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[REQ] Windows Mobile 5 on XDA IIi

Hi, Does anyone know if there is an update to XDA IIi to Windows Mobile 5.0.
I know there is one for the Himalaya version of XDA.
I have spoken to 02 and they say that it is highly unlikely and would be releasing the XDA II Exec with WM2005. Any info would be gratefully received.
Mod edit: Please be sure to mark requests with [REQ]

Double post deleted.
And there is currently no WM 5 for that device.

Can't the admins just delete these threads and/or ban the thread starters? I mean how many times has this thread been posted, 200, 300?

The thing is that that new people arrives every day.
New people don't know what we know, new people don't/can't consume all the content of this site that fast.
Banning new people won't do xda-dev any good.
Deleting the posts will only give us even more of these post :!:
So the best thing for those that feel irritated by it, just overlook them and move on :wink:

Thread moved from mod. upgrade, unlock to Alpine

WM2005
Apologies to the anybody who is not happy with my post.

Don't worry about them!!!If you don't know,you have the right to ask!!!However,before that you should read some thread about the topic you want to know!!!
Cheers mate

I have been watching posts for two months, and still have not been able to understand "yes", "no" or "maybe soon...."
People talk Blueangel, da da da...
I want clear talk about XDA IIi or Alpine. Don't be jumping on people to review old threads when it is hard enough knowing which model people are actually referring to...
I too am interested in reading if anyone has recently tried a 2005 mod on XDA IIi (Alpine), and what problems they may have encountered.

blueclue7, the WM2005 ROM is not for the Alpine, it is for the Himalaya.
The hardware is totally different between the two devices, it will not work.
There is no WM2005 build for the Alpine yet, maybe never, we don't know yet.
The Alpine has WM2003se, and so far, that is all there is.
WM2003 exists for the Alpine in 2 main versions so far, both have bugs. Most of these bugs would probably be solved by WM2005, but guess what, there isn't a WM2005 build yet.
Oh, by the way, WM2005 for the Himilaya won't work on the Alpine, just as it won't work on the Blue Angel, or the Magician, or any other PPC other than the Himalaya.

hi guys u have just bought an xda2i off ebay. I am regretting it before it has arrived due to the lushness of wm2005 and you guys saying it wont be coming to xda2i. How come its coming to the older xda2 arghhh. I may have to make them program an update at gunpoint.

if you want i can trade you my MDAII? heheh :lol:

WM2005 on XDA IIi
It will be interesting when they release the Universal with WM2005, as it is technically the XDAIIi is similar. So hopefully it will be just a matter of time before someone reverse engineers the Universal Rom for XDAIIi.
Unless of course the 02/I-Mate/Qtek etc do the sensible thing and release an offical upgrade.
I don't see how Microsoft and PDA makers can whine about priacy, when people have spent good money for a new release PDA, only to be told it has the old software and even though it is capable of accepting the WM2005 upgrade....easily, we won't do it cause we don't think our customers are that important, welcome to the money grabbing world of Microsoft and many others.
I hope Microsoft and PDA people read this and learn!!!!

WM2005 on XDA IIi
It will be interesting when they release the Universal with WM2005, as it is technically the XDAIIi is similar. So hopefully it will be just a matter of time before someone reverse engineers the Universal Rom for XDAIIi.
Unless of course the 02/I-Mate/Qtek etc do the sensible thing and release an offical upgrade.
I don't see how Microsoft and PDA makers can whine about priacy, when people have spent good money for a new release PDA, only to be told it has the old software and even though it is capable of accepting the WM2005 upgrade....easily, we won't do it cause we don't think our customers are that important, welcome to the money grabbing world of Microsoft and many others.
I hope Microsoft and PDA people read this and learn!!!!

Hello, there is some good news from our friend at blue angel forum, some one from that forum asked his frien if there's any update WM5 for Blue Angel, and his friend (who is HTC rep) said "YES!!!" :shock:
I read that post three times, ( i wondering if my english is really bad or there will be update for HTC Blue Angle ) Here's the link :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=147760#147760
and for me that is "good" new ( May be a bit, but better than nothing), there is a hope they also make up date for HTC Alpine because it's younger :? . Yah... just hope....
or some one will give the WM5 Himalaya cooker a new HTC Alpine????
I'm sure he'll make that (WM5) work on HTC Alpine... :lol:

should we start a petition?

why not ?

WM5
hey... good idea... :idea:

Great News Again
Hei XDA IIi lovers, i got some ( I think good news ), i post some email to O2 asia asking if they will release WM5 for IIi and their answer :
"There are no firm plans as yet to offer this particular upgrade to customers of existing Xda devices"
But.... don't stop there ......., after that they wrote :
"but we are studying market demand for this platform, and we will certainly consider offering it in the future if there are sufficient requests for it from our customers" :shock:
Do you all get it???
they just need to know if there's sufficient request...
I guest i've start my petition.... How about we all start to petition right now.... :lol: :lol:

hehe i wont hold my breath but i might aswell put my name down for the petition.
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Danny-B-
O2 (UK) customer
Gimmie WM2005 NOW !!!
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Okay, lets finish this thread now, Here are the FACTS !!
WM2005 IS NOT RELEASED YET
The Himalaya build is a internal release by microsoft which was leaked to the world and then modified by our good friends buzz Lightyear and co. This build was specially written for microsoft employees on the wm2005 program as the majority of them have himalaya devices.
This new OS will be released officially on the next generation of XDA devices which will probably incorparate 3G technology as well.
So NO The current WM2005 builds that are doing the rounds WILL NEVER be available for other platforms as the hard ware is completely different from platform to platform.
All you can hope for is that
a) It is officially released for your device then modified like Wm2003SE for Himalaya.
b) Some one will swap you there XDA II device.
c) Get a copy of Wisbar Advance and skin it to look like Magento (This actually looks more polished than the actual WM2005 in my opinion.
I personally have a M1000, Orange version of the XDA II which i upgraded to WM2003SE after 3 days of it arriving, then upgraded to WM2005 1.60b which i am now running..... it's the best phone/thing i've ever had.....plus i got it cheap thanks to a price mistake on Orange's website

CDMA Harrier Upgrade, is possible ?

Hello pals,
I have a Audiovox Harrier PPC 6600 with Wm2003SE,
is possible to upgrade the OS to WM5 or WM6 ?
Please, im desperate to upgrade this.
Sorry if someone has answered this question in another thread.
Best Regards.
Anderson

y2h4ck said:
I have a Audiovox Harrier PPC 6600 with Wm2003SE,
is possible to upgrade the OS to WM5 or WM6 ?
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In a word, no.
Sorry if someone has answered this question in another thread.
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Not to be an arse about it, but it's obvious that you did no research on this question before posting. A search of the forums would have shown you the thread located here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=244441&highlight=CDMA+Harrier+wm5
You might get more results if you at least look first. If you have looked, you didn't state it and your post sounded like you couldn't be arsed enough to look.
Again, I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm trying to make a point that many people seem to have problems grasping.

I've searched the forums many times, and I would still post the question from time to time if others didn't just to be sure someone didn't just discover something.
I personally would like to know if there is a Harrier CDMA upgrade to WM5 or WM6 that forgoes the the radio, or if someone has tried to use the radio "drivers" out of a 6700 (Apache) to any degree of sucess. In my research, I've seen the idea floated, but I'm not sure how deeply the situation has been probed.
I do appreciate the work Helmi and others do, and I simply want to know if there is any update on this front.

Guys, does a harrier get completely bricked if it is upgraded to WM6 or does it just lose its radio/phone functionality? The reason I ask is I am a Kaiser user but I have my old Verizon Harrier that I'd like to make use of its gorgeous 3.5" display for movies while in the car (very safe, I know).
I'm on ATT now, so no more Verizon. I'd be using this device strictly for its PDA functionality.
I realize I can just use TCPMP on the wm2003 OS as is, but i figured there were some chefs that had done some pretty sweet roms for the device. Heck, I don't even need WM6, I'll just take the best Rom, regardless of which winmo version.
I know in the kaiser forums, duttythroy is pretty much the heavyweight chef. Is there a similar heavyweight rom or chef that everyone tends to lean towards on the harrier/BA? I spent about 15 mins doing some searches and reading Wikis but honestly couldn't find any info on harrier cooked roms.

It is now possible that Harrier could be hacked.
Unfortunately, the HTC CDMA hacking community has moved on. The HTC encryption on the ROM wasn't broken until after Harrier was long discontinued.
And, with new devices sporting gpsOne and EV-DO Rev A, there are now clear technical advantages to modern devices.
Ideally, HTC would have done the right thing and kept supporting older models. But, you already know that...

I don't care about the radio on the Harrier
As the previous poster mentions...Can I slap a Blue Angel ROM on my Harrier if I don't care about the radio? It would be a great 2nd device if I could get WM5 or WM6 on it. Again...I don't need (nor want) the CDMA radio on it to work.
Thanks.

no sir, tried myself, almost bricked phone DO NOT DO IT.

To All who want the Wing Mobile 6 forum

There is one important thing I want you all to understand when voting on that post. I've already written it there but I'm not sure if people are actually reading the post before voting...
The Herald and the Wing are the SAME device with different keyboards.
If you divide the forums a few issues will arise.
1. Cooks like me, who make ROMs and release both Herald and Wing versions will have to double post.
2. Cooks will not notice new innovations that were created by one person or another unless they read BOTH forums.
3. People will start to only visit one forum and they might miss reading something that may give them ideas. Ideas lead to innovation. It's the same device, so whatever benefits one, benefits us all.
I'll be releasing my EasyBakeOven... Originally it was a Wing kitchen only... if it wasn't for the fact that the Herald forum was one and the same, I would have never thought of making it Herald compatible... Things like this WILL happen.
The reason why I never got confused about the Herald/Wing issue was because I had had a Wizard before and I knew that the title of the forum would be under HTC's code name and I knew that the keyboard might not quite match from one device to another (as Tmobile LOOOOVES adding "tzone" buttons to their devices.)
I say we rename the forum to herald/wing or at least make a sticky saying "THIS IS THE WING FORUM" and telling people about the keyboard difference and instead of dividing the forums, pulling together all our resources and build newer innovations for the Herald device.

it shouldn´t be a new forum. jsut a subforum like "G4" for wizard. they also ahve to read both forums. BUT important things belonging to one device Herald OR wing can be found easier....
and as the wish of 75% of the users IS to create a wing SUBforum....
BUT "flar" didn´t answer till now..

That's why I made this post, to educate those people that might have thought it through. They're thinking they're two completely different devices or don't realize that it will slow down the cooking progress.

ivanmmj said:
That's why I made this post, to educate those people that might have thought it through. They're thinking they're two completely different devices or don't realize that it will slow down the cooking progress.
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???? slow down cooking process ????
why? it only kills some ONLY wing-related threads to another subforum....
of course the devices ARE the same.
BUT wizard is also one device BUT G4 has some spezialities.... and therefor another subforum...

papamopps said:
???? slow down cooking process ????
why? it only kills some ONLY wing-related threads to another subforum....
of course the devices ARE the same.
BUT wizard is also one device BUT G4 has some spezialities.... and therefor another subforum...
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second that

I still say just rename this forum to include wing in the title or in the description and call it a day.

papamopps said:
???? slow down cooking process ????
why? it only kills some ONLY wing-related threads to another subforum....
of course the devices ARE the same.
BUT wizard is also one device BUT G4 has some spezialities.... and therefor another subforum...
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That's going to kill things like my kitchen and my ROM and ttran's rom into another forum altogether. If I had never kept up with the Herald side of things, I would not have adapted them to work on herald devices.
I never liked the G4 separation, either. But most G3 roms were full fledge ROMs that required CID unlocked devices. G4 roms have different SPL's and other things and couldn't be CID unlocked without paying for it. In their case, their ROMs were a lot less compatible.

ivanmmj said:
That's going to kill things like my kitchen and my ROM and ttran's rom into another forum altogether. If I had never kept up with the Herald side of things, I would not have adapted them to work on herald devices.
I never liked the G4 separation, either. But most G3 roms were full fledge ROMs that required CID unlocked devices. G4 roms have different SPL's and other things and couldn't be CID unlocked without paying for it. In their case, their ROMs were a lot less compatible.
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what is the problem to cook a rom for wing - post it there and mention that it can also been used for herald.
but with the known for noobs that it was firstly cooked for wing!! based on a wing rom !
of course you can use the roms on both deices
BUT some are based on wing roms and some on herald....
that´s all.
if this would kill your roms. sad.
but for noobs better to understand why they have issus with a wingrom on herald and a heraldrom on wing...
for me i stop discussing because at least it is the admin dicision...

I must say that ivanmmj's opinion makes absolutely sense to me. I had the same thoughts.
The Herald/Wing community is already so small that a further separation will shrink the overall effectiveness.
Unlike the differences between a G4/G3 version of other HTC devices the Wing and Herald only differ in the hardware keyboard and simply the casing.
Since Duprade made the effort to overcome this barrier we shouldn't create a new one a devide the Herald and Wing users.
We are already a small group.

My Understanding is that you can Not use a Wing ROM on the Herald as you can Not use a Herald ROM on the Wing. Keyboard and other issues. So you have to separate them anyway.
Am I Wrong?

papamopps said:
what is the problem to cook a rom for wing - post it there and mention that it can also been used for herald.
but with the known for noobs that it was firstly cooked for wing!! based on a wing rom !
of course you can use the roms on both deices
BUT some are based on wing roms and some on herald....
that´s all.
if this would kill your roms. sad.
but for noobs better to understand why they have issus with a wingrom on herald and a heraldrom on wing...
for me i stop discussing because at least it is the admin dicision...
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The ROMs we have here are based out of ports of other ROMs, too. The only real problem with using the wrong ROM is the keyboard. Unfortunately, it's the new users unwillingness to read that causes the problems that they get. I'm just worried because, like zcink mentioned, we're small enough as it is.
I'm not saying that I will stop cooking, but that I might have not have done it from the begining if it had been a divided forum from the begining.
It IS the Admin's choice, but unless he/she is given a good choice to choose from, he/she will just go with what they see first that people might want. I know that if I were the admin of a site THIS large, I wouldn't have the time to read every post regarding every issue.
Either way, I just want to make sure that people who choose, choose after knowing the full picture.

zcink said:
My Understanding is that you can Not use a Wing ROM on the Herald as you can Not use a Herald ROM on the Wing. Keyboard and other issues. So you have to separate them anyway.
Am I Wrong?
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You can use it vice versa

keep it how it is just rename it to herald/wing

zcink said:
My Understanding is that you can Not use a Wing ROM on the Herald as you can Not use a Herald ROM on the Wing. Keyboard and other issues. So you have to separate them anyway.
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You are wrong
The main difference was the keyboard mismatch which has been solved
KEYBOARD FIX for WING / HERALD & ROM hardware keyboard (keybddr.dll) mismatch
That was pretty much the only difference that was a problem.
I think separating them is ridiculous. I agree 100% with IVAN, Simplicity05, and GAMBIT. I definitely say let's add the name to the forum, and we'll make a sticky for n00bs and that can include all the info they need to know...
but the herald/wing is a SMALL community so segregating it will just make it worse in my honest opinion.
So now instead of dealing with people posting stuff in the wrong herald subforum as we stand now .... we're going to have to start dealing with:
"this post should go into the Wing forum"
"this post should go into the herald forum"
"this post should go into the Wing forum"
"this post should go into the herald forum"
"this post should go into the Wing forum"
"this post should go into the herald forum"
"this post should go into the Wing forum"
"this post should go into the herald forum"
"this post should go into the Wing forum"
"this post should go into the herald forum"

Personally, I've been installing Herald roms on my wing since day 1, using the aserg method, but now with the hardSPL we really shouldn't have any issues going forward. I think a Wing forum just leaves things to be missed. If you only check the wing one, you might miss out on a great rom (Kudos to itje!!!)

I say we rename the forum to herald/wing or at least make a sticky saying "THIS IS THE WING FORUM" and telling people about the keyboard difference and instead of dividing the forums, pulling together all our resources and build newer innovations for the Herald device.[/QUOTE
I came here to post my thoughts , I definitely agree on renaming the forum, a sub forum would definitely be confusing to many people and cause double posting. I will go vote now.

yea i changed my vote from new sub form to my suggestion of renaming the forms we have now, and making up a comrehencive post, which i did and got my frist sticky here at xda.
i think between the rename and the post i put together. and the help of all the great minds on this form with helping me add all the good data we can find - we will make it that much easier for us and noobs like myself to navigate

OK. Let´s stay a big family and rename it.
I´ll report "flar"... the admin.

(singing) "We are family" .......... :-D

itje said:
(singing) "We are family" .......... :-D
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(clapping to itje's beat)

is my t-mobile wing a s730 or an Atlas?

I have an older version of touch-it i got off the wings thread, after like 20 hours of reading, and have used it ever since. Now i am back to reading countless threads, and come to the realization i have a htc atlas*t-mobile wing, and wonder if i am in the right categories for software and things. I have been happy with the rom i have installed off this category except wonder if my phone has more potential because i might not of been reading the right category for my specific phone. I have never had video working on my phone is one thing i wonder if others have. I would love any help. I do have some questions if possible, i have not just jumped in and not try understanding myself.
if anyone is willing to point me in the right direction or have a conversation on the purple T-mobile Wing, *HTC Atlas or whatever that would be sweet!

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=756
is my specific phone. does that mean there is limitations to which .roms I am using? I am ready to upgrade the os on it... its HTC 4350 Atlas - Aka T-mobile Wing...
installed coreplayer to no avail as well... thanks for reading

I dont remember what the T-mobile wing is called, but its not the S730.
Since this is the wrong forum for the T-Mobile Wing we cant offer too much help there is a forum on XDA for your phone, but I am on my phone and digging that up right now would take a while
If you got the rom for your phone off of this forum it is possible aspects of it are running less than your phone could run them at but I would only see that being a driver issue instead of Rom issue.

[OFF TOPIC] using Kaiser flashing process for Wizard

Hi,
I have an old Cingular 8125 lying around the house not being use and I want to flash it with Android. There is no instruction anywhere in Wizard forum.
Since Wizard and Kaiser seem to be running on the similar bases (WM6.x) Can I use the same process with the SPL/radio and ROM from Kaiser to flash it on my 8125? Or, is that a NO! NO!? Just wondering...

No. HTC Wizard has a completely different hardware. If you flash the kernel intended for the Kaiser (assuming that it is possible) you get brick.
However, there is a thread on xda for a Wizard. Check this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=403015 or google for project named Wing-Linux.

Thank you for responding, guess I won't be doing it this way then.
I'll see what I can do with Wing-Linux.

Off topic indeed, but you found another Wizard lover!
Contact Ham3r - he has done some pretty serious experimentation with Wing Linux. I think that the project is totally dead now. Ham3r's WM ROMs are the best English ROMs for that device.
I keep two Wizards around. The hardware is quite obsolete by now, but it rocked for 2005.

Yes it is.
Thanks n2rjt. Yea, I noticed that myself. And too scare to use it. There was no action on Wing-Linux at all.