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I know you're all sick of posts about Windows Mobile 5.0 - I've read the FAQ, ubt I'm still a little confused. I'm not really a hacker - a firmware update is a big deal to me, let alone a complete new ROM!!
In the wiki thing there are four versions of WM5 for the Blue Angel (Or XDA IIs as I knew it before I came here). Where have these come from? Are these unofficial hacks, which will void my warranty and not necessarily work? Why are there four different versions of what should be the same thing?
Do Microsoft themselves produce a WM5 update for this device? Is it officially supported? I have a corporate device, and I don't mind using this as an excuse to upgrade to the XDA Exec, but I don't want my boss to tell me I wasted money on a new device when I could have just upgraded mine to use MS Push mail.
Thanks, and sorry for the muppet n00b post!
>Where have these come from?
From talented people who thinks that original ROM sucks
>Are these unofficial hacks, which will void my warranty and not necessarily work?
Yes.
>Why are there four different versions of what should be the same thing?
They are like programs, some works better than others even though they are the same thing (e.g. web browser, all the same thing). And probably the most noticeable is the ext rom where different version will have different supporting software included.
>Do Microsoft themselves produce a WM5 update for this device?
No. Microsoft to not seems to support any WM5 (or W2K) device's OS. It is up to the manufacturer to do the supporting/upgrading. E.g. HP provide their own upgrades/support for older PDA (e.g. Hx4000 series) to upgrade to WM5
>Is it officially supported?
If you get an official update (e.g. from your phone company) it will be supported. But I don't there is an official upgrade to WM5 for BA devices. Double check and correct me if I'm wrong. But, you might get lucky/unlucky to have athe push mail support, I guess.
>I have a corporate device, and I don't mind using this as an excuse to upgrade to the XDA Exec, but I don't want my boss to tell me I wasted money on a new device when I could have just upgraded mine to use MS Push mail.
I would suggest you get a new one (as it is not your own money). Unless your boss or people around him is highly technical about HTC devices, it is very unlikely that he will know if there is an upgrade for it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=310752#310752
There are some other posts describing the ROMs in this forum. Do a search for all the rom names in one query and you'll find discussion on them.
Excellent, thats answered all my queries! Thanks a lot...
And thanks for not hating me!
I figured this would be an appropriate place to ask this.
Last Week I purchased a used sx66/PH20B1 (cingular) and obviously looking to upgrade to WM 5.0
After a week of looking through this forum, I'm a bit confused as to which version I need. I don't want to turn my device into a paperweight.
I read the post of WM5 Roms summaries which was very helpful.
I saw the "ROM to WM 5 Build 14343 " for GSM PH20B1. at THIS post This seems like the most appropriate one But i'm not sure if this is like the best "unofficial" one to use. OR should I use one such as tuma or logout?
Benq-siemens has a ROM update on their website HERE
not sure if this is WM5 though..or just an update to WM2003
Please help
Thanks!
If yout thinking of uprading to WM5 to use push email then i'm afraid your out of luck, the push email element of WM5 first came out in AKU 2, so far no matter how hard we try (mainly tuatara, grats to him) no-one has managed to get anything above AKU 1.1 booting on a BlueAngel, so in short NO PUSH EMAIL!
looks lik your gonna have to get a shiney new universal
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If yout thinking of uprading to WM5 to use push email then i'm afraid your out of luck, the push email element of WM5 first came out in AKU 2, so far no matter how hard we try (mainly tuatara, grats to him) no-one has managed to get anything above AKU 1.1 booting on a BlueAngel, so in short NO PUSH EMAIL!
looks lik your gonna have to get a shiney new universal
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I don't care about Push email. I don't mind checking my email once and a while instead of getting it immediatly. I just want WM5 for the new features. (Maybe I'm crazy and it's not worth it :?: )
I just want to make sure I use the right ROM when upgrading so I don't destroy my device
Thanks for the info though..I didn't know that
my post was actually in reply to the first guy, i hadn't even read yours
with regards to your situation you can use any WM5 rom (TuMa, Logout's, Ivan's or ArtZ's) however you must edit the 'set operator.bat' in a text editor (I use notepad) so that all referances to 'PH20B' are changed to 'PH20B1', then follow the instructions in the readme as normal.
Personally on rom choice i would reccomend TuMa for ease of use (but wait until 1.5 as 1.3 is slow an 1.4 is buggy) or Ivan's as a clean rom that you can customise yourself.
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my post was actually in reply to the first guy, i hadn't even read yours
with regards to your situation you can use any WM5 rom (TuMa, Logout's, Ivan's or ArtZ's) however you must edit the 'set operator.bat' in a text editor (I use notepad) so that all referances to 'PH20B' are changed to 'PH20B1', then follow the instructions in the readme as normal.
Personally on rom choice i would reccomend TuMa for ease of use (but wait until 1.5 as 1.3 is slow an 1.4 is buggy) or Ivan's as a clean rom that you can customise yourself.
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Cool beans. thanks! Do these roms have applications such as Terminal Services, Windows Media Player 10, Outlook etc? (I didn't see it in the list, and not sure if you can download them) These are what I really want, And couldn't find info on where to download them.
And lastly, is it easy to revert back to WM2003 if you don't have the original ROM (Just incase it doesn't work out for me)
Sorry for all the questions. :?
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my post was actually in reply to the first guy
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I have a NAME, you know...
i can never do anything right these days...
sorry fishkake!
SkiRacer2144 said:
Cool beans. thanks! Do these roms have applications such as Terminal Services, Windows Media Player 10, Outlook etc? (I didn't see it in the list, and not sure if you can download them) These are what I really want, And couldn't find info on where to download them.
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yes they are inlcuded, you can find links in the BA WM5 wiki or by seaching this forum (they are all on teh first page )
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And lastly, is it easy to revert back to WM2003 if you don't have the original ROM (Just incase it doesn't work out for me)
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yes, just go to the seimens website and download thier latest update, that is easiest, however you can also mix and match bits of other 2k3se roms and use a later radio version (afaik 1.13 is the best)
hope this helps
http://bbs.pdafans.com/viewthread.php?tid=313145&extra=page=1&page=1
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V
Can you interpret the most important parts for us? (If there are any)
What I gather from my spotty mandarin, these guys managed to get their hands on an internal version of WM6 and have flashed it onto their devices.
Will read more and find out.
Managed to snag some photos by signing up at their forums...
Apparently its a chinese version of WM6 from Dopod...
This dude twinsdove mentions that WM6's speed is way better than WM5's...
Google is your best friend and also your enemy. Just use it the right way and everything is priceless...
http://translate.google.com/transla...&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=/language_tools
i want the wm6
i'll try to bulid a wm6 for D700.
just Believe in me
why cant we just get the original one and install y would u have to build it?
sorry.
i'll try made a rom can be used for Blueangel.
i can't build a rom for it by myself.this's microsoft's work.
i belive in you
getmad said:
Google is your best friend and also your enemy. Just use it the right way and everything is priceless...
http://translate.google.com/transla...&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=/language_tools
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It makes them sound really communistic. Haha.
Still, having a knowledge of mandarin as a second language helps a lot.
It'd be really nice to see WM6 on our BA's!!
Will we be seeing a release of the base OS so people will be able to create their own froms from this? (Sorry, but google is playing up and I don't have enough time to use babelfish and read everything in that thread).
Best of luck Winyong!
Nice to see more enthusiasts, but it is almost impossible to make crossbow works fine on blueangel (remember Motorola MPX200 and WM5) it will be something like this, but (there is always but) you will all have problems with porting crossbow core
Crossbow download, Download Link provide
The original thread does not exist anymore, I have no idea it was deleted by the poster or the Admin. of the site. Here is the new Link. You can download
18 rar files from it.
http://bbs.pdafans.com/thread-313480-1-3.html
P.S. The Rom is for Wizard, Not BA.
@lukecheng - I can't seem to find those 18 rars. Could you upload them to the FTP?
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Apologies Vijay, I wasn't really thinking there. Good catch.
xplode said:
Nice to see more enthusiasts, but it is almost impossible to make crossbow works fine on blueangel (remember Motorola MPX200 and WM5) it will be something like this, but (there is always but) you will all have problems with porting crossbow core
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doesn't hurt to have a go
Midget_1990 said:
doesn't hurt to have a go
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Yes bra XDA-devs always finds a way, evolution is upon us! haha sorry yoz
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/5951.html
According to the *highly* ;-) reliable news source that is msmobiles.com, a universal rom has been leaked.
Looks like their highly patronising style of journalism strikes again, as the last time I checked came under the following category, but searching revealed nothing (EDIT until I went to Universal Upgrading forum) not that I have a Universal but was intrigued nonetheless.
"(but any Internet user who knows how to use search engines can find it easily)" - msmobiles
Am I right in thinking that if Crossbow ROMS turn up for other devices like Universal, then a port to BlueAngel is possible?
Hi all,
as most of you probably knows, today an alleged new WM6 rom from PDAVIET has been released.
Far from being 'new', this rom is nothing other than a copy of the leeked WM6 rom we all know plus a lot of 3rd party tools ripped off, without asking permission, from Faria's Aku3.3 rom. An evidence is in the image posted below, it has been found inside PDAVIET's rom but, if you look at the logo, you'll see Faria's name. This is only one of the many evidences i can give you.
Moreover, this rom includes many bugs and inconsistencies due to the indiscriminate mixing of WM5 and WM6 files.
That said, having long discussed the problem with Faria, we've decided to post this message to warn you against this rom and to make clear the following points:
1 - Faria is NOT involved in any way with this rom, the guys who prepared it or the site which originated it. Similarly, he is not involved with any of the WM6 roms you may find in this or other forums/blogs/warez sites.
The presence of documents and images containing Faria's name inside pdaviet's WM6 rom is due to the fact they "borrowed" some 3rd party software made or arranged by Faria himself. This doesn't imply any involment of Faria in the WM6 rom developing/publishing.
2 - The same can be said for all the other developers in this forum: Bepe, Molski, me and others. We are not in any way to be connected to any of the leeked wm6 roms out there.
3 - We, faria and me, strongly advise you against the use of pdaviet rom in your devices. By copying Faria's work and mixing WM5-only with WM6 files without even realizing what they were doing, pdaviet guys have proved all their incompetence in rom developing/cooking. That said, Faria DECLINES every responsibility for every problem you may experience by using his tools inside pdaviet's rom.
4 - Considering the irresponsible and illecit use of his work, Faria decided to stop developing/fixing applications for use in WM6 roms. For this reason, he won't publish anymore programs, fixes or workarounds for any problem/issue concerning any WM6 rom. The development will restart when and whether Microsoft will allow us to post WM6 roms in this forum.
Hoping for newer and better WM6 roms (and for MS's permission to use them ) we want to express you our best regards!!!
Bye bye
Well, I posted immediately upon trying their first attempt it was a botched job from the get go. Sad to hear that Faria is stearing clear of WM6 support but I can't blame him. He doesn't "need" us for anything. He's been doing an awesome job just helping us get up to speed where he already is.
Thanks for all of your help so far Faria. It is much appreciated and you've been very helpful. We will be anxiously waiting for a WM6 release from you and the rest of the gang.
-Mc
Ill wait too for your release of a rom
That will be a long wait probably never because they will only release the ROM when this condition is met:
"The development will restart when and whether Microsoft will allow us to post WM6 roms in this forum."
It's very unlikely MS will allow it
Ill still use the the leaked wm6 rom but will wait for a cooked rom from faria or
the other develepers in this forum that have done good roms.
PDAViet
I'd like to add that the reason to stay away from PDAViet's WM6 ROM is due to moral and ethical reasons of how they used Faria's work.
The actual ROM is considerably faster than the clean WM6 ROM. You need to change a registry key once installed to fix keyboard layout for english users.
It's a shame they released the ROM in such a devious way. If it didn't have Faria's work it would be worthwhile to install until such time as a better WM6 ROM comes along. It's definitely much more useable than the clean WM6 ROM which was doggy slow.
Also, I haven't noticed any additional bugs or inconsistencies other than the clean WM6 ROM.
look people..you can use any ROM you come across,that does not bother us,we got rules in the forum,and so we will obey by them.the xda has given me allot and i for one will only release ROM in here.i owe to the xda.of course that Microsoft will not say "yes u can release" a ROM that is not even in the market,but things will cool down.Microsoft asked us to remove the Roms from the ftp,and they did very politely.now should the site be shut down or sued because we want something that is not even in the market?
just give it a Little more time thats all we ask.
Good Job
faria said:
look people..you can use any ROM you come across,that does not bother us,we got rules in the forum,and so we will obey by them.the xda has given me allot and i for one will only release ROM in here.i owe to the xda.of course that Microsoft will not say "yes u can release" a ROM that is not even in the market,but things will cool down.Microsoft asked us to remove the Roms from the ftp,and they did very politely.now should the site be shut down or sued because we want something that is not even in the market?
just give it a Little more time thats all we ask.
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After installing and using the 3.3 ROM that you had a hand in cooking I will gladly wait til you can oficially/legally release a cooked WM6 ROM. I agree that it was wrong for PDAVIET to use your work without permission so therefore I would not use that ROM. I understand the time that you put into something just to have it abused. I have learned alot just by reading all these posts and searching through the forums. I have been a member for over a year and really dont post unless its something that I definetely need help with. I would rather find it on my own and understand what Im doing rather than just install something and be completely dumb to what I just installed. Thank you all who are willing to help us and explain.
Makes perfect sence not too rock the boat when theres still so much live in the NEW 3.3 rom you only released this week
aSKED fOR tIME
faria said:
look people..you can use any ROM you come across,that does not bother us,we got rules in the forum,and so we will obey by them.the xda has given me allot and i for one will only release ROM in here.i owe to the xda.of course that Microsoft will not say "yes u can release" a ROM that is not even in the market,but things will cool down.Microsoft asked us to remove the Roms from the ftp,and they did very politely.now should the site be shut down or sued because we want something that is not even in the market?
just give it a Little more time thats all we ask.
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WE SHALL. ITS THE LEAST THAT WE CAN DO TO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU EFFORTS.
faria said:
look people..you can use any ROM you come across,that does not bother us,we got rules in the forum,and so we will obey by them.the xda has given me allot and i for one will only release ROM in here.i owe to the xda.of course that Microsoft will not say "yes u can release" a ROM that is not even in the market,but things will cool down.Microsoft asked us to remove the Roms from the ftp,and they did very politely.now should the site be shut down or sued because we want something that is not even in the market?
just give it a Little more time thats all we ask.
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I actually was going to download the ROM yesterday and came accross the same views. There are other files in their forum that originate from here.
My view is that if you know of a tool that can help your viewers, explain the tool and link it to the thread that you found the tool at. They did not do that. I do not read Vietnamese but some of the apps I saw there were just blatantly stolen from here.
@FARIA: I truely agree with you when you say that Microsoft has been real good with their attitude with Mobile ROMS. I love their attitude where they have actually been very cool with leaving developers and phone companies develop/change the ROMs according to needs. I truely believe and respect Microsoft for them asking the ROMs to be taken off the FTP and doing it politely. Like I said on my other post, Microsoft attitude has changed for the better and I Love it !
@ Faria, Molski,bepe, risidoro and others :
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You guys have been great. Your solutions have truely helped me understand the WM. Without you guy's help, my learning curve would have been way higher. Keep on Keeping on Guys! Any help in reasearching or other you might need, please feel free to contact me.
dont use PDAVIET
i will not use PDAVIET WM6 roms!!
@faria - thanks for everything sir. i will patiently wait for the right time until your ROM arrives. more power
Didn't Faria just rip the HTC X-Button app off and put his name in it?
The 2 programs are EXACTLY alike.
lol not to start suttim but yea gldrush would seem so
GldRush98 said:
Didn't Faria just rip the HTC X-Button app off and put his name in it?
The 2 programs are EXACTLY alike.
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Put it this way. All of the cooked ROM are ripped off one way or another because MS never released it to the public. Even the HCT camera app is from HTC. In the mod screen which Faria put his signature you will see below it is "copy right 2000 - 2006" by HTC
I don't understand why some of the Posters in here are taking the "moral" high ground and declare that they won't use PDAVIET ROM, they despite it, etc...
The ROM runs great. The included apps are freeware. The camera app, copyright by HTC but extracted by Faria is posted in this forum and available to any Joe. I don't really care who cooked the ROM. As long as it run fast and good, I will use it. The most important thing for me is a good ROM not who did the cooking.
is the keyboard issue fixed?.. and what about these issues with wm5 files have u noticed them? hows this rom running for u.
jacob-mda said:
is the keyboard issue fixed?.. and what about these issues with wm5 files have u noticed them? hows this rom running for u.
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The keyboard has been fixed and will work with various language with the correct code (check the thread). I am not sure what WM5 issued that has been raised here. Haven't seen or read any where yet.
is it a little bit faster then the clean one or much faster? i dont wanna go thru reinstalling all my stuff if its just a slight performance increase.. know what i mean?
i cant see pdaviet rom in ftp site!!!can anyone let me know in ftp site in which folder pdaviet rom is so tat atleast i can see rom thorugh my eyes that its been posted or not!!!after that i wanna give my feedback!!
in which folder pdaviet rom is and whats the name of rom!!
...u should maybe READ the other threads.. jesus christ
If you were previously using the HTC or AT&T rom then i highly suggest you upgrade to Dutty's rom.
1. its faster.
2. way better battery life.
3. tabbed task manager at the top
4. more free rom and ram.
5. better design.
6. more i cant think of, try it! its great!
does it still have the colored touch flo icons?
mikeeey said:
If you were previously using the HTC or AT&T rom then i highly suggest you upgrade to Dutty's rom.
1. its faster.
2. way better battery life.
3. tabbed task manager at the top
4. more free rom and ram.
5. better design.
6. more i cant think of, try it! its great!
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Hope Dutty comes soon with a clean.. lite rom.. not to much added 3d party software
Does this new Rom also includes the Microsoft .NET Compact Framework 3.5 RTM?
look closer at the posts of his roms...they do have lite versions.
Bouloama said:
Hope Dutty comes soon with a clean.. lite rom.. not to much added 3d party software
Does this new Rom also includes the Microsoft .NET Compact Framework 3.5 RTM?
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o but he does, his "lite" roms, i dont like them, i installed one on accident and there was basicly nothing on it. its extremely basic, i ment to install his touchFlo rom, so im downloading it now.
i dont think .NET 3.5 is already on, but its avaible right there on the topic.
I prefer Lite Roms because I can control better what to install, update and remove. I'm using his lite rom no. 6 and its awesome.
palm sms needed with mms control bad or palms sms that controls your entire sms through htc home etc
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I prefer Lite Roms because I can control better what to install, update and remove. I'm using his lite rom no. 6 and its awesome.
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i thought that too, but this rom was soo "lite" that there was nothing unique about it. i mean it was really no different than installing a lite HTC rom.
How does one upgrade the ROM? Is it just a transfer like a cab and then installation in the device, or is it more complicated? Some instructions on how to do that would be very useful. Can you point out where to find them? If it all fails and one needs to go back, would a Sprite restore bring back the previous ROM? Are there any incompatibilities with pre-installed programs? The ftp site lists three different Hybrid TouchFlo programs. How do they differ? Which one is the best recommended?
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i thought that too, but this rom was soo "lite" that there was nothing unique about it. i mean it was really no different than installing a lite HTC rom.
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Well actually there's virtually no apps installed, not even the HTC ones. That means that I can install the ones I want. When there's an update, I feel that I can "properly" remove the old ones and install the new ones. They also come with some tweaks already included, and .NET 3.5.
So it feels like a "base pumped" ROM which I can fully customize.
Please give us some instructions on how you install a new ROM.
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Well actually there's virtually no apps installed, not even the HTC ones. That means that I can install the ones I want. When there's an update, I feel that I can "properly" remove the old ones and install the new ones. They also come with some tweaks already included, and .NET 3.5.
So it feels like a "base pumped" ROM which I can fully customize.
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yes i agree. its just that when i was saying his rom is unique, i think there's some pretty cool things on there, but im not sure what they are. like, i wouldnt know what to search for or what cab to install. so installing the lite rom i wouldnt even get those cool things.
however, if you want this rom not for the cool things he has, but for a blank rom, then the lite rom is the rom to get.
Bouloama said:
Hope Dutty comes soon with a clean.. lite rom.. not to much added 3d party software
Does this new Rom also includes the Microsoft .NET Compact Framework 3.5 RTM?
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If you are a very experienced user you may want a Lite ROM.
However, I found the fully loaded ROM has many advantages.
1. You may have some very useful softwares that you may not even aware they exist. So you will never look for those to put into the Lite ROM in the first place.
2. You will learn to use more applications and figure out good and bad ones first hand.
3. In the Lite version, you'll always find that the software that you need for the moment hasn't gotten installed even you have it in your download library. You'll miss the time and being agonized. As time goes time, you've accumulated all the right softwares in your custom machine, it is time to replace the machine with a new one. The current one just have never reach it full potential.
Kaiser has plenty memory space, a few extra softwares are not to kill it not like TOUCH which really just got a pretty face and no guts.
I recommend fully loaded ROM for casual users. Extra softwares do not increase weight of the machine provided the extra softwares do not cause stability issue. Stability usually caused by bad software. One lousy one can do it.
For example, I won't mind if I can get a 32G SD card and people loaded all the games and MP3 and Video for me.
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How does one upgrade the ROM? Is it just a transfer like a cab and then installation in the device, or is it more complicated? Some instructions on how to do that would be very useful. Can you point out where to find them? If it all fails and one needs to go back, would a Sprite restore bring back the previous ROM? Are there any incompatibilities with pre-installed programs? The ftp site lists three different Hybrid TouchFlo programs. How do they differ? Which one is the best recommended?
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I checked the wiki but still not clear.
I have the same questions as the above post.
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I checked the wiki but still not clear.
I have the same questions as the above post.
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If your still unsure on Flashing roms please read this first before attempting
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=332246
duttythroy said:
If your still unsure on Flashing roms please read this first before attempting
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=332246
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Yeah, that's exactly why I haven't tried to reflash my tilt - The "directions" in that post are so unclear and incomplete...
Someone who can write needs to create a step by step guide - no unexplained acronyms, a complete list of everything that is needed, and maybe a little explanation about why you have to do some of the steps.
I would happily write a post with this info, except that the directions for flashing are so bad that I can't understand how to do it.
Answer some basic questions, like, "can you flash an OS with no Radio - can you flash a radio with no OS?"
When you refer to downloading a ROM - Does that mean to the PC or to the device? OK, I've entered bootloader mode - now what? What's the next step? When I DL the ROM to the device, where should it be stored? What makes up a ROM? Is it one file or a bunch of files?
These are just some of the basic details that should be in a set of directions for flashing.
The HardSPL directions that are built into the install are pretty good - they step the user through every little detail. We need that for "flashing", because based on the information on this forum, it's not inherently obvious how to do it.
Regards,
Jeff
trick420 said:
Yeah, that's exactly why I haven't tried to reflash my tilt - The "directions" in that post are so unclear and incomplete...
Someone who can write needs to create a step by step guide - no unexplained acronyms, a complete list of everything that is needed, and maybe a little explanation about why you have to do some of the steps.
I would happily write a post with this info, except that the directions for flashing are so bad that I can't understand how to do it.
Answer some basic questions, like, "can you flash an OS with no Radio - can you flash a radio with no OS?"
When you refer to downloading a ROM - Does that mean to the PC or to the device? OK, I've entered bootloader mode - now what? What's the next step? When I DL the ROM to the device, where should it be stored? What makes up a ROM? Is it one file or a bunch of files?
These are just some of the basic details that should be in a set of directions for flashing.
The HardSPL directions that are built into the install are pretty good - they step the user through every little detail. We need that for "flashing", because based on the information on this forum, it's not inherently obvious how to do it.
Regards,
Jeff
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First of all, please stop being so demanding when you are in the situation of asking for help. Nobody here has obligation to teach you what you need to do to YOUR phone. They don't get paid to do that. I would suggest you to head to tytn/Hermes' wiki page to learn more before you try on your phone http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes
Tilt or tytn II are still fairly new device on the market. Since tytn and tytn II are similar in many ways, you can use hermes/tytn's wiki for reference. Many of us, myself included, learn the process of flashing, upgrading, downgrading, and modifying through countless experiments or through other members here. I'd say - flash your phone with hardSPL first, then you are safe to do the rest if you can follow the directions. Once again, I am not trying to discourage you to ask for help, but please do respect others and their works. They have contributed a lot of time to make this forum the best and make our phones even better.
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First of all, please stop being so demanding when you are in the situation of asking for help. Nobody here has obligation to teach you what you need to do to YOUR phone. They don't get paid to do that. I would suggest you to head to tytn/Hermes' wiki page to learn more before you try on your phone http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes
Tilt or tytn II are still fairly new device on the market. Since tytn and tytn II are similar in many ways, you can use hermes/tytn's wiki for reference. Many of us, myself included, learn the process of flashing, upgrading, downgrading, and modifying through countless experiments or through other members here. I'd say - flash your phone with hardSPL first, then you are safe to do the rest if you can follow the directions. Once again, I am not trying to discourage you to ask for help, but please do respect others and their works. They have contributed a lot of time to make this forum the best and make our phones even better.
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I do not want to go offtopic, but you are waaaay out of line.
Ive been using online forums for 12 years now and have gotten to where I am because of nice,hardworking and helpful individuals.
Its Karma, in the end if you (people) help trick420 and I learn to flash our roms, they will benefit one day when they visit photography forums or want to travel to Northern Italy because I have posted very thorough articles and guides to Digital SLR Cameras and Lenses and travelling to places ive been.
His suggestions will in fact make this site better because it will allow others like him and me to learn and then eventually contribute to the forum. I personally am not a professional at WinMobile and have done my homework (read the wiki, googled terms,acronyms,procedures and so on) but have not really grasped the idea of flashing roms.
trick420 was not being demanding, you need to cool down.
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First of all, please stop being so demanding when you are in the situation of asking for help. Nobody here has obligation to teach you what you need to do to YOUR phone. They don't get paid to do that. I would suggest you to head to tytn/Hermes' wiki page to learn more before you try on your phone http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes
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Point taken, but my post was a comment, not a request for help, and was not demanding, just an observation. I'm just stating what, in my opinion, is wrong with the instructions posted so far. They lack so much information that a noob simply cannot figure out what to do at times.
A noob is just that - a noobie... How can you expect them to know that a Tytn is similar enough to a Tytn II that the same things apply? How would they know that?
The thread that Dutty refers everyone to that is a "noob" is now 11 pages long. The worst part of it is, the instructions on the first few posts don't even apply to Dutty's ROMs now because he's building them as an executable file (Great idea by the way), which makes me think he's simplified it to the point that you don't need to read the "flashing" ROM.
My point is this - if I'm a noob and I want to learn how to flash, I have to dig through 11 pages of a stickied post that is a year old just to figure out one step of the process. It takes way too much work to figure it all out, and then you'd better make sure that you don't forget something along the way.
Flashing a ROM should be a process to be learned by a noob, not a journey of discovery like it is now.
The wiki or sticky for flashing should be redone for clarity. For me, the flashing process is like a combination of a heavily fragmented hard drive and trying to find a windows registry key without the use of a search function.
Again, I'm not complaining just for the sake of complaining. If someone wants to send me a detailed process for flashing via PM or email for the Kaiser, I'll write it into a document that the average semi-technical noob can use. But until I figure all of this out I can't help. I'm a hardware and software engineer by trade, and I know as well as anyone that the one thing a programmer hates to do is to have to document a project or write a spec. I'm offering to do that if you programmers will support my questions and help me craft a good, readable document for the masses.
Regards,
Jeff
trick420 said:
Again, I'm not complaining just for the sake of complaining. If someone wants to send me a detailed process for flashing via PM or email for the Kaiser, I'll write it into a document that the average semi-technical noob can use. But until I figure all of this out I can't help. I'm a hardware and software engineer by trade, and I know as well as anyone that the one thing a programmer hates to do is to have to document a project or write a spec. I'm offering to do that if you programmers will support my questions and help me craft a good, readable document for the masses.
Regards,
Jeff
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Me too, ill help write out the guide on a beginner to intermediate level.
well i searched already and could not really find a answer. i want to upgrade my rom from a wm6.0 to the wm6.1 i read on microsoft page that its for vista, well at this time i have xp. can i still do it?
streetknight said:
well i searched already and could not really find a answer. i want to upgrade my rom from a wm6.0 to the wm6.1 i read on microsoft page that its for vista, well at this time i have xp. can i still do it?
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That's bull. The ROM doesn't care on your OS, you can use MacOS for all it cares. If you have flashed a 6.0 ROM before then just flash a 6.1 ROM.
Note: you will have to Flash a 6.1 compatable radio, if it isn't included in the ROM.
If you hav'nt flashed before, read the Getting Started Link in my sig.
Ta,
Dave
What 6.1 ROM are you speaking about? One of the many cooked ROMs found in this forum or the M$ official one?
the microsoft rom, i have never done a rom burn just read up on it and consider it. kinda want to let my phone be atleast a month old before i start to burn new roms.
As far as I know the M$ 6.1 ROM has not been released but just officially announced and it's up to the manufactures to release it. I could be wrong but thats how I read it.
you are looking at a page for Windows Mobile Device Center 6.1 for Vista, a desktop interface...
...not Windows Mobile 6.1
Here's a really naive question - if WM 6.1 hasn't been officially announced or released (least of all for the Kaiser) where do the various cooked versions of it come from, and how does anyone know that they're definitely the full 6.1, and not just some prototype-like sample? I mean, isn't there a chance that the actual 6.1 that MS announce and HTC start releasing for phones will be different?
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Here's a really naive question - if WM 6.1 hasn't been officially announced or released (least of all for the Kaiser) where do the various cooked versions of it come from, and how does anyone know that they're definitely the full 6.1, and not just some prototype-like sample? I mean, isn't there a chance that the actual 6.1 that MS announce and HTC start releasing for phones will be different?
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Thats a secret of our chefs.
You may be talking at cross-purposes but there is this posting recently on the windows mobile blog
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2008/04/01/announcing-windows-mobile-6-1.aspx
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the microsoft rom, i have never done a rom burn just read up on it and consider it. kinda want to let my phone be atleast a month old before i start to burn new roms.
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That's what I did. I think this way is best cos when you flash you REALLY feel the speed increase
But just for clarification, as boomermax said, were you looking at Windows Mobile Device Centre? If so, this is Vista's version of ActiveSync, ActiveSync can no longer be used in Vista.
Inquiry About Windows Mobile 6.1
I sent HTC an e-mail inquiring about the ROM release of Windows Mobile 6.1 for the AT&T Tilt and this was there response.
Hello Matthew,
Thank you for your inquiry
We know it is very important to have all the information on our devices. We will do our best to assist you with this information right away. HTC has no official documentation or details about the use or release of Microsoft Windows Mobile 6.1. As you may be aware, all updates for our devices can be located at their respective regional web sites. If any future updates will be available for the AT&T Tilt , you will undoubtedly find it on our support web pages listed below:
http://www.htc.com/us/FAQ_Detail.aspx?p_id=67
I hope we have answered your question in detail. Feel free to contact us again if you have any further questions.
HTC Technical Support
http://www.america.htc.com
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Also the e-mail I sent to AT&T asking the same question, was told that the manufacturer (HTC) would be providing a ROM update if there was one... So apparently it's still a mystery!
I'd just like to point out that theres an "official" wm6.1 rom out there that vodafone use...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=365058
...just incase you didnt find it before. it comes with the correct radio, and even tho its "vodafone", ive been using tmobile on it fine, so it doesnt matter if youre not using voda
Officially the Official ????
billgatessucks said:
I'd just like to point out that theres an "official" wm6.1 rom out there that vodafone use...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=365058
...just incase you didnt find it before. it comes with the correct radio, and even tho its "vodafone", ive been using tmobile on it fine, so it doesnt matter if youre not using voda
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I see official ROMs all over XDA!!!What makes this one any different? When I see an Official ROM from the manufacture, then I'll be happy....
but why would a company such as vodafone not use an official rom?
or are you implying that this was never from vodafone?
but yea, if micropoop pull their finger out and release wm6.1 or even wm7, that would be nice...
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but why would a company such as vodafone not use an official rom?
or are you implying that this was never from vodafone?
but yea, if micropoop pull their finger out and release wm6.1 or even wm7, that would be nice...
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I'm just saying that if I goto the Manufacture or carriers web site and see the official Update, then I will be happy and believe it's official. Most of the WM6.1 ROMs in this forum have come from leaked versions or something like that. I think It's top secret!
ahhh i see what you mean...
...tho, i'd be very suprised if vodafone actually put up useful information/updates on their site