Try this on your phone settings (dialer --> menu --> options) on the network tab is network selection set to automatic? i was experimenting with my phone to see if i could get a better signal and set it to manual and choose my network but when im no a 3G connection its called 3G T-mobile and when not its just called T-mobile and on the manual list its just called T-Mobile so each time i got a 3G connection it would lose signal completely and start searching for i think T-mobile not 3G T-mobile the moment i set it back to Auto and soft-reset it worked fine again.

my phone did this at first, and all i had to do was get a new SIM. they didn't charge me a dime for it at the att store, but if they ask just tell them your phone won't connect and that it's a problem with your SIM

I have the same problem and have a new phone on the way. I already have a 3G sim card.
When you call, they'll probably make you hard reset your phone. Just a heads up.

orange touch diamond reception problem

Hi everyone,
I have a touch diamond under a week old, I have used it both inside and outside the house and have checked the coverage online on the orange website and also by calling customer services.
I am not getting hardly any 3G coverage and most of the time it stays fully on the G coverage and switches to 3G and quickly back again and sometimes HSDPA.
I have contacted orange and I am going to send the phone back as I am not happy with this at all.
Is there any rom i can apply I have seen the radio .25 one which apparently improves reception but would I be able to reset everything back incase this fails as well?
Please can anyone help me out I love the phone but browsing is so slow without 3g!

I am in the same boat.
My Orange reception is useless with the phone when in my house finding it hard to even get a signal.
I am fairly certain that its not the phone as I put the sim in another phone and reception was equally bad.
Luckily I also have a T-Mobile contract so will be putting the sim from T-mobile in the Orange Diamond as soon as I can get it unlocked!

Orange is good for me with stock rom and stock radio.
I live in a 2g zone in the countryside, so yes internet is a bit slow for browsing and youtube sucks but call reception is excellent.
http://coverage.orange.co.uk/business/small/uk/UKCoverageSearch.htm

Works fine for me
I live in Wycombe and have great reception. Always have 3G and a lot of the time I even get HSDPA. I am using original radio and TLR3 ROM. It used to work well on the original ROM but not as good as since moving to TLR, even though this shouldn't make a difference!!!

SE Responds to Signal Strength Problem

Hey guys ... I was just reading on the SE X1 blog (http://sonyericssonxperiax1.blogspot.com) something about cool X1 accessories and was very surprised when I read this:
"Other accessories include things to boost the phones use, like memory cards, an easily applicator chip to boost signal strength, car chargers to keep your Xperia working while travelling, and many others..."
Now I know that I m one among many here that think that x1 signal strength is very poor .. has anybody heard about this chip before and where can I get it, how much does it cost, how effective is it and how do you use it?
regards

I don't think that blog is official, and I highly doubt those "chips" actually work.

reception on the phone is poor. driving, building, walking... you never know when it's gonna go. pain the jane.

Those signal chips have been around for almost a decade. They don't work but don't take my word for it. Go to ebay and order yourself one.

well .. this blog isn't official ..
plus , i haven't ever faced a poor signal since i've been usin my X1

3aZoOoF said:
well .. this blog isn't official ..
plus , i haven't ever faced a poor signal since i've been usin my X1
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u will, i have fall signal whilst writing a text and by the time i have finished its trying to find a signal, even though i have not moved. im hoping that the r3 firmware improves this in some way, maybe release a new radio for the x1

I have any X1a on ATT and the signal sux. What's really weird I noticed is that the call is never handed off either (3G to E). Instead, it drops the call completely and then goes to Edge.

elee888 said:
I have any X1a on ATT and the signal sux. What's really weird I noticed is that the call is never handed off either (3G to E). Instead, it drops the call completely and then goes to Edge.
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I've heard complaints about this with the iPhone 3G too. Probably an AT&T thing rather than the X1 in particular.
I'm on T-Mobile (so EDGE only), and it's been as reliable as any other phone I've had (aside from T-Mobile coverage sucking in general).

Ganondolf said:
u will, i have fall signal whilst writing a text and by the time i have finished its trying to find a signal, even though i have not moved. im hoping that the r3 firmware improves this in some way, maybe release a new radio for the x1
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As far as I know, the signal strenght problem only affects some countries (UK, some part of USA, ...). It much depends on the operator infrastructure.

Here in Netherlands i dont have any problems with signal on 3g i can browse every where i want

[email protected] said:
As far as I know, the signal strenght problem only affects some countries (UK, some part of USA, ...). It much depends on the operator infrastructure.
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i am in the uk, but my old sony w960i never had a problem. sony has already said that the signal is weaker due to the metal housing of the handset but there is a signal booster in the handset that comes on if it looses signal but sony says if drains more battery

I've the same problems too. I have to switch off the 3G/WCDMA to get the strong signal..btw, I'm from Indonesia..

yeah the signal is bad all my old SE phones had no problems but x1.....

Reception is fine here in Austria too.
And please, stay away from these chips. Only thing they do is stealing your money out of your pocket.

Chaosstorm said:
Here in Netherlands i dont have any problems with signal on 3g i can browse every where i want
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The problem is not with browsing... you barely notice a drop in the speed or change from 2.5G to 3G.
The problem is when calls drop or everyone else around you seems to get reception and you're still tapping 'please resend message'.
Might seem like a small problem to some but I'm doing around 2000 minutes a month and it get's on your nerves.
I like the phone so am looking for a fix / update.
Cheers,
DrSpain

Same in Belgium... No problem with the signal Strenght, often I am in HSDPA mode

tricky42 said:
I've heard complaints about this with the iPhone 3G too. Probably an AT&T thing rather than the X1 in particular.
I'm on T-Mobile (so EDGE only), and it's been as reliable as any other phone I've had (aside from T-Mobile coverage sucking in general).
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This really seems to be an AT&T Problem. My X1 hands over 3G (actually 3.5) and Edge quite well during calls. I have here a low 3G signal, but good Edge signal. 3G is prefered so I´ve an handover quite often.

I'm on Vodafone in the UK and while my colleagues on the same Network have a signal using other phones, my X1 invariably does not. I usually have to go to the other side of the office to get a signal. Hope new firmware can sort the problem out.

Darkwolfde said:
This really seems to be an AT&T Problem. My X1 hands over 3G (actually 3.5) and Edge quite well during calls. I have here a low 3G signal, but good Edge signal. 3G is prefered so I´ve an handover quite often.
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I've got ATT/X1A in NYC and have no problem unless I'm in some basement. Perhaps the OP has limited himself by selecting a particular band and/or network type? I know if I purposely select WCDMA my 3G will drop because it's pretty spotty out here. Call quality is perfect if I have them both on Auto.

New firmware isn't going to fix it. It's a hardware issue caused by the build of the device, structure and materials used etc - they are blocking the signal slightly.

Two questions that I have for Pro users.

(Q)1 Is it me or Sprint network sucks? I get like 2 bars of LTE outside but once in side the house or any building I get 3G service!!!! Some places o the city I get 3G service too..... I'm new to Sprint but if it's like that I have to say the T-Mobile beat Sprint with coverage.
Long ago I knew of a hack that could boost signal of the phone and some of that were simple as editing the build.prop..
(Q)2 I have Beyond Stock rom on my HKE everything works fine but when I use hotspot my data gets cut off for a sec and then comes back..
Anyone knows why is this?