Hey guys
I was wondering, I've noticed that no matter which ROM I flash onto my kaiser, after a couple of weeks it slows down tonnes, it gets really really bad interface lag and all, but after a flash it is speedy and responsive. I was wondering to what extent having lots of SMSs stored and call logs might effect this but it seems in my mind that it should be negligible.
Is this a known bug with a fix or do I just need to reflash every week?
Thanks guys
Rich
Septastrum said:
Hey guys
I was wondering, I've noticed that no matter which ROM I flash onto my kaiser, after a couple of weeks it slows down tonnes, it gets really really bad interface lag and all, but after a flash it is speedy and responsive. I was wondering to what extent having lots of SMSs stored and call logs might effect this but it seems in my mind that it should be negligible.
Is this a known bug with a fix or do I just need to reflash every week?
Thanks guys
Rich
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What Hard SPL version are you using?
You should be using Hard SPL 3.* for WM6.1 ROMs.
Ta
Dave
3.29 ... it's confusing
On the newest dk4 though, whatever that is. Might flash to DK5 later today if I have the willpower lol.
My guess is theres some service trying to do something with the sms messages like indexing and when you have 500 messages it just uses so much system resources everything slows down.
That would explain why when you type to search for a text the results are almost instant. But really the feature isn't that good to justify it being this slow.
You running it with zero installed apps? I'd guess something is misbehaving.
I would assume if you hard reset, the problem completely goes away? I can't imagine it being fixed by flashing.
My Tilt has its fits.. Sometimes it moves very slow and a reset may or may not mostly fix it, other times it just blazes with zero lag. If I look in MemMaid, I see no CPU hogs, ram is reasonable, etc.. Static 6M pagepool... Oh well.
A soft reset almost always fixes it going slow for me. I've never hard reset, certainly not reflashed to get it back up to norm.
Hard reset doesn't really speed it up, but return to m'facturer settings does. Unless that is a hard reset lol. Basically - turning on/off doesn't speed up but holding down softkeys at bootup and clearing off data like you do when you flash does speed it up.
I'm not running it with 0 aps though, I get the bundled apps with the roms. But really its never really mattered which ROM it is.
After deleting a few hundred messages manually, it's sped up dramatically, so I'm going to push the boat out and guess it is actually the SMSs that is slowing it down.
Well, there are several things that will help slow the phone down.
sms messages
lengthy call logs
Temporary internet files
programs that are not totally closed when you close them (check out task manager or battery status)
Things like this slow it down. Oh and a hard reset takes it back to factory.
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Well, there are several things that will help slow the phone down.
sms messages
lengthy call logs
Temporary internet files
programs that are not totally closed when you close them (check out task manager or battery status)
Things like this slow it down. Oh and a hard reset takes it back to factory.
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<pedantic>Hard reset resets it back to the ROM defaults. Factory isn't quite the right word, since he's using a cooked rom.</pedantic>
It seems weird that just 'more data' will slow things down. I mean if you have a PC with a data hard disk, it shouldn't matter whether it has 1gb of files or 500gb of files, the PC should still run just as fast for everything except the tasks which must directly deal with the files i.e. search / defragmentation and that kind of thing.
I'll just remember to delete my SMS messages frequently now, I guess. Seems a shame since the Nokia N95 has no problems holding hundreds and this is supposed to be a superior phone.
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It seems weird that just 'more data' will slow things down. I mean if you have a PC with a data hard disk, it shouldn't matter whether it has 1gb of files or 500gb of files, the PC should still run just as fast for everything except the tasks which must directly deal with the files i.e. search / defragmentation and that kind of thing.
I'll just remember to delete my SMS messages frequently now, I guess. Seems a shame since the Nokia N95 has no problems holding hundreds and this is supposed to be a superior phone.
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There must be some behind-the-scenes processing going on with messages, and other data -- perhaps the phone has to sort them -- who knows?
Anyway when I get a message (which isn't too often) I delete it right away -- and if I need to keep it as a note or a reminder then I'll type it in as a note or as a task.
Which reminds me -- how come we don't have a context menu to turn a SMS or MMS into a new contact, note, task or calendar item??
I can confirm the SMS theory. I think threaded SMS are particularly responsible for slowing down the device. I basically have one person i talk to mostly, which has a very very long threaded sms (basically weeks of SMS in one thread) and my device got very slow and unresponsive as well. This becomes particularly clear when you try to WRITE a SMS! Typing lags, the menu comes up slowly etc. So i deleted the sms thread (left the threads to other ppl which contained like 3-4 msgs each) and it was fine!
I think the phone loads the WHOLE sms, even the parts it doesnt show and that slows things down.
Related
My phone seems to be crashing pretty randomly.
Only this morning did it fail to sound my 3 alarms. Luckily I got up just in time for work, but completely unaided by my phone, which was no longer responding and sounded my alarms after a reboot!
Its pretty vital that this thing works without crashing... something I'd previously asumed was possible with windows mobile.
Anyone got any tips on how to sort this out, I cba having to go by an alarm clock, my old Sony Eriksson had no problems being on 24/7 and giving me 5 different alarms every morning....
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Its pretty vital that this thing works without crashing... something I'd previously asumed was possible with windows mobile.
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i'd have thought the opposite really "Fixed" solutions like nokia & S-E to me usually operate better, cause they have less possibilities/parameters to deal with.
usually my phone (WM2003) and recently my kaiser on wm6 would have random crashes or freeze ups due to either too many programs installed or a specific program that just isn't "fitting in" with the rest.
i know that's a pretty vague answer, but that's probably where i'd start looking first. on my recent kaiser problems, once i reverted to a previous backup (i back up my device every month or so), things were fine again.
how exactly do you back it up? don't think mine came with any software for that...
I use SPB Backup, which seems to work (almost) fine on WM6 (it usually delivers one or two error messages upon completion but has restored backups fine on my kaiser). Sprite Backup is another popular one too, but I had some issues with it on WM2003 and I found SPB to be faster/more reliable.
Anyway, backup software is the best purchase i've ever made, after suffering many crashes & other random events on my XDA II. Usually i'll try to remember to back up every month, but will also do a backup before i make any iffy or major software installations or upgrades. It is also possible to do selective backups of course (PIM data, contacts, e-mails, etc).
I have done the Speed tweek with advanced configuration tool, and all was ok, I started experiencing crashes with the weather and programs menu, so I switched back to default, as the TouchFlo seems to work ok default anyway. Crashes seemed to have stopped but today I started to experience varied delays with the touch flo when coming out of stand by, I get the top bar with the windows logo straight away but the rest of the screen is just black, the delay is sometimes short (1sec ish) and sometimes long (5sec ish) doesn't sound much but when you want to use the device it is highly annoying, done multiple soft resets and pulled the battery out while on too.
Is anyone else experiencing this problem?
Rich
Anyone? any advice at all!!!!
richardirv said:
Anyone? any advice at all!!!!
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advice: dont fiddle with something you dont understand, especially memory allocations.
jasjamming said:
advice: dont fiddle with something you dont understand, especially memory allocations.
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I have only followed instructions from this site, I come here looking for help and everywhere I look your putting people down, how do you know what I know and don't know, I have used XDA's for years, I am not an expert but I can hold my own, but when I need help I thought this would be the place to find help not comments like that!!
I think these tweaks are setting the cash to a value higher than the memory available once you've opened a few programs.
I think whats happening is that because you set the cashe sizes so large the OS allocates the first 50% or so really quickly, then you run out of memory and you get the lag as it empties the cash.
When i get my phone i'll do some proper tests with hard resets inbetween. I would suggest you do a hard reset and start with much lower cache values, then slowly increase untill it breaks again.
The other problem with a huge cache size (fs) is that if the phone does crash you loose all that data in ram, potentially leading to corrupt files.
someone1234 said:
I think these tweaks are setting the cash to a value higher than the memory available once you've opened a few programs.
I think whats happening is that because you set the cashe sizes so large the OS allocates the first 50% or so really quickly, then you run out of memory and you get the lag as it empties the cash.
When i get my phone i'll do some proper tests with hard resets inbetween. I would suggest you do a hard reset and start with much lower cache values, then slowly increase untill it breaks again.
The other problem with a huge cache size (fs) is that if the phone does crash you loose all that data in ram, potentially leading to corrupt files.
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Thanks for a constructive comment, does it matter that I had put the cache settings back to default and uninstalled the advanced config tool but still getting the same problem? Does it remember certain settings? Will probably try a hard reset when I get home tonight though.
Cheers
Seems to have fixed its self now!!!
Hey Guys. My AT&T Tilt phone has become insanely slow over time and when I go to text message people, when im using the keyboard, half the time letters will not register so I will have to wait for it to get up to speed and very slowly type out letter by letter. Also, a lot of the times I will have to press the key multiple times just to get it to be recognized. I was wondering if I flash the phone with a ROM, will it fix this problem?
Usually this problem can be attributed to not having enough free memory on it. try flashing a nother rom and I'll bet that will solve your problem or just clean out your phone.
i took my att rom off, and typing has become so much easier for me..
I use the hyperdragon rom now,
but it is true, u shouldnt try typing a text message when using heavy programs on any rom. it just drains out all the ram that u need.
I'm having the same problem. I have a lot of things installed, but 90% of it is on the card. I have 96MB free on the device. Nothing but ActiveSync is actually running.
Hmmmmm i know ive read many places that more than likely the slowness in typing comes from T9. Search for "Disable T9"....... people have made cabs to bake it easy.
OK. I disabled the "suggest words" option in the settings. I'll see if that helps.
Maybe you guys need to read where to install softwares on pocket pc and also how to backup your pocket pc.
By installing in appropriate locations, the device can be free from junk and even if junk accumulates, backing up pocket pc helps in future.
Regards,
Carty..
Thank you Carty!
I found out why my tilt was laggy! its cuz i installed everything on storage card! even if it was supposed to be installed on the device (aka system files and related system processes)
turning off the word correction did help a little. it's still slow but nowhere near as bad.
try this it worked great for me
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=436795
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OK... I dont know how many times this answer or question has been asked on XDA, but I know for a fact that since i have had my first ever pocket pc phone, the PP-6600, which was about mid-2005, this situation has been a general problem with Virtualy everyone who has ever owned a PPC or
smartphone! (Maybe i will get my name in lights as a sticky post for this answer!!)
BUT HERES THE SITUATION... YOUR PHONE BEGINS TO GRADUALLY BECOME SLOWER. SOON ENOUGH YOU CANT EVEN SLIDE YOUR SCREEN AND ACCESS YOUR KEYBOARD WITHOUT A 30-45 SECOND DELAY, OR IN MORE EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES YOUR PHONE BEGINS TO LOCK UP SO MUCH THAT EVEN A SOFT RESET DOESNT SOLVE THE ISSUE BUT FOR ANOTHER FEW HOURS IF THAT. ON THE MOST EXTREME LEVEL, SOME PEOPLE HAVE EXPERIENCED THEIR PHONE JUST SHUTTING DOWN AND THE WHOLE ENTIRE ROM REBOOTS ITSELF THUS FORMATTING YOUR PHONE, ERASING ALL OF YOUR CONTACTS, PROGRAMS, ETC.
Well please dont blame or consider the rom developer's anymore if you ever thought it was the Rom's fault, or even the pagepool...
But after all is said and done, my phone just lost EVERYTHING and reset itself, and I had well over 1700 messages that i really needed that had alot of important information in them! After calling HTC tech support, and even going to my MSDN buddies, i didnt find anything or any help that i didnt already know... So when i broke down and finally called T-Mobile Billing to see if they could recover in any way my messages from a server... and of course the representative said its not possible.... BUT THEN SHE SAID SOMETHING THATCOMPLETELY ANSWERS AND SOLVES THE PROBLEM OF THAT NEVER HAPPENING AGAIN!!!
For those of us who send and receive LOTS of text messages daily, weekly, monthly..... That is the problem with why our phones begin to bog down, and eventually cause us hair loss and mood changes... LOL... Depending on the model of your phone, and how much Ram it carries with it, the phones are built to AUTOMATICALLY RESET THEMSELVES, as a last resort when it begins to get overloaded with text messages... especially threaded sms, and mms... but the first symptoms of overload is gradual slowdown of how quick your phone either switches to another app, or rotates the screen, or even
keyboard response time... 75% of this is caused by your phone having too many messages stored on it! There's really nothing you can do to remedy this other than deleting half or more of your text messages when u notice this happening, or obtaining some kind of regular pc program which will allow you to sync and download all your messages to your PC and thus allowing u to delete them all from your phone, and free up the excess memory... Now I dont have any knowledge of such a program and i would really LOVE some suggestions if someone knows of such an application... But my point was to address and hopefully solve this ongoing question!...
Now the credits.... Her name is - Tonya P. - and she is now with T-Mobile Billing... but look for her to soon join us, because we talked for over an hour, and she definitely knows ALOT about HTC phones that some of us may benefit from! She used to specialize in HTC phones and was assigned at T-Mobile as a support tech for them...
OK hopefully this post will help some of you...
Ryan
DJ BeatBreaker, Dallas
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Shortened.. but it must be explained in detail to address all the different problems which occur do to this feature...
and you can dispute it all you want fellows, but i have 10 friends who volunteered to help me test this by putting our
unlimited text messaging to the wall... Using mass SMS software, they were able to send me 1500 text messages to my HTC
8925 and that was the starting point for the phone just doing its own soft reset / for non responsiveness!....
At 1791 messages the phone shut down, and all of my customizations/contacts/programs/messages disappeared!! ... The
phone dropped to Athine OS Rom which was flashed before we started the test. But it was really a NAKED copy, which i
DID NOT flash to the phone.... and also i noticed that because of the HARD SPL... it was unable to fully format the phone so instead it just erased all my PERSONAL DATA / CUSTOMIZATIONS ... and the memory tab under settings said 116mb used ... but this has been tested and confirmed... I have no reason to make up a situation that will keep you from texting your heart out... I simply am trying to save some of you the EXTREME HASSLE that i am going through now, because i no longer have any of the information that was saved in my sms messages, and so i am about to lose $15,000 ... all because HTC never explained, or even warned that such a thing could happen!
So if its too long for you dont read it!... Im sure alot of people will thank me for going into so much detail so they could pinpoint exactly which scenario is/has occurred with their phone and can maybe prevent the disaster!
Christian
DJ Beat Breaker
you lost me.
keep it short and sweet
Simple and short...
Delete you old text messages. The allegedly bog your phone down. I say allegedly as mine has over 1000 on there all threaded and it is still a zippy as the day I flashed it.
Psi
Yep, as above it appears (in short) that the poster is suggesting that text messages (and I guess MMS/email too) will start to fill up your storage memory, once the memory is full it may cause your Kaiser to hard reset itself.
...That sounds pretty scary. The worst I've ever had is a popup warning me that 'Storage Memory is Critically Low' - If I take action and clear out old messages/email it speeds up a bit, if I ignore it, applications freeze and the handset is unresponsive until soft-reset.
...Worth bearing a potential autonomous hard-reset in mind just in case though I guess...
Regards,
Rob.
My stock T-Mobile Vario 3 has been performing fine for two years, until yesterday when for some reason Bluetooth would not enable when I clicked on the icon (otherwise the phone seemed fine) so I did a basic Windows shutdown/reboot as I have plenty of times in the past.
The boot initially got stuck on the first white T-Mobile boot screen with the ROM/etc revision numbers on, and would not go any further. I removed and re-inserted the battery and tried again several times, and after a couple of tries it managed to get as far as the first green Windows load screen before sticking again.
I think it must have hard-reset itself at some point during these attempts though, as now it will sometimes go as far as the default "tap screen to calibrate display" message, which I can tap and then see the central cross-hair. If I tap on this quickly enough it sometimes moves the cross-hair up to the top-left, but then it locks and won't do anything else unless I disconnect the battery again. That's the best I've been able to get it to do so far.
Help! Any ideas?
Andre
I came to the conclusion that I wasn't going to get my old system back so I forced a hard reset myself (two soft-buttons & reset hole) and it has now reloaded to factory default, but as least it's working which I rather doubted it would be.
Photos, music etc were all on the memory card, and contacts/calendar info were daily synced to my PC, so there only some old SMSs lost which isn't too bad.
Oh well, I guess I can now look around for a more modern ROM for it (now that there's nothing on there to backup/reinstall). Anyone got any particular favourites? (as there do seem to be a lot around!)
Andre
andrewilley said:
I came to the conclusion that I wasn't going to get my old system back so I forced a hard reset myself (two soft-buttons & reset hole) and it has now reloaded to factory default, but as least it's working which I rather doubted it would be.
Photos, music etc were all on the memory card, and contacts/calendar info were daily synced to my PC, so there only some old SMSs lost which isn't too bad.
Oh well, I guess I can now look around for a more modern ROM for it (now that there's nothing on there to backup/reinstall). Anyone got any particular favourites? (as there do seem to be a lot around!)
Andre
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Since there are a lot roms out there, the only one who knows what is looking for is you..yes...you...Andre because, what's favorite for me probably will not be "favorite" for you, that's why there are so many options out there. Try a couple of them (6.1 or 6.5) it does not take a long time to flash them (< 10 minutes). After that, you will come up with your favorite as many users in these forums. You will definitely will enjoy the flashing and testing the different roms!. That's what I feel LoL