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Why Opera?

I have Opera on my Kaiser. 26 days to go for free.
But I have problems being motivated to buy the version.
Anybody an opinion?
Have no problems with IE till now. But maybe I am missing some important features.
Huib

Have you tried "Opera Mini" ?
If not, try it, you will never go back to IE
It is super fast, very compact, and works, also with that neat zoom/unzoom!.
Again, the browsing and rendering speed of Opera Mini is superb.

Drag and scroll.
Highlight and copy text
Save images
Successfully renders web pages more frequently than does the IE - IMHO

herpi said:
I have Opera on my Kaiser. 26 days to go for free.
But I have problems being motivated to buy the version.
Anybody an opinion?
Have no problems with IE till now. But maybe I am missing some important features.
Huib
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Try scrolling down a long page with PIE and you will know why Opera Mini is better. PIE almost grinds to a halt after the first screen or two has scrolled up.
EDIT: Update to above entry. PIE now has a fix for scrolling issue - downloadable here: IE Slow Scroll Fix for Kaiser_Tilt.cab
Mike

mikechannon said:
Try scrolling down a long page with PIE and you will know why Opera Mini is better. PIE almost grinds to a halt after the first screen or two has scrolled up.
Mike
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Gotcha!
Tested them both with a longer page and the difference is clear.
Thanks for your input.
Huib

Hi!
can Opera-mini and other apps be run from the memory card satisfactorily?
i.e are they slower?
I wonder if my other applications such as Resco Explorer 2007 and Code Wallter can be run from the card too?
Ofiaich

Don't take what I say as gospel but when I had Opera installed on the SD card it didn't function completely correct - like didn't follow email links correctly along with a couple of other glitches etc.
Likewise I have always been a bit hesitant to install things that operate so cloely with the OS, like Resco Explorer, to the card. They have always seemd to work much better on the main memory. Just my opinion.
Thus I have Opera mini and Resco Explorer installed on the main memory while just about everything else I have on the SD card.

jcrompton!
Thanks very much! Sounds good to me, and I have space in the main memory!
I will get on and download Opera mini !
Ofiaich

Opera Can Handle Regular Youtube!
Please Dont quote me on this, but if i am correct, Opera (paid version, not mini) can render many types of complicated flash websites including Youtube(Yes the regular one not youtube mobile). I say this because i tested it for myself, a while ago on my mda vario or vario 2 (sorry cant remember). What seemed to be a slight problem though was, it ran out of memory frequently (ram) and as such the program would not start if other applications were running in the background.
Opera users on WM6, your reviews and thoughts on this are much appreciated!

gogol;1566087 said:
Have you tried "Opera Mini" ?
If not, try it, you will never go back to IE
It is super fast, very compact, and works, also with that neat zoom/unzoom!.
Again, the browsing and rendering speed of Opera Mini is superb.
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Do you mean Opera mini or Opera mobile?
looks like mini is for phones not pocket pc's
??

jcrompton said:
Do you mean Opera mini or Opera mobile?
looks like mini is for phones not pocket pc's
??
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I have Opera Mobile... Are ppl actually saying to try Opera Mini? I will if thats the case.. But it's made for phones not WM6 devices.
JB

opera mini? that's a java midlet. why wouldn't it work on the kaiser?

gogol said:
Have you tried "Opera Mini" ?
If not, try it, you will never go back to IE
It is super fast, very compact, and works, also with that neat zoom/unzoom!.
Again, the browsing and rendering speed of Opera Mini is superb.
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OK - so I just figured out how to get Opera Mini work via the Java app under programs -- have you been able to get email links and other http links to automatically be opened by Opera Mini - I made some registry changes to get Opera Mobile to be the default browser, can you get Opera Mini to do that ? (wasn't sure since it is buried as a Java program)

stryker1355 said:
Please Dont quote me on this, but if i am correct, Opera (paid version, not mini) can render many types of complicated flash websites including Youtube(Yes the regular one not youtube mobile).
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Well you asked for it. I am going to have to quote you. Youtube does not work on my 8925 in Opera, neither the moble specific version (says media file type not supported) nor the full youtube site. Ugh.

I agree that you wouldn't really want to use Opera Mini on the Kaiser....Opera Mobile though is the bomb! I just wish it was free like the Mini version is, but it's good enough to pay for anyway. PIE just is not very good at rendering most webpages.

opera is very good browser but the built in pie some times show websites better than opera example http:\\www.xda-developers.com

maryjos said:
I agree that you wouldn't really want to use Opera Mini on the Kaiser....
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I don't agree , it's superbly fast, it's free and it has good viewing settings. For straightforward surfing it's fine. I say give it a try you may be surprised.
Mike

Does opera support flash videos?

mikechannon said:
I don't agree , it's superbly fast, it's free and it has good viewing settings. For straightforward surfing it's fine. I say give it a try you may be surprised.
Mike
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Are you able to "auto" load links like from an email

swamp2 said:
Well you asked for it. I am going to have to quote you. Youtube does not work on my 8925 in Opera, neither the moble specific version (says media file type not supported) nor the full youtube site. Ugh.
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I just hit YouTube with Opera on mine and any 'watch now' links open the video for streaming in WMP. Is that normal?

Opera slow to make http requests?

Hi,
Does anyone else find that when you click on hyperlinks in opera, it can take an absolute age for the request to hit the server? I seem to get a fair amount of the HTTP request timed out messages on many popular sites.
A lot of the time clicking on the links does nothing and you have to keep hitting them until it succeeds.
Once you do finally make a request that hits the server the response is very fast indeed.
The problem is definitely to do with making the requests, its not a case of it sitting around waiting for the browser to render the page.
(am on o2 hsdpa with hsupa enabled)
anyone else?

there are 2 opera browsers one called mobile and one called mini
the one called mini is a java app which transfer all requests passed the opera server for comrpesion to be faster and i guess that can cause latency

ahh,
Im using Mobile 9.5 on the 1.37 rom.

Are you sure that it's opera and not e.g. O2 at fault? Have you tried the same site in PIE?

as rubbish as pocket ie is, i never have the problem in ie or opera mini.

The built in opera browser is chronic slow getting the requests out. Downloading is great but clicking links takes forever.
It's annoying because my P1i was blistering fast and I'm starting to see kinks in the browsing experience on the Diamond.

agreed, even on wifi its the same. waah

Skyfire - The next big browser?

Hi,
Skyfire is a free, downloadable mobile web browser that allows you to experience the internet on your phone exactly like on your PC. Now, you can use the full web from your mobile phone with unprecedented speed and simplicity – without the typical restrictions and limitations that current ‘mobile web’ efforts offer. It’s “The Web”, not some mobile web. (Taken from their site)
The best feature in this? "Unlike other mobile browsers, Skyfire supports the desktop version of Adobe Flash applications so sites, including those that serve-up video and music, are rendered exactly as you would expect - just like your PC."
Now... Will Opera support flash or not, we can always install this on Xperia - or any windows mobile - to get flash support for sites...
NOTE: I just read in the main forum the following: "Please note that this board does not tolerate cracks, serials, pirated versions or the posting of software that should have been aquired by legal means and we will remove (delete) them when found. Please help us keep this site clean by posting links of that sort in this tread as well as telling us if you have found anything on the ftp site."
So in light of that, i have removed the link to download Skyfire via RapidShare from here. Anyways, i'm sure if you register on the site, you'll get your hands on it - since even i got it and i am in Pakistan!
Best regards.

This is all well and good, but currently, skyfire doesn't support VGA or WVGA devices!!! Is there a fix/workaround to this?

fpbiii said:
This is all well and good, but currently, skyfire doesn't support VGA or WVGA devices!!! Is there a fix/workaround to this?
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It doesn't? Well it's a Beta, so hopefully will soon.

Wow thanks for telling me about this. I installed it and it looks very promising. Not to mention the pages load really fast.

Kloc said:
Wow thanks for telling me about this. I installed it and it looks very promising. Not to mention the pages load really fast.
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Because they optimise the most common pages on their server
It's a really nice app

Kloc said:
Wow thanks for telling me about this. I installed it and it looks very promising. Not to mention the pages load really fast.
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Awesome!!!!

Well after using it for a few days I switched to Opera Mobile bet 9.6. I actually like it quite a bit better then skyfire. Yes skyfire load pages faster then anything I've seen but zooming on those pages takes time and trying to scroll is bad. Opera's new program takes full time to load the page but once it's loaded the scrolling and moving is very good.

In case you can't download this, then i just updated the first post with a rapidshare link to download this.

Skyfire has shut down nonUS winmo 1.5 server access as of July1, 2010. Android v2 still works in Australia. Have found an alternative but costs ~$30 after a 7 day trial, Mach5 Web @ www.netacceler.com. This is a Hongkong based server and may encounter some geolocking by some sites (such as ABC.net.au iview). This is the only video enabled browser for winmo that I'm aware of. It doesn't 'remember' usename and passwords as Opera does.

in the past , i used to LIKE skyfire. Why? because it supports flash and other stuffs. it plays videos on other sites not just youtube. What I don't like about it TODAY is that it does not allow other countries, like the Philippines to use it. now I'm stucked at old opera. so sad.

And it still suffers from the very issues that have been there since it's introduction (checkboard issue, slowness of scrolling and zooming...). Sadly one more app among many others for which development has been stopped due to the imminent lauch of Windows Phone 7. I think now we definitely have to face the fact that our platform (Windows Mobile) is dying.

Which Opera version?

There are so many Opera versions out there...
The one I have been using 15316. Before that I was using some other version, I can't remember which.
Anyway, I am tired of this flipping the screen upside down everytime I exit it (in landscape).
Which is the best version to use on a Tilt?

SaltyDawg said:
There are so many Opera versions out there...
The one I have been using 15316. Before that I was using some other version, I can't remember which.
Anyway, I am tired of this flipping the screen upside down everytime I exit it (in landscape).
Which is the best version to use on a Tilt?
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I was using Opera 9.5 beta 2, and hated the whole widget mess that they created, so I rolled back to beta 1. So far no complaints.

TelloMan said:
I was using Opera 9.5 beta 2, and hated the whole widget mess that they created, so I rolled back to beta 1. So far no complaints.
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Where can I get it? What is the build number?

Just a tip, build 15233 ripped from the Omnia worked very well in the short time I used it. There was no screen flipping problem, and it was very stable. It also supported zooming by sliding your finger on the side of the screen. I think the real reason I stopped using it was there was some kind of text reflow issue when you zoomed it though. It has no widgets, although it installs a shortcut to the non-existent widgets, so you need to delete it.
However, I currently use NFSFan's build 15316, which I like due to its 10 tab support and speed. However, as a trade off, it suffers from the screen flipping problem if you minimize it or touch the taskbar while using it. And I definitely agree with TelloMan about the widgets, they just waste space and annoy me. Try to keep looking around XDA, especially in Development and Hacking (where I found many opera builds).
Dave

Yeah, NSFan's 15316 is the one I'm using now. The screen flipping is driving me crazy.
It's hard to believe there isn't one decent browser for Windows Mobile. Anyone know what's going on with that Firefox Mobile?

you're referring to "Minimo" by Mozilla. I haven't seen or heard much lately from them. There's some opera builds are fairly close to perfection depending on what irritates you the least amount. Too bad none of them has flash working perfectly yet. If I had to choose 2 browsers for WM, it would be netfront and opera mobile

well... call me heretic, but imho for casual browsing and forums the best one is opera mini and if I need to use my bank's web page or anything more complicated iexplorer is reliable enough. additionally, I have skyfire installed on my memcard just to make sure that I can browse whatever I want.
the answer? opera mini and skyfire in my opinion. I am tired of o.mobile bugs and new builds every few days/weeks.

Actually, I think he is referring to Fennec, not minimo. Minimo was horrible and requires very high specs, while Fennec, which is still in alpha/early beta, is very unstable yet very promising. It will be quite a while before it will be really usable. I would just stick to opera mobile for now. Skyfire works well, but isn't 100% stable. Opera mini is fast, but not full featured.
As I said, Fennec is very promising, but it is extremely unstable and VGA only for now.
Dave

bronx said:
well... call me heretic, but imho for casual browsing and forums the best one is opera mini and if I need to use my bank's web page or anything more complicated iexplorer is reliable enough. additionally, I have skyfire installed on my memcard just to make sure that I can browse whatever I want.
the answer? opera mini and skyfire in my opinion. I am tired of o.mobile bugs and new builds every few days/weeks.
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I agree about Mini i use it for pretty much everything then for sensitive info use Mobile.
"I like fast pages and come from SP stock so used to the Mini approach"

I used to get annoyed by the text flipping, but Manila2D always corrects the screen back to portrait when you hit the homescreen. I've been using that as my bandaid.

Build 15233 is yummy
DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
Just a tip, build 15233 ripped from the Omnia worked very well in the short time I used it. There was no screen flipping problem, and it was very stable. It also supported zooming by sliding your finger on the side of the screen.
<snippy snip snip>
Dave
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Like Dave was, I just got build 15233 running per the instructions at
http://www.smartphonemag.com/cms/blog/9/tutorial-everything-you-need-know-about-flash-lite-3-and-playing-back-flash-web-videos
and it is by far the best browser experience I've had on my Tilt yet. Flash even worked on http://www.spezzo.com.
It isn't very fast, but compared to IE and the first Minimo, this actually WORKS. I can switch from mobile versions to desktop versions, zoom and scroll, and it uses my IE favorites.
AT&T Tilt
Windows Mobile 6.1 (Build 19199.dutty's)
Thanks XDA good guys!

Skyfire 2.0

Hey I did a search and didn't see that any one had started a thread on this so I figured I might as well.
http://www.skyfire.com/
The Skyfire browser brings the desktop web experience to the phone, but until today Android phone owners were unable to share in that experience. Skyfire 2.0 has been released today for the Android platform, and the full Flash experience (sorry Jobs) is part of the package. Skyfire uses server-side page rendering to bring web pages to the phone screen looking like they do on the desktop. Video streaming also works with few compromises, according to the developer.

skyfire 2.0 beta
heres the apk
enjoy

wow thank you.

and skyfire again carries on the tradition of being flash capable and a solid browser. this thing is awesome.
Sent from my T-Mobile G1 using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk

woooo, playin worldstarhiphop.com videos
THANKS FOR THIS

I like how it acts like the default browser but still is way faster than any other webkit browser out there

I must be doing something wrong, because this thing is so slow, I've never actually had it successfully open a bookmark before I give up and close it...btw, not allowing a close when you back arrow from the main screen is not consistent with the way most apps work.

not downloading
hi iam trying two down load Skyfire 2.0 but no joy. its starts two download on my phone but 20mins later no joy can u help plz
my phone is samsong galxy s 19000