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But it does not look good for us. I think we're going to have to rely on developers to release drivers for us, not HTC
"HTC believes the overall value of its devices based on their combination of functionality and connectivity exceeds their ability to play or render high-resolution video. These devices do still provide a rich multimedia experience comparable to that of most smartphones and enable a variety of audio and video file formats," reads the official response, in part. Furthermore, the company has officially confirmed that Imageon drivers are not in use on the affected devices, but that it "plans to include video acceleration hardware in future video-centric devices that will enable high-resolution video support."
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Then its final. no more HTC for me as this will be my last HTC device.
HTC you ruined my day. . . Well, I think that means they want a huge money donation to enable them. . .
Yeah no more HTC for me. Everyone who wanted the driver issues fix should agree that when they buy their next PPC make sure it's not an HTC
Fantastic. Perfect. Top notch. [/sarcasm]
So, in light of problems being fixed as they should be, the new issue is with what to replace the Kaiser?
Where oh where is the M8??
What they basically said is that "yea, we know there is no hardware acceleration, but if you really want it you are going to have to give us even more money by buying our next gen handset, bc we aren't fixing it in this one".
I used to rave about my 8125 to everyone. It's too bad HTC is taking the position they are. Never again will I buy a product from HTC or recommend them to anyone else. My next handset will be from i-mate.
yeah i-mate I never thought of them. I wonder if they have anything with touch screen and a full keyboard
Okay, so whos up for a nice class action lawsuit? I'm totally willing to try running HTC into the ground with one.
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yeah i-mate I never thought of them. I wonder if they have anything with touch screen and a full keyboard
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i-mate just annoced last week that they are going back to HTC as the ODM of their phones. I-mate had tried (or was trying with) some other ODMs and it didn't pan out, so they are going back to HTC. If you don't want HTC, then don't buy any future i-mates either....
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/palm-i-mate-others-moving-manufacturing-contracts-back-to-htc/
I think we now need a sticky thread stating "Dont buy HTC products unless you've had your brain removed"
Certainly depending upon who commented to Engadget, we dont know how seriously to take this. But it does look bleak
We all know the existing drivers suck, the phone is buggy
and more to the point for a "premium" product, it doesnt fulfill some functions its predecessors could (its slower than my 3 yr old Wizard at scrolling, camera and opening/closing)
The standard, 'we already got your money response'...
Maybe it would be prudent for a written complaint to the carriers now, if they blow this off on this handset, what makes you think there won't be anything wrong with the next? Maybe they are making a promise on the next? Any takers?
?Glitch
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yeah i-mate I never thought of them. I wonder if they have anything with touch screen and a full keyboard
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That they do. they are actually releasing a kaiser killer very soon - the Ultimate 9502
It uses the exact same chipset as the Kaiser, but I'm guessing it has drivers for hardware acceleration too. It has the same specs as the kaiser (GPS, HSDPA, etc, etc) and features a VGA screen.
Beat me to the 9502. Link - http://www.imate.com/product.aspx?product=ultimate9502
snif...
ah well, here's looking forward to the
toshiba g920
http://www.slashphone.com/111/9012.html
or the imate 9502
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2007/10/imate_9502_handson.html
or whenever the he77 apple gets a 3g stick out of their a$$.
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i-mate just annoced last week that they are going back to HTC as the ODM of their phones. I-mate had tried (or was trying with) some other ODMs and it didn't pan out, so they are going back to HTC. If you don't want HTC, then don't buy any future i-mates either....
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/palm-i-mate-others-moving-manufacturing-contracts-back-to-htc/
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ah, craptastic.
well, maybe the linux-palm? or go retro and ditch the convergence altogether?
" In response to recent customer complaints about poor video performance on HTC devices based on the latest Qualcomm MSM7xxx chipsets, HTC is providing the following statement.
HTC is committed to delivering a portfolio of devices that offer a wide variety of communication, connectivity and entertainment functionality. HTC does not offer dedicated or optimized multimedia devices and can confirm that its Qualcomm MSM7xxx-based devices do not use ATI’s Imageon video acceleration hardware.
HTC believes the overall value of its devices based on their combination of functionality and connectivity exceeds their ability to play or render high-resolution video. These devices do still provide a rich multimedia experience comparable to that of most smart phones and enable a variety of audio and video file formats.
HTC values its customers and the overall online community of mobile device enthusiasts and fans. HTC plans to include video acceleration hardware in future video-centric devices that will enable high-resolution video support. "
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this whole statement is very ambiguous and does not state that support for imageon drivers aren't possible on current devices. i think its a pr statement and doesn't reflect what their software team is doing. its very opened ended and we could have support for acceleration but we couldn't as well. this statement doesn't tell us that.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361580
So htc said that the devices with the latest qualcomm chipsets would have 3d acceleration, but they dont. Has anyone pointed this out before. Im not a tytn ii owner, but ive been following the news, since i wanted one for myself.
But, is this false advertising, saying it will have hardware acceleration and then not giving it, and saying it will never be given in an update.
I think the 9502 is where im going too, we just need a forum on XDA for it.
Rory
Back to palm for me!!!
Guilf said:
Beat me to the 9502. Link - http://www.imate.com/product.aspx?product=ultimate9502
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I wonder if the keyboard is comfortable.
Also, let's say I purchase this phone in March. Would HTC get any of that profit?
I agree with BlueCop, and why is everyone getting so worked up about this? Where there's a demand, drivers will follow - their source is just unclear at the moment.
I will also order my diamond bud am affraid it wil have the same VGA driver problem like other qualcomm devices. New rom 6.1 for kaiser isn't including the driver, so this realy dissepoints me.
I don't think the Diamond will have the "driver problem". From what I've heard the Diamond even has some kind of accelerated graphics to entertain us with its lovely 480x640 screen
I saw this on one of the youtube video's of the presentation of the device.
Vibrant TouchFLO 3D user interface, responding perfectly to your finger gestures when scrolling through contacts, browsing the web, and launching media… all vividly displayed as photos and artwork powered by the 3D graphics processor.
from htcdirect specs
Yeah, all of the evidence so far suggests that the Touch Diamond will have no driver problems. HTC would have to be quite silly to have driver problems on their flagship device.
Hold up, I don’t think this is their flagship device, it’s targeted at the consumer market rather than at the business market, although there will be some overlap of customers.
Nonetheless, still true that the driver issue effecting other devices won’t be seen on this device.
http://www.htc.com/www/press.aspx?id=48976
"Singapore – 22 May, 2008 – HTC Corp. (TAIEX: 2498; “HTC”), the world's leading provider of Microsoft® Windows Mobile® smart devices, today unveiled its new flagship phone, the HTC Touch Diamond."
badaas said:
Vibrant TouchFLO 3D user interface, responding perfectly to your finger gestures when scrolling through contacts, browsing the web, and launching media… all vividly displayed as photos and artwork powered by the 3D graphics processor.
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What we've learned from the TyTN II: Don't trust HTC marketing literature.
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all of the evidence so far suggests that the Touch Diamond will have no driver problems. HTC would have to be quite silly to have driver problems on their flagship device.
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The TyTN II was a flagship device that had driver problems. I'm also a bit worried by the current stock of youtube vids. Checkout some of the laggy graphics on this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoaXA9un7YE [web browsing, around 2:40]
My prediction: The graphics performance of the Diamond will be a vast improvement on the recent HTC devices (TyTN II, Touch, etc), but will not be as good as other modern competitors.
Sorry, maybe I'm just a pessimist. Does anyone have a youtube vid to prove me wrong??
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http://www.htc.com/www/press.aspx?id=48976
"Singapore – 22 May, 2008 – HTC Corp. (TAIEX: 2498; “HTC”), the world's leading provider of Microsoft® Windows Mobile® smart devices, today unveiled its new flagship phone, the HTC Touch Diamond."
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Have a look at the launch event, towards the end at the Q&A session (time elapsed 55:15) on the link below:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...site:google.com&ei=Ov83SImsNYGkigKglIFU&hl=en
It is a consumer oriented device, now it maybe their flagship consumer device, replacing the original HTC touch, but it is too limited to be their top of the range high end device, as such its priced accordingly.
That’s not to say it’s not a great device, and I will certainly be in line to buy one of the first ones once released to replace my ageing XDA Orbit
To be fair, they do overload it a bit while browsing the web, by zooming in and out and rotating it a lot. The device is only designed to work well when used reasonably.
By the way, the only evidence that I can find of the TyTN II being a flagship device is unofficial.
we wil only know after its out to market..
the tytn II was undoubtedly the flagship device of late 2007, they may not have explicitly said that, but its pretty obvious.
but anyways its getting a bit off topic here... but i really doubt that itll have driver problems, why would they kick themselves in the balls again?
Rory
Sorry, this is random, but I've just thought about that and I have come to the conclusion that kicking yourself in that area is actually pretty difficult (or maybe impossible). Hopefully HTC will find that it is similarly hard to make driver problems again.
And I'm still not convinced by this flagshipness - the flagship product(s) are normally the main feature on the HTC home page. As far as I'm aware, the Touch Family has controlled the home page for ages.
Flagship is just a marketing term use it how you will. If it make you ‘feel’ better that you own the company’s’ flagship product then so be it.
However, I must point out that there are many phones that equal or surpass this phone in terms of hardware without a problem. The only advantage this has is its form factor. The phone is designed as a style statement, like its name it’s all about the BLING BLING. Even the CEO says it’s a phone that you will be proud to show your mates and take to the pub.
For me personally a flagship phone is like the Nokia 8000 series (8600, 8800, etc...) or the new SonyEricsson Xperia X1. A premium device or one that is technically far more advanced that anything that manufacturer has ever produced before.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoaXA9un7YE [web browsing, around 2:40]
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Web Browsing is likely to be very Processor intensive, not Graphics chip
Personally, I think that the Diamond won't have the 3D driver issue. This is backed up by the benchmarks is got in CorePlayer (Near the bottom, sorry for the auto-translate) - (Spoiler, it could play a VGA (640x480) 1.5mbps XVid video at 106% of actual speed)
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...A premium device or one that is technically far more advanced that anything that manufacturer has ever produced before.
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lol, you must be joking, this device is so advance in such a small package it will be hard to beat this year by anyone, it sure is a flagship device unlike Kaiser, which is just like caring a brick in your pocket, just awfull
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lol, you must be joking, this device is so advance in such a small package it will be hard to beat this year by anyone, it sure is a flagship device unlike Kaiser, which is just like caring a brick in your pocket, just awfull
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I completely agree.
Flagship devices are not the most powerful devices out there. I can hardly see HTC bolting a phone to the side of a laptop and calling it their flagship device. Exactly which devices are flagship devices is up to HTC. Lately they've been keen on their Touch family, so they're all flagship devices.
If you really want to generalise it, flagship devices are normally:
1. One of the best devices in terms of specification compared to size (so the Touch Diamond destroys huge devices like the Athena).
2. Very stylish. The members of the Touch family all have unique and memorable looks. The Kaiser is generic and (consequently) unmemorable.
going slightly off topic, maybe you should go discuss the meaning of flagship devices in off topic?
because im bored and this is slightly interesting, i made a poll in OFF-TOPIC http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394942
this thread should be closed, because "we" all know this wont have a 3D driver issue....
i totally agree
I've agreed from the start. Where are the people with appropriate powers when you need them?
Where can I look/read what kind of GPS Chip run in my diamond?
Is it true thats two different chips have been build-in?
Does nobody know this information?
you should've checked the wiki before posting
anyways, the chipset is Qualcomm's gpsOne
where did you get the idea of two chips from?
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you should've checked the wiki before posting
anyways, the chipset is Qualcomm's gpsOne
where did you get the idea of two chips from?
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Shure - I ve checked wiki and another blogs and I know this information about Qualcomm, thx.
But I wanne know where I can read in my diamond what kind of chip I have.
I´ve read it in a another forum (about 2 versions of chip´s) and I think that was the answer why first Diomonds release work with bad Sat fix and newest edition work´s fine.
on your diamon huh ?...from what i know, neither winmo nor the htc manual reports any info regarding the gps chip, plus i've never come across any s/w that could read gps specifications directly, have you checked out the htc repair maual, actually it has pretty much all info regarding the hardware.
i don't know if htc would alter the gps chip, maybe its just that the newer diamonds come with a better radio s/w...
Hey all has anyone been secretly working on the wp7 rom for the X1? if so lets start a thread for it
i don't think its been leaked yet, has it?
Well I dont know if anybody is working but I trying to make this theme
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633755
I love to have WP7 on SEX1 (if it is possible)
I guess hardware requirements wont let you to function smoothly but chefs here can save us with a barebone edition of WP7
Cheers
i hate to break it to u guys, but we don have a proper OEMXip and drivers from wm6.5 which is the same CE version as 6.1
how do u expect a XIP + oemdriver for wm7 when its completely different driver set + newer version of CE.
n lets no forget the touch capacity screen requirement of wm7
so unless MS decides so make it backward compatible to older device, i just don see it. and knowing MS i don think they will. coz they cant sell just an OS at retail. it comes with a device. so if the old device can run 7, it will mean less sell of newer products will be sold and no company would want that.
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i hate to break it to u guys, but we don have a proper OEMXip and drivers from wm6.5 which is the same CE version as 6.1
how do u expect a XIP + oemdriver for wm7 when its completely different driver set + newer version of CE.
n lets no forget the touch capacity screen requirement of wm7
so unless MS decides so make it backward compatible to older device, i just don see it. and knowing MS i don think they will. coz they cant sell just an OS at retail. it comes with a device. so if the old device can run 7, it will mean less sell of newer products will be sold and no company would want that.
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Yes, that's correct.
But can't you guys, extract WM6.5 drivers out of the xperia X2? The hardware is almost 95% the same as our beloved X1 D), right?
sadly we wont be getting windows phone 7
but there are rumors that microsoft is making a sucessor to the 6.5.X line. I really do hope so! CE is soooooo old! and the new 6.X better not be CE.
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Yes, that's correct.
But can't you guys, extract WM6.5 drivers out of the xperia X2? The hardware is almost 95% the same as our beloved X1 D), right?
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Like if the X2 will ever get wm7, stop dreaming
So X2 drivers are useless for wm7 because the drivers are ment for wm6.5
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and the new 6.X better not be CE.
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This doesn't make any sense.
I dont understand this CE thing...can't we update it..AFAIK, its a software version rite???so can't we have it updated on X1???
Pointless in discussing now, as no WP7 betas out... no one knows the final min specs...
might be 1ghz processor with tegra required...
microsoft did say in all the video's i've watched that the min specs will be quite high to ensure that user experience is rich.
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This doesn't make any sense.
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meaning the new 6.X should not be based on CE
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Pointless in discussing now, as no WP7 betas out... no one knows the final min specs...
might be 1ghz processor with tegra required...
microsoft did say in all the video's i've watched that the min specs will be quite high to ensure that user experience is rich.
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I happened to see some windows 7 add on youtube which has a pyramid hovering over all users... and i think the guy is using windows 7 phone operating series (or whatever they call it) ..... the good thing about it is that the guy is using an xperia X1. Now i know that there is a good chance the screens were added post recording and are all fake... but lets all just keep our hopes high and fingers crossed
i'm not very sure about drivers. We have seen that htc devices are quite similar about hardware so maybe possible, as we are already doing with wm 6.5, to use drivers of other devices.
cant we update the CE..
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cant we update the CE..
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If you mean update the CE to CE7 then No, as stated above it is pointless to even be discussing this right now since we don't even have the proper hardware/drivers to even run WP7 properly and the beta isn't even out yet, your just going to have to wait for 6.6.
If you guys want WP7 so badly try upgrading to new hardware.
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i'm not very sure about drivers. We have seen that htc devices are quite similar about hardware so maybe possible, as we are already doing with wm 6.5, to use drivers of other devices.
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Yeah, but like if they build an htc with such low-end hardware like the xperia for such a high-end os like windows phone 7, no way thats gonna happen. No way they are gonna beat iPhone then.
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i'm not very sure about drivers. We have seen that htc devices are quite similar about hardware so maybe possible, as we are already doing with wm 6.5, to use drivers of other devices.
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We are not using drivers from other phones. Atleast not the whole OEM shizzle. Drivers(except some video drivers etc) are device specific and can't be used on other devices
min specs for WP7 is quite high... i read snapdragon +1Ghz CPU would be required...
credit to msoft for raising the bar (ensuring user experience will be similar all round)
sadly this means that our qualcomm 528mhz processor + ati graphics might not cut it...
While this does make wp7 look nice with the high specs, it would also make the phones more expensive. Though, snapdragon should be cheaper by then.
WP7-lite for us 528mhz people!
hello to all xda developers windows phone7 is released now htc mondrian is touch hd1 hardware compatible for wm7?
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hello to all xda developers windows phone7 is released now htc mondrian is touch hd1 hardware compatible for wm7?
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if it becomes possible it will take a long time
windows phone 7 requires 3 hardware buttons where we have 4 so it will take a long tiome before it becomes possible if it even is possible
not to mention the way too slow hardware... Windows Phone 7 will probably be _VERY_ slow on our devices. And if someone manages to get it working, I'm quite sure that won't be anytime soon... sorry mate
Windows Phone 7 require AT LEAST 800mhz processor..Touch HD only 528mhz..
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Windows Phone 7 require AT LEAST 800mhz processor..Touch HD only 528mhz..
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that isnt the biggest problem i think as the hd2 sense is for 1024mhz proc and we have 528 mhz and that works to
a bit slow but useable for everyday i my opinion
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if it becomes possible it will take a long time
windows phone 7 requires 3 hardware buttons where we have 4 so it will take a long tiome before it becomes possible if it even is possible
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sorry, forgive me if im being thick, but wouldnt that mean that we would just have a dead hardware button? which could be pathed to something else?
It would appear there's more to it than that.
I've been following Da_G's thread since he started messing with the mondrian Rom.
It would appear that it requires an ARMv7 Processor to run whereas our's is ARMv6.
It supports only Capacitive screens and ours is Resistive. as well as more stuff.
It looks highly unlikely I'm afraid.Complete incompatibility.
m2.5 wm6.5 roms are slower already, just figure wm7, not worth the hassle imho
Not a great loss IMO, if its true that the OS is gimped that is, why do you all want it when AFAIK it wont have something as basic as file management?
Agree with you all
As already stated I doubt this project would be possible due to the differences in hardware.
More interesting though is how many of us will be looking at the Mondrian to replace our HD's or HD2's???
Not me
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As already stated I doubt this project would be possible due to the differences in hardware.
More interesting though is how many of us will be looking at the Mondrian to replace our HD's or HD2's???
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Not a hope for me, hate the looks of WP7 tbh, the Xbox Live integration would be nice but other than that i'll stick with MaxSense on my HD, Still hunting for an HD2 on Ebay that i can afford lol.