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New Cing 8125: ipl 2.25 / spl 2.25 - which downgrade works?

The desire is to CID unlock the 8125 so the phone can be Summiter-ized. This was new-in-the-box from Cingular:
ipl 2.25
spl 2.25
GSM 02.25.11
OS 2.25.11.1
I saw faria's post http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=47848 but it states this won't work above 2.21.
I believe I can downgrade to the 1.08 original stock image posted in the FTP area, but I'm not certain this will work. I read where someone tried downgrading and the spl remain 2.x and things didn't work out so well. This is where I read it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=50768&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75
The quote directly above is from the lokiwiz0.3 thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=50768 - but no one's actually confirmed it will unlock Cingular's latest ROM. Folks there just mention up to about 2.21 or so and the thread shifted to talk about the G4 chip and it's challenges.
Has anyone with a new Cingular phone tried lokiwiz0.3? Or how about CID unlocking anything higher than a 2.21 ROM? I'd just try this myself, but I'm stepping a buddy through this remotely. I can carry him all the way with URLs, cool cabs, and tweaks, all I need help with is something I haven't personally had to face - I don't wish to brick his phone.
Thanks for any testimonials!

Is it G3 or G4 phone? If it's a G4 phone then you can not downgrade to 1.x Rom as they don't include G4 bootloader.

kyphur said:
Is it G3 or G4 phone? If it's a G4 phone then you can not downgrade to 1.x Rom as they don't include G4 bootloader.
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It's G3; there's no trailing decimalization on the ipl / spl.

I have the same ipl/spl, and the unlock tool did not work for me, i would also like to know if its possible to downgrade this rom...

Give it a try.
I think you might need to replace one file, "RUUGetInfo.exe".
Try this:
Download the Cingular 1.8 Rom.
Rename it from *.exe to *.rar
Open the rar and extract the files into an empty folder.
Replace the "RUUGetInfo.exe" file with the attached one.
Run RomUpdateUtility.exe
If everything worked it will think you phone has ver 1.2 Rom so it will allow the 1.8 upgrade.
As always, try at your own risk...

Is this the rom i should be using? ftp://xda:[email protected]__RUU_Wizard_1050412_WWE_101_11210_WWE.exe
Im having problems finding the original Cingular 1.8 rom anywhere...

virtualsandwich said:
Is this the rom i should be using? ftp://xda:[email protected]__RUU_Wizard_1050412_WWE_101_11210_WWE.exe
Im having problems finding the original Cingular 1.8 rom anywhere...
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No.. Not CID unlocked, use the Cingular 1.8:
ftp://xda:[email protected]/Wizard/Roms/Cingular/Cingular_RUU_1.8.11.1.WWE.ship.exe
before downgrading to a 1.x rom be sure your IPL/SPL version DOES NOT END WITH .0001

kyphur said:
virtualsandwich said:
Is this the rom i should be using? ftp://xda:[email protected]__RUU_Wizard_1050412_WWE_101_11210_WWE.exe
Im having problems finding the original Cingular 1.8 rom anywhere...
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No.. Not CID unlocked, use the Cingular 1.8:
ftp://xda:[email protected]/Wizard/Roms/Cingular/Cingular_RUU_1.8.11.1.WWE.ship.exe
before downgrading to a 1.x rom be sure your IPL/SPL version DOES NOT END WITH .0001
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hi friend...
did you manage to unlocke the pda?

faria said:
hi friend...
did you manage to unlocke the pda?
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If you are asking me, mine has always been CID unlocked, just trying to help the new guys a bit...

kyphur said:
faria said:
hi friend...
did you manage to unlocke the pda?
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If you are asking me, mine has always been CID unlocked, just trying to help the new guys a bit...
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haa.. tough it was you

Alright i got it unlocked without replacing RUUGetInfo.exe, i downloaded the 1.8 rom, the phone took it without problem, then Lokiwiz worked like a charm after downgrading the rom. THANKS!

virtualsandwich said:
Alright i got it unlocked without replacing RUUGetInfo.exe, i downloaded the 1.8 rom, the phone took it without problem, then Lokiwiz worked like a charm after downgrading the rom. THANKS!
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So just to be clear, you had a brand new store bought or telesales Cingular 8125 CID locked with ipl / spl 2.25 and you simply re-flashed it with the stock Cingular 1.08 ROM - and it worked?
If you haven't re-flashed already, would you mind sharing the ipl / spl (and other) versions?

100Tbps said:
virtualsandwich said:
Alright i got it unlocked without replacing RUUGetInfo.exe, i downloaded the 1.8 rom, the phone took it without problem, then Lokiwiz worked like a charm after downgrading the rom. THANKS!
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So just to be clear, you had a brand new store bought or telesales Cingular 8125 CID locked with ipl / spl 2.25 and you simply re-flashed it with the stock Cingular 1.08 ROM - and it worked?
If you haven't re-flashed already, would you mind sharing the ipl / spl (and other) versions?
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humm ....yes... i would like to know that to...

Latest G3 Cingular ROM update worked
It works for me too. I just ran lockwiz3.0a to unlock SIM, than downgraded to ver 1.8. Then run lockwiz 2.0b to unlock CID and then install latest custom AKU3.0 ROM. Thanks everyone contributed to that forum.

Work for me. Here's what i did to my new (warranty exchange) 8125 with IPL/SPL 2.25
- unlock SIM lock with Lokiwiz03a
- downgrade to 1.08 with Cingular_RUU_1.8.11.1.WWE.ship.exe
- it now has IPL 1.08 and SPL 2.25
- unlock CID with Lokiwiz02b
- upgrade to PDAMobiz AKU2.3 v120 (the best ROM i've tried so far)
I believe you could skip SIM unlock with Lokiwiz03a and unlock both SIM and CID with Lokiwiz02b after downgrade to IPL1.08/SPL2.25.
dont know why other people in Lokiwiz03a thread said not to do unlock if IPL and SPL are not the same and will brick the phone. may be he had G4 chip.

kanate said:
dont know why other people in Lokiwiz03a thread said not to do unlock if IPL and SPL are not the same and will brick the phone. may be he had G4 chip.
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G4 phone can't downgrade at all. 1.x Roms do not have G4 Bootloaders.
A few users have had problems when their IPL/SPL versions don't match. So there is the possibility that you will brick your phone.
Did you bother going into the OS on the phone at all after the downgrade to unlock? or did you just connect it to USB and run lokiwiz?

kyphur said:
kanate said:
dont know why other people in Lokiwiz03a thread said not to do unlock if IPL and SPL are not the same and will brick the phone. may be he had G4 chip.
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G4 phone can't downgrade at all. 1.x Roms do not have G4 Bootloaders.
A few users have had problems when their IPL/SPL versions don't match. So there is the possibility that you will brick your phone.
Did you bother going into the OS on the phone at all after the downgrade to unlock? or did you just connect it to USB and run lokiwiz?
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Sure thing, you need to sync and go into the OS to install EnableRapi.cab in order to use Lokiwiz02b anyway.
After it's downgraded to IPL1.08/SPL2.25, I let the phone customized itself with all those cingular things and reboot again and install EnableRapi.cab and run Lokiwiz02b to unlock the CID

I have the IPL/SPL 2.25 version of the 8125 ROM.
For some reason, after unlocking with lokiwiz03a, downloading and unpacking etc the 1.8 ROM, i run it and get an ERROR 202: Connection, that it doesn't find my phone
The phone IS connected, synched etc etc. Could this be a problem because I'm running windows vista?
hmm.
edit: with windows xp, I can begin the flash (my 8125 goes to the tri-color, displays IPL and SPL of 2.25, but then the program throws an ERROR 260: UPDATE ERROR, then tells me the recovery steps (it always jsut boots to WINCE after this.)
Anyone know whats up?

Quote:
"Work for me. Here's what i did to my new (warranty exchange) 8125 with IPL/SPL 2.25"
key words being warranty exchange?
or will this work on a brand new one?
just thought I'd ask
and to Clutch: how's the phone now? How exactly does one know of the Ipl/Spl #'s?

I believe as long as it's G3 chip (IPL & SPL don't end with 0001), it should work.

Some help please

I am pulling my hair out here...
I have an 8125, with the following
Sim Carrier and Rom = T-Mobile
IPL/SPL=3.08
GSM=01.12.10
OS=1.5.4.2
Rom Version=1.5.4.2 WWE
Radio Version 01.12.10
I followed the two main tutorials on how to SIM and CID unlock, got both my IPL and SPL to match, flashed in the TMo Rom and thought all was good.
Now I was poking around and see that it is not a 2.26 rom that is on there but it is a 1.5.4.2. So what do I do, I go to
http://www.t-mobile.com/wmupgrade/
to get the Mobile MDA Software Version (2.26.10.2)
and when I run the file that gets downloaded, it gives me a
ERROR [296] : UPGRADE ONLY
Now, does it see that the phone is infact not an MDA and is a 8125 and does not like it?
So now from this point, (I have done my research and forum search, and RTFM many times so pleae dont blast me) what do I need to do to get the updated 2.26 rom, and eventually get up to the WM6.
I appreciate all the help, as I am seriously ready to have phone meet wall.

177media said:
I am pulling my hair out here...
I have an 8125, with the following
Sim Carrier and Rom = T-Mobile
IPL/SPL=3.08
GSM=01.12.10
OS=1.5.4.2
Rom Version=1.5.4.2 WWE
Radio Version 01.12.10
I followed the two main tutorials on how to SIM and CID unlock, got both my IPL and SPL to match, flashed in the TMo Rom and thought all was good.
Now I was poking around and see that it is not a 2.26 rom that is on there but it is a 1.5.4.2. So what do I do, I go to
http://www.t-mobile.com/wmupgrade/
to get the Mobile MDA Software Version (2.26.10.2)
and when I run the file that gets downloaded, it gives me a
ERROR [296] : UPGRADE ONLY
Now, does it see that the phone is infact not an MDA and is a 8125 and does not like it?
So now from this point, (I have done my research and forum search, and RTFM many times so pleae dont blast me) what do I need to do to get the updated 2.26 rom, and eventually get up to the WM6.
I appreciate all the help, as I am seriously ready to have phone meet wall.
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You have already flashed newer bootloaders that 2.26. You have 3.08. Why do you need to go back to 2.26? IF you are CID unlocked (did you take your bootloaders down to 1.xx then run lokiwiz, and then bring them up to 3.08?) you should be able to flash your WM6 rom now. Have you tried?

Zzan said:
You have already flashed newer bootloaders that 2.26. You have 3.08. Why do you need to go back to 2.26? IF you are CID unlocked (did you take your bootloaders down to 1.xx then run lokiwiz, and then bring them up to 3.08?) you should be able to flash your WM6 rom now. Have you tried?
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I think he upgraded the IPL/SPL alone from button's 1.01 and now can't flash any ROM since 3.08 can't handle 1.5 OS.
My advise is to flash IPL/SPL 1.01 and from there flash a 2.26 but... there are a lot of people mentioning IPL 3.08 and SPL 1.xx meaning that IPL won't allow to downgrade. I think it's up to him...

my understanding is that you shouldn't be going to an ipl/spl of 3.xx unless you are flashing from an ipl/spl of 2.xx. (based on thread information from old roms of molski and faria, last days of wm5 roms).
if possible, you should try to reflash back to 1.05 (i think they were customized so you shouldn't have problems).
official t-mobile roms won't let you downgrade to my understanding...at least not from one official t-mobile to another official (3.08 --> 2.26 or 2.26 -->1.80).
so...retry to flash buttons 1.05, then move up to 2.26...and then if you really want to flash again to 3.08.

That is exactly what I figured out last night.
When I RTFM where it says EDIT STEP 17: Flash to 3.08 .......
I took that as a instad of thinking that it contained the 2.16 rom as well as the IPL/SPL upgrades.
So I went through reflashed both back down to buttons 1.05 and then reflashed back up to 2.26 and then to WM6, everything is dandy and it is all becuase of the wonderful people here. I can not say it enough. This place is the greatest! And thank you all yet again.

I'm glad you managed to save your phone. Not many these days by counting the number of "Help" threads
Can i ask you to please give something back to the forum? please check my signature and visit the "Data crashes" solution thread. Tx

Definitly will.

Help. Ive got a Brick !!

Can anyone please help with my brick ? ? ?
I tried to go to WM6 by unlocking the CID and the phone - so far so good. Read that i needed IPL/SPL 2.xx or higher so set off to search. Found IPL/SPL 3.08 so installed those to my phone. Then tried to upgrade to the WM6 official rom found on these very pages. Now every time i flash i get update error 302 at 99%.
Im almost sure its the IPL/SPL but i have nothing to backtrack to and not a lot to back this theory up as im still a newbie in the ROM area. My original versions were 1.02 each as i have a G3 O2 XDA Mini ( wizard )
im really stumped and phoneless at mo so ANY help would be grateful for.
Thanks
Andy

you say with the wm6 oficcial there is not a official rom for wizard tellme what rom do you used

AndyG said:
Can anyone please help with my brick ? ? ?
I tried to go to WM6 by unlocking the CID and the phone - so far so good. Read that i needed IPL/SPL 2.xx or higher so set off to search. Found IPL/SPL 3.08 so installed those to my phone. Then tried to upgrade to the WM6 official rom found on these very pages. Now every time i flash i get update error 302 at 99%.
Im almost sure its the IPL/SPL but i have nothing to backtrack to and not a lot to back this theory up as im still a newbie in the ROM area. My original versions were 1.02 each as i have a G3 O2 XDA Mini ( wizard )
im really stumped and phoneless at mo so ANY help would be grateful for.
Thanks
Andy
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I bet you went from 1.02 to 3.08 without stopping at 2.xx
Maybe that's the cause?

but he says than he flashed with the oficcial rom there is no oficcial are agree

Hi Guys,
Thanks for the quick replies.. I used
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310954
( about quarter way down it says official download site for WM6.0.0)
Mestrini - Yes i went straight from 1.02 to 3.08 coz i cannot find the V2.xx IPL/SPL files but i have found the updater solely for the IPL/SPL to 3.08 which is what i used.
is that any use ??

flash your phone with the tmobile 2.26, that should correct your issue. It will also give you the 2.26 version of spl/ipl

ok if you had a cid unlocked device search in the forum for the t-mo 2.26 ipl/spl after you can update for the rom as you tell
en joy it

Thanks for the advice guys, ive tried several different roms and i have a consistent problem where it will not let me change the rom as ( i think ) my SPL version is still 3.08 and every ROM bombs out with "this is an upgrade only"
help me downgrade my IPL/SPL back to 1.02 pleaseeeee
cheers.
Andy

jb007jb
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Default Do Not Upgrade To 3.08 !!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi,
i have T-Mobile MDA and Im stuck with spl 3.08
I did everything.......... and I mean EVERYTHING and nothing helps me bring back my MDA to the original T-mobile software or downgrading the SPL.
1. Downgrading my IPL to 1.01 (using button rom)
2. Unlocking CID with lokiwiz (successfully)
3. Running button rom again
The SPL still stays 3.08 after doing the above...
If there is another way to downgrade the SPL 3.08, please let me know. I really need the T-mobile original rom version.
Thanks so much.
IPL 1.01
SPL 3.08
GSM 01.12.10
OS 1.5.4.2
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I see jb007jb has exactly the same prob i do. i have done everything he has and am still in the same situation - IPL 1.02 & SPL 3.08?
dont suppose anyone can cook up and IPL/SPL downgrader like the one i used to upgrade to 3.08 can they coz with SPL3.08 i cant downgrade ROMS coz i keep being told i need to acquire a newer ROM for my device
Thanking everyone who has taken the time to contribute
Andy. ( looking hopefully around too ;o) )

AndyG said:
I see jb007jb has exactly the same prob i do. i have done everything he has and am still in the same situation - IPL 1.02 & SPL 3.08?
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Thats your problem, reflash the 1.02 rom again, both IPL and SPL have to be the same.

hey nottoosmart
i know... i need to find a way to drop the SPL back to 1.02 or thereabouts. i cant flash back to the T-Moblie 2.26 ROM coz it says my SPL is too high. i upgraded my IPL and SPL using a rom updater now whatever i try i cannot drop the SPL version.

AndyG said:
I see jb007jb has exactly the same prob i do. i have done everything he has and am still in the same situation - IPL 1.02 & SPL 3.08?
dont suppose anyone can cook up and IPL/SPL downgrader like the one i used to upgrade to 3.08 can they coz with SPL3.08 i cant downgrade ROMS coz i keep being told i need to acquire a newer ROM for my device
...
Andy. ( looking hopefully around too ;o) )
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Maybe, just maybe, the O2 ROM may help you. Please see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1379884&postcount=2 That post is from vippie - so you know that you can rely on it!
kernelguy

Downgrade Locked G3 with 3.08 IPL/SPL

I have read the guides to unlocking and from what I see there are none that work on 3.xx SPL/IPL. I was able to downgrade the IPL but never the SPL.
I have seen several threads that say if you flash button rom (several times) it will eventually downgrade the SPL also, but all night as I worked I flashed the button ROM (about 12-15 times) and still can't downgrade the SPL from the 3.08, only IPL goes to 1.01
Tried the original Cingular ROM and it isn't accepted (I think because I have a higher SPL than the original 2.26), tried using the ShellTool, Tried SoftSPL too but none worked.
IS THERE A WAY TO DOWNGRADE THE 3.08 SPL SO THAT I CAN USE THE LOKIWIZ02 OR LOKIWIZ03. I saw a thred saying that 3.08 can't be downloaded but I also saw SEVERAL saying to just keep insisting with the Button rom that it will eventually work (but after almost 15 consecutive tries I've had it).
Any help would be GREAT.
thanks
MGF
IPL 1.01
SPL 3.08
GSM 1.12.10
OS 1.5.4.2

Button ROM doesn't work for that. I tried numerous times too. The only ROMs that work to downgrade to anything else from 3.08 are the OEM releases from either T-Mo or AT&T.
The Cingular ROM isn't accepted because it checks the OS version number. I had to try several peoples' ROMs until I found one with a low enough version number to where the Cingular ROm could flash on top of it.

Try to flash T-Mobile 2.26 to bring it down to ipl/spl 2,26 then go for button's 1.05,hope it'll do the trick.
Good luck
p.s. you can try the wizard_love_Rom also,lol

I want to downgrade my phone, too. but the original T-Mobile AKU2.0 say while reading the phones ROM-Version "only update"... so, with this no downgrade is possible.
How can i CID unlock with AKU3? I want to flash a new ROM from xda-developer as well... damn
Regards
Thomas

You could probably extract the nk.nbf and use the standard tools to flash it.
The nk.nbf can usually be found in a .tmp folder in c:\documents and settings\yourname\Local Settings\Temp

Thanx for your Hint... but which "Standard-Tool" should i use?
Sorry for this silly question, but i am new in experience with my vario

imate kjam
hello, i am new enterent on this forum and need help for, have imate kjam G3 IPL/SPL 1.xx os 1.1.9.3 device and i want to upgrade with latest WM 5 SE 3.8.2.1. Can i upgrade this OS without facing any prb i.e CID/sim locked prb??? kindly adivice to me what is the right way to upgrade my imate kjam (t-mobile) thank you.
best regards
farry

Unless you are using official kjam update, otherwise please CID unlock your G3 device first, or you will face problems.

thank u for advice, but how to CID unlock first before upgrade the rom, any tool for apply to unlock?? plz help
regards
farry

Is this normal?

I'm sorry if this a repost or not, but i'm currently following the Upgrade procedure for windows mobile 6, and it required me to downgrade to the button rom. Everything went smooth, but i wonder. The guy in the tourital says that my IPL and SPL is one on 1.xx and another on 2.xx, as mine is both at 1.xx. i have the T-mobile MDA version, and I'm following the G3 tourital. Currently now it's just sitting there, should i continue without worry or do i need to do it over again to get one at 1.xx/2.xx. Thanks for the support
Harlan.

No - if both your ipl/spl is at 1.xx - then you are good to go, continue on to the next step.
It appears that some users (such as myself ) have to run the buttom rom twice to get both ipl/spl to be the same.
My first pass with the button rom gave me ipl of 1.xx -and spl of 2.xx
Ran the button rom a second time - and all was good
Good luck

Remember to CID unlock, then Upgrade IPL/SPL before upgrading to WM6.

Read the guide carefully,it says, the while downgrading with Button's Rom you might probably get ipl 1.xx and spl 2.xx,reflash the button's rom a few times more till you get both ipl/spl 1.xx.Its required to have both ipl/spl 1.xx to apply lokiwiz02b to SIM/CID unlock the phone,so as you already got ipl/spl 1.xx,you are lucky and good to go to run lokiwiz02b and unlock,remember only after unlocking the phone,upgrade to ipl/spl 2.xx by flashing T-mobile 2.26,ok
cheers !

Thanks
Thanks you Guys, it Successfully installed with breeze. Now that i upgraded the rom by installing the 2.26 before WM6, I'm getting 200% better reception, like it would take an hour or more Just to get reception ANYWHERE!!!!, I'm not kidding. Now that i finished up and installed the black diamond WM6, as soon i hit the today screen, I'm already connected to t-mobile. Thank you everybody for telling me that I'm safe on continuing the installer with both 1.xx ipl/spl, because now i have better reception, touch, unlocked, MDA. Thanks xda-developers for the great information.
Harlan.