My phone seems to be crashing pretty randomly.
Only this morning did it fail to sound my 3 alarms. Luckily I got up just in time for work, but completely unaided by my phone, which was no longer responding and sounded my alarms after a reboot!
Its pretty vital that this thing works without crashing... something I'd previously asumed was possible with windows mobile.
Anyone got any tips on how to sort this out, I cba having to go by an alarm clock, my old Sony Eriksson had no problems being on 24/7 and giving me 5 different alarms every morning....
marksweb said:
Its pretty vital that this thing works without crashing... something I'd previously asumed was possible with windows mobile.
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i'd have thought the opposite really "Fixed" solutions like nokia & S-E to me usually operate better, cause they have less possibilities/parameters to deal with.
usually my phone (WM2003) and recently my kaiser on wm6 would have random crashes or freeze ups due to either too many programs installed or a specific program that just isn't "fitting in" with the rest.
i know that's a pretty vague answer, but that's probably where i'd start looking first. on my recent kaiser problems, once i reverted to a previous backup (i back up my device every month or so), things were fine again.
how exactly do you back it up? don't think mine came with any software for that...
I use SPB Backup, which seems to work (almost) fine on WM6 (it usually delivers one or two error messages upon completion but has restored backups fine on my kaiser). Sprite Backup is another popular one too, but I had some issues with it on WM2003 and I found SPB to be faster/more reliable.
Anyway, backup software is the best purchase i've ever made, after suffering many crashes & other random events on my XDA II. Usually i'll try to remember to back up every month, but will also do a backup before i make any iffy or major software installations or upgrades. It is also possible to do selective backups of course (PIM data, contacts, e-mails, etc).
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I know that the current versions of Sprite doesn't work, and they're working on a WM5 version, but is there anything at all that can create a backup of a working unit as of now?
Now that WM2005 uses persistent storage we don't need to back it up do we?
Won't the apps and contacts/calendar remain even if the devices loses power or is hard reset?
Yes, you're right about that. I tested that yesterday, and the unit doesn't loose anything. But I like to experiment with different types of software, and then sometimes a mere uninstallation isn't enough. Like NiceStart, that made the unit wake up again and refuse to be suspended when it was uninstalled, so I had to re-install it.
Which leads to my way of doing things: Making full backups (on Windows computers I use PQ Drive Image the same way I use Sprite on PPCs) before any significant change, so I can always get back to the smoothly running system I had. I wouldn't like to have to set up the whole thing from ground up again because of some misbehaving third party software not to mention an ill-adviced registry hack.
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Yes, you're right about that. I tested that yesterday, and the unit doesn't loose anything. But I like to experiment with different types of software, and then sometimes a mere uninstallation isn't enough. Like NiceStart, that made the unit wake up again and refuse to be suspended when it was uninstalled, so I had to re-install it.
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Did it keep yuor contacts & calendar aswell after the hard reset? Or did you have to resync to transfer them back?
Thanks
I didn't do a hard reset, I just removed the battery and left it out for 20 minutes. Nothing was lost at all. In fact it had turned on the WLAN while it was gone. Wish it could do that when I suspend the damn thing! Also, it first said that there was no Radio ROM, but a simple soft reset fixed that.
Really wierd.
Vario III ran out of batteries yesterday, (not the 1st time this has happened) and so I left it plugged in to re-charge.
On powering up, all the SMSs had been deleted (Sent & Inbox)
My 2 POP email accounts were not there either.
Windows Live account (Unused) had gone too.
The only change was two apps had finished their trial (FFFriends and FunContacts), neither of which have a messaging element.
The attachments folder on the SD card is still there.
The memory usage on the phone hadn't changed, so the data is probably still there.
Anyone else experienced anything similar?
Any way of extracting the old SMS to a text file (or even restore!) - they contain receipts for London Congestion charges etc - would be nice to retain.
Update:
Re-creating the email account did not come up with "This account already exists" - which is what I was expecting, so it looks like they have gone for good.
Spoke to Jahn (FFFriends Developer) and I'm happy it's not the cause (never really thought so).
Has anyone else had a message wipe-out on WM6?
I never let the battery drain to 0%, so i can't say. It shouldn't delete anything, because when you power the device off, nothing is gone either.
No, it's a wierd one.
I've taken the opportunity to re-build it from scratch - (removing a lot of rubbish!) fortunatly I have all the CAB files on my SD Card.
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I never let the battery drain to 0%, so i can't say. It shouldn't delete anything, because when you power the device off, nothing is gone either.
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Not had this myself but others have mentioned problems with a corrupt message store which could have probably been caused with your low battery. This can even disable messaging altogether as it gets stuck trying to load faulty data.
Only suggestion I can make is use a backup package at least once a week. Most of us business users are relying on our devices a lot now and it is only sensible practice to do the same as you would on a PC.
Sprite or Spb software can be configured to do an automatic backup of your most needed files either internally to the SD card or to the Activesync PC AND even to a Network drive.
Soz, I know this is closing the door after the horse has bolted (you have already re-written the accounts so data recovery is going to be impossible) but it may help in the future.
I had Sprite backup from start-up (provided on T-Mobile CD), forgot to install it again after 1st rebuild (once I found what I liked etc), and forgot to re-instate it -Dohhhh
Nightly backup re-instated.
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I had Sprite backup from start-up (provided on T-Mobile CD), forgot to install it again after 1st rebuild (once I found what I liked etc), and forgot to re-instate it -Dohhhh
Nightly backup re-instated.
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Always best pal. Have a good Xmas and New year..
EDIT: MS thought that a non-volotile memory would solve all our problems on mobile... But! we are still held to a battery that can fail and if that happens on a write process, then.... The 'Kaiser' is not perfect on battery, but for a multi-function device, its not TOO bad. I have had Motorola's that barely lasted a day (Razor as an example with BT on). Always best to take maximum precautions depending on what you have on the device..
Charge mine every night just like an alarm clock at the side of my bed..
Have my att tilt for over a week now and i noticed I need to perform soft reset at least twice a day. I am not sure if that's normal but I think it's annoying since I rely on it for reminders. This morning I had to do a soft reset because it froze during the night. I am not sure if I want to use it as alarm clock.
I am using the Dutty's V4 RTM and Radio 1.27.12.11.
Is there something I can do or do i need to get used to it?
Other than that and the bluetooth not working with my infiniti g35, i love it.
No problems for me, never had to do an softreset because of freezing up. Only because of my battery problem.
I soft reset a couple of times a week - just for good measure (after running memmaid or something to assure good operations). Don't think I've ever "needed" to other than during flashing and installations. Using Dutty's V2 (medium), but moments from flashing Q-Mobile 1.2. I tend to avoid things like cubes and S2U and such (justified or not, I see them as unnecessary resource hogs), but am hardly minimalistic as far as installing programs.
Perhaps you'd be happier with a "liter" ROM? I'm still testing to find the one I want to stick with. That being said, I love the V2 medium - just looking to appease my inner flashing addict.
i love it when ppl use cooked ROMs and then complain about issues...No offense to anybody. I used cooked ROMs on the Hermes as well. Not on my TILT. I do not have to reset the Tilt, but when I do is because a third party program freezes.
And also remember, any program that you install, might cause issues, because crappy programming...It's not necessary the OS...
Using Qmobile 1.2 for about a week. Might have had to soft rest once or twice. Not too bad. I think mainly because of Navizon though...
I never really had to soft reset due to crashes, but i normally do softresets after configuring registries that require soft resets. Otherwise, its on 24/7!!
I soft reset when I find my phone getting a little sluggish. It's like a computer, I figure, and I restart my computer multiple times a week. Either way, I don't think there's any harm in soft resetting too much.
I find I have to soft reset fairly often. Probably every day. I am using stock ROM but have installed a bunch of stuff, so I am suspicious of that.
I do have a Cube installed, and am considering dropping it off. Not sure if that will help or not.
I find that there are a lot of posts about various quirks on Tilt. And I will say, "Gee, that doesn't happen to me", and of course next thing you know it does. Some of the stuff is just me still learing how I can get myself into trouble. For example today my sound quit and I couldn't hear music from WMP. But it turned out that the problem was that sometime I had hit that little speaker at the top which opend the volume control, and before getting it closed I had deactivated sound. So even with volume at 100%, no sound. Interesting...
Anyway, as some said, I suspect combination of installing stuff causes issues. The more you install the more likely it will be problematic. But then, for me anyway, one reason I have this unit is so I can put stuff on it to make it productive. But then, after all, it is a version of Windows, so after a while, probably need to reload from scratch (hard reset).
yea most likely its the stuff u put on the stock? o men do some upgade.
I do soft reset about once in 14 days. I usually do it when my available RAM approaches 40 MB. Don't remember it has ever crashed on me except for a few times when usiing opera mobile.
Actually I after using the TyTn II for 3 months now I am starting to believe that the instability issues we relate with windows mobile are becoming more of a myth than a reality
I guess I soft reset too often? I do it about 15 times a day. By choice, though.
mick2021 said:
Have my att tilt for over a week now and i noticed I need to perform soft reset at least twice a day. I am not sure if that's normal but I think it's annoying since I rely on it for reminders. This morning I had to do a soft reset because it froze during the night. I am not sure if I want to use it as alarm clock.
I am using the Dutty's V4 RTM and Radio 1.27.12.11.
Is there something I can do or do i need to get used to it?
Other than that and the bluetooth not working with my infiniti g35, i love it.
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just hard reset, it may help
I normally do a soft reset every morning when I disconnect my Tilt from the computer, since Active Sync kicks in every so often during the night and drains the RAM by running. . . but it's still between 50 - 55MB, even at that. Other than that, the only time I've had to soft reset is when an app would freeze up -- which isn't very often.
most of the times i soft reset is after installing a program or vice versa when it tells me it needs to do so...rarely will i have to do it cuz it froze or whatnot
I'm in exactly the same boat as bapssystupr3m3, I only soft reset it when an installed application tells me i need to do so.
Other than that, I frequently make sure I close all the apps that are just running in the background and my kaiser appears fine.
Only soft resets when schedule back up comes up daily. Other than the scheduled backup, no resets (so far *knock on wood*).
what's wrong with resetting the phone? It doesn't hurt..
I'm using the stock HTC rom, and can only remember one time when something locked up on me (a third party app) and I ended up soft-resetting, the only other times I've done it have been after installing/configuring new things. I guess in the normal course of things I maybe reset... once a week? Sometimes more, but never for any negative reason.
I'd say the uptime on this device is at least as good as my last Symbian-based phone, and the myth of Windows Mobile being unstable is just that - a myth.
I'm using the stock Tilt rom with just a few things installed and have to reset most days. Yesterday when I woke up I discovered my phone had crashed at 11:30 the previous evening when someone had called me. Today when I woke up an hour late I reset the phone because my alarms hadn't worked nor were the notifications for messages...
I soft-reset once everyday (in the morning). It's part of my daily routine now. I use ClearTemp program to clear everything (start menu, cache, etc.) and then soft-reset using that program as well.
Hey guys
I was wondering, I've noticed that no matter which ROM I flash onto my kaiser, after a couple of weeks it slows down tonnes, it gets really really bad interface lag and all, but after a flash it is speedy and responsive. I was wondering to what extent having lots of SMSs stored and call logs might effect this but it seems in my mind that it should be negligible.
Is this a known bug with a fix or do I just need to reflash every week?
Thanks guys
Rich
Septastrum said:
Hey guys
I was wondering, I've noticed that no matter which ROM I flash onto my kaiser, after a couple of weeks it slows down tonnes, it gets really really bad interface lag and all, but after a flash it is speedy and responsive. I was wondering to what extent having lots of SMSs stored and call logs might effect this but it seems in my mind that it should be negligible.
Is this a known bug with a fix or do I just need to reflash every week?
Thanks guys
Rich
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What Hard SPL version are you using?
You should be using Hard SPL 3.* for WM6.1 ROMs.
Ta
Dave
3.29 ... it's confusing
On the newest dk4 though, whatever that is. Might flash to DK5 later today if I have the willpower lol.
My guess is theres some service trying to do something with the sms messages like indexing and when you have 500 messages it just uses so much system resources everything slows down.
That would explain why when you type to search for a text the results are almost instant. But really the feature isn't that good to justify it being this slow.
You running it with zero installed apps? I'd guess something is misbehaving.
I would assume if you hard reset, the problem completely goes away? I can't imagine it being fixed by flashing.
My Tilt has its fits.. Sometimes it moves very slow and a reset may or may not mostly fix it, other times it just blazes with zero lag. If I look in MemMaid, I see no CPU hogs, ram is reasonable, etc.. Static 6M pagepool... Oh well.
A soft reset almost always fixes it going slow for me. I've never hard reset, certainly not reflashed to get it back up to norm.
Hard reset doesn't really speed it up, but return to m'facturer settings does. Unless that is a hard reset lol. Basically - turning on/off doesn't speed up but holding down softkeys at bootup and clearing off data like you do when you flash does speed it up.
I'm not running it with 0 aps though, I get the bundled apps with the roms. But really its never really mattered which ROM it is.
After deleting a few hundred messages manually, it's sped up dramatically, so I'm going to push the boat out and guess it is actually the SMSs that is slowing it down.
Well, there are several things that will help slow the phone down.
sms messages
lengthy call logs
Temporary internet files
programs that are not totally closed when you close them (check out task manager or battery status)
Things like this slow it down. Oh and a hard reset takes it back to factory.
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Well, there are several things that will help slow the phone down.
sms messages
lengthy call logs
Temporary internet files
programs that are not totally closed when you close them (check out task manager or battery status)
Things like this slow it down. Oh and a hard reset takes it back to factory.
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<pedantic>Hard reset resets it back to the ROM defaults. Factory isn't quite the right word, since he's using a cooked rom.</pedantic>
It seems weird that just 'more data' will slow things down. I mean if you have a PC with a data hard disk, it shouldn't matter whether it has 1gb of files or 500gb of files, the PC should still run just as fast for everything except the tasks which must directly deal with the files i.e. search / defragmentation and that kind of thing.
I'll just remember to delete my SMS messages frequently now, I guess. Seems a shame since the Nokia N95 has no problems holding hundreds and this is supposed to be a superior phone.
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It seems weird that just 'more data' will slow things down. I mean if you have a PC with a data hard disk, it shouldn't matter whether it has 1gb of files or 500gb of files, the PC should still run just as fast for everything except the tasks which must directly deal with the files i.e. search / defragmentation and that kind of thing.
I'll just remember to delete my SMS messages frequently now, I guess. Seems a shame since the Nokia N95 has no problems holding hundreds and this is supposed to be a superior phone.
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There must be some behind-the-scenes processing going on with messages, and other data -- perhaps the phone has to sort them -- who knows?
Anyway when I get a message (which isn't too often) I delete it right away -- and if I need to keep it as a note or a reminder then I'll type it in as a note or as a task.
Which reminds me -- how come we don't have a context menu to turn a SMS or MMS into a new contact, note, task or calendar item??
I can confirm the SMS theory. I think threaded SMS are particularly responsible for slowing down the device. I basically have one person i talk to mostly, which has a very very long threaded sms (basically weeks of SMS in one thread) and my device got very slow and unresponsive as well. This becomes particularly clear when you try to WRITE a SMS! Typing lags, the menu comes up slowly etc. So i deleted the sms thread (left the threads to other ppl which contained like 3-4 msgs each) and it was fine!
I think the phone loads the WHOLE sms, even the parts it doesnt show and that slows things down.
I've flashed my phone maybe 4-5 times since getting it a couple of weeks ago. and the last time i did it was after using it for a few days, so had all the settings for the programs, ringtones, email accts, alarms, wifi settings set up etc.
then ran into a problem and had to reflash, and it took me forever to basically get all my settings back. i vowed to never flash again as long as the rom works fine. well, now there are a few major issues (bluetooth not working, camera black screen) for me and either i'll have to hard reset or flash to a new rom (might as well if i'm going to hard reset anyway). and i'm already dreading the long process of getting the phone setup again.
for those of you that seem to flash every few days constantly, how do you do it? do you just suck it up or get used to putting in all the diff settings?
spb backup could be the thing you're looking for?
i personally dont use it because i dont flash all the time..
I believe certain backup software titles allow you to restore files specifically after a ROM upgrade, I'm not sure how effective this is though.
Also, look out for the UC compatible ROMs. With a bit of knowledge, you can automate quite a lot of things including installing apps, registry cabs, settings etc. It can take a while to setup the script initially but once you have it mastered you can make use of it on different ROMs.