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IrDA

does it really lacks the IrDA port?
I use the irda port on my wizard to download my Polar Data.

Yup, it really does lack IR.
Gordon

Damn you HTC
edgardito said:
does it really lacks the IrDA port?
I use the irda port on my wizard to download my Polar Data.
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Sucks big time. I used my Trinity as a universal remote. I hate it when they replace specs instead of just upping them.

Cutting reduces cost, size and use of battery life.
Most people didn't use IrDA

maybe you can find one for the SD/IO port ?
DLD

RacerX10 said:
maybe you can find one for the SD/IO port ?
DLD
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Thanks but I don't particularly like the idea of stuff sticking out of my sd ports. Besides, (micro)SDIO products are few and far between. They never should have removed it because infrared is still used in a number of different appliances which could double your phone as a remote control. As far as I know, it doesn't take up battery life whilst idle (unless you set it to constantly watch for incoming beams?)...
I sure hope their next phone reintroduces it.

forcedalias said:
Thanks but I don't particularly like the idea of stuff sticking out of my sd ports. Besides, (micro)SDIO products are few and far between. They never should have removed it because infrared is still used in a number of different appliances which could double your phone as a remote control. As far as I know, it doesn't take up battery life whilst idle (unless you set it to constantly watch for incoming beams?)...
I sure hope their next phone reintroduces it.
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Don't like stuff hanging out of mine either!
Sadly, I doubt very much you will see it return in future devices. The TyTn had one, but it's range was veeeery low, just a couple of feet. I have the feeling it's like floppy discs getting as rare as hens teeth.
Mike

Welcome "Industry trends"
Some fool decided that IrDA is a no-go and should be removed from laptops and hence from PDAs since Bluetooth has 100% penetration. Outlook for this was 2007, then pushed to 2008 and now they are talking about 2009... I know my company sells chips with IrDA support for laptops coming out on 2008/9... there is still demand but probably the chipset used for the P4550 does not support FIR (IrDA) anymore...

I am in search for a new device to replace my BlueAngel and have had a look at the TyTn II as well as the P6500 but I am very disapointed to find out that the IrDA is no longer available in the new HTC units. I am using the Ir for several devices like my other phones, Polar sports watch, dive computer etc. so for me the Ir is an essential feature.
Are there any way to get this working, I have not found any external units to connect to the TyTn via mini USB. (Even though I would hate have to have some contraption hanging out of the device.)
As of now I might start consider leaving the HTC-land after 6 years with their fantastic products.
/Ronny
( - Wallaby - Blue Angel - Atom - )

Just wondering if anyone has found a solution/accessory for this lack of IrDA port? I have a Touch Cruise which also lacks a IRDA (Gee thanks HTC). I need to get it to talk to my Polar S625x watch. Anyone found a miniUSB IRDA device?
Thanks

OK, I have read a bunch of posts on the lack of IR abilities and how the Tilt uses BT to beam. I just sent a file from the Tilt to my Hermes via BT and it took about 10 seconds. I enabled IR on both devices and aligned the IR port on the Herm towards the left side of the Tilt and it gave the option to beam, I beamed the same size file and it took less than a second. I am not sure I understand, I repeated the test 3 times with the same result. Any ideas?

has anyone tryed this?
http://www.ameri-rack.com/APA-TFC1m.html
Its a sd to microsd port so you can fit into your sdio irda into your phone. its gona be pretty big but at least that is an option...

External Camera

I'll cut to the chase and save the boring details for the next paragraph: I want an external SDIO camera connected to my Tilt so I can record videos on bike rides. I've searched high and low, and I have a few products in mind. Can anyone tell me if they know of better products?
What I need:
- An SDIO camera which will work on the Kaiser
- An SDIO (standard SD size) to MicroSD cable/adapter (if microSD SDIO cameras do not exist)
- A way to hook up both a microSD card and the camera (if possible)
- A good shell to keep my Kaiser injury free when (and if) I take a spill
- Any other suggestions are welcome.
What I've found:
On Bluetooth Cameras:
So far I've found absolutely nothing in the way of Bluetooth Camera modules (except the following college research paper and patent application by Kodak) so I might be jumping the gun with Bluetooth, but here they are:
http://www.itn.liu.se/~shago/Exjobb/BT_Webcam.pdf [college research pap]
http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/02/kodaks-bluetooth-camera-module/ [engadget on kodak patent]
On MicroSD SDIO Camearas:
I have found nothing on this subject. If there are any microSDIO cameras that you are aware of or are around PLEASE PM, e-mail, reply, call or IM me!
On SDIO camera modules I've found the following:
- HP Photosmart Mobile Camera
This is for an iPaq with Windows PocketPC 2002 or Windows Mobile 2003. It takes video, but will it work on a Kaiser, considering it's a WinMo6 device? It looks like a good option.
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/pscmisc/vac/us/en/sm/pocketpc/FA185A_specifications.html
http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=534595&SiteID=1 [this link suggests that it works fine under winmo5 and is even usable via camera APIs using some discontinued Veo camera APIs]
- eNnovation (LifeView?) FlyCam SD
For this one I have similar fears that some of the prerequisites are not satisfied by the Kaiser. Specifically they list the following:
CPU : Intel Xscale
OS : Microsoft Pocket PC 2000, Pocket PC 2002 and Pocket PC 2003.
The age of the OSes listed and the CPU requirement make me shy away from this one, although the HP seems just as bad when it come to support for WinMo.
http://www.ennovationtech.com/html/flycamsd.htm#F
http://www.msdner.com/dev-archive/144/11-35-1446805.shtm [this link suggests lifeview makes it and there's winmo5 support and an sdk, but the lifeview site is down.]
- Pretec SDIO 1.3MegaPixel Camera
This little card is just another one of the ones I've found. This one says Win PPC 2002 and higher, so I'm guessing it implies WinMo5&6 support, but that's a crap shoot. This camera also features 20fps max depending on resolution while the above two sport 30fps. Not my top choice.
http://www.pretec.com/epages/Store....s/Store.Pretec/Products/OS-CAS#Specifications
http://www.jactron.co.uk/pretec/io/sdio/sd-smartcam.htm
- Veo SDIO Camera
A lot is mentioned about these cams, but they seem to be discontinued and I am unable to find a place to purchase any of these. Would these be better suited? Anyone own one?
- Spectec SDIO Camera
This camera seems to be a 640x480 only discontinued model also. There is a chance that these do not work well with WinMo5/6 at all.
http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=121109 DISCONTINUED
On SD to MicroSD adapters/converters/cables:
I couldn't find any. The closest thing I found was a post on MoDaCo linking to an SD to MiniSD solution. I also found a camerahacker.com post on detailed images which show the pins are pretty much 1-1. I would also like to thank Chainfire who told me this fact ahead of time on IRC in #xda-devs. Additionally, there seems to have been an April Fool's joke about SanDisk making an SD to MicroSD adapter on another PPC device forum. Thanks to them I nearly soiled myself. I am highly inclined to create my own adapter, but feel free to save my time if one exists or is in development.
http://www.camerahacker.com/Digital/Inside_miniSD_Adapter.shtml [CameraHacker post describing pinouts with pics]
http://www.modaco.com/content/Windo...o-purchase-or-make-an-sd-to-microsd-adapter-/ [MoDaCo post related to this same endeavor]
http://www.diatec.co.jp/shop/det.php?prod_c=460 [Japanese site with an SD to MiniSD solution]
On Connecting Both SDIO Device and MicroSD/SD Memory Card
I have not found any information on any device capable of allowing this sort of chaining an SDIO card with an SD card. I did find a WiFi card and a GPS card which allow a pass-through to a microSD card. None of the cameras listed above had this capability listed, and I did not see it in any of the pictures (although I could have missed it?).
On Protective Cases
I found two suitable solutions for this, and I'm leaning toward BoxWave's Armor Case as it has a screen cover as well. They're both around $30.
http://www.boxwave.com/products/armorcase/armor-case-at_t-tilt_2906.htm [BoxWave's Armor Case]
http://www.tiltdepot.com/a/att-tilt-metal-cases/monaco-aluminum-case-_4-23--3294.htm [Monaco Aluminum Case]
So far this is what I've got, and the idea is that I would mount the camera in my helmet, connect the SDIO connector to a cable that runs to my pocket where it converts to MicroSD and plugs into my Kaiser. I would like to get this project together so I can record some videos of upcoming rides. If you know of any better suited products or shortcuts that I can take please reply!

notten:
Here is something I've been looking at to record videos on bike rides.
http://www2.oregonscientific.com/shop/product.asp?cid=0&pid=709&scid=86
The big drawback is all the reviews say the video quality is not very good..

Using your 'Kaiser' as the recorder for video I would have thought is a little impractical.
Firstly the mini-SD card is not SDIO compatible even if you could get an adapter. Secondly, you have to find some way of protecting both camera and phone. Thirdly, any wireless connected camera (BT or WiFi) will be of low quality due to transmission rates/resolution restrictions (Check out my thread on connecting a Linksys network camera with peer to peer).
I advise you to Google 'Sports video camera' as there are some good packs out there. Then you can convert the video at a later date for viewing on any device.
Not really the answer you wanted but someone else may come up with something.

The microSD slot not being SDIO is slightly disappointing. Are you sure about this? I wanted to have the phone record GPS along with video, so standalone devices wouldn't really do the trick. Thank you both for your replies. So far it's not what I wanted to hear.
Additionally I cannot find any of the cameras I listed except the HP on sale anywhere. The HP Photosmart camera can only take pictures through an SDK which makes the whole project even less viable.
Are you certain the Kaisers don't support SDIO over the microSD slot?

My bet, and this is a gut instinct, is that none of those camera's will work under WM6. Wasn't the processor and achitecture different on the PPC systems to the newer WM6 hardware? I seem to remember programs came in XScale, ARM and other versions depending on the processor your device carried so it would stand to reason that something designed for a XScale processor wouldn't be to happy with an ARM processor. Course I could be way off base here!
The fact that so many phones, PDA's etc these days come with built in WiFi, Camera's, Bluetooth etc would make the market for add-on devices such as this rather small and its unlikely people would waste their R&D time building something for a rather small market place.
How about something like these?
www.helmetcamera.com
www.helmet-cameras.com

OK, now I know I am pushing the envelope here but Coreplayer have said that they have solved the Qualcomm driver issue for streamed video and that the upcoming version (1.2) of Coreplayer works perfect with the 'Kaiser'.
I would bet that if you can find a 'Rugged' housing for any Linksys camera with reasonable resolution, you can have a good peer-to-peer link in your pocket!!!
Hey! wishful thinking for the New Year???
OH, one thing you have to remember on ANY camera setup! How do you record.....

Honestly, I hope you are correct. I will definitely try the Linksys camera if Coreplayer delivers the updated punch to the video streaming. When it does I will come bug you to test the Linksys camera. With good video it's likely to be my solution. Also, I have a very good buddy who might help me fab an aluminum enclosure for the camera.

notten said:
Honestly, I hope you are correct. I will definitely try the Linksys camera if Coreplayer delivers the updated punch to the video streaming. When it does I will come bug you to test the Linksys camera. With good video it's likely to be my solution. Also, I have a very good buddy who might help me fab an aluminum enclosure for the camera.
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Well the Linksys WVC54G I have is only a poxy 320x240 cam but as I said in the thread, if you can find a Linksys cam with good resolution it should have the same stream available.
OK, I know Crimble is coming up but I will try to set up a 5V portable supply and test this out for you.....(only cause it looks like I'm doin summat good but you have me REALLY interested now for myself, SMILES).
EDIT; How often do we need GPS waypoint ties to vid recording do you think?? (Soz, brain running on...)

A qvga camera will do for me, but the VWC is just way too large. I don't think I can get those to comfortably stay on a helmet without looking outrageously falmboyant.
If there's anything in 640x480 that will stream to TCPMP and fit on a helmet I'm buying it. What exactly is this Crimble? I couldn't find anything on it, but I'll try to build a portable power supply myself if necessary.
As to the GPS waypoints on video: I'm looking to record cool rides and have the playback showing my location. I think I might've unknowningly stolen the concept from Indy 500, which sends some sort of local positioning system for the camera overlays they do with the races. I wonder what else could benefit from this.

notten said:
A qvga camera will do for me, but the VWC is just way too large. I don't think I can get those to comfortably stay on a helmet without looking outrageously falmboyant.
If there's anything in 640x480 that will stream to TCPMP and fit on a helmet I'm buying it. What exactly is this Crimble? I couldn't find anything on it, but I'll try to build a portable power supply myself if necessary.
As to the GPS waypoints on video: I'm looking to record cool rides and have the playback showing my location. I think I might've unknowningly stolen the concept from Indy 500, which sends some sort of local positioning system for the camera overlays they do with the races. I wonder what else could benefit from this.
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Ahh... Crimble is my home location's (Yorkshire, England) acronim (you know, you use those in the US) for Christmas!....
Just buying a camera and using it is not in the 'METHOD' of XDA, if we can get it to work, WELL, then we take the guts and suit it to our purpose. If I can't do the hardware, I am sure somone else will look into that. One task at a time...Lets get a good image with GPS tags...

RedFly drivers for USB video

It looks like RedFly has drivers to communicate video and keyboard through the USB port!!
I bet these drivers could be used for any computer, such as the Asus EEE - with a bit of work at first, of course.
I've always wanted a large screen for my WinMo, and it looks like it is on the way!

is this as we have got?
there must be someone out there that can turn a eee pc into a redfly clone

eagerly waiting for such a WinMo driver, (linux or windows on the EEE side), that allows using the EEE screen at native resolution ,for buying an EEE.
I want it!!!
redfly: really good idea, but not at that price point!

redlfy price is a little high
I'm hoping to have one in the next week or 2, i will post a review.
FYI - the video appears on redfly in native resolution (i.e. the resolution of the tilt" and works both via USB and Bluetooth

pho said:
FYI - the video appears on redfly in native resolution (i.e. the resolution of the tilt" and works both via USB and Bluetooth
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I may be wrong, But my understanding is that video appears on redfly at 800*480, not at native tilt qvga 320*240.
So, redfly soft to be installed in PDA must have something similar to RealVGA, a proggie that changes Windows Mobile resolution,
I´d be happy having on the EEE a 640*480 piece of screen real state for Mindows Mobile remote screen ( with real crisp VGA, not just upscaled QVGA!) and the remainin screen real state for underlying linux/windows desktop

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I may be wrong, But my understanding is that video appears on redfly at 800*480, not at native tilt qvga 320*240.
So, redfly soft to be installed in PDA must have something similar to RealVGA, a proggie that changes Windows Mobile resolution,
I´d be happy having on the EEE a 640*480 piece of screen real state for Mindows Mobile remote screen ( with real crisp VGA, not just upscaled QVGA!) and the remainin screen real state for underlying linux/windows desktop
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i wish it were true - there is upscaling for regular programs email even web browsing but for video - it plays native 320.240 this has been confirmed in the reviews so far of the unit
but like i said hopefully i will be able to show you - i expect to hear by thursday if one is shipping to me soon

The Redfly has a software that has to be installed on the phone to make it bigger and better quality, however it doesn't work for video playback. Plus I found out it doesn't work with Skyfire Browser.

pho said:
i wish it were true - there is upscaling for regular programs email even web browsing but for video - it plays native 320.240 this has been confirmed in the reviews so far of the unit
but like i said hopefully i will be able to show you - i expect to hear by thursday if one is shipping to me soon
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Thanks for sharing the info. Then redfly is a no-no because I can get a similar size,fully capable, PC (EEE) for much less money, and use either SOTI or Mymobiler with a 2x Zoom factor.
Next step would be using Kaiser as a SideShow device for EEE:
funny:using the PC for controlling the Kaiser, and using the Kaiser for controlling the PC!
LOL!!!!

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The Redfly has a software that has to be installed on the phone to make it bigger and better quality, however it doesn't work for video playback. Plus I found out it doesn't work with Skyfire Browser.
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it better work with opera or thats a deal killer

Posted using my Redfly and Opera Mini...
So the Redfly experience so far is good. Not great, but good. This is a new product so inevitably it should get better provided Celio (mfg'r) listens to user communities like XDA.
Pros -
Instant On
Instant Connect with USB and BlueTooth
Usable Screen Size/Experience
Usable Web Browsing
Keyboard Controls (Alt-Tab, Windows Key, Function Keys)
Size for Experience
Light Weight
Long Battery Life
Cons -
Does not replace a full fledged PC (if you're expecting that)
Amplifies limitations of WinMo outside of its native form factor (I'm running Sleuth 6.1 on a TyTN II)
No Video/Audio playback on the device
If you're looking for a full fledged PC experience out of this, its not going to happen. IMHO given natural progression of technology and improvements in WinMo devices (SW and HW) this could take the place of a laptop eventually.
For those looking at this vs an EEE or something similar, I'd like t see them put the PC up to their ear to take a phone call, also your still carrying two devices which are mutually exclusive vs a single device with an auxiliary piece of hardare that enhances the experience of the core device (only when needed).

Just a thought on USB host

I read the posts on usb host on Diamond and so far everyone is of the opinion that the hardware is there but not the drivers, or thats my impression
Would it be possible to take a HTC model, say, HTC athena, and dump the ROM and extract the cab for usb host ( if there is one, its just my wild guess), and modify it on the Diamond?
i dont know, just a guess
so far I am so pleased with the diamond (coming from Kaiser, the diamond plays videos MUCH better, I dont have to compress the .avi and can play it right away, and the audio player is so much more user friendly and the audio booster is a huge plus), I find the most limitation coming from the 4 G internal storage (papago takes up 700mb, and with 1 .avi film plus about 10 mp3 albums the space is gone for good)
if USB host can be activated on Doamond then you could just carry your films around on a small storage card, and that would make the diamond a really powerful device
Any thoughts?

I'm interested in that, too... Why don't you just try it?
As soon as my xda arrives I'll start investigations, maybe opening the thing to get to know what usb controller is inside.

REDFLY-Help me Help me:-) JK, have a look

Hey guys,
I got an e-mail last week about a gadget that seemed too good to be true but I just had to bite at a $200 device that promises a full keyboard, touchpad, screen, and USB ports to my HTC. Got it late yesterday and it does as promised and a pretty good job at that, but does open up a new can of worms. The resolution of the screen is WVGA 800 X 480, and looks reeeeeeeally nice on that apps that run, but the ones that do not will fail out because of this higher resolution mode by telling you the app will not support it or getting a microsoftish error that when the code is looked up means the same thing. Mobile Explorer runs, Opera does not, Garmin XT and Tom Tom do not, File explorer looks like you are on a real laptop and is great, but even the today screen does not look just exactly right. The thing connects either by USB or bluetooth, the later being good even for browsing but graphics intensive stuff you better plug in. She is fast, well as fast as the phone is, and consumes almost no system overhead at all which is surpriseing for what it is doing. Plug in a 16 gig stick into the USB and you have 'external storage' on file explorer, and sure enough it is there and works great, but at 1mbps so if you want to stream mp3 from it to your phone you better plug in. So basically this is a great gadget but someone with good understanding of WM should write drivers for this resolution, and amazingly they seem to be for each app and not the entire OS like big Windows ;-)

Try this
http://www.celiocorp.com/content/?page=TodayScreens