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hi all,
I read the review of the kaiser and wondered whether the better graphics really make a difference.
Can anyone explain the difference to me?
Thanks
Sam.
The difference is that they will be better (!)
So for instance, if you have a Hermes you'll almost certainly have experienced slowdown while watching videos or playing games which will (hopefully) be a thing of the past with the Kaiser.
Even if it still isn't perfect (and what is?) it should at least be a significant improvement...
kaiserchief said:
The difference is that they will be better (!)
So for instance, if you have a Hermes you'll almost certainly have experienced slowdown while watching videos or playing games which will (hopefully) be a thing of the past with the Kaiser.
Even if it still isn't perfect (and what is?) it should at least be a significant improvement...
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Yeah I thought the Hermes had bad video rendering. I was all like, "Sweet a 400mhz proc now I can watch video flawlessly". Not so. I think my Wizard did video slightly better then the Hermes. OC'd that is...
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Yeah I thought the Hermes had bad video rendering. I was all like, "Sweet a 400mhz proc now I can watch video flawlessly". Not so. I think my Wizard did video slightly better then the Hermes. OC'd that is...
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well hey take a look at these benchmark results.
it shows HUGE improvement. 6 times better graphics. that includes gaming and video.
http://www.modaco.com/index.php?showtopic=256117&st=20
the graphics improvements only help if the app was written with the qualcomm gpu in mind...all the older apps run slow gfx wise unless they use GDI
I really don't watch much video, but I HATE my Hermes taking FOREVER to switch from portrait to landscape (and back, especially when I miss calls because my pouch magnet makes it switch, then it has to switch back, and then load the phone app, then the call is gone!!). Watching the online video review the switching seemed faster, but far from instananeous.
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I really don't watch much video, but I HATE my Hermes taking FOREVER to switch from portrait to landscape (and back, especially when I miss calls because my pouch magnet makes it switch, then it has to switch back, and then load the phone app, then the call is gone!!). Watching the online video review the switching seemed faster, but far from instananeous.
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well im happy to quote from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1394910&posted=1#post1394910
that it takes only .5 seconds for the keyboard screen rotation.
i will know if the graphics are better.
I put my text in the smallest view it has,
and when its changed to landscape mode,
we will see if the graphics are better,
and not that it really matters to me.
As far as I have looked on benchmarks, the Qualcomm CPU @ 400MHz is some 10-20% better than a Samsung @400 MHz (TyTN), Which in turn is arond 20% better than a Xscale 270 @ 400MHz... That means that the Qualcomm can be considered to have performace close to 600MHz of a XScale CPU... At least as far as the benchmarks available from several sources tell us. Now, if it really has that 128MB of RAM, then it will be really really interesting, and the first thing XDA folks would do, of course, would be to pump up the page pool to try to eke out a little bit of extra performance...
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As far as I have looked on benchmarks, the Qualcomm CPU @ 400MHz is some 10-20% better than a Samsung @400 MHz (TyTN), Which in turn is arond 20% better than a Xscale 270 @ 400MHz... That means that the Qualcomm can be considered to have performace close to 600MHz of a XScale CPU... At least as far as the benchmarks available from several sources tell us. Now, if it really has that 128MB of RAM, then it will be really really interesting, and the first thing XDA folks would do, of course, would be to pump up the page pool to try to eke out a little bit of extra performance...
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you sure its only 10-20%? i mean they were saying it's 6 times better than the 8525's graphical index.
Performance comparison to 8525
I was wondering if anyone knew if the OS played a part in the 8525 vs 8925 comparison at http://www.modaco.com/HTC-Kaiser-hands-review-t256117.html&st=20?
Could be a factor for some of the performance boost?
I am interested in the extra memory and the built in GPS. (I hope the battery will last with all the bells and whistles!)
Mark
misfitflt said:
I was wondering if anyone knew if the OS played a part in the 8525 vs 8925 comparison at http://www.modaco.com/HTC-Kaiser-hands-review-t256117.html&st=20?
Could be a factor for some of the performance boost?
I am interested in the extra memory and the built in GPS. (I hope the battery will last with all the bells and whistles!)
Mark
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hey i started that thread on modaco!
yes the OS plays a small part in performance boost, wm6 is generally faster than wm5, but the main thing is the Qualcomm chip boosting the peformance.
Which software to use?
In my humble opinion: None......for the Qualcomm there is no software availalble to overclock it....but in time it will come...
try this out guys. application specific.
All this seems to be doing is to change the priority of the threads running certain applications. It does not overclock the CPU like OMAP did.
anyway does this work?
or its like the sktools optimization?
Any progress out there on a safe program to overclock a Kaiser? WM6 is definitely faster than WM5, but alot slower than my old Palm OS Treos.
thanks,
d
I'm also waiting for a piece of software that will allow me to overclock my Kaiser, but still there is no progress at all. As they say - patience is gods' virtue (-:
has anyone tried htc performance?
I believe I read helmi had a hand in creating it???I know this has been used on a few different devices and is very low on batti draw but no one quite knows how it works.Really makes a difference on my device but Im not sure if it would be safe to use or even work with the proccessor on the kaiser.
With the battery life as borderline as it is with the Tilt/Kaiser, I'd shy away from overclocking. You'll get lightening fast speed for the 5 minutes of battery life
ya but...
ya but... with the video drivers we're missing and an overclocker the phone would be lightning quick.Also I was reading that the reality is with the right programmers the next gen phones kaiser , dream and a few others a playstation 2 emulator on the ppc would be possible. imagine being on a plane cut off 3g and phone functions and play ps2 games on your phone. plus with extended and/or extra batteries that are now becoming available...
I do not see the logic. The Kaiser is so fast and has so much memory, why would you risk bricking or prematurely damaging your phone? Just my opinion
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I do not see the logic. The Kaiser is so fast and has so much memory, why would you risk bricking or prematurely damaging your phone? Just my opinion
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Glad to learn that my Kaiser is so fast ! I guess you don't use games or heavy graphical applications, because then you would see that the Kaiser is not faster than an HTC Prophet wich is overclocked at only 240 Mhz ! (380 Mhz for the Kaiser...). Also if you want to play VGA videos, the speed is not good enough (wich it should be if you look at the Qualcomm processors capabilities, but as everyone know here, HTC did'nt make the drivers for that).
I am very disapointed by the fact the Kaiser is not a VGA device, but even more disapointed when you see that it is not even faster than a VGA device !!! So at this low speed, where is the interest of having a QVGA screen compared to VGA ?
Definitly, an overclocker tool may help me to consider keeping my Kaiser (even if I think that at this device price, it's a shame to be obliged to overclock it to have a decent speed ...).
The prophet is slower in my opinion, I don't own a Kaiser, but whenever i use it everything happens faster than on my overclocked WM6 Prophet (overclocked to 286MHz normally).
How does the speed compare to the TyTN, mine should be here on Wednesday... I can't wait!
someone found a tool that really works ?
WOW! and I thought we had enough problem threads on here with overheat and battery deaths!
Look out for many more!!
I upgraded to kaiser from a Tmob Wing, for that I played with an overclocker called Fl0wt. Which did seem to work BUT the battery becames a flamethrower of heat and the battery life was sucked away in no time. this wasnt a big clock speed step either. The parts just arnt suited for the additional heat it seems. plus it felt dangerously hot...like "hit the dirt its going to blow" hot. not worth the risk in my oppinion...but hey thats just me
Can you post a link to "Fl0wt" ive searched far and wide and found nothing. Please post a link.
Cheers !
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Glad to learn that my Kaiser is so fast ! I guess you don't use games or heavy graphical applications, because then you would see that the Kaiser is not faster than an HTC Prophet wich is overclocked at only 240 Mhz ! (380 Mhz for the Kaiser...). Also if you want to play VGA videos, the speed is not good enough (wich it should be if you look at the Qualcomm processors capabilities, but as everyone know here, HTC did'nt make the drivers for that).
I am very disapointed by the fact the Kaiser is not a VGA device, but even more disapointed when you see that it is not even faster than a VGA device !!! So at this low speed, where is the interest of having a QVGA screen compared to VGA ?
Definitly, an overclocker tool may help me to consider keeping my Kaiser (even if I think that at this device price, it's a shame to be obliged to overclock it to have a decent speed ...).
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I beg to differ.
I play LOTS n LOTS of games on my TyTN II AND I watch full feature movies and I use Outlook AND I use GPS AND I use internet (Netfront v3.5) and I have yet to find a speed problem as mentioned in this here cheese and whine forum.
Some of the games I have on my TyTN II are:
Cybersaurus
Warfare Inc
Machines at War
Bejeweled 2
Zuma
Ackys XP Breakout
Shattered Worlds
Call of Duty 2
Darxide EMP
gfDoom
Fast Future Race
G-Prime Extreme
Interstellar Flames
Skyforce Reloaded
Quake & Quake 2
Sinbad Return of the Legends
Flux Challenge
Is this a good enough sample for you?
THE KAISER NEVER CLAIMED TO BE A VGA DEVICE. IT IS STRICTLY QVGA....NOW GET OVER IT!!!
I am starting to believe that AT&T roms are fraught with problems.
I don't have that problem here in SA.
My TyTN 2 is MUCH faster than my iMate KJam....MUCH MUCH FASTER!!!
So I don't know what you are referring to.
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I beg to differ.
I play LOTS n LOTS of games on my TyTN II AND I watch full feature movies and I use Outlook AND I use GPS AND I use internet (Netfront v3.5) and I have yet to find a speed problem as mentioned in this here cheese and whine forum.
Some of the games I have on my TyTN II are:
Call of Duty 2
Is this a good enough sample for you?
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I have Call of Duty 2 too, and it's really slow on the Kaiser compared to other devices. You should see how it runs on other PPC's...
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I am starting to believe that AT&T roms are fraught with problems.
I don't have that problem here in SA.
My TyTN 2 is MUCH faster than my iMate KJam....MUCH MUCH FASTER!!!
So I don't know what you are referring to.
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I have an T-mobile Kaiser and it's definitely not much faster than a Magician. The difference is really, really small.
And we're referring to the fact that there are no drivers for the ATI Imageon hardware. Thanks to this, everything needs to be rendered by the CPU.
Hopefully someone who has both the Hermes and Kaiser can tell me which is the better pda to use emulators with. I currently have the Touch which I am more than happy with except for the slower cpu and lack of hardware keys. I mainly use the emulators for the Snes, GBA and Atari ST.
As I spend 75% of the time trying to play emulator games on the Touch the speed of emulation and lack of hardware keys is a real problem sometimes. I had my heart set on getting a Kaiser but have recently come across threads in the Kaiser forum regarding problems with the Video/CPU drivers for the Kaiser. I assume this would affect the speed of emulation.
So I was not sure whether to look at getting a Hermes instead as it is a lot cheaper and possibly more compatible with Emulators. Do you think it would be much faster than the ELF and worth getting?
What would you advise me to do?
Thanks, meddle
I'd say for your purposes, get an Hermes.
The question is, what is more important to you, a communication device or an emulator
Emulation is probably No 1 for me. Other than that MP3, Video Playback and a communicator in last place. I have a GPS for the car already so the advantages of the Kaiser don't really come into question unless someone thinks it out performs the Hermes for emulator/games.
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Emulation is probably No 1 for me. Other than that MP3, Video Playback and a communicator in last place. I have a GPS for the car already so the advantages of the Kaiser don't really come into question unless someone thinks it out performs the Hermes for emulator/games.
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I only play Emulation when I have nothing to do with my phone.
Im using eGens, eMorphGear, and eSNES as Emulation. The speed on my AT&T Tilt is great on loading time and play. I would say you may want to look at 400MHz and above speed for your needs.
For gaming I like T-Mobile MDA better because of hardware keys. Its much easier to fire or to jump. They put all the keys together on Tilt, so makes very hard to do move and shoot at same time. I end up using keyboard on the screen to shoot and to jump.
IMO, MDA is better for gaming but the speed is at 200MHz unless you OC to 260MHz (stable).
After all, what you are looking at is hardware buttons & CPU speed for your games.
get a Dell Axim x51v -it's the best device for emulation
The only problem with the Hermes and games is that it has no diagonal movements on the joypad.
Still speaking of the x51v (sorry for my being pretty terse in my last post - I've sent it from my Universal and didn't want to thumbtype much), you may want to check out http://wiki.xda-developers.com/inde...s - for both games and productivity platforms to see how the x51v runs emulators.
If I were you, I'd stay away from all 2.8" HTC models because of the touch screen bug - you'll find it VERY irritating with emulators with on-screen controls / buttons (particularly if you press and hold them).
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If I were you, I'd stay away from all 2.8" HTC models because of the touch screen bug - you'll find it VERY irritating with emulators with on-screen controls / buttons (particularly if you press and hold them).
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Excuse me, could you explain what this bug on htc phones is about? Never heard about a bug with on screen buttons. I tried to search but couldn't find anything. Thank you.
DaveLeh said:
Excuse me, could you explain what this bug on htc phones is about? Never heard about a bug with on screen buttons. I tried to search but couldn't find anything. Thank you.
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see for example the "Touchscreen CPU usage issues" section at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=First reports on the, now, GPS-enabled HTC Trinity
(the same is true of the Kaiser)
Menneisyys said:
see for example the "Touchscreen CPU usage issues" section at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=First reports on the, now, GPS-enabled HTC Trinity
(the same is true of the Kaiser)
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Thank you very much. That is indeed a grave matter and it is much more grave that HTC seems to do nothing against "bugs?", when you look at how old this problem is. Unbelievable that it is still there on the brand new Kaiser.
It seems that HTC is not very friendly towards customer reports (another example would be the missing 3d support on the new Qualcomm devices).
But maybe you can avoid this problem by using hardware buttons where possible.
One thing I didn't realize is that the Hermes has only a 5 way directional D-pad so there is no way to do diagonal moves.
Funny thing is my Touch can do diagonal moves play Bubble Bobble for instance but I can only map "left, right, up, down" so I assume it can tell that both Up and Left are being pressed at the same time.
Does the Kaiser have the same issue with the D-pad.
I would keep the Kaier if I were you. Your gonna be sorry when you have a hermes when the kaiser finally get's 3D drivers and an Overclock Utility. Also the hermes only has a 5-directional pad, while the kaiser can support all 9 directions =).
get the kaiser, there are many many games out there it will still play, including real ppc games, and ports for games, see my youtube video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBQco1NoE7Y
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Thank you very much. That is indeed a grave matter and it is much more grave that HTC seems to do nothing against "bugs?", when you look at how old this problem is. Unbelievable that it is still there on the brand new Kaiser.
It seems that HTC is not very friendly towards customer reports (another example would be the missing 3d support on the new Qualcomm devices).
But maybe you can avoid this problem by using hardware buttons where possible.
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You can, but on-screen tap areas (particularly with autofire - then, they require constant tap=and-holding) are REALLY great with MANY emulators.
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I would keep the Kaier if I were you. Your gonna be sorry when you have a hermes when the kaiser finally get's 3D drivers
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... in what timeframe?
IMHO, having a cheap, non-gaming/emulation-oriented converged unit (not necessarily th Hermes) & getting a cheapo x51v is a better idea for the time being if he does need emulation.
I like the look of the X51v as a powerful emulation device, videos on Youtube really show it off, but the lack of a Phone means I would have to carry 2 devices around and it also looks a little on the large side.
I was looking at swapping my Touch for a Kaiser but after reading thread after thread about the poor Video/Game playback I have really been put off. If there was any encouraging news from HTC about driver support I may have given it a go but I don't want to swap my Touch when it can actually out perform the Kaiser in this respect. Although their is a Poll a lot of people on the forum don't seem to hold out much hope for this being sorted by HTC which is a terrible shame.
The Hermes looked a good second choice but after reading threads in the forum about problems with the D-pad (only 5 way - non diagonal) and the inability to correctly distinguish more than 2 button presses at the same time which can hamper action games I have again been put off. Other than the problems with the D-pad and keys this seemed to tick all the boxes for me.
Menneisyys you are the expert regarding Emulators here and thank you for your recomendation on the X51v. But could you recomend another device that is converged and would offer more power/hardware keys than the Touch.
Thanks for everyone's advice also!
pda for emulation? come on man, nothing's gonna be as good as a psp with a hacked firmware.
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... in what timeframe?
IMHO, having a cheap, non-gaming/emulation-oriented converged unit (not necessarily th Hermes) & getting a cheapo x51v is a better idea for the time being if he does need emulation.
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well i have a feeling we wont be waiting TOO long, but who knows.
I've just posted a review of ASUS P552W. It felt to me that I should do a post of how badly the Qualcomm 528MHz processor performs against the Marvell Tavor 624MHz CPU which is there in the ASUS P552W.
True, you can easily ignore the graphic aspects as SPB Benchmark is not optimized for the Diamond's GPU, but you cannot ignore the results which measure the processing power. Here are some screenshots that I used in the review
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I cannot believe the Diamond performed so badly in the benchmark test
Read the full review of ASUS P552W
I don't understand why people seem so proud when they think their phones suck. This is not the first thread I've seen about it, and it won't be the last, I'm sure.
So, your Diamond sucks? Then sell it and go to another forum about your beloved soap phone.
And by the way, the benchmarks you posted have nothing to do with the processor. File system speed <> processor speed.
i hate to see people flame devices.. well all the facts were cleared out for a long time ago and to constant bring it forward is too much.. well developers works with what they have and not with what they don't so if an application works better on a asus than a diamond it doesn't mean the following appp can't be tweaked to run as great as in the asus.. well i have a touch pro and i guess the specs are about similar to diamond and i agree with Smaniac.. the benchmark do not have anything to do with the processor...
I'm not saying that I hate my Diamond. It is my primary phone and I love it. BTW, processor is involved in a lot of things if you observed the table correctly. Hardware wise, there is not much difference between the two devices. Both come with 256MB ROM and use 128MB RAM with the P552W being just 100MHz ahead.
May be it is how one company codes the drivers properly and one company does not
And no where did I say that I hate the Diamond. I said how badly Qualcomm processors compare to Marvell processors
I agree with you guys.
Entering the site and all I see is: "diamond problems", "problems", "slow","bad preformance" etc....
Personally the Diamond is the best phone out there (HD to big even though ill get one heheh)
Dont forget this device is fairly new not even a year old.
But I also have to admit, that with the specs it has it should preform much better.
Greets.
well we all or many have seen the possibilities of overclocking older htc devices so if someone figgures out of it guess the possibilities are huge.. a friend of mine have an old htc touch gsm version.. i managed to overclock it from 200 mhz to a little above 300 mhz.. well yeah it might drain once battery alot but if you underclock it will make your battery last very veeery long.. we underclocked it to 100 mhz and got around 30 minutes to 1 hour more battery.. well that was a long time ago.. i hope there are similar possibilities for the htc devices which are hot right now sooner or later.. hopefully soon lol..
Interesting review. Very good apart from some of the spelling!
I agree with some of the others - it looks like the Diamond's main trouble is the file system. does anyone know why the file system is so slow?
As for the graphics benchmark, the Diamond is VGA so it's doing at least 4 times more work, right?
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I agree with some of the others - it looks like the Diamond's main trouble is the file system. does anyone know why the file system is so slow?
As for the graphics benchmark, the Diamond is VGA so it's doing at least 4 times more work, right?
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Second: I think you are right!
First: Maybe because of your second assumption? Don't you think that all other things are afflicted if more power is needed for the graphics?
If these assumptions are correct the comparison of this review is absolutely meaningless! And this applies to most (if not all) comparisons I've read here in the last time!
In addition: The used benchmark software:
- is 3 years old
- doesn't officially support WM 6.0 or 6.1
- is not optimised for VGA
Well, cut the poster some slack. His opinion is based on the benchmark. And when looking at that I can imagine someone is surprised about the huge difference. How the difference feels on the device is something else. But he has a point imho.
Sure with all the complaining here I can also understand why people act a bit hostile to posts like this.
But let's just face it, the Diamond is not really fast. When I compare the speed of, for example, tomtom on my Diamond and the tomtom speed on my yeeeeaaaars older Qtek s100 it's quite a difference.
From the Touch to Polaris and now the Diamond I have always been a bit dissapointed by the speeds. But I wouldnt want to trade my Diamond in for a s100 for sure! And I don't think my Diamond sucks at all. But the speed is.. well.. only bareable.
And now we see benchmarks against the Asus phone, and the feeling of slow speeds on the Diamond does seem to reflect in that as well. VGA or not, the Diamond is just slow. And I don't think it will be that much faster anytime soon.
The Asus is a phone I'm really looking into and want to give a test run soon. And perhaps it could replace my Diamond and perhaps it cannot. Who knows.
I don't feel the least offended or attacked by the OP. And he doesn't say the Diamond sucks at all. He was just amazed by the difference in speed in the benchmark. And so am I
OK guys...I will tell you something... diamond is good PPC but should be so much faster with marvell processor in many ways like GPS navigation, watching videos (not only in purchase must coreplayer with QTV) etc,...so why you just confess it...we are all victims of HTCs finnancial policy and sadly I have to say not only HTCs...
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Interesting review. Very good apart from some of the spelling!
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What spelling?
kdskamal said:
I've just posted a review of ASUS P552W. It felt to me that I should do a post of how badly the Qualcomm 528MHz processor performs against the Marvell Tavor 624MHz CPU which is there in the ASUS P552W.
True, you can easily ignore the graphic aspects as SPB Benchmark is not optimized for the Diamond's GPU, but you cannot ignore the results which measure the processing power. Here are some screenshots that I used in the review
and here goes the screenshot for graphics
I cannot believe the Diamond performed so badly in the benchmark test
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the only things being compared here are file system and graphics processing. If you mean processor as CPU,then this has nothing to do with CPU.
Hello
I was thinking that even if the CPU was great, if the file system is slow the Diamond CPU will be waiting for data... and thus be slow.
So even if the benchmark seems to show File System benchmark (I'm not a benchmark specialist) I guess it must have somehow some impacts on the global speed of the Diamond.
I guess that even if we use a Marvell/QualComm/Coca-Cola CPU inside a smartphone if other hardware inside the device are bull****, then everything will be slow. This is exactly the same that in a full size computer. The device component quality should be homogeneous.
Maybe the flash component used for the memory in the Diamond are piece of crap, this could explain some strange behavior on the phone (like the enormous time needed to delete files in the Opera cache for instance) which does not require a lot of CPU obviously ans should be fast.
One last thing: Merry Diamond Christmas
So the benchmarks are poo, device still works ok for me so they mean nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Is it the best phone in the world??? Proably not but for the money and what I need it for, its just dandy.
As it is my 7the I just can say they get better all the time
The Diamond is my 7th windows device and when I bought it I was not ready with my Trinity P3600, just cause the 9100 of my daughter bricket was the reason why I bought it, but I must say that I never had the feeling of wanting my P3600 back, the only thing I miss is a integrated keyboard, my own fault cause I couldn't wait for the pro, but as far as performance its THE best phone I owned untill now, ofcourse there are a few things which I think could be better and I believe if HTC continue the way they do then they maid grow bigger then Nokia in the future, and ofcourse after that HTC is the biggest there will come some other phone whit more possebillitys.
I just realise that I can't compare my phone to a Nikon D3Xi and therefore the camera is just a piece of ballast which I never use , but with my camera I can't phone and if I could it doesn't fit in my pocket .
I remeber my anger with the first windows phone I had the Orange 100 (can't even remember the realtype) but what I do remember the problems one by one are being solved and not in the last place here at this forum where I find a lot of dedicated and friendley people, complains about HTC? When I bought my Diamond I had some troubles with the network I didn't now that you must use best performance in stead of best battery, I contacted HTC and the wanted to pickup the phone next day, in the mean time found the problem and phoned them and send a fax that there was no need for the pickup nex day 2 times a courier at my doorbel to pickup the phone after that they have phoned me for about 7 times or it still was working, I don't believe it could be better.
Of course there are comming new phones and I don't want to say that I will keep my Diamond for ever cause I now when the next phone shows up I will get that irrisistable feeling of wnating that phone and yess Apple has discovered that smartphones pressent a big marked with lots of customers which are not like most people here who want the last bit of performance but in stead a stablephone which does what its made for and nothing more, in the mean time I am happy whit my phone and if I see the reactions around me I am not the only one.
W'll see what next year will bring I am stock for next year with my Diamond cause for the first time in my life I bought it for 18 months and just except some minor reasons I don't have the feeling yet to give this phone to my daughter ( and believe me she is looking desperate for an other phone for me )
My 2 cents
Happy newyear
Willem
Well, for some reason my biggest issue with HTC phones nowadays is that they all seem to be slower than what I remember from my Qtek s100 (mda compact). Which is especially noticable with tomtom. Tomtom was super smooth on the s100 as far as I can remember.
Then the Touch came after a while, and that was a huge step backwards in speed. I was hoping the Polaris would regain the speed. But that was a bit of a dissapointment as well. Things looked up with the Diamond, but that one still lacks in the speed department. When looking at the specs it should be a really fast phone. But it just doesn't feel fast at all.
Sure, it's VGA has far better (and more demanding) WM 6.1 and software which obviously slows it down as well.
Maybe it's just some nostalgic feeling from the s100 (and that one had some major issues for sure). But speedwise things just don't feel as fast as it should be. Or at least how they -could- be when looking at the specs! (is a big difference).
That being said, I'm very happy with my Diamond. Even when it doesn't feel al that fast (used most of the ROMS here on xda, and speed is much better than it was originally) it's still one of the most complete phones so far. And I wouldn't want to trade it back for any other phone I've owned so far for sure!
But! This Asus phone looks really promising. If it's that much faster (e.g. speedy feeling is the same as benchmark difference) I'd be happy to trade in VGA and take the Asus. Especially when apps like TomTom finally work smooth again. And not only TomTom, but also video playback and all kinds of other apps.
But it's all very personal. If you go from a HTC Touch to a Diamond you would probably think "wtf, slow?! This thing is lightning fast!!!".
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Well, for some reason my biggest issue with HTC phones nowadays is that they all seem to be slower than what I remember from my Qtek s100 (mda compact). Which is especially noticable with tomtom. Tomtom was super smooth on the s100 as far as I can remember.
Then the Touch came after a while, and that was a huge step backwards in speed. I was hoping the Polaris would regain the speed. But that was a bit of a dissapointment as well. Things looked up with the Diamond, but that one still lacks in the speed department. When looking at the specs it should be a really fast phone. But it just doesn't feel fast at all.
Sure, it's VGA has far better (and more demanding) WM 6.1 and software which obviously slows it down as well.
Maybe it's just some nostalgic feeling from the s100 (and that one had some major issues for sure). But speedwise things just don't feel as fast as it should be. Or at least how they -could- be when looking at the specs! (is a big difference).
That being said, I'm very happy with my Diamond. Even when it doesn't feel al that fast (used most of the ROMS here on xda, and speed is much better than it was originally) it's still one of the most complete phones so far. And I wouldn't want to trade it back for any other phone I've owned so far for sure!
But! This Asus phone looks really promising. If it's that much faster (e.g. speedy feeling is the same as benchmark difference) I'd be happy to trade in VGA and take the Asus. Especially when apps like TomTom finally work smooth again. And not only TomTom, but also video playback and all kinds of other apps.
But it's all very personal. If you go from a HTC Touch to a Diamond you would probably think "wtf, slow?! This thing is lightning fast!!!".
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I came from P3600 and speed wasn't a major problem with it but I am shore of 1 thing the Tomtom which I have at my Diamond is by far THE fastest I ever owned and I came from a fixed Pioneer nav system where I never thought that a such small app could compet whit it and still I have with my Pioneer a fix at the moment that I connect my engine but TomTom at my phone isn't much slower it takes at max 30sec to get afix which is the time I need to fasten my seatbelt and start driving, even a long distance trip is calculated in reasonable time this was much different at my P3600 which never could make a calculation for example from my home to Madrid cause of nor enough memory for the Diamond no problem at all, the only problem which Tomtom gives me lateley is that it locksup for some reason which I didn't discover yet, its not because the trip is long which tomtom calculates it can be on any kind of trip.
I agree that the Touch 3d software was the firstone which I gave a kick and can't say I miss it.
Willem
the device "feels" slow because theres no 2d acceleration drivers. If it had that,this device would feel like lightning. the cpu is good,the gpu is good,the rest of the hardware is amazing. theres 3d drivers now,but the last missing piece is 2d drivers that use the gpu.
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Hello
I was thinking that even if the CPU was great, if the file system is slow the Diamond CPU will be waiting for data...
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no,since data is usually put in RAM and then executed from there,not directly from file.
Diamond...
I love my Diamond, faults an' all... just like my wife!
hi....
im highly keen on gettin the diamond2 when it comes out (due to the guaranteed free upgrade to 6.5, and for under £400 there isn't much else that rivals it (correct me on this tho if i'm unaware of any rivals!))
BUT. doing research on the chipset i've heard and seen all sorts of posts about bad drivers for the qualcomm chipset that was used in the first touch diamond, about how the video performance was terrible, and how they underperformed compared to much older chips!
So........does anyone know whether the video performance of this diamond2 will be better/whether HTC have fixed these issues/whether the qualcomm chipset in the diamond2 is different to the one in the 1st diamond, or if its been updated or what?
basically.......is the phone going to work as expected! i currently have an ipaq 614c with an intel chipset, PXA270. I mean...is the qualcomm chipset in the diamond2 better??
iv'e also heard that the htc touch HD solved a lot of the problems or something because it had better drivers? if this is true.............the specs on the htc website show the touchHD as having a Qualcomm MSM 7201A. Whereas the Htc touch diamond2 has a Qualcomm MSM 7200A. Now..........whats the difference. Is the 7201A the decent correct chipset with good video performance (if all of the above is true), and the 7200 the crappy one??
until i have answers to all these questions.....i won't be able to focus on university
I think the 7201A is the a 7200 with certain features that would infrnge some US patents deactiviated.
Could be wrong?
The MSM7201A is just like the MSM7200, Graphics wise. Only difference is that HTC adds a "driver" for their so-called 3D...
Look into the Blackstone forums to see for yourself about the performance of the MSM7201A chipset. Then decide if you're still going to buy it. (I wouldn't, although i've got a Blackstone)
no MSM7200a is the world version
which include the ability to recoard vga at 30fps and the world 3g frequescies
MSM7201A is the american version which don't include the 30fps video capture because of a patent by broadcom and it use the american 3g frequescies
this is pure chip hardware and dont have anything to do with what
drivers htc provide
Rudegar said:
no MSM7200a is the world version
which include the ability to recoard vga at 30fps and the world 3g frequescies
MSM7201A is the american version which don't include the 30fps video capture because of a patent by broadcom and it use the american 3g frequescies
this is pure chip hardware and dont have anything to do with what
drivers htc provide
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Hmm I live in France, bought a Touch HD, and got a MSM7201a chipste on my device from Orange France. Nothing related to the american market here.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I can do 3G with my phone so...
The last a in MSM7201a and MSM7200a indicates that it's a 528 MHz version, without a it's 400 MHz. I've read that HTC went back to the MSM7200a version because of the poor video recording performance on the MSM7201a chip. So, I guess it may be older, but it's better. That's why both the D2 and the Pro2 get that one.
I guess the chipset could be allright. But HTC hasn't been all that good in providing proper drivers (so it seems).
Although I'm beginning to wonder if the Qualcomm chipsets are actually able to do good 2d and 3d graphics.
For example, when comparing it to a Samsung Omnia with a 624mhz Marvell it's really a world of difference. Ofcourse the Omnia has a smaller resolution (wqvga instead of vga) but it's much much faster than my Diamond (in about everything).
Especially when playing a movie or something with quite a high resolution (divx for example). It's much faster than the Diamond, and usually plays everything without any problem. Even compared to a Diamond with Coreplayer (for the Qualcomm video support).
So.. in short. I would not quite put all my hope on HTC delivering some magical drivers which increase performance a lot.
I rather think the Diamond2 will be much like the original Diamond. But with extra software features like a new TouchFLO 3D and some extra/other hardware features.
Looking at HTC's track record I doubt 'new high performance qualcomm drivers' is not one of the new software features.
edit: Btw, obviously don't take my word on this. I'd say if you are interested in a Diamond2, wait for it to be available and give it a nice test run. Check it out for yourself and see if you like it and think the speed is good enough for you. In the end that's all what counts, if you are happy with your/the device or not!
Like you said , the Omnia is only 400x240 with a CPU clocked 100mhz higher. The msm7201a in the diamond is running slower and has to push X2.74 more pixels! (and 3x more on the wvga phones). it has nothing to do with drivers (the majority doesn't seem to understand that) now regarding video perf that's another story. Coreplayer support HW accel on the Omnia (PXA cpu) but not on the Qualcomm chips (the Qtv mode is only a hack to accel DDdraw overlay) Only
WMP/HTc album support HW accel (and only on MP4 files).
I'm certainly not expecting any dramatic speed enhancements from the D2. And like I said, the difference between the 00 and the 01 is, as I read elsewhere, the video recording speed, not the playback.
Take a look here
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp
Clearly HTC devices for some reason perform worse than 3 year old devices. These new devices will be no different as they are based on the same hardware. HTC are a joke.
So whats a good handy with good 2D/3D performance and Windows Mobile on it?
So...
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So whats a good handy with good 2D/3D performance and Windows Mobile on it?
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I think the toshiba G01 with an 1Ghz Snapdragon CPU,
the HTC "Superstar" with Nvidia chipset
the HTC "Star" with Snapdragon CPU
the Acer F1 with an 800Mhz Snapdragon CPU and an ATI co-processor
Add if I missed one
All of them should run 3D-games etc. well
I would take the F1 from Acer, because it's sleek and elegant designed and only priced at 560€.
take a look: http://translate.google.com/transla...apdragon-cpu.html&sl=nl&tl=en&history_state0=
I've been playing around with Coreplayer by watching TV programs recorded by Vista media centre from a network share. It plays the video at 31 fps and looks absolutely stunning.
Also, screen rotation from landscape to portrait is instantaneous.
I am not too worried about the chipset when I see this performance.
It records video in VGA no problems and plays back no problem - to me, it has no problem with Video
From what I have read the difference between the 7201a and the 7200a is the fab process: 90 vs 65. So the 7201a should be slightly more power efficient (although if it is only the CPU I don't know what the net difference will be).
Why they switched is a mystery. At first I assumed that it was related to their supply side situation: They have plants that can build 7200a and rather than revampt them, they released a few devices that use the 7200a rather than the 7201a.
Ingore that one - the Topaz and Rhodium each have the 7201a. The 7200a was a typo.
pidsw said:
From what I have read the difference between the 7201a and the 7200a is the fab process: 90 vs 65.
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Nope That's what the "a" is for:
7200/7201 (not sure it exists): 90 nm process
7200a/7201a: 65 nm process
the 7201(if it exists)/7201a peculiarity is really due to a US patent. and this peculiarity is a downgrade...So if you have the choice between a 7200 and 7201, pick the 7200 if video recording is important to you, else pick randomly (or the cheaper ;-) ).
Whilst it may not be the fastest device in the world, for a 'Joke' company the reviews of the touch diamond2 are pretty good wouldnt you say?
Its a phone by the way!
PS. My touch diamond 2 has the 7200a, it says so in the 'Device information'
I don't have performance problems....movies in full DVD resolution are playing smooth, GPS lag isn't present, as on TD1...so I am copmpletely satisfied..
Actually speaking of GPS, it seems to work much much better on the TD2 than any others i have tried it against (kaiser/touch pro 2) I actually have close to full reception in buildings that the others wouldnt pick up on.
Video playback works great in media player with .mp4 files.
And the whole thing is just really responsive and fast at a stock rom vs the kaiser and touch pro 2.