Well.. I was looking at that video on youtube with TomTom on Kaiser.. and thinking - dman, no way it's that slow. So I made my own video, and, honestly, it's as smooth as you want it to be, but judge by yourselves:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DHlk2pNIXhY
And here's the video comparison on iGo MyWay 2006 Plus navigation running same routes, at the same time, same config, on Wizard and Kaiser:
Wizard (left): WM5 stock ROM, no running apps. GPS disabled.
Kaiser (right): Dutty's v3 ROM, no running apps (aside from lots of stuff on today screen). GPS disabled.
Here's the vid (difference can really be seen towards the end of video):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LNdHJKcC3mk
DarkDvr said:
Here's the vid (difference can really be seen towards the end of video):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LNdHJKcC3mk
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The one on he right is the Kaiser, no? Seemed to have a better screen redraw rate than the one on the left (Wizard?).
So I made my own video, and, honestly, it's as smooth as you want it to be, but judge by yourselves:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DHlk2pNIXhY
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As you say, seems quite smooth. Makes me wonder if we need to find a standard set of tests and start some co-ordinated testing.
Just out of interest, can you do the same thing playing back a small video (in TCMP or something). My old Hermes could play videos, but I have trouble getting my Kaiser to and I currently have only one device so can't exactly do side-by-side comparisons unless I speak to a friend... sounds like a plan...
It's a lot smoother because of the fact that you are running it at 200%...
redo the video at 100% instead
The one on he right is the Kaiser, no? Seemed to have a better screen redraw rate than the one on the left (Wizard?).
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Yep. Added clarification to the first post as well.
Cavey.co.uk said:
Just out of interest, can you do the same thing playing back a small video (in TCMP or something). My old Hermes could play videos, but I have trouble getting my Kaiser to and I currently have only one device so can't exactly do side-by-side comparisons unless I speak to a friend... sounds like a plan...
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Well, with latest CorePlayer I have no problems playing video.. so I don't think benchmark is that needed, it's very smooth and nice.
undac said:
It's a lot smoother because of the fact that you are running it at 200%...
redo the video at 100% instead
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Just tried it at 100% - absolutely zero difference for me, maybe even a bit smoother. You can take my word on it.
Hey Dark, is that TomTom cutting out on you in the video when it says "In a quarter mile..." or is that how it actually works? I was thinking of purchasing TomTom 6 and running it on the Tilt, but if it doesn't tell me to turn left until I'm on the corner, that's a bit troubling.
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Hey Dark, is that TomTom cutting out on you in the video when it says "In a quarter mile..." or is that how it actually works? I was thinking of purchasing TomTom 6 and running it on the Tilt, but if it doesn't tell me to turn left until I'm on the corner, that's a bit troubling.
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It does tell you before you get to the corner. I have used it a lot and no problems at all.
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Hey Dark, is that TomTom cutting out on you in the video when it says "In a quarter mile..." or is that how it actually works? I was thinking of purchasing TomTom 6 and running it on the Tilt, but if it doesn't tell me to turn left until I'm on the corner, that's a bit troubling.
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I didn't notice any autio cut-outs when using TomTom.. Although I use iGo pretty much all the time instead. It might be the voice setup, you know how it is... "in quarter mile..." "turn." "left."
I'd suggest before you buy TomTom try out iGo MyWay Plus 2006.. imho, it's better. The only drawback is that it doesn't get traffic from the web (only TMC antenna.. but u have to pay for TT traffic anyway if u're not in US).
iGo's interface is SOOOO much better.. besides, their maps are great.. California map has over 2 mil POIs and constantly updated.
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I didn't notice any autio cut-outs when using TomTom.. Although I use iGo pretty much all the time instead. It might be the voice setup, you know how it is... "in quarter mile..." "turn." "left."
I'd suggest before you buy TomTom try out iGo MyWay Plus 2006.. imho, it's better. The only drawback is that it doesn't get traffic from the web (only TMC antenna.. but u have to pay for TT traffic anyway if u're not in US).
iGo's interface is SOOOO much better.. besides, their maps are great.. California map has over 2 mil POIs and constantly updated.
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That may be normal operation. I've never used TomTom so I have no idea. Which I guess is why I asked. It just seemed like it should have said "in a quarter mile, turn left" and then "turn left" once you got to the corner.
I've read a lot on here about the voice cut out issue and wondered if that was an example of it or not. Apprently it isn't. Thanks for the answer.
joshuah82 said:
That may be normal operation. I've never used TomTom so I have no idea. Which I guess is why I asked. It just seemed like it should have said "in a quarter mile, turn left" and then "turn left" once you got to the corner.
I've read a lot on here about the voice cut out issue and wondered if that was an example of it or not. Apprently it isn't. Thanks for the answer.
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Tomtom 6 on my Kaiser says: "Turn left in, 300 meters" then "Turn left" just before I reach the turn. Haven't had any cut out problems after several days of use.
I just ran mine in demo mode at 200% and it's no way as smooth as yours. I wonder what the difference is? Do you have any of your own POI's added? Any other mods?
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I just ran mine in demo mode at 200% and it's no way as smooth as yours. I wonder what the difference is? Do you have any of your own POI's added? Any other mods?
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I dunno what to say..
I have Dutty's V3 ROM.. lots of crap installed, actually, like PointUI, S2U2..
No POIs, its a new install of TomTom with their free basic map of my city. What else.. I closed all running programs before I started TomTom.. oh, and TomTom and the map are both on phone's memory, not on SD card.
DarkDvr said:
I have Dutty's V3 ROM.. lots of crap installed, actually, like PointUI, S2U2..
No POIs, its a new install of TomTom with their free basic map of my city. What else.. I closed all running programs before I started TomTom.. oh, and TomTom and the map are both on phone's memory, not on SD card.
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It may be because you have the basic map.
I have full TomTom USA maps, I have installed to SD card, I'm running Dutty's V3, and it's not as snappy as yours.
Hm.. maybe it does help to install GPS apps to storage instead of card because the card interface seems to be slow, but it's not possible to move the huge maps to storage.
True, that might have an effect, although I doubt it'd be that much..
Whatever the case, video was made to look at actual operation performance.. not at how fast my SD card is hehe..
My tomtom 6 runs just as smooth on my tytyn 2 with maps of western europe and the full USA map, what really causes tomtom to lag even on the stand alone ones is enabling lots of POI's that display permanently on the map. I use lots of POI's but I only use them to warn me if I am near one or just navigate manually to one.
Just go into the main menu, change preferences, enable POI's and disable all of them, tomtom should then run as smoothly as the video
Edit - My tomtom 6 is currently installed on the main memory and all maps on the storage card, did once put tomtom and maps on the storage card and made no difference to speed.
Forgot to mention my phone is the Orange UK Tytn 2 running all stock ROM.
Cavey.co.uk said:
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There was a link in the Happy User thread for a benchtest program. Probably not exactly what was intended, but it's a good start?
Clicky
FWIW, here are my results.
Results
Stock o2 ROM 1.82.206.1 WWE
ROM date 10/04/07
Radio 1.27.12.32
Protocol 22.45.88.07H
I think some sort of testing is in order, especial if legal action is planned, because you really should cover off this point. I find it curious that some people have extremely slow devices, whereas others seem fine. This does not suggest a driver issue, more some sort of conflict? AND YES I know that proper drivers would perform better, but its curious how all devices aren't the same and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the customised features. Or does it?
Radeon123 said:
My tomtom 6 runs just as smooth on my tytyn 2 with maps of western europe and the full USA map, what really causes tomtom to lag even on the stand alone ones is enabling lots of POI's that display permanently on the map. I use lots of POI's but I only use them to warn me if I am near one or just navigate manually to one.
Just go into the main menu, change preferences, enable POI's and disable all of them, tomtom should then run as smoothly as the video
Edit - My tomtom 6 is currently installed on the main memory and all maps on the storage card, did once put tomtom and maps on the storage card and made no difference to speed.
Forgot to mention my phone is the Orange UK Tytn 2 running all stock ROM.
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Yep, definitely having lots of POIs on the map would slow it down.. Thanks for your feedback regarding having TT on SD card vs Storage and having full maps. I didn't think it'd make much of a difference.
I have no idea why some of youtube's videos show TT running on Kaiser so slow. It's very smooth.
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FWIW, here are my results.
Results
Stock o2 ROM 1.82.206.1 WWE
ROM date 10/04/07
Radio 1.27.12.32
Protocol 22.45.88.07H
I think some sort of testing is in order, especial if legal action is planned, because you really should cover off this point. I find it curious that some people have extremely slow devices, whereas others seem fine. This does not suggest a driver issue, more some sort of conflict? AND YES I know that proper drivers would perform better, but its curious how all devices aren't the same and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the customised features. Or does it?
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Unless I am misreading it - this proves the device outperforms the QTEk 9100 except for the fps rate?
It seems to outperform the 9100 on all counts! Unless a higher number on the fill rate is bad? I would really be interested in seeing one of the posters who say their device only barely crawls along doing this test and their results.
Pretty much same results, even a bit higher..
Test seemed very smooth, fps was very good as far as I can tell.
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Nav N Go, the makers of the iGO mapping solution just unveiled iGO8. iGO8 is unique in that it provides not just 2D and tilted 3D maps, but realistic 3D maps with building renderings in select US cities. Of course, not all buildings are rendered, but it looks realistic enough to actually help guide you along the way, especially in busier areas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUzQkR0H2S0&feature=related
Anyone know how to make skins for the igo8 final? or if tmc works with the tilt
If it does run, it will probably run like cr*p in the 3D view w/o the display drivers that the Kaiser lacks. Regular TomTom is bad enough. My old Axim X5 runs it smoother than my Tilt!
Got it running looks nice but struggles like hell on certain parts and when you have loads of buildings showing up its working hard. I still use tomtom still.
i have it.
I have installed I Go on my Kaiser.
Works a treat and looks great. I think it is as fast if not faster than TomTom.
and i love the TEXT TO SPeach when it says the mane of the road, not just turn right. The 3D mountains look great as well.
PS i dont work for I Go either.
welshdragon said:
........
and i love the TEXT TO SPeach when it says the mane of the road, not just turn right. The 3D mountains look great as well.
PS i dont work for I Go either.
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The iGo clearly does not come with spell-checker ;-)
iGo8 - 2008
I've just installed iGO 2008 ...
For a couple of reason ... firstly, to watch the 3D buildings everyone is raving about and secondly, to see if it will run on the TytnII (since the official site states it can).
Verdict:
Yes, iGO8 2008 does run on the TytnII and better still ... unlike the previous version, it does not object to HTC Home engaged in the today screen
The initial menu screen is split into four boxes, 'Find', 'Route', 'Manage' an 'Setting', with soft buttons for 'Map/Cockpit screen' and 'Exit'. The navigation screen is also somewhat different, almost like a flight sim cockpit view. The SD card directory structure has the buildings held seperately.
GPS locked on quickly and auto-set to port 4 but with a high baud rate .. this can be changed though, since I found Tomtom wasn't a huge fan of fast baud rate comms to the GPS.
Some nice features like a menu shortcut to add 'speed camera locations with speed limit reference' on the move, and verbally announcing the GPS dis-engaging ... it's early days and I'll feedback any major issues, but if the gossip that Tomtom are going to discontinue the development of Tomtom for the PDA are true, then it looks like iGO will be the way to go.
I've enclosed a link to the manual if anyone wants to look at it [from the official site @ 1.4mb]
ajs007 said:
I've just installed iGO 2008 ...
For a couple of reason ... firstly, to watch the 3D buildings everyone is raving about and secondly, to see if it will run on the TytnII (since the official site states it can).
Verdict:
Yes, iGO8 2008 does run on the TytnII and better still ... unlike the previous version, it does not object to HTC Home engaged in the today screen
The initial menu screen is split into four boxes, 'Find', 'Route', 'Manage' an 'Setting', with soft buttons for 'Map/Cockpit screen' and 'Exit'. The navigation screen is also somewhat different, almost like a flight sim cockpit view. The SD card directory structure has the buildings held seperately.
GPS locked on quickly and auto-set to port 4 but with a high baud rate .. this can be changed though, since I found Tomtom wasn't a huge fan of fast baud rate comms to the GPS.
Some nice features like a menu shortcut to add 'speed camera locations with speed limit reference' on the move, and verbally announcing the GPS dis-engaging ... it's early days and I'll feedback any major issues, but if the gossip that Tomtom are going to discontinue the development of Tomtom for the PDA are true, then it looks like iGO will be the way to go.
I've enclosed a link to the manual if anyone wants to look at it [from the official site @ 1.4mb]
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Thank you for your feedback and I do like igo8 alot better then the old igo. But I wish they will add more building for the usa maps
Hi all,
I made a data.zip for IGO8 which is working with rezolution 240_240 - http://rapidshare.com/files/115724040/data.zip.html
It isn't look like the original ones, but this is just the beginning.
One bug - after pushing the button Set point as a final destination on navigate screen the program shows an FFUI error - press OK button and everything will be OK.
I'm starting to fix size ot some menu bottons and to improve the skin at all.
Everybody who like to help is wellcome.
Enjoy
outlook contacts
when i put mine outlook contacts in mine phone abouth 200 pices i wil get a error when i start igo8 when i remove the contact's from mine phone all works fine
i did try to remove htc home i won't work
when i put mine contacts on to mine sim it works all fine
i have software NoThrills_WM61_NLD_V3 on mine phone
rom version 3.14.172.0.nld
radio version 1.65.14.06
can sombody help please its to strainge
or is there a good software version that wil work dutch software is no pree
As a dedicated Tomtom user I decided to load up IGO8 and have a look to see how it was and so far I am pretty impressed.
It certainly picked up the GPS signal a lot quicker than Tomtom 6.032. It was very accurate and I like the "You are speeding" feature.
So far I have not had Text to speech operate, not sure why, might be the maps here in Australia.
I would like more choice with voices (I tend to like John Cleese in Tomtom).
It is a real memory hog though, I only run a P3600i and when IGO is running I have 3 meg of free operating memory so it really isn't practical for me at the moment. Maybe whn I can get my hands on the HTC Diamond.
I will give more feedback once I have used it a bit more.
Andych said:
... and I like the "You are speeding" feature.
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I forgot to mention in my ealier thread
... I decided to try out the 'practical' side of the iGO and engage the voices whilst being a passenger in my Wifes car on the Motorway (autobaan/freeway)
... My Wife was not a happy bunny to hear a complete stranger out of the PDA telling her she was speeding !!
I'll have to find out if the software has a 'don't p*** your wife off' function ... mine took years to perfect
I too stopped using TomTom in favor or the latest iGO, the speed warnings, the reading of the street names and not just simple "turn left or right", the buildings and ofc, the 3d terrain is what for me played the major part in swapping over, being able to see if I should be going up or down, below or above another road, is really helpful in new places.
iGo runs fine on my kaiser, up to 3-4 building in medium distance works fine, more then that and it begins to struggle, but, since there aren't many spots with buildings displayed where I drive everyday, it doesn't really bother me.
Oh, and for the dude who asked, TMC doesn't obviously work since we got no FM tuner, and there's no TMC over the interweb in iGo from what I can see
error
i have install igo8 and found these issues.
when i exit out of igo it changes my volume to mute.
when i change the time zone it does not save and it changes the time zone on my device.
The timezone issue is known and their site as a really good explanation on how to fix it, all sites should be searched, not just this one
Just add this to your Storage Card\iGO8\Sys.txt
Code:
[timezone]
sync_os_timezone=0
reset_os_timezone=0
eskostar said:
The timezone issue is known and their site as a really good explanation on how to fix it, all sites should be searched, not just this one
Just add this to your Storage Card\iGO8\Sys.txt
Code:
[timezone]
sync_os_timezone=0
reset_os_timezone=0
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can you link the site so i can go to them
thanks very much
North America
So there are no maps for North America? Is there a demo available ?
Praygo said:
So there are no maps for North America? Is there a demo available ?
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I know that there are version 7 maps for USA available including 3D buildings etc. but not v8 as yet.
I don't think this would be a problem as I've had iGO8 on v7 and v8 of the UK (with buildings) and they both work, so the answer would be yes, but not up to date maps.
Demo - There was a beta version that expired 1st May 2008 or there abouts.
** Note ** USA is available as individual 'States' and not in a single package like Tomtom.
So has anyone been able to get V7 US maps (state-by-state) working on V8 Final or was everyone who's had success with the At&T Tilt (seen a few Tilts in signatures) using the beta version?
ajs007 said:
I know that there are version 7 maps for USA available including 3D buildings etc. but not v8 as yet.
I don't think this would be a problem as I've had iGO8 on v7 and v8 of the UK (with buildings) and they both work, so the answer would be yes, but not up to date maps.
Demo - There was a beta version that expired 1st May 2008 or there abouts.
** Note ** USA is available as individual 'States' and not in a single package like Tomtom.
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I ended up ditching IGO for miomap. Runs faster
I've been using it for a week and a half now and I'm going to say that Igo8 is the best out there. I love it. It works better and faster than tomtom. Also the 3D buildings look fine and perform fine on my phone.
Does anyone know of any other GPS software available for the Kaiser I'm currently using TOMTOM but was wondering what others were available. I need it to have UK maps and I also travel to Florida fairly often so maps for there would be nice too.
I dont want this to turn into another " What is the best GPS software" thread. Just what is available out there and possibly a link to trial versions (if your feeling nice)
livefastdiefun87 said:
Does anyone know of any other GPS software available for the Kaiser I'm currently using TOMTOM but was wondering what others were available. I need it to have UK maps and I also travel to Florida fairly often so maps for there would be nice too.
I dont want this to turn into another " What is the best GPS software" thread. Just what is available out there and possibly a link to trial versions (if your feeling nice)
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GARMIN Mobile XT.
shameless bump
You always have the one that Orange do?????
garmin...igo
hay00c2 said:
You always have the one that Orange do?????
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No NEVER!!!! use orange maps lol
Windows Live Search Mobile. Great software from Microsoft. Since you're UK based it has maps available for the UK and US. Hope you have a data plan though because it downloads maps on the fly.
I use a combination of tomtom, garmin,google and live search moblie....tomtom is more responsive, performance wise compared to garmin. Garmin is more refined and has some neat features.Bottomline, it all depends on personal preference.
Sygic McGuider
garmin seems nice. i know you can load your own custom poi's, and not be limited to 10mb like on a gps unit!!!
How about Navigon MobilNavigator.
I have been using it on my Kaiser ever since I got the Kaiser (I used it on a Herald, a Wizard and a Universal before) and I have always been very happy with it.
I find that the route planning is the best available.
Give it a try.
Good luck with your choice.
nebc100
I've tried a few different GPS apps and I think that the new iGO8 beats them all. Give it a shot... can't say anything about the maps in UK and US though.
Destinator...
Wayfinder - can subscribe to another country for a month or more.
did anyone had problems with wm 6.1 and igo 6 plus?
since i had instaled wm 6.1 (the official htc release) ..i couldn't reinstall igo 6 plus...
Yes
infernalshade said:
Sygic McGuider
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Totally agree, this is some great software, the maps are in great detail and the signposts/exit direction signs are lovely. Really easy to see. Then theres the TTS, best one yet - it actually says 'take exit off motorway, junction 3a' in a non robotic way. Its all good..
Google this - Sygic McGuider - and you'll find it..
I personaly use miomaps mainly becasue, you can put on whatever maps you want and all the United States are divided up. The program plus Florida maps is under 92mb
I use iGuidance 4, it gives you door to door directions and works well with my at&t tilt. I use GPS Utilities if I am out camping and hiking.
maporama is pretty good - used it on my i780
http://shop.maporama.com/index.php?cPath=43
but I use tt6 on my kaiser
My personal choice...
I've tried destinator, route 66, sygic...
was a staunch tomtom 6 fan until I got my hands on ;-) a copy of IGO 8 - it really has all the best features from all the other systems in one app. The speed camera support is phenomenal - if you pass the start of an average speed camera, it monitors your average speed and tells you if you go above it until you get past the average speed camera zone... and with static cameras, it only beeps if you're speeding, and keeps beeping until you slow down (Route66 is the only other that does this)...
There is also a Text to Speech engine (TTS) so if you want it to, it will actually speak the road names.
You can just copy the relevant files to your sd card and run it from there without installing it...
Message me if you need more info...
Just came across this while bowsing the pocket GPS site. Anyone tried it, looks like a good alternative to TT7 and would be less hasle installing the maps.
http://www.alk.eu.com/diamond/
I'm already running Copilot 7 on my Diamond. I don't think this version is any different but I could be wrong. Installation of the standard version was easy anyway.
I purchased the Diamond version of CoPilot 7 from Handango. It installed quickly & easily. It's VGA & uses the scroll wheel to zoom in & out.
I haven't fully tested it yet but first use on foot lagged. I have messed a bit since so hopefully it will be better.
The gps picked up pretty quickly and accurately so happy there.
Copilot 7
hello,
Can you test it in your car ? and report if it lag like Tomtom navigator 7 or not.
tanks in advance.
@++
Lag? I've not noticed any lag and having used TT for several years now I'd likely be quite sensitive to any delays..
Mathew
I've been using the 7-day trial version of CoPilot7 on my Compact IV, and I have to say, the route planning seems to be WAAAAY better than TomTom5 on my MDA Pro! Not to mention that it seems you get traffic info on the CoPilot. Apparently, T-Mobile customers can upgrade to the full license for £50 all inc. Alternatively, for those that have a Diamond but not on T-Mobile, they might consider downloading it from Handango for just under £56:
http://www.handango.co.uk/PlatformP...pe=2§ionId=0&siteId=172&txtSearch=copilot
For the price difference, I'm wondering whether I'd be better off paying the extra £6-odd and getting it from Handango - that way, if I do load a cooked ROM, I've still got the full software for CoPilot?
F1Mad said:
For the price difference, I'm wondering whether I'd be better off paying the extra £6-odd and getting it from Handango - that way, if I do load a cooked ROM, I've still got the full software for CoPilot?
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It may be an idea to pay the extra. I have flashed a new ROM 3 times in the past week so it's been useful having the files at hand. The CoPilot software auto installs when the Diamond boots up again which is very useful. I keep the files on the root of the internal storage as it recommends.
I don't know if it's the same for the normal version of CoPilot 7 but as I said the Diamond version is VGA and uses the scroll wheel to zoom in and out of the map.
I have been busy at work recently and haven't really thought about testing the software properly but I have some free time soon so will check it out more. In particular I want to check it when walking as alot have complained about the GPS on the Diamond when walking.
I've used quite a number of GPS navigation programs, Tom Tom 7, Co Pilot 7, NavMan, Garmin and I can say personal experience with Australian Maps is Tom Tom routes the best for me. I've had Co-pilot do a huge loop around a destination when there was a straight road to the place or choose really interesting routes.
Trem said:
It may be an idea to pay the extra. I have flashed a new ROM 3 times in the past week so it's been useful having the files at hand. The CoPilot software auto installs when the Diamond boots up again which is very useful. I keep the files on the root of the internal storage as it recommends.
I don't know if it's the same for the normal version of CoPilot 7 but as I said the Diamond version is VGA and uses the scroll wheel to zoom in and out of the map.
I have been busy at work recently and haven't really thought about testing the software properly but I have some free time soon so will check it out more. In particular I want to check it when walking as alot have complained about the GPS on the Diamond when walking.
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Normal version also is VGA and supports scroll wheel zoom. I think the only difference is a specific install for the Diamond (due to lack of SD slot). Normal version is easy install anyway.
Darrenives said:
Normal version also is VGA and supports scroll wheel zoom. I think the only difference is a specific install for the Diamond (due to lack of SD slot). Normal version is easy install anyway.
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Normal version also installs on Internal Storage if you want it to. I had tried the normal version before and I'm now setting up the Diamond edition. If I spot any changes I'll report
F1Mad said:
I've been using the 7-day trial version of CoPilot7 on my Compact IV
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May I ask where you got this from? I've searched high-and-low as I'm keen to try it out before parting with my cash...
(of course, posting this means I'll find it in the next few minutes...)
Mathew
mkhattab said:
Normal version also installs on Internal Storage if you want it to. I had tried the normal version before and I'm now setting up the Diamond edition. If I spot any changes I'll report
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So, its been about a week, found anything?
I'm also very intersted in this.
BTW, the 7-day trial is only officially available with T-Mobile. I have asked ALK if there is a demo version of the Diamond edtion, but there isn't.
The other thing that puts me off is that for the combined price of the TD and CoPilot (with Euro maps) I could get a nice standalone sat nav solution. However, I have bene told by ALK support that if I buy the Diamond edition of CoPilot and then change my phone, I will need to re-purchase CoPilot. I don't know how true this is, but two different ALK support guys have now told me the same. However they did also say that the standard version would run perfectly happily on a Diamond.
It would be nice to confirm whether or not the Diamond edition does have other benefits over the standard, apart from the ease of installation. If not then I can't see any reason to buy the Diamond version.
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Normal version also is VGA and supports scroll wheel zoom. I think the only difference is a specific install for the Diamond (due to lack of SD slot). Normal version is easy install anyway.
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The normal version is not VGA, if you look closely at the splash screen and the graphics you will notice a slight pixellation of the images/graphics. This is because the regular WinMo version is designed for QVGA or lower.
But the maps do not pixellate because I assume they are vector graphics (or some equivalent).
I have the normal Copilot 7 and can confirm that all the veatures mentioned for the Dimond version appear to work the same for the normal version.
I installed by using the Copilot Central to install the program, then I just copied the folders off of my SD card to the internal storage.
Some instruction for copying the SD card can be found here:
http://support.alk.eu.com/cgi-bin/alk.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=649&p_created=1194449850
Digsy said:
I'm also very intersted in this.
BTW, the 7-day trial is only officially available with T-Mobile. I have asked ALK if there is a demo version of the Diamond edtion, but there isn't.
The other thing that puts me off is that for the combined price of the TD and CoPilot (with Euro maps) I could get a nice standalone sat nav solution. However, I have bene told by ALK support that if I buy the Diamond edition of CoPilot and then change my phone, I will need to re-purchase CoPilot. I don't know how true this is, but two different ALK support guys have now told me the same. However they did also say that the standard version would run perfectly happily on a Diamond.
It would be nice to confirm whether or not the Diamond edition does have other benefits over the standard, apart from the ease of installation. If not then I can't see any reason to buy the Diamond version.
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I think that like for TT7 the maps are registered to a code that is valid for the device it is being used on....change your device then there is a code bust and you cannot use the maps.....hence the need to get the maps again
.....not sure if/how you can transfer your maps from one device to another (when you upgrade)
Hi Folks,
First of all, I'm really sorry for posting a 'diet' question like this, but even though I've owned it for some time, my Kaiser has remained untouched so far and I was just wondering if anyone has any advice on definitive action...
OK I've got the device for three main reasons - 1) To have push mail and web (of sorts) in my pocket, 2) To provide internet connectivity to my laptop when needed, 3) to be a pretty competent Sat Nav device.
This evening I noticed a little complication with point 3 - Up to now I've been using TomTom Navigator 6 and more recently TomTom 7.910 - I thought the performance was pretty decent, at the very least acceptable - I've been using a TomTom Traffic & Cameras subscription. Today I subscribed to the pocketgpsworld safety camera database and set alerts for the 'speed zoned complete' version.
I took my kaiser out on a little drive just now and I was pretty shocked at the amazing performance degredation TomTom is suffering now that it's got to think about a few POIs at the same time - it really was pretty woeful.
I guess I'm not the first person to note this, so I was wondering is there anything that can be done - tweaks or even a replacement ROM that might deliver some more horsepower to TomTom Navigator?
For the record I'm not bothered about the Kaiser doing anything else 'fancy' - if ActiveSync will work with an Exchange server, and Pocket IE (I know it sucks but Opera and Skyfire don't flick my switch either) will give me basic web functionality, my only other concern is TomTom...
Does anyone have any advice? All suggestions are most gratefully received!
Thanks and regards,
Rob.
Speed up TomTom
First: What Rom do you use? If it's the stock one, there's probaly a problem with the driver (custom http://www.htcclassaction.org / Intell Omnia drivers). It's best to flash your Kaiser where the drivers already are in it.
To speed up TomTom and use POI's:
step 1: Hide all POI's.
- change prefences
- Show POI on map
Be sure that NOTHING is on (like in my screenshot)
step 2: Warn near POI's
- Manage POIs
- Warn when near POI
- Be SURE to turn OFF Warn only if POI is on route (otherwise it will not always warn you).
Now it doesn't load all the POI's tot the map constantly and it will run much smoother
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Hoped it helped you & hoped I hear if it helped...
P.S. be sure to check out the mapcorrections, reply if help is needed.
Hey.. I had the same problem (with TT 7.4)... I foudn after I added all the POI's, I unchecked almost all but the most needed.. Then from that point on, I can still get direction to ANY of the POI's (checked or unchecked) and it still shows all the ones I want it to when drivign around... and the map lag is now non-existant... Hope this helps..
FactionOne said:
Hi Folks,
First of all, I'm really sorry for posting a 'diet' question like this, but even though I've owned it for some time, my Kaiser has remained untouched so far and I was just wondering if anyone has any advice on definitive action...
OK I've got the device for three main reasons - 1) To have push mail and web (of sorts) in my pocket, 2) To provide internet connectivity to my laptop when needed, 3) to be a pretty competent Sat Nav device.
This evening I noticed a little complication with point 3 - Up to now I've been using TomTom Navigator 6 and more recently TomTom 7.910 - I thought the performance was pretty decent, at the very least acceptable - I've been using a TomTom Traffic & Cameras subscription. Today I subscribed to the pocketgpsworld safety camera database and set alerts for the 'speed zoned complete' version.
I took my kaiser out on a little drive just now and I was pretty shocked at the amazing performance degredation TomTom is suffering now that it's got to think about a few POIs at the same time - it really was pretty woeful.
I guess I'm not the first person to note this, so I was wondering is there anything that can be done - tweaks or even a replacement ROM that might deliver some more horsepower to TomTom Navigator?
For the record I'm not bothered about the Kaiser doing anything else 'fancy' - if ActiveSync will work with an Exchange server, and Pocket IE (I know it sucks but Opera and Skyfire don't flick my switch either) will give me basic web functionality, my only other concern is TomTom...
Does anyone have any advice? All suggestions are most gratefully received!
Thanks and regards,
Rob.
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Hi,
Thanks for your response
At the moment my Kaiser (branded T-Mobile Vario III) is running the stock T-Mobile ROM which it shipped with quite a few (between 6 and 9) months ago.
I've just disabled all 'Show POIs on Map' and left the 'Warn when near POI' enabled for the safety cameras.
I ran a route demo and it seems to be a little improved, probably to a level which is approaching acceptable.
I tried again having disabled HTC Home from the Today screen which seemed to free up a little memory.
I'm curious about your mention of the display drivers - I'd read the class action website some time ago and was aware of display driver issues. I'm interested in your mention of alternatives, but not quite sure I follow what you mean exactly...
Is there an improved driver which I can install on my Kaiser with the current ROM?
And/or, are there 'community' ROMs available which have an improved display driver installed?
Any further help you can offer on those points would be great!
Thanks again,
Rob.
Search, Find, Flash...
You can try the CAB file (download, copy to phone, run it on phone)
Kaiser and Nike drivers: download as seen on
http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php (almost at bottom)
BUT also they noticed that almost every rom included the drivers.
Also Intell Drivers work great (ripped from Omnia)
Flashing for beginners with a Kaiser (READ BEFORE YOU BEGIN TO FLASH!):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=433835
All roms: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=378
For much speed I recommend a rom like "AthineOS |NAKED|" maked by b16b
That's the ROM I'm using at the moment and TomTom 7 runs very smooth (that rom has got Omnia driver included)
You're lucky i'm a bit bored, otherwise you'll get a very short answer like:
SEARCH....
bigchrizzieboy said:
For much speed I recommend a rom like "AthineOS |NAKED|" maked by b16b
That's the ROM I'm using at the moment and TomTom 7 runs very smooth (that rom has got Omnia driver included)
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Thanks very much for the information - I'm going to dump the stock ROM from my Kaiser and hopefully reconstruct it before I go any further (I've been doing a lot of reading about how to do that today); and then I think I'll give the CAB a go.
If that doesn't yield good results I'm going to give the AthineOS ROM a try -I'd been looking at various ROMs available and the AthineOS looked to be the kind of thing I like (I've used Schaps (with a bit of stripping-out) and CRCs ROMs on my Hermes and the AthineOS for Kaiser looks similar in style) - I noted that it's described as very fast (which I like the sound of!), and I saw mention of replaced display drivers in the thread - I just wasn't certain at first which were used, and crucially, whether they would benefit TomTom.
Your recommendation and confirmation of a performance increase in TomTom is exactly the information I'd been looking for, so thank you very much!
Also...
bigchrizzieboy said:
You're lucky i'm a bit bored, otherwise you'll get a very short answer like:
SEARCH....
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I had done quite a bit of searching after your first reply before I asked more questions, but I couldn't quite find conclusive answers to the particular questions I then had. I promise Search and Wiki are always my first ports-of-call before I post questions to the board (I'm admin at a car forum and completely understand frustration when people repeat questions as a result of not checking existing resources!).
Sincere thanks again,
Rob.
PS> I'll update this thread with the results of my actions so that searches by others in future might be useful...
Just a quick update for the record...
On reading the link to the driver progress page on HTCClassAction.org I saw the statement "As far as we know, there is NO 6.0 ROM that is compatible with these drivers." - so I didn't bother attempting to install the driver directly to my current ROM.
I've dumped my T-Mobile stock ROM and made sure I've got the reconstructed OS ROM, a suitable SPL and the boot/splash screens ready should I wish to go back for any reason.
I've just flashed AthineOS (the WM6.1 version not the just-released test WM6.5 version)...
Well, I'm extremely impressed...
The ROM itself is nice and snappy, navigating around menus etc. is very quick indeed...
Now, we come to the all important TomTom performance...
So I've got the pocketgpsworld safety camera database (Speed-Zoned Complete version) running, with 'Warn when near POI' set for each category with 15 seconds warning for fixed and the pgpsw recommened setting for mobile/pmobile cameras...
It's CONSIDERABLY faster - MUCH more fluid in the turns - frame-rate is considerably higher (not measured, just perceived with mark one eyeball) and there's little or no 'visual lag' is evident whatsoever. It's a completely dark and light transformation. I'll be more than happy using it every day now.
It's worth noting that I've still not got any POIs 'shown on map' - this doesn't prevent warnings, or indeed POIs that the application is 'currently' warning about from being shown on the map when required - it simply means that ALL of them aren't on the map at ALL times - so in real terms it makes no difference in the case of safety camera warnings. I did test performance with some categories 'shown on map' and it drops off sharply; but I'm inclined to think that this is more a side effect of mathematical horsepower in the Kaiser being limited (especially when you consider everything else that's running in the background) as opposed to display performance being low.
...In short, I think this software takes about as much advantage of the hardware in the Kaiser as is possible.
I'll join bigchrizzieboy in thoroughly recommending AthineOS if you're a TomTom user...
Thanks again and regards,
A very happy Rob
PS> A donation to b16b for the excellent AthineOS will be on its way in due course...
Well, I've just discovered something else which might prove interesting for anyone wondering about TomTom performance and x,y,z ROM in future...
I've just done a side-by-side comparison of...
My Kaiser running AthineOS and TomTom 7.910 with the pocketgpsworld Speed Zoned Complete safety camera database
and
My Father's TomTom One XL running the most recent NavCore for it (8.014 or something I think), the same safety camera database, the same map and the same warning preferences etc.
...Guess which one delivered better frame/redraw rate?...
That's right (or wrong?)... The Kaiser seems noticably quicker than the dedicated TomTom device! I'm quite shocked!
Regards,
Rob.
FactionOne said:
Well, I've just discovered something else which might prove interesting for anyone wondering about TomTom performance and x,y,z ROM in future...
I've just done a side-by-side comparison of...
My Kaiser running AthineOS and TomTom 7.910 with the pocketgpsworld Speed Zoned Complete safety camera database
and
My Father's TomTom One XL running the most recent NavCore for it (8.014 or something I think), the same safety camera database, the same map and the same warning preferences etc.
...Guess which one delivered better frame/redraw rate?...
That's right (or wrong?)... The Kaiser seems noticably quicker than the dedicated TomTom device! I'm quite shocked!
Regards,
Rob.
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I don't had see this before i'm impressed with this thread
I'm very happy after your result with MY ROM finally all this hours with cooking finally have the best and fastest result.. thanks for promotion m8
Great posting
b16b said:
I don't had see this before i'm impressed with this thread
I'm very happy after your result with MY ROM finally all this hours with cooking finally have the best and fastest result.. thanks for promotion m8
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Indeed, thanks for the feedback, testing, discovery, etc...
Hope you already using TomTom Home with mapupdates, if not reply & i will tell simply how to...
br
Hi,
Thanks again for your help. I've joined 'MapShare' and TTHome has downloaded corrections and it reported that it applied them to my device, is there anything else I need to do?
Regards,
Rob.
Some extra's
FactionOne said:
Hi,
Thanks again for your help. I've joined 'MapShare' and TTHome has downloaded corrections and it reported that it applied them to my device, is there anything else I need to do?
Regards,
Rob.
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Nope, but what you CAN do:
Mapupdates prefences:
Don't know what your settings are, but mine are:
TomTom Home:
Don't know what your already using, but:
You can use it to download free voices, warning sounds, POI's, color schemes.
You can "Pimp your ride":
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/tomtom-custom-cursors.php
Right mouse button, save as on the "rides" (google tomtom car symbol for more)...
Be sure to save only a couple off cars (about 10), to much will give you an error when trying to change your car symbol.
Save the file's into "Storage Card\ART\CARS\"
- ON YOUR PDA in TomTom: Change prefences, change car symbol
Free Voices thanks to google
Search on google for TomTom voices (some people maked their own) and copy them to "Storage Card\VOICES\"
When chaning voice, TomTom will ask if it must only use voices from your language, answer with NO.
If you've got filenames with the same number just rename them (you don't need to overwrite). examplefiles needed for a voices:
- DATA114.BMP (not needed, you can create it)
- DATA114.CHK
- DATA114.TLV
- DATA114.VIF
POI's made by other people
http://www.poiedit.com/
A site with a free program with many POI's, you need to subscribe some sites first.
Make own POI's pictures
Where your map is placed on your device "Storage Card\MAP NAME\"
Are files like:
- Burger King Sub, The Netherlands.ov2
- Burger King Sub, The Netherlands.bmp
You can simply edit or create BMP files, just give them the same name as the ov2 file.
Enjoy your speedy customized TomTom
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Indeed, thanks for the feedback, testing, discovery, etc...
Hope you already using TomTom Home with mapupdates, if not reply & i will tell simply how to...
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I don't use tom tom i don't have found any good map for Greek
Nice looking ROM , with many bug at this point. Just uninstalled from my X1. Igo 8 , Garmin and a few GPS related software not working with this relase.Contact screen freeze after sync with outlook from my pc.
The only one ROM from itje worked for me trouble free: Touch-IT_Xperience_v2.2
Anybody out there who have Igo 8 and this ROM working?
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Using Garmin Mobile XT V5.00.20 and works perfect (Socal).
Couple of things to check:
1 - Advanced Config - enable 'Assisted GPS'
2 - update quick GPS
3 - Settings - 'External GPS' my settings are:
GPS program port: COM4
GPS hardware port: (None)
Baud rate: 4800 (i've seen others used 9600 as well, don't know the difference)
Manage GPS auto - checked
From what I know, GPS has a lot more to do with the radio than rom. I've tried all three available Xperia radios and the best one for me is 1.10.25.18 . Satellites lock quickly and signal holds very well.
radios are available here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=477801
You just gotta experiment, good luck!
using igo8 perfectly.
also tried the cab for TT with a free map (to test out footprints) and that works as well.
I had big problems with gps, seems that sometimes a flash can mess it up. It's not related to rom, it's not itje's bug, a hard reset should do the trick. make a backup with something like spb backup, hard reset and then restore
PS I LOVE googlemaps integrated in contact detail page
I am using Touch-It RC1 with IGO8 without any problems, I didnt have any problems with any of the beta versions either.......I havent changed any GPS settings on windows or in IGO8 gps settings etc.
whitemdx03 said:
1 - Advanced Config - enable 'Assisted GPS'
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I bet you will have a lot of issue by enabling this. HTC put a bogus non-reachable IP address for AGPS and AGPS never work.
I actually haven't got into much problem with the A-GPS enabled. Only issue is if i leave the GPS program active, but not routing to a destination, and let the screen power off due to inactivity, the phone occasionally freezes. I will trying turning it off and see if i can repeat the freezing.
guap said:
I had big problems with gps, seems that sometimes a flash can mess it up. It's not related to rom, it's not itje's bug, a hard reset should do the trick. make a backup with something like spb backup, hard reset and then restore
PS I LOVE googlemaps integrated in contact detail page
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My Igo 8 working perfect with another cooked rom's. With itje's rom i can not install Igo 8 (8.3.2.64029). I havent changed any GPS settings on my xperia.
I just flashed back my phone with the generic uk rom: (X1i_GENERIC_UK_CDF1215-1832_R2AA010) , and now everything working fine , no problem with igo 8.
Any suggestion what im doing wrong?
I have iGo 8 with 4.0 rc 1 w/o any problems, also it worked with all images from itje all the way until 4.0
xxcsu said:
Any suggestion what im doing wrong?
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Add following line to your sys.txt on SD card and Program files\igo8(if iGO already installed)
[device]
type="ALIAS_XPERIA"
Regards,
Damijan
Dare1 said:
Add following line to your sys.txt on SD card and Program files\igo8(if iGO already installed)
[device]
type="ALIAS_XPERIA"
Regards,
Damijan
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That should work; also check if the installation path is correct in sys.txt.
I've got Navigon 7, TomTom 7 and iGo8 working perfectly on the Xperia. TomTom and Navigon are a bit stretched since they were made for VGA, but they work fine.
Also Google maps, Trackr and QuickGPS work fine.
I left all GPS settings to the standard and disabled AGPS.
The above are valid for Itje's 2.01, 2.2, 3.01, 3.5 WWE and NLD, 4.0, Jack 2.08, CmEX 2 and some others I've tried (didn't keep track, I flash every few days )
Gwystyl said:
I've got Navigon 7, TomTom 7 and iGo8 working perfectly on the Xperia. TomTom and Navigon are a bit stretched since they were made for VGA, but they work fine.
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You mind providing a brief review of these 3 products with pros and cons? I am running Garmin XT at the moment but IGO8 looks pretty interesting...
whitemdx03 said:
You mind providing a brief review of these 3 products with pros and cons? I am running Garmin XT at the moment but IGO8 looks pretty interesting...
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Here's my take:
IGo8:
Pro: Best graphic (both 3D and 2D) and fluid screen movement, TTS, fully customizable UI. lane info for freeway exit, excellent voice instuctions, Quite easy to use UI if you get use to it.
Con: Take a long time to (> 1 min) start. Resource and memory hog.
Garmin Mobile XT:
Pro: Best POI, Best online functionality if you got 3G plan (Google search, realtime traffic, airline schedule, gas price .... etc).
Con: Ugly UI (IMHO), quite hard to understand how to navigate the menus, slow, no TTS, not so good voice instructions
Tomtom: Very good graphic (just 2nd to Igo), very easy to use.
Con: no TTS, horrible voice instructions in complicated freeway situtation, no feature is best of it class and I don't see the need to use it (e.g. I would either use Garmin or Igo8 depend on situtation and needs, but in no case I would consider Tomtom....)
Thanks for the review! IGo8 sounds good, and I just moved to Socal and freeways is a ***** to navigate so better voice instructions would be a plus.
whitemdx03 said:
Thanks for the review! IGo8 sounds good, and I just moved to Socal and freeways is a ***** to navigate so better voice instructions would be a plus.
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If you are in US, you should look into IGuidance 4/2009 too. Ugliest interface but best TTS instructions, fast startup time and use a lot less resource.
In my case iGo starts within 15sec., it depends on the stuff (maps, buildings etc.) you include. I´m using the latest version but it eats up a lot of memory though.
whitemdx03 said:
You mind providing a brief review of these 3 products with pros and cons? I am running Garmin XT at the moment but IGO8 looks pretty interesting...
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My experience is similar to Jacks, but here goes:
Navigon 7:
pro: a lot faster than version 6, very good graphics, roadsigns in landscape, POIs with real life logo's, fast map updates, excellent voice instructions
con: startup is a bit slow, not customisable
iGo 8:
pro: very customisable/skinnable, nice graphics, chooses logical routes, lane info with roadsigns in portrait and landscape, fast map updates, easy to plan a route with multiple stops, displays second move.
con: startup is slow, hard to navigate to contacts (hidden in POI menus)
TomTom 7:
pro: very fast, very easy to understand and navigate from A to B.
con: very simple graphics, hard to customise
I use iGo most, but I think Navigon is nicer to look at and has better voices. iGo voices are a lot better than in previous versions, but you get a lot of notifications for one move. I hardly use TomTom; only when I want to now quickly (within a minute or so) where I can find a specific address.
I've had a play with the tomtom cab from the diamond and the free map of my home town (for footprints experimenting) and the route finding is really bad. I know a few others who have standalone units and have complained of the same.
I was heading back home the other night, set preferences to shortest, turned onto a 2 mile long straight road home and it decided I should instead turn left, go 3 miles to get onto the motorway ride along the motorway for a 1.5 miles than up another road for 2 miles, to come out the other end of the road I was on. mmm
give me igo anyday..
Been involved in the beta testing for the telmap stuff, other than the caching and amount of data it uses it's not bad, but ugly. Walking directions are pretty good as well.
Nothing from all the solutions you gave in this thread works for me ! I tried them all...
Anyone who got this working on Touch-IT v4.0 RC1 , RC 3 , RC 3.01 ......
What branding and data file are you using? What is your igo8 version number ?
What is in your sys conf. file?
Everything working fine with generic uk R2AA010 rom,but nothin with itje rom's....
I like very much his rom, i really wanted to use , but i must to have igo8 on my xperia