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Update of TouchFLO by HTC (with video)

It says the updated version of TouchFLO will be launched in European market first, and then to Asia. More sensitive and fluent.... waiting
http://www.pocketpc.com.hk/news.php?id=1393

Isnt That Just The Same But With The O2 Skin?

Looks pretty much the same except the new skin/colour scheme. Performance doesn't look that different from what's already on our current Diamonds.
In fact, you can see (from the video) that launching Messaging is still slow. Showing the virtual keyboard is still slow. Overall, a lot of lags...

That is definately NOT the newest ROM- Version of the Diamon, the Video is a few weeks old. There will be Videos with the new ROM soon on http://www.theunwired.net/.

There may be hope yet for TouchFlo then
I was just about to remove it.

Lol - that site is not Firefox friendly - it insists I use IE7. Good thing I have the proper extension
And, by the way, I think the black version looks waaaay better!

someone1234 said:
There may be hope yet for TouchFlo then
I was just about to remove it.
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I took mine off via the settings ie today...its just too damn slow for my liking but i havent applied the tweaks you mentioned in the other thread so when i get a chance then ill turn it back on.
Only problem is now it isnt so easy to get to the programs you want to lol...you have to go through the start menu to get to say the internet etc.

Spawn12 said:
I took mine off via the settings ie today...its just too damn slow for my liking but i havent applied the tweaks you mentioned in the other thread so when i get a chance then ill turn it back on.
Only problem is now it isnt so easy to get to the programs you want to lol...you have to go through the start menu to get to say the internet etc.
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Its alot better with the tweaks but I'm still seriously considering switching to this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=399391&page=3

someone1234 said:
Its alot better with the tweaks but I'm still seriously considering switching to this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=399391&page=3
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Wow that looks pretty damn good that does...i tried without touchflo and adding things to the normal today screen but it just doesnt look right...i guess i missed that clock and weather program too much lol.
Hmmm now im thinking of doing it myself. The more i play with this phone the more i fall in love with it...i think im gonna keep it to be honest...the bugs and quirks arent so bad...you kinda get used to them. Im quite surprised that ive taken to this phone as i was never a fan of WM but more of a symbian fan but since i first saw this phone...i knew i had to get it. Question is whether or not ill get the Xperia X1....silly question...i know ill be getting one of those then selling either the diamond or sending the Xperia X1 back...
The only major niggles i have with the phone is the lagginess of touchflo but as i said i havent applied those tweaks you mentioned...once i have then ill be in a better position to make a judgement. Also the phone seems to lock itself if you leave it etc, and the only way to wake it is by pressing the power button...dont know if theres a way of fixing that little issue.

Chatbox said:
Looks pretty much the same except the new skin/colour scheme. Performance doesn't look that different from what's already on our current Diamonds.
In fact, you can see (from the video) that launching Messaging is still slow. Showing the virtual keyboard is still slow. Overall, a lot of lags...
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Yep agree with you there, i have a Diamond with the newest rom and the touchflo is still quite laggy..i just tried opening the messaging and it does lag quite a bit.
Fingers crossed that HTC try and improve it some more with future rom updates.

Bye bye Touchflo3D

First I need to say that I really liked Touchflo3D a lot and I didn't stopped using it because it looks bad or may slow down the Diamond a little bit.
I stopped using it because it reminds me too much of the iPhone...unfortunately minus the iPhone usability.
After I went back to the "classic" stylus and thumb operation, my lost happiness using the Diamond returned back. I also enjoy to be able again to easily read all my appointments and tasks which was almost impossible with Touchflo3D.
Tochflo3D looks great, in my opinion better than the iPhone GUI, kudos to HTC for that.
Unfortunately it doesn't offer the same comfort and usability of the iPhone GUI, so it is useless to me. Once HTC succeeds in integrating WM6.1 into Touchflo3D(or vice versa), I may give it another try but right now, it is just a fancy but pretty much useless GUI which reminds me too much of the iPhone comfort and usability and which of course starts to annoy me once I realize that it doesn't work even close to how good the iPhone GUI works with touch operations.
So if you're annoyed by Touchflo3D but still use it because it looks so nice...STOP using it, you will be much more happy with your Diamond, believe me. Once Touchflo3D is gone, you don't compare it to the iPhone anymore, reminding you of the "good old" stylus/thumb operation days and how good the Diamond can be used that way compared to older devices.
Try it, you may love it.

Good call.
I have done the same and only really miss the cute SMS graphics...
HTC obviously CAN do good interfaces as the old TouchFlo was excellent, but this one just isn't quite there yet, and also feels somewhat fiddly compared to the iPhone.
In the meantime the TD runs much better without TF3D, and you can start realising its full potential. Also you are not tempted to use their somewhat flaky audio player etc and can start to look at other alternatives.
If you want gestures and nice graphics, try SPB Shell 2. Works very well and looks great.
Otherwise, try using the device as the WM6 phone it so obviously is, and start to enjoy it...

from the first i didnt like the Touchflo3D its buggy so i disable it and use the normal mode

Yeah, I do fully agree to that!
The "classic" windows mobile interface looks very well on the diamond,
and without TF3D it's fast as hell!

Spb mobile shell is the best interface.
Touch Flo 3d was slow and killed the diamond.

Have to agree with most of the posts in here, TF3D is nice but its such a resourcce hog that after almost a day of using the Diamond...the phone becomes so sluggish even with the tweaks enabled.
Im seriously considering going to the normal non tf3d screen as it doesnt eat as much memory/resources as the tf3d does.
Seriously just try leaving the phone for most of the day and u will see that from 50% it goes up to 70% and makes the phone very sluggish.
Saying that i do hope HTC fix it with a future rom update or perhaps one of the guys in here can do it becuase its a nice interface when it works.

Registry switch for toiuchflow3d?
Does anyone have the registry switch details for touchflow 3d? Thanks.

windows mobile is one ugly thing and the stylus...no thanks...
when i get the touch pro..tf3d it is.

pilib said:
Does anyone have the registry switch details for touchflow 3d? Thanks.
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What do you mean? It's a Today plugin, just disable it...

pedmond said:
What do you mean? It's a Today plugin, just disable it...
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well, disabling it doesnt give us more ram, does it?
i hope that new rom cookers can find us a solution to freed up the ram so that we can use it for other applications

ruffruff said:
well, disabling it doesnt give us more ram, does it?
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What do you mean? Won't give us more RAM, indeed, but will free quite a bit of the existing one...
Note to self: stop using the "what do you mean" expression...

The elusive obvious!
Pardon my earlier stupid question re a registry switch for touchflo. It is of course, as pointed out, simply a today plugin, easily disabled by a t(h)ick!

Well, apparantly some people haven't heard of flashing your phone. My TD with TF3D is fast as hell with my new rom.

Hi
I also disabled Touchflo3D. Is there another possibility to access the weather-application from Touchflo3D? Or does anybody know a similar programm running with WM 6.1?

after you install spb mobile shell, how do you disable/remove touchflo? and make spb shell the default one etc

Settings-today-items:check SPB and remove the check from tf3D ..DONE!

Yzord said:
Well, apparantly some people haven't heard of flashing your phone. My TD with TF3D is fast as hell with my new rom.
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Which ROM are you using?

Using TLR now, and I really can't stop using TFLO3D.
It's damn fast here, and really, getting the everyday things done (read sms, read mail, launch a navigator, make a picture) TFLO3D is really, really good.
No buggs at all, and really fast. The first ones were a bit sluggish, but I can wipe my finger "left-right-left-right" in 1 second, and TFLO3d follows it perfectly.
In terms of usability for me, it gets at least 8 out of 10. There are some things I miss, like reordering my tabs and GETTING A DECENT CALENDAR but for the rest its great.
It brings back the simpleness of a mobile phone to the foreground, while still you have a suberb device at the background.

I quite like it too but I do miss the exact things you have just mentioned. I'm not looking for a replacement, but I do wonder can it be hacked so we can get more out of it? Or must we wait for HTC to listen to our cry for help. This is my first HTC device so I don't know, but from what I hear we should not be holding our breath. This surprised me, as I buy other HTC's for my staff at work, and HTC's reputation to me was exemplary, and they are the market leaders. Then I came here, and now I hear so much bad stuff about them.

Riel said:
Using TLR now, and I really can't stop using TFLO3D.
It's damn fast here, and really, getting the everyday things done (read sms, read mail, launch a navigator, make a picture) TFLO3D is really, really good.
No buggs at all, and really fast. The first ones were a bit sluggish, but I can wipe my finger "left-right-left-right" in 1 second, and TFLO3d follows it perfectly.
In terms of usability for me, it gets at least 8 out of 10. There are some things I miss, like reordering my tabs and GETTING A DECENT CALENDAR but for the rest its great.
It brings back the simpleness of a mobile phone to the foreground, while still you have a suberb device at the background.
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You never used an iPhone, did you?
I'm using the TLR ROM too but Touchflo3D is C.R.A.P..
I owned WM phones before(TyTN, TyTN II, i780, etc.) and I like Windows Mobile, version 6.1 is really a good step towards a finally very well working phone OS, I just can't wait to see WM7. Like I said before, Touchflo3D LOOKS great, much better than the iPhone GUI but operation SUCKS bigtime, not even close to iPhone. Don't forget that HTC started the whole "touch" series because of the iPhone, not because people really asked for it. That said, a comparison to the iPhone is mandatory and yes, I know, the display technology is completely different and WM6.1 lacks a proper finger touch operation API, right.
I removed Tochflo3D because I wanted to have an almost perfect "classic"(stylus, sometimes fingers) Windows Mobile phone, not a half-bread iPhone wannabee.
What can I say? I'm a happy camper now, especially since I can for example see five different calender events on the same page without having to touch the unit.
Regarding Touchflo3D improvements: I'm not sure we're going to see substantial improvements to the usability(speed isn't really the issue), unless some genius programmer finds a clever way to cope for the different display technology and missing "real" finger usage API of WM6.1. I also wish somebody here on xda-developers with brains and time on this hand could "integrate" WM6.1(icons, etc.) much more into Touchflo3D, so Touchflo3D doesn't look and feel sometimes like a simple GUI "cover" only.
I'm pretty sure that Windows Mobile 7 will be the answer to all our questions and hopes but til then...well...hello Touch Diamond II or whatever it's name will be.

Today Widgets for Kaiser?

Ok so this is actually my first time posting in a long time. i do regularly flash the great roms on this site and use the cabs that are presented here. wonderful work guys.
ok so my question is, is it possible for someone to write some software for some widgets like the ones on the new Samsung I900? I know that it runs off WM 6.1 Pro. But is the today screen widget system a flash program? or built in somehow? it would be so cool to have something like that on the today screen of my 6.0 kaiser. ive seen so many different UIs its hard to name them all. they are all pretty cool in their own ways, but if someone made this as a cab that would be awsome. i know someone will be dumping the I900 rom sometime soon. hopefully!!!!
thanks,
vince

i dont get it, so nobody thinks this is possible? any takers....bueller...bueller...

Two suggestions...
Link to what you're asking about so someone can possibly make comparisons.
Don't be annoying/insulting.

Links to view widgets on OMNIA i900
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i8NfY_HXas

riiight... i wasnt trying to be annoying or insulting. i figured a quick search on youtube wuold have informed anyone about the phone in question. seems simple enough to me.
well. the Omnia I900 is a new phone that is being put out by Samsung. If you watch the video posted above youll see the widgets that i am talking about. they seem to be flash based. sort of like the ones in vista. i wonder about how much memory they take up. the phone has some other cool things as well like the screen rotate transitions. i love the one from this device. hope some programmers here can chime in on this one.

tazbo28 said:
riiight... i wasnt trying to be annoying or insulting. i figured a quick search on youtube wuold have informed anyone about the phone in question. seems simple enough to me.
well. the Omnia I900 is a new phone that is being put out by Samsung. If you watch the video posted above youll see the widgets that i am talking about. they seem to be flash based. sort of like the ones in vista. i wonder about how much memory they take up. the phone has some other cool things as well like the screen rotate transitions. i love the one from this device. hope some programmers here can chime in on this one.
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Apart from the dragging and dropping of widget from the sidebar, everything else is able to be reproduced on wm6 using various methods. rlToday and MobileShell are starting points. The i900 is not that great of a phone.

I figured out the Widgets app is called TouchWiz. i was wondering if anyone has been able to make a cab out of this? i would probably use it if it were available. ive tried a lot of shells, launchers, plugins, they are all cool but none seem to be the end all OS-replacement. by that i mean that they cant do everything yet. some will do some things good and others do other things good, but none do everything good! i know its a lot to ask for from just a shell, but if the next iphone (not 3g version) is any good with a 3rd party following thats growing, i might jump on. its gonna take some great plugs and an awsome os update to keep me on the windows mobile wagon.
i really wish they would start to try and move away from teh stylus usage on their future OS versions. like the Omnia. this would make alot of people happier i think.

snachez said:
The i900 is not that great of a phone.
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really, why?

badaas said:
really, why?
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-Price - Currently over $1,100 in Australia vs. TyTnII free on most caps. Ouch.
- Poor finger menu navigation. Like most WM6 devices, the underlying OS is designed for stylus use, not thumbs. Comes with a stylus but no slot to put it in the phone.
- No physical keyboard, and dodgy software keyboard which cover 3/4 of the screen making it impossible to see what your typing underneath.
- Haptic touch is cool, but the glossy body is really bad (good?) at collecting fingerprint smudges. Carrying a cloth all day is pretty lame too.
- Battery life is ok, except when using GPS or 3G/HSDPA- reports of going from 100% to fully flat in under 40 mins while using satnav & about 3 hrs talk time on 3G. Cant personally verify this because I only played in-store for about half an hour - google around though..
- Can't use it as a bluetooth HSDPA modem for laptop/PC. Even my 5 yr old nokia can do this..
- Annoying automatic screen orientation, way too sensitive when you moving your arm around and the screen starts freaking out and spinning.
- Reports of random shut downs. Cnet reviewer had 2 in 3 days & pressing the Power On button does not help - have to physically remove and re-insert the battery to reset it.
- Useless "widgets" - Stock ROM does not include Calendar, Messaging or mainstream apps. Like the nazi-esque licensing for the iphone app store, you're not allowed to add / develop non-Samsung-approved apps. So for the time being you have a fancy looking but useless desktop. Standard WM6 "today" screen & various plugins is much much more usable.
Bottom line is its fashion over function. Some will love it, but there's too much iPhone mentality going on to even consider it for folks like me (I like to tweak and fiddle with everything to make a system that suits me perfectly - way better phones already out that can do this easier (TyTnII, imho) )
I do like the camera though, and the weird not-quite-VGA 240x400 resolution.

I agree. I am not interested in flashing a new ROM but would rather customize a few features usings cabs and so forth.
There are some widgets that I would like to use myself. This is very similar to the Vista sidebar that I have become familiar with and appreciate now.

Hi,
i found the related widgets, on rapidshare or megauload.it works fine
on a Qvga pda, but on mine (I780) i have resolution problems
Bye
Herc.

yeah i found a thread in the general-hacking and development section where someone has already made a cab for the widgets. after installing you have to reset your device for them to appear in the today plugins selection. the widgets are really cool but not being able to edit the apps they control at the moment kinda sucks. some of them dont do anything because they are supposed to be connected to programs in the Omnia I900

Spb Mobile 2.0 vs Tf3d

I'm not really gettin used to touchflow yet and I'm checking out other options. So... Lets get down to business:
The things that bugs me in touchflow are:
1.the todayscreen not being able to show more calendarevents.
2. the sms screen, the whole layout really
3. The mediaplayer
4. The alarm, every aspect there as well
I know that there are substitute programs for most of these problems BUT as I have to go in and select the appropriate program I fail to see the advantage of Touchflow..
The things I love with Tf3d are its speed and beautiful graphics and they will be soarly missed if I would go with another shell.
Are there any other touchfriendly options?
What are the pros and cons with Spb mobile shell 2.0? Especially regarding these issues!
Yours sinceraly
Adis Hardis

Sorry but I think you're a bit lazy. Why don't you just download a trial of spb mobile shell and see for yourself?

To be fair, I think he wants opinions..
SPB Software always rates highly in my books, I used to use the Shell on my Hermes. My girlfriend used to hate it, as it restricts access to the main features of the phone unless you kill it off.
But I guess if you tweak it to how you want it, then you never need to access the back end of the phone, pretty much like the HTC one I guess.
SMS's are visible (at least the count) on the main screen, and link direct to the pocket outlook folder
Media player - There's non built in, so again it's just a link.
Urm, Alarm again is built in.. Unless you put SPB time on??
Guess its worth a try! There's plenty of support on their forums, and hundreds of themes for it

I'm no expert in these areas but can I install spb without uninstalling? (and loosing all the settings and so forth). Cause thats my main concern!
Lazy or not, thats what forums are there for in my opinion, to get input and help...
Adis Hardis
Ps
Thank you MikeSel

Yeah you can, there simply 'today' plugins so you can disable one, and enable the other.. Make an informed decision and then dump one if you like.. Or just keep both, and leave one disabled
Have fun, and give me a shout if you get stuck!

Nice, I'm on it, thanks for your help Mike!
Peace
Adis Hardis

i just recently installed SPB mobile on my diamond and i love it a lot more then TF3D. I thought TF3D was great at first, but it a shame it's not configurable even with TF3D advanced config etc installed. Only the very basic functionality is available. It does look very good though and maybe the future could hold great things for it. But for now and the near future SPB mobile is the winner for me
-it's better and more customizable
-it's got lot's of good plugins
-the latest version got guestures like touch flow
-runs smooth as silk
-great animation without slowdowns
-all of the functions are easy accessible

Tried spb 2.1 for a week, but changed back to tf3d.
For my use, tf3d its enough and mobile shell, is atm a bit slower than tf3d and i dont like the default look. And with a better looking vga skin its slower than the first versions of manila, so i stay with tf3d.

Why you use Manila?

I still can't understand why you people use and like Manila? It's old UI already ~ 2 years old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmj-Rv-U-tw
just look at this video, look what you can do with SPB + 6.1 mobile + Xperia. It's 10 times for usefull than any Manila. It's faster, no bugs! No sleep death and etc! I was using Manila for 4 month, and after 2.5 LEO i understood that this idea of interface is dead ( HTC understood it too, that's why the created Sense UI on Android )

i still prefer plain 6.5 (titanium) without manila for it's functionality.
i use manila just to show other people that my x1 can still go further with regards
to customization and eye candy (an overused phrase by the way )
same goes for spb.
what i dont like is too much scrolling and too much flips before you get to touch the app you're actually looking for.
but to each his own
btw, how old is spb?

biernes_atrece said:
i still prefer plain 6.5 (titanium) without manila for it's functionality.
i use manila just to show other people that my x1 can still go further with regards
to customization and eye candy (an overused phrase by the way )
same goes for spb.
what i dont like is too much scrolling and too much flips before you get to touch the app you're actually looking for.
but to each his own
btw, how old is spb?
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lol truth...

can you please share a guide how you got it set up like that please.

tay200k said:
can you please share a guide how you got it set up like that please.
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+1... please i want it too

just for eye-candy only i guess ...

Seems like trolling to me...
I use manila since I can see all the info I want at a glance and it's easy to get to the data and apps I want with a single slide or tap or hardware keypress (two for less used apps, three for least used, which is good organisation since it matches how we function in real life). There are shortcuts on Leo today screen and the interface is very intuitive. You don't have to "learn" where things are or spend hours setting it up... Enough reasons?
I guess if I wasn't flashing my device so often I may use something that takes time to set up, but is very customisable like SPB, but... I flash a LOT.

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+1... please i want it too
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Μe too... Just for change!!

Oobly said:
Seems like trolling to me...
I use manila since I can see all the info I want at a glance and it's easy to get to the data and apps I want with a single slide or tap or hardware keypress (two for less used apps, three for least used, which is good organisation since it matches how we function in real life). There are shortcuts on Leo today screen and the interface is very intuitive. You don't have to "learn" where things are or spend hours setting it up... Enough reasons?
I guess if I wasn't flashing my device so often I may use something that takes time to set up, but is very customisable like SPB, but... I flash a LOT.
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What he said.

In my opinion titanium is terrible, SPB shell looks very nice but ater 2 weeks i back to manilla.
Why?
In my opinion newset manilla aka HTC sense not only looks better but also is much more intuitive. HTC also prepared many soft within which SPB simply doesnt'have at all forcing to instal elternative ones.
As i have Diamond also it gives more reasons to use. Main is that only manilla audio manager works without problems with orginal HTC headphones.
I know that SPB shell is fast, manilla slow but despite of it manilla is more complex, easier to configure, more popular with much better XDA support.
Of course not everyone like it, so U can always change it for another ;-)

I don't understand the hype about Manila / Sense, also.
Well i looks nice, but thats all, imho it ist not very usefull for quick accessing Contacts, SMS or System Information.
I'm a great fan of PointUI Home2, which runs very smooth and offers a lot of the functionality i need.
Just my 2 cent.

I installed it but the only thing that changed, is the bottom bar... The clock??

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I still can't understand why you people use and like Manila? It's old UI already ~ 2 years old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmj-Rv-U-tw
just look at this video, look what you can do with SPB + 6.1 mobile + Xperia. It's 10 times for usefull than any Manila. It's faster, no bugs! No sleep death and etc! I was using Manila for 4 month, and after 2.5 LEO i understood that this idea of interface is dead ( HTC understood it too, that's why the created Sense UI on Android )
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what noob shot this video?
ever heard about macro mode?
this video only causes headache.
besides is there still the bug with the buttons' alignment of "sence ui" in landscape mode (you can't see that in the video!)?
ps: I don't like manila either.
besides, you can have sense with titanium as well (http://www.modaco.com/content/i9x0-...o-com/294091/wm6-5-skin-wqvga-titanium-sense/)!

AndiCP said:
what noob shot this video?
ever heard about macro mode?
this video only causes headache.
besides is there still the bug with the buttons' alignment of "sence ui" in landscape mode (you can't see that in the video!)?
ps: I don't like manila either.
besides, you can have sense with titanium as well (http://www.modaco.com/content/i9x0-...o-com/294091/wm6-5-skin-wqvga-titanium-sense/)!
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thanks and sorry that i made a video and didn't asked you, and sorry that i don't have a good camera. Sense on titanium can't compare anyhow with sense on SPB IMHO. Yes there is bug with button align but...i myself use landscape only wile typing and win mob sms app works in landscape - you knew that?

I use manilla because I can't buy Pointui 2 pro. I'm from Germany and don't have a mastercard, paypal or everything else. Thats the fact.
cemetry

I only use Leo for the twitter integration. I love my news on the go right there with no reason to open an app.
Coming to think of it, that is the only reason why I use Leo but lately im thinking about going back to the default xperia rom.

cemetry said:
I use manilla because I can't buy Pointui 2 pro. I'm from Germany and don't have a mastercard, paypal or everything else. Thats the fact.
cemetry
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i only use pointui home free 2.1.0.4 since it doesn't have this nasty activation screen every startup and imo it is good enough. i do not really miss any 'pro' features. if you have any questions do not hesitate to contact me.