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Low FPS Camera Temporary Fix.

Ok since no one really explained how the trick of turning off then turn on the device makes the camera faster under low light condition, here is the Instructions.
1. open the camera application
2.Turn off the device by pressing the power button.( do not close camera application)
3.while pointing at a low light object (it have to be low light, what i do is cover the camera with my palm, so no light can be detected by the camera), press the power button to turn on the device, u will notice incredibly more FPS when u shoot in low light condition with no lag at all!!
This is more useful for taking videos under low light condition..(not no light condition)
to make the video brighter, after the trick. set EV to 2.0, contrast to 1. white balance to night mode.
the slow camera can clearly fixed by a software patch...

tried all variations of this theme
covered while rutning off and then on
full light when turning off, covered when turning on and vice versa
no dice here.

ahh now I get it, you don't power off the device you just puy in in sleep
works great though, I'm up from 2 fps to maybe 10
I can see why this doesn't usually happen though
now the delay is even worse than before, the seeker image is trailing way too much
my guess is HTC just settled for the lesser of two evils (ie 2 fps kind of, but nowhere near fully, synced or 10-15 fps not synced at all)

WOWWWW THATS THE WAY TO DO!
great trick!

Great trick, works fine on my stock rom Orange Tytn 2
FPS in bad light has gone from 2-3fps to what looks like over 30fps

Wow, that's pretty amazing...image is darker, but the FPS is pretty much full-motion!

WOW, how is that even possible? great find

I cant believe this!! it worked!!!! Thanks dude!!

oh hell yeah! this worked! great find my friend! great find! and actually you don't need to cover the lens, just open the camera app in a dim lit environment and put into sleep mode, then press the power button again and wah la! BIG thanks to blu3 for this major discovery!

what.. how.. why dose that work lol but it works fantastic

Whoever figured this one out deserves a medal. BIG difference in FPS on
my stock tilt.

when you guys say improves FPS what do you mean?
For taking pictures or taking videos or both????

nice! that low fps delay thing was one of the biggest peeves I had with my Tilt.
Thx!

Thanks a lot! it's works

y2flyy said:
when you guys say improves FPS what do you mean?
For taking pictures or taking videos or both????
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both, it seems with this method, it works as it should originally!

Amazing difference.
Maybe the cooks can work out a routine to do this automatically each time the camera is started.
Cheers for the heads up.

jweather said:
WOW, how is that even possible? great find
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Faster fps are possible with this 'fix' because the CCD isn't trying to pull every last pixel from the shadows (which slows down frame rate). The exposure time is therefore less (you get a darker image) and the camera is then able to send information quicker to the graphics adapter which in turn can display a higher fps.
It appears through some bug, the camera thinks it is correctly exposing a scene, while it is actually under exposing.
This adds even more weight to the argument that it isn't the graphics adapter causing low fps rates on the camera, but rather the camera itself.
Nice find though.

blu3 said:
Ok since no one really explained how the trick of turning off then turn on the device makes the camera faster under low light condition, here is the Instructions.
1. open the camera application
2.Turn off the device by pressing the power button.( do not close camera application)
3.while pointing at a low light object (it have to be low light, what i do is cover the camera with my palm, so no light can be detected by the camera), press the power button to turn on the device, u will notice incredibly more FPS when u shoot in low light condition with no lag at all!!
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Good Job, Nice find.
Simply amazing.

Sounds great! Haven't had time to try this myself yet... any input on whether it affects the quality on actual images taken? No reason why it should but one never knows

smads said:
Faster fps are possible with this 'fix' because the CCD isn't trying to pull every last pixel from the shadows (which slows down frame rate). The exposure time is therefore less (you get a darker image) and the camera is then able to send information quicker to the graphics adapter which in turn can display a higher fps.
It appears through some bug, the camera thinks it is correctly exposing a scene, while it is actually under exposing.
This adds even more weight to the argument that it isn't the graphics adapter causing low fps rates on the camera, but rather the camera itself.
Nice find though.
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We'll not exactly. Nightmode is a software related thing where the fps is forced to slow down to allow more light onto the CMOS sensor(not CCD in this case ). Here the software is being fooled no the hardware, if you point the cam to a bright scene yo'd see it begins working as normal, this is because night mode disables. This is for sure a software problem and not dependant on the raphic drivers. SE phones and others offer a Nightmode which is manually activated, but HTC for some reason has made it auto activated.

Awesome camera trick!!! (SPEEDY CAMERA FPS GUARANTEED)

This is more of a workaround then anything, but if you have a problem with the low lighting = low FPS try this....
Open up your camera, then turn off the screen with the camera still open.
Keep off for a few seconds....
Then turn it back on. Bam! Super fluid motion in the camera lens.
I have no idea why this works. Anyone have ideas?

redsrule2500 said:
I have no idea why this works. Anyone have ideas?
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Not to offend you, but mabe because it's been posted here several times
Just a guess

I've never seen it here...but why does it work????

redsrule2500 said:
I've never seen it here...but why does it work????
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its somewhere in one of these threads
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=365345
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=367065
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=369606

i think that a modertor should put this up on one of the sticky articles..
and in copy and paste the solution onto one of the stickys

wow cool, suprised I havent seen this before thanks for the info

Well, I'm also haven't seen this info before (how could I, the forum is loaded with humongous amount of info and it's virtually impossible to follow it all). But, anyway, this trick working like a charm, therefore redsrule2500, thanks a bunch!

Yes, it does appear to help the lag. Thanks.

Having taken some time in different light conditions I observe the following:
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It does certainly work. However sometimes you need to turn off and on a couple of times.
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If having done the on/off with camera app running trick, you point the camera at something very bright, the lag returns and you have to repeat the on/off trick.
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Doing this trick reduces the cameras light sensitivity. So while it cuts out the lag/blurry focus on moving objects, it also reduces what the camera sees in dark conditions. For example before doing the trick, I focused the camera on people walking down a dark street with one or two street lights on. The people were blurry but the buildings were fine. I then did the trick. The people were no longer blurred as they walked. BUT, the camera no longer saw much of the buildings that were away from the street lights.
So to sum up.
Yes it reduces problems of focusing on moving objects at night.
But the price you pay is that there is a noticable reduction in what the camera can pick up in dark conditions.
It seems to be a trade off and so:
if there are no moving objects in the picture, you are better not to use the trick.
If there are moving objects, you need to decide whether it is more important that they are in focus or whether you want the camera to pick up as much detail as possible. If moving object focus is more important Do the trick.
Mike

oh my God!! it does work!
this is just so awesome!!!! woohoo!!!

mikechannon said:
...I focused the camera on people walking down a dark street with one or two street lights on.
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what are you doing in a dark street taking pics of people!?!
haha, just messing with you
i haven't tried this yet (dont use my camera much) but it has been posted before.

have you noticed that all focusand light effects dissapairs? I think it simply removes them, and thereby increasing the pref

Very handy trick. Thanks!

Awww cumon guys!!!
The 3mm aperture we have has to have a certain amount of time to grab the available light (simple terms for CCD charge accumulation!)
SO, HTC put in this thing called exposure control.
Sample time per frame is set to automatically check first seen light levels and set frame capture to best fit exposure/light level.
Try it in a big room at night, swing slowly around to a dark corner and then to a well lit area and you will see the frame rate change.
All you are doing is confusing the intial sample to default daylight.
We have a very basic camera but its a trade off with SPACE/POWER and a few other things.

Farsquidge said:
Awww cumon guys!!!
The 3mm aperture we have has to have a certain amount of time to grab the available light (simple terms for CCD charge accumulation!)
SO, HTC put in this thing called exposure control.
Sample time per frame is set to automatically check first seen light levels and set frame capture to best fit exposure/light level.
Try it in a big room at night, swing slowly around to a dark corner and then to a well lit area and you will see the frame rate change.
All you are doing is confusing the intial sample to default daylight.
We have a very basic camera but its a trade off with SPACE/POWER and a few other things.
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While this is true, it doesn't mean this trick won't be helpful in a few situations.

This is really really pissing me off...

Ok so I don't know how HTC can allow this type of thing to happen but the Kaiser is by far the worst phone I've used in terms of bugs.
The camera... oh the camera...
My secondary VGA camera takes a 5x clearer photo than the 3MP one.
The VGA camera has no lag or reduced fps in the viewer, yet the 3MP camera has horrible horrible lag when you press button and what seems like 3-5 fps.
This is all the same with the video...
Can somebody tell me what the ****?? Are you all having this problem also or is it just me?
Could it be my radio?
I'm using ROMeOS 4.21
Thanks... and HTC... eff you!
edit: forgot to mention I've tried editing the registry and changing the button to half press instead of full... nothing works.

I'm sorry, but this sort of thing has been discussed before.
Here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=360001&highlight=Camera
Here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=426101&highlight=Camera
And try searching for the Subject "Camera" in this Fourm. You'll find a few posts.
I am not going to spend another minute trolling on this issue.
Dave

Thanks Dave but I've really tried everything suggested in those thread already.
From changing the registry in HKLM\Software\HTC\Camera\Captparam
to installing HTC Album and Camera (with no improvements).
Also I don't see how the first link you posted is relevant at all.
This is why I come to think it is either a screw up in my registry or my radio?

I think the camera in general is bad, I though the first link was a different thread, sorry.
If you search for Threads with the title camera in Kaiser General you will see the scale of how many people have complained about this camera. I am not happy with mine, but I also own a EOS400D, so it's not too bad
Dave

lol I see fair enough... For me I was planning to use my phone camera as my primary camera.. I really just cannot believe the VGA camera can operate at a higher quality than the 3MP..
I honestly think there is a fault in my registry..
I'll say it again.. sometimes the camera works perfect and takes a picture instantly with no FPS lag in the viewer, but most of the time it will be extremely low FPS and after I press the shutter button it will lag for 3 seconds then capture a fuzzy ****ty image.

deXtrous said:
lol I see fair enough... For me I was planning to use my phone camera as my primary camera.. I really just cannot believe the VGA camera can operate at a higher quality than the 3MP..
I honestly think there is a fault in my registry..
I'll say it again.. sometimes the camera works perfect and takes a picture instantly with no FPS lag in the viewer, but most of the time it will be extremely low FPS and after I press the shutter button it will lag for 3 seconds then capture a fuzzy ****ty image.
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Do a Hard Reset and / or try another ROM, if you really think there is something in the registry corrupt / wrong.
Ta
Dave

DaveShaw said:
Do a Hard Reset and / or try another ROM, if you really think there is something in the registry corrupt / wrong.
Ta
Dave
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Might just do that, cheers.

deXtrous said:
lol I see fair enough... For me I was planning to use my phone camera as my primary camera..
[blah blah blah]
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You have got to be kidding.... It's convenient to have a decent camera built into the phone. But your primary camera? Ugh.

deXtrous said:
lol I see fair enough... For me I was planning to use my phone camera as my primary camera.. I really just cannot believe the VGA camera can operate at a higher quality than the 3MP..
I honestly think there is a fault in my registry..
I'll say it again.. sometimes the camera works perfect and takes a picture instantly with no FPS lag in the viewer, but most of the time it will be extremely low FPS and after I press the shutter button it will lag for 3 seconds then capture a fuzzy ****ty image.
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Have you noticed that the camera takes faster pics in lit areas and slower the darker it gets? This topic is fairly redundant. Click my Vegas link and you can see what the camera does.

Ok, so you're getting a fuzzy image, that will be due to movement when pressing the button.
To improve this slightly use the 3 second timer, that way you can line it up, press the button and hold the camera steady to get a more stable picture.
No, its not a fix for the poor hardware, but it helps a little.

Try removing the transparent cover from the rear casing - or just take pics without the rear casing. Pic quality improves no end....

deXtrous said:
Ok so I don't know how HTC can allow this type of thing to happen but the Kaiser is by far the worst phone I've used in terms of bugs.
The camera... oh the camera...
My secondary VGA camera takes a 5x clearer photo than the 3MP one.
The VGA camera has no lag or reduced fps in the viewer, yet the 3MP camera has horrible horrible lag when you press button and what seems like 3-5 fps.
This is all the same with the video...
Can somebody tell me what the ****?? Are you all having this problem also or is it just me?
Could it be my radio?
I'm using ROMeOS 4.21
Thanks... and HTC... eff you!
edit: forgot to mention I've tried editing the registry and changing the button to half press instead of full... nothing works.
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This has been discussed many times before...The camera is only usable in daylight. Even artificial light makes it really slow (bulbs) Here's why whenever you use the camera in other conditions than the daylight it switches itself into "Night Mode" and because of the lack of optimized 2D drivers the nightmode is terribly slow. Now... there's a small workaround....turn on the camera...if it's slow...press the button on the side the one that switches the screen off..press it again after about 10 seconds and you should have satisfying amount of frames in the camera app. Basically this trick forces the camera to turn off the night mode at least for a while. The only drawback is the quality of the pictures...they are darker. So if you disable the night mode through the registry you will have the camera without any lags.
Good luck

You think the Kaiser is the worst phone ever because it takes bad pictures. Wow. I think it is the best phone ever with an ok camera. I didn't buy the phone because of the camera.

wmg76 said:
You think the Kaiser is the worst phone ever because it takes bad pictures. Wow. I think it is the best phone ever with an ok camera. I didn't buy the phone because of the camera.
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Not only the camera mate, and it's my personal opinion.
The phone itself is very buggy, crashes, not very responsive..
I thank got I found this forum or else my phone would be in the trash by now..
PS. Was your post even needed?

oh, oh, oh.
Please, deXtrous, a little humility. You joined last month and go around shouting at people already?
Perhaps your phone bugging out and crashing is a result of multiple registry edits, application installs, radio/spl/rom incompatibility etc. Not necessarily of putrid quality of the phone itself. Look around this forum: there are many MANY people who are either happy with their Kaisers, or have only minor gripes. This should mean that the phone is not inherently bad, just that - maybe- it is less than perfect... but then, what IS perfect?
Ever since I switched to ROMeOS (easily half a year) I haven't had a single hang-up or bug-out. Granted, I tend to use a tried-and-tested set of applications, but hey, there are about 40-50 of them! And my Kaiser still works nice and fast..... sans the camera which still sucks... but hey, it's just an effing camera. Useful in a phone but FAR from key.

deXtrous said:
Not only the camera mate, and it's my personal opinion.
The phone itself is very buggy, crashes, not very responsive..
I thank got I found this forum or else my phone would be in the trash by now..
PS. Was your post even needed?
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You're asking a guy who's defending a kaiser, in a kaiser forum, after you rubbish the kaiser, if he needed to post. I think you should chill for a bit..

OK, enough. No need to start laying into each other.
Can a Mod close this thread? Nothing constructive can come from this.
Ta
Dave

Ha... Sorry I find this kind of funny..
It's just a phone guys, no need to take offense to anything I say about a silly phone..
It's my personal experiences with the phone. Not everyone can be happy with the product they buy but why should the unhappy ones be shunned off by their counterparts for simply voicing their opinions?
Everyone has an opinion and view on things, no need to be offended of my opinion that the kaiser is a piece of crap with **** battery life, **** camera, flimsy buttons and crap hardware (IME).
anyway,
The camera was like this even prior to any ROM swapping or registry editing, which is why I thought a new ROM might help but apparently not.

Maybe you have a bad phone, I know I don't think mine is buggy and non reponsive. Also nothing I have on mine seems to be flimsy..
Bad phone maybe?

Any hacks to make the camera take better pictures?

I've tried all the settings and resolution. I find 640 X 480 to be the clearest. Still pictures are clear. Anything moving in the picture is a blurry mess. Is there a registry hack that improves clearity?

+1 bump +1

Wow, an 18 minute speedbump
Please clarify what you have tried, my Crystal Ball is away for Calibration.
(Or do you expect a 300 $ camera in a 600 $ mobile? )
Did you both try the "reaction time" tweaks that are available in Advanced Config ?

this is coming from a photographer. Blurry objects are caused by moving objects in a low light environment. When trying to capture light in a room with poor lightning the camera shutter will stay open longer to capture enough lights for the exposure. This can be corrected by bumping up the ISO or apenture. Since this cannot be done by the camera on the Fuze you can always turn Flash on to compensate for the low light or resting your elbows on a desk for more steady position

karloe said:
Wow, an 18 minute speedbump
Please clarify what you have tried, my Crystal Ball is away for Calibration.
(Or do you expect a 300 $ camera in a 600 $ mobile? )
Did you both try the "reaction time" tweaks that are available in Advanced Config ?
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I'm coming from devices like the Sanyo M1 (2MP Auto Focus, the best camera phone ever on Sprint), Mogul (2MP decent pictures) and Treo 800 (2MP, really nice pics). All I'm asking is for the blurry pics to be better. I took 20 pics yesterday and 18 of them were blurry. I've tried every resolution setting. Like I mentioned earlier it seems L 640 X 480 pictures seem to be better than the higher settings.

Buy SonyEricsson and you get a camera that can be actually used for something...

Mine takes pretty good pictures, do you hold the capture button to allow the auto focus to do its work and then take teh picture without having much movement. The movement is what i found causes the blurriness. I guess it autofocuses on a spot and then when you move it start refocusing but the picture takes anyway?
BTW my sports and burst mode arent working properly, camera freezes up and have to soft reset. Is the 3mp tweak for these modes to much for the CPU to process

Yes, I hold and press which autofocus then snaps. I understand it something in the picture is moving but every pic? That's not normal. I've been taking pictures with phones for years and never ran into an issue like this. Plus this is suppose to be a really advanced 3.2MP camera. Might have taken a step backwards with this one.

One thing I do is turn the brightness down as far as the camera will let me, this really isn't a brightness control but a shutter speed control, lowering the brightness raises the shutter speed, which allows for faster camera response.
I think the problem is probably mostly that the sensor used in our module has an imaging area of 3.61mm*2.72mm, 4.52mm diagonal.. take a look at the chart here for imaging sensor sizes: http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Glossary/Camera_System/sensor_sizes_01.htm
Notice how the size of our sensor is below the bottom of the chart.. It's often said that a camera with superior MPixel count will lose to a camera with an inferior MPixel count and a superior sensor.. well, our sensor isn't big enough to be able to take really nice 3.2mpix photos.. without ideal conditions. Then there's that whole thing about using a CMOS sensor rather than a CCD sensor..
One thing I think the camera can do better is that it doesn't seem to be operating in progressive-scan mode.. there's noticable tearing all over the place..

VibrantRedGT said:
I've tried all the settings and resolution. I find 640 X 480 to be the clearest. Still pictures are clear. Anything moving in the picture is a blurry mess. Is there a registry hack that improves clearity?
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You can remove the back cover of your phone and take a picture... it does make it better.

pandaboyy said:
You can remove the back cover of your phone and take a picture... it does make it better.
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I think that is somewhat incorrect. For TYNT II and older phones, yes that would work, since it has a plastic cover over the camera. But for the touch pro and the diamond, it should make little to no difference. I've tried it, and I don't see much of a difference, since it's just a hole. Not covered with plastic or anything.

I had the blurry photos problem too. I just tried it and I haven't played with it enough to confirm this fixes the problem (it seems like it reduces the problem but doesn't eliminate it) but try this:
HKLM/Software/HTC/Camera/Captparam/
and set
CaptureTimer = 0 (old=5000)
tell me if you see a difference
Two more things to do - go into the camera advanced settings (in the camera itself) and turn off the click sounds and set the review time to no limit. With those two and the change above I think I have a working camera here...

have you done the "white balance" tweak in your settings? it completely gets rid of that yellow look when you take pics indoors. Also theres rumors saying that turning off the shutter sound increases the camera's quality but I cant prove that

bugsykoosh said:
I had the blurry photos problem too. I just tried it and I haven't played with it enough to confirm this fixes the problem (it seems like it reduces the problem but doesn't eliminate it) but try this:
HKLM/Software/HTC/Camera/Captparam/
and set
CaptureTimer = 0 (old=5000)
tell me if you see a difference
Two more things to do - go into the camera advanced settings (in the camera itself) and turn off the click sounds and set the review time to no limit. With those two and the change above I think I have a working camera here...
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I will try that registry hack.

Here's the 'yellow photo' fix if anyone hasn't seen it yet: http://www.fuzemobility.com/?p=951

I think what most people are looking for with regards to photos is not 100% 9mp quality from our phones. I mean, why can't a fix similar to the Tilt's be made?* All I want is a higher FPS in low light conditions.
*Where you can increase FPS (in low light) by running the camera, turning the phone off, covering the lens, then turning the phone back on...

How to make a sharp pitcure:
EDIT: See new post! This one has been erased to avoid confusion.

I tried those tweaks with no success. Pics aren't as blurry but they are pretty crappy. I'm not saying I want 10MP clearity. I just want this camera to be compariable to the devices I previously owned (Sanyo M1 and Treo 800). Right now it's not. I'm going to exchange this device.

Errrr Sorry I stated the wrong registry key. Actually that one does not matter too much. UPDATED version:
1. Change registry key:
- HKLM\software\htc\camera\captparam\Capkeydelaytime = 10
2. Soft reset to activate the hack.
3. Set the capture key of the camera to hold & press.
To make a photo:
- Aim at subject.
- Hold your finger on the round big enter key and wait until the white "[" "]" go green. This might need a slight "touch".
- Shoot by pressing the round big enter key fully.

The problem you're going to run into is the size of the sensor on cell phones in general. You could have a 10mp cameraphone but if they keep the sensor the same size it is now the pix will continue to be crappy.
I will say that the pictures I've taken with my Fuze have been pretty good, and I have really bad shakes in my hands. The autofocus is a huge step forward imo.

Camera performance

now, before you say it im not expecting a phone's camera to compete with a stand alone camera, however for the money i would like it to take some fairly decent photos. I have a couple of questions
-how fast is the shutter speed, i have read its slow , leading to blurry photos unless kept totally still?
- how awkward is the on screen button, require hard or long press? any differenct to dedicated camera shutter key?
- How Dark will it have to get untill there is too much noise (htc claim improved white balance helps compensate for lack of flash, but i dont see how?)
any opinions from diamond 2 owners would be much appreciated!
thanks

153 views, no comments?
didnt think it that bad a question?

For a phone camera, I think it is pretty good, I have some good shots with it, never tried it in low light yet though

toady2k1 said:
153 views, no comments?
didnt think it that bad a question?
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Don't feel bad. I had a post in the Iolite forum that had 253 views and no responses and it was a very basic question.
I'm getting my D2 in a few days and I will answer your questions as soon as I get er set up.

thanking you!

Some pictures...
Here some pictures inside and outside, both with the Diamond and with the Diamond 2. Both with max. quality, all pictures compressed the same.
Obviously the TD2 camera is better...

i'm interested to know too.....thank for sharing your experience!

WoW! The difference is a LOT!

thanks for those, quality looks pretty good.
How do you find the experience of camera / ie load time, shutter times, on screen button?
thanks

toady2k1 said:
thanks for those, quality looks pretty good.
How do you find the experience of camera / ie load time, shutter times, on screen button?
thanks
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camera loads very fast (within 2 seconds ready to click), takes pictures about three seconds after click (does autofocus first).
on sreen picture button works fine.
a nice feature is that the camera focusses where you touch the screen!
no zoom, no flash.

i'm perfectly happy with the camera
as long as it's not dark it's really good. I took some snaps yesterday outside in london and they've come out really nicely.
Can't complain especially since the main function of the device is to be a phone...the camera is just an added bonus and the fact it's a good one is great.
load time is fast
the ''only'' problem with it is taking self portraits, it's hard to press the function button when you can't see the screen....bar that, it's good

Camera comparison
I did make a comparison of cameras in D2, D1 and HD, it is in czech but I believe it is crystal clear seeing the difference
It is here http://www.ce4you.cz/articles/detail.asp?a=339
The camera in D2 is amazin, great quality and very fast, nothing to tell you more about it

pdagold said:
I did make a comparison of cameras in D2, D1 and HD, it is in czech but I believe it is crystal clear seeing the difference
It is here http://www.ce4you.cz/articles/detail.asp?a=339
The camera in D2 is amazin, great quality and very fast, nothing to tell you more about it
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WOW! Thanks a lot for those. That just made the upgrade very justifiable for me as I use my phone a lot for camera shots.

TD2 is way better than the old Diamond, no question about it. However, it appears that the HD still has better dynamic range. Colours are warmer with TD2 as well

Barff1984 said:
i'm perfectly happy with the camera
as long as it's not dark it's really good. I took some snaps yesterday outside in london and they've come out really nicely.
Can't complain especially since the main function of the device is to be a phone...the camera is just an added bonus and the fact it's a good one is great.
load time is fast
the ''only'' problem with it is taking self portraits, it's hard to press the function button when you can't see the screen....bar that, it's good
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u actually can use the front camera to snap self portraits

It does have zoom!
pietrucci said:
camera loads very fast (within 2 seconds ready to click), takes pictures about three seconds after click (does autofocus first).
on sreen picture button works fine.
a nice feature is that the camera focusses where you touch the screen!
no zoom, no flash.
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Not a true optical zoom, but if you slide your finger up and down the zoom bar, it still works!

pietrucci said:
camera loads very fast (within 2 seconds ready to click), takes pictures about three seconds after click (does autofocus first).
on sreen picture button works fine.
a nice feature is that the camera focusses where you touch the screen!
no zoom, no flash.
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Hi!
You can change some reg settings to get the shutter button to react faster. I have set mine to zero milliseconds delay and the picture is then taken almost instantly.
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\Camera\Captparam]
"CapKeyDelayTime"=dword:00000000
"EnableCapKeyDelay"=dword:00000000
Regards,
PK

shutter speed is depending on light
+ memory speed also takes a small part
low light = fail for diamond2
for example
it cannot take pics like:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/165/429581993_204b4ad7fe.jpg
it would just be all black
http://intlxpatr.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/00entiremparkinglot.jpg
would be quite dark as well
(note these are not from q diamond2, its what i expect from it from using it for so long)

by the way what is burst mode?

Bust mode; takes several pictures quickly then you can select which ones you like and delet the rest.
On another note, one of the reasons the TD2 gets better pictures compared to the D1 & HD is that the TD2's battery cover doesn't have a clear plastic cover for the Camera lens. With the TD1, remove the battery cover and you will get better pictures.