1. There are certain lags/behaviour in the TouchFLO 3D interface that are a bit annoying.
a. Tapping on an SMS or e-mail from FLO will launch the Messaging application (after 3 to 4 seconds). Then clicking OK (top right soft button) or Back (hard button) will Kill the Messaging application, making every launch of the app a full launch (time consuming and waste battery and cpu cycles).
b. The "Messages", "Mail", "Photos and Videos" doesn't keep "current view" after scrolling away. Whereas the "Music" and "Weather" will keep the current view (track, city) even after you've scrolled to another tab and back.
c. Would be nice if the user can configure the way each tab can animate/fade in/out...etc.
d. Using the hardware Up/Down keys to scroll up and down on the "Internet" tab has some very in consistent behaviour (I have 6 shortcuts listed there).
2. Overall it's slow even with the TouchFLO 3D switched off from the Today view.
3. On screen redraw has some lags and splitting.
4. Charging is hot. Using Wi-Fi is hot. Using HSDPA is hot. Playing movies is hot.
5. YouTube app on the "All Videos" tab: When using touch flicking, it scrolls too far!
Question now is: To those who've used HTC devices in the past, what's your experience with customer support, post sale support, product improvement during product's lifetime...etc? Will HTC continue to improve the Diamond even now it's been launched out the door?
htc's support sucks. i am almost sure that there will be no software improvements and if there are going to be that's going to happen only with a new device (want improvement? pay, suckers!).
what i am sure of is that here, in this forum we are going to see new ROMs and application that (as always) we'll live the htc's programmers with there mouth wide open. so be patient....
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1. There are certain lags/behaviour in the TouchFLO 3D interface that are a bit annoying.
a. Tapping on an SMS or e-mail from FLO will launch the Messaging application (after 3 to 4 seconds). Then clicking OK (top right soft button) or Back (hard button) will Kill the Messaging application, making every launch of the app a full launch (time consuming and waste battery and cpu cycles).
b. The "Messages", "Mail", "Photos and Videos" doesn't keep "current view" after scrolling away. Whereas the "Music" and "Weather" will keep the current view (track, city) even after you've scrolled to another tab and back.
c. Would be nice if the user can configure the way each tab can animate/fade in/out...etc.
d. Using the hardware Up/Down keys to scroll up and down on the "Internet" tab has some very in consistent behaviour (I have 6 shortcuts listed there).
2. Overall it's slow even with the TouchFLO 3D switched off from the Today view.
3. On screen redraw has some lags and splitting.
4. Charging is hot. Using Wi-Fi is hot. Using HSDPA is hot. Playing movies is hot.
5. YouTube app on the "All Videos" tab: When using touch flicking, it scrolls too far!
Question now is: To those who've used HTC devices in the past, what's your experience with customer support, post sale support, product improvement during product's lifetime...etc? Will HTC continue to improve the Diamond even now it's been launched out the door?
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yes, it has lags and is slow. but the strange thing is according to SPB Benchmark it's superfast! at least compared to the Tytn II (which is one of the the fastest HTC's) it'smuch much faster, except for the graphics part. but I agree with you it just doesn't feel that way... yet!
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Found this while browsing the web:
http://teashark.com/index.html
Downloading and installing it now. Is it just me or the MENU and other buttons do not respond to taps or soft keys. It's been 1 minute and I've given up. Going back to Opera Mini. Thanks anyway man
O yeah it extremely lagged up myphone, I can't even go into PROGRAMS to uninstall this thing. Maybe its just me, which i doubt
I un-installed too. I'll give them the benifit of the doubt, it's still a beta beta
It works all right... the first time you try to go somewhere on the internet, the program actually does some stuff to register itself w/ the teashark server. a la opera mini... when it's done setting up, you'll see a blank screen w/ the teashark in the middle of the screen.
THEN you can press the left ( menu ) button again to go to a website. It's kinda weird, but it happens only the first time you run the program.
My 2 problems w/ the program are:
1. No touch screen support at all, so no real mouse support. which makes their "2 levels of zoom" worthless on the kaiser.
2. crappy picture rendering. Even with "high resolution" pictures enabled in preferences, I only get 40k pictures.
Opera Mini is my recommendation right now since this teashark browser is pretty much an attempt to remake Opera Mini.
My Niki just crapped out and I'm thinking about upgrading to the diamond (US model). My question is whether or not this is worth the money?? Any thoughts are appreciated.
Yes
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what do you/don't you like about it?
What I like is the compact size that I can comfortably put in a pocket or clip on my belt with a Diamond case. Another nice reason is the built-in support for H.264 (MP4) video playback.
I upgraded a few days ago from the Trinity.
I'm currently just about keeping it. My thoughts are-
Plus points versus Trinity -
Size;
VGA;
Motion sensor;
light sensor.
I can't think of much else...
Negative points -
Lack of hardware buttons is very annoying;
I think that the screen being 'flush' instead of slightly recessed is bad, so easy to activate progs/call in your pocket, but;
The screen seems to require a lot of pressure to activate;
it lags a bit, but this seems to be a feature of newer deivces, my wizard was the quickest with a 200MHz processor, then the Trinity with 400 then the Diamond after;
I don't like the stock UI, if you don't want the touchFlo home screen, it's awkard to navigate, if you're in a program and want to launch another, you can't, unless you have very long fingers and can reach the start icon and have tha program you want in the menu (such as really close the current app);
buttons, I think having a button which only goes to the home screen is stupid, why not have the button open the start menu, beacuse today is the automatic selected option, I always had a button to close any currently active window (real close not min), a device lock, and wm5newmenu with a lot of shortcuts/commandlines etc. the two phone keys and power key are configurable, but on long press only, and the end key and power keys only with a reg hack;
the scroll wheel does nothing except zoom on a few programs like word and excel, unless you use a reg hack prog and even then it doesn't give feedback, like pressing a button or a scroll wheel 5 clicks would move you 5 places, it's less exact and you have to watch it to make sure it goes where you want. it also doesn't work even with the hacks on some things like the start menu;
I'm using fTouchflo and morscript to overcome the navigation limits, but even fTouchflo is hit and miss because of the amount of pressure required to launch a prog, and as there is no housing around the screen, finding the start of the screen is harder;
Internal storage is not as good as having a storage card 4 times the size, and for me re-coding all my shortcuts and scripts to the 'internal storage' address instead of 'storage card' was a real pain.
I'm assuming that many of the 'problems' i have will be solved eventually by people here and that i will get used to it, so I'm going to keep it.
i love my trinity too
just flash the diamond and you will be happy
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just flash the diamond and you will be happy
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If you're talking to me (or the OP), I was planning to. I'm on my 3rd ppc now and I have everything setup how I like it, but the diamond seems harder to do it as i like, but it's a better ppc. I'm playing with the settings, then when i have it right, i'll probably flash then.
The LG VU is an awesome phone!!!
I encountered a problem with my HTC Tilt today. I was playing around deciding if I like it more with or without touchflo running, and later in the day I installed that Task Manager 3.1 program (which seems very handy BTW) and that is when I noticed that when I am in the "programs" or "settings" windows, the way to scroll by dragging the screen has changed. Before, I would just click anywhere and drag with the stylus and it would scroll. Now, I have to like tap and drag it, and it'll continue scrolling non-stop until I tap on the screen again. The same thing happens in internet explorer. Other programs such as Opera browser is unaffected.
The interesting thing is that drag-scrolling with my finger has improved dramatically, and works great, but not with the stylus.
Can anyone help me get it back to the way it was before?
I'm a bit noobie to these gadgets, but I'll catch on.
edit: the scrolling with the stylus works fine if you drag the scroll bar.
This phone is awesome, but the one complaint I do have is that the phone speaker volume isn't very loud... it needs more ooomph.
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I encountered a problem with my HTC Tilt today. I was playing around deciding if I like it more with or without touchflo running, and later in the day I installed that Task Manager 3.1 program (which seems very handy BTW) and that is when I noticed that when I am in the "programs" or "settings" windows, the way to scroll by dragging the screen has changed. Before, I would just click anywhere and drag with the stylus and it would scroll. Now, I have to like tap and drag it, and it'll continue scrolling non-stop until I tap on the screen again. The same thing happens in internet explorer. Other programs such as Opera browser is unaffected.
The interesting thing is that drag-scrolling with my finger has improved dramatically, and works great, but not with the stylus.
Can anyone help me get it back to the way it was before?
I'm a bit noobie to these gadgets, but I'll catch on.
edit: the scrolling with the stylus works fine if you drag the scroll bar.
This phone is awesome, but the one complaint I do have is that the phone speaker volume isn't very loud... it needs more ooomph.
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i'm not certain if the installation of Task Manager 3.1 would have had adverse affects on the way that drag scrolling works...
for starters, you should know that some applications like opera mobile 8.65 and opera mobile 9.5 betas as well as resco explorer and lots more applications implement THEIR OWN drag scrolling logic.
next, you should know that HTC's touchflo, from the day it was introduced (with the HTC Touch) all the way up to the latest incarnations of TF2D (manila2d) and TF3D, is capable of "hooking" in to the Windows Mobile interface elements (scroll areas, etc) to provide drag scrolling behavior. however, it is nowhere near as good as the custom drag scrolling logic implemented in the applications mentioned in the previous paragraph.
finally, you should know that if you have TF2D (manila2d), there are TWO ways to get to your Programs window. Start->Programs will launch the Windows Mobile native program browser (where the cumbersome "hooked" touchflo behavior works) while launching the Programs listing by pressing the "All Programs" softkey from the Programs Tab will launch a custom program browser that looks and feels EXACTLY like the native Windows Mobile program browser. In the latter case, you will notice much much better drag scrolling.
i think the HTC uses the same approach as mentioned above for the Settings window.
make sure you are not getting confused by the above mentioned differences in your debugging and assessments.
another thing to check would be whether or not you altered the touchflo sensitivity parameters (try KaiserTweak to mess with those settings).
This thread is for discussion among those of us TD2 users who have dumped, or might dump, TF3D in favour of either another Today screen replacement or the stock WinMo 6.1 Today screen.
Thus far I'm finding the TD2 a hell of a lot more usable without TF3D. Little things like being able to use a lock password with a 15 minute delay, getting auto-Capitalization when writing texts are good, along with a much faster phone, much less memory usage and....it even seems I'm getting better battery life.
Most of the bugs people are reporting are actually TF3D issues which are resolved by ditching TF3D.
So has anyone else taken the plunge and gone back to the standard WinMo6.1?
I used to installed Ultimate Launch then Spb Mobile Shell in my original Diamond. Now I am using TF3D in my Diamond2. I wish Mobile Shell 3 may upload a more bug free version for the new device such as HD and Diamond2 and I may switch back to Mobile Shell. Perhaps WM6.5 release may change my plan and look forward to what HTC still put their manila on top of those WM6.5 device.
As I said, the thread is for people who are NOT using TF3D.
Personally I think WM6.5 will render TF3D completely redundant by handling the one thing it's good at - gloss.
Another thing I've noticed about not using TF3D is that the phone's response to tilting it to landscape and back is a lot faster.
My case as well: I've got the feeling that TF3D is more like a heavy bag.
As soon as I deactivated, the phone became easier to be handled and plus, presenting extra memory/battery resources as well.
However, a Launcher is very much needed, since neither the TF3D, nor the WM's Today screen don't offer the possibility to get to your action choice with only one button-tap.
Is there a good free launcher which can do that?
cheers!
I'm finding judicious use of which apps you put into the Start Menu helps a lot - the apps I use on a daily basis are all there, others I can get to via their presence on the Today screen, such as Tomtom.
The start menu seems to appear quicker than the TF3D one does as well.
Another thing I'm liking is the Today plugin for the RSS reader - TF3D2 didn't seem to handle RSS alerts well, when you acknowledged them it didn't take you into the RSS reader.
Best of all though is the fact I can now password protect my phone properly and delay it for 15 mins so I'm not badgered for the password all the time.
I'm finding that I don't need the stylus much either, despite the smaller menus and so on.
I just can't get over the extended battery life and improved memory usage though!
Without TF3D and three apps running (calendar, contacts and file explorer) my memory is loaded only 38%.
With TF3D it never went under 50%.
As for the battery, I can only say that it seems that lasts longer, but I didn't really seriously monitor it.
I was using PointUI Home2 free version on my Diamond, it's great. Less memory usage, and huge customisability. I had 5 "tabs" with the homescreen (see attachment) calendar & tasks, comms, stock, and weather. Worked great.
The default Home2 theme is a little mucky, but there is a huge range of alternative themes. I made a nice black one that suits the diamond.
If I get rid of TF3D then
- can I alter by normal threaded SMS for to show more than 1 line that I have typed in my new reply (like TF3D does)?
- can I still create push internet sites without TF3D?
- will the hardware button for program files still work? Will this take me to the same screen?
Can I exit TF3D without disabeling it just to check out how things look?
I have disabled and tweaked so much of TF3D that I am also thinking that it is going to be off my device with the 6.5 ROM anyway .... why not do it now.
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If I get rid of TF3D then
- can I alter by normal threaded SMS for to show more than 1 line that I have typed in my new reply (like TF3D does)?
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Yes
- can I still create push internet sites without TF3D?
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I believe so as this is an Opera thing but I don't use Push Internet at all so I can't be sure
- will the hardware button for program files still work? Will this take me to the same screen?
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Assuming you mean the flag button, yes it still brings up the Start Menu, but you'll get the normal WM6.1 one, which contains your most recently used apps, your seven favourite apps you've selected to appear on the menu, a shortcut to Settings and a shortcut to all your Programs.
Can I exit TF3D without disabeling it just to check out how things look?
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Just go into All Settings, Personal, Today and uncheck the TF3D box to turn TF3D off. Give it a few days of usage before you make your mind up. Don't forget to turn on and customize the other Today screen plugins to get the full experience.
I have disabled and tweaked so much of TF3D that I am also thinking that it is going to be off my device with the 6.5 ROM anyway .... why not do it now.
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My thoughts entirely. In a couple of months' time TF3D will be completely redundant anyway.
Incidentally, I've started getting right into Today screen plugins...TodayAgenda is frankly the best app on my phone. I use the Todo (Tasks) app more than any other app on my phone. TodayAgenda allows you to have your task list (with only the active tasks showing, huzzah!) right there on your today screen, so you don't even need to unlock your phone to see what you need to do next! And you can complete tasks and create new ones right there on the Today screen. It's awesome and I can see this becoming my new most-used widget.
Just this one plugin renders TF3D utterly redundant as far as I'm concerned!
The RSS reader has a plugin too, which is really useful.
Does anyone else have good suggestions for really useful Today plugins? I tried PointUI Home2 but that's more of a replacement than a plugin.
Hi Jim,
By TodayAgenda you mean the calendar inputs shown in the Today screen?
If this is so, I'm a little disapointed because it shows only the next one, not the next week ones, let's say...
Is there a way to have more than one event listed?
thanks
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Hi Jim,
By TodayAgenda you mean the calendar inputs shown in the Today screen?
If this is so, I'm a little disapointed because it shows only the next one, not the next week ones, let's say...
Is there a way to have more than one event listed?
thanks
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No I'm talking about TodayAgenda - it's a plugin, you have to download and install it. It lets you look as far ahead as you like and does both Todos and Calendat entries (although I only use it for Todos).
Also, try WMP Status 1.0, it shows you on the today screen the artist, album, track and track number that you're currently playing in Media Player. Very useful as you don't need to unlock your phone to see what you're listening to!
grgmhlch said:
Hi Jim,
By TodayAgenda you mean the calendar inputs shown in the Today screen?
If this is so, I'm a little disapointed because it shows only the next one, not the next week ones, let's say...
Is there a way to have more than one event listed?
thanks
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Incidentally, if you go into Settings / Today and highlight CALENDAR, click OPTIONS, you can set it to show all upcoming appointments instead of just the next one.
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Incidentally, if you go into Settings / Today and highlight CALENDAR, click OPTIONS, you can set it to show all upcoming appointments instead of just the next one.
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Thank you Jim.
It seems that I've missed the Option button.
Thanks for the TodayAgenda tip too.
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Thank you Jim.
It seems that I've missed the Option button.
Thanks for the TodayAgenda tip too.
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No problem. Check out WMP Status 1.0 as well, it's really useful when you're listening to music!
Ok, since I droped TF3D, I also dropped the phone dialer skin, leaving the WM one, which is fine for me but apparently it has a bug:
it doesn't show me the calls&contacts, in its scroll-down field, even though there is some information present, because if I tap, it opens the call's details window.
In other words, it's like a list on which the items have the same font color like the list's background.
Did anybody experienced the same?
Is it possible that another dialer skin would change this behavior?
I put Phonealarm and today agenda straight on my phone and removed TF3D its just too restricting. I can get to everything i need with one click on the home screen none of this swishing fingers to get to stuff.
I really don't know what some of yoy are complaining about...
Not Capitalizing the first letter... NONSENS, when i write a SMS the first letter of a sentence is capitalized..
Memory consumption.......
Why do you think this device has so much ???? Because HTC wants you to run TF3D and still have more then enough memory free to run Whatever app......
I was sceptical at first too. But if you give it a chance you will see that once you have seen every screen (without a reboot) it's VERY fast, and very comfortable...
I am sure i will keep TF3D for a while !
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Does anyone else have good suggestions for really useful Today plugins?
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I used to run 2 Today pages using Second Today.
Weather (SPB Traveller) , CLauncher and SPB Phone (can't beat the options here) on the 1st Today. SPB Diary full screen on the other (2nd) Today.
Custom links to Internet and GPS Navigation complete the productive config.
I travel for business. Calendar and Contacts and the most important.
TF3D Calendar can't make top 20 on market I would say. Contacts in TF3D are death by scrolling (by default). The new D2 Dialer is more productive for contacts than any of the TF3D contacts screens!
I agree that all these other UIs that don't allow Today plugins are missing the point. People want to pay for and use specialist programs where certain functionality is important to them.
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I'm finding judicious use of which apps you put into the Start Menu helps a lot - the apps I use on a daily basis are all there, others I can get to via their presence on the Today screen, such as Tomtom.
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With a WVGA screen, I really wish there were a work around to be able to place more than 7 apps in the start menu. Can't believe I've never found a hack for this.
Alternatively, I love to be able to route the start button to the All Programs folder but never been able to find this either. Two simple things that must not be easy or else we would have seen them before.
BTW, I unchecked TF3D within 24hrs (a month ago). I use SPB Mobile Shell for the shell. For the today screen (WM 6.1) I use Today Agenda, Google Search, Elecont Weather (paid) or WeatherBugDirect (free). I also run all my tasks and appointments from the traditional today screen via TodayAgenda.
Hi!
Bought an Omnia II for my wife over the weekend. She says she doesn't like the new widget home screen, and so she deactivated it and turned on the old Today Screen with appointments, tasks, etc.
She complained about the uber large fonts, and so I managed to access the original ctrlpnl (it's hidden on the omnia II), opened "Screen" and changed the font size.
Immediately after that, I installed rlToday and added a (nice) clock plug-in that I made for her.
She now complains that clicking the next appointment now launches the old calendar.exe, and claims that it used to open the tcalendar.exe (by samsung) before I "messed it up". Other Today messages now launches the default WM6 apps (tasks, messaging), and she says they used to launch the samsung equivalents.
A hard reset and format didn't fix this, and now I regret helping her out.
1. Can anyone help me to confirm that clicking on the "next appointment" on the today screen on the Omnia II launches the tcalendar and not the original WM6.1 calendar? (To disable widgets - go to settings/display/items on today, click menu\edit and deselect widgets.)
2. If so (and I did mess it up), I assume that I somehow triggered a change in registry. Any ideas to change it back?
Thanks in advance.
As for number 2 a hard reset would change any registry changes back to its factory default.
I fully agree that a hard reset will set back all changes on the device to factory settings!
However after the reset if you did again able the MS normal today screen then you will open the normal pocket outlook calendar if you click on the calendar plug-inn (it is dll file short cut for MS calendar)
I don’t have Omnia but I do believe in order to open the Samsung calendar from the today screen you need to able again Samsung UI.
BTW. I am also very interested on the omnia II/I800 would you mind to share your opinion for that device and may I ask how much did you pay for it??
Thanks for your comments - the thing is that after the hard reset (format - re-setup), the today screen launches the default calendar.exe (not tcalendar.exe as my wife said it did before I tinkered on it). My guess is that my wife couldn't have launched tcalendar.exe from the today screen - but she was adamant about it.
The Omnia II is well made - the camera is VERY smart - besides the 5Mpix and the LED light, it has auto panoramic mode, smile detection and even a name card reader (yes - OCR directly into contacts). Half-press autofocus is great - much faster in picture taking than my HTC Touch Diamond 2.
The interface is good - the UI design is a little gaudy for my taste. Haptic feedback is better (even during flick-and-scroll). The screen colours are VERY vibrant - so much that the red and greens look luminescent.
The phone is also crammed with everything you can squeeze - GPS, microSD slot, standar phones jack, camera button, G sensor, etc.
Strange stuff includes a missing original WM6.1 settings page. The samsung UI has most of the items, but not all (eg: screen). The file explorer replacement is nice, but does not implement cut, copy and paste. Rather, it forces you to "copy to..." and "move to...". On a good side, you can move and copy multiple files via checkbox multiselect page. "Paste as shortcut" is not available. No Dpad means some games don't work. The stylus (if you need it) is external like the Omnia (but built tougher like a mini marker).
Price is irrelevant as it is operator sponsored (in return for 2 year contract).
Anyone has an omnia II who can test it for me?
As this is an HTC devices only forum there will be a small amount of members answering, however if you look in off topic section there is a thread regarding samsung, perhaps there you´ll have more chances.
also you can go to winmodevs for non HTC devices
Good luck,
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Thanks for your comments - the thing is that after the hard reset (format - re-setup), the today screen launches the default calendar.exe (not tcalendar.exe as my wife said it did before I tinkered on it). My guess is that my wife couldn't have launched tcalendar.exe from the today screen - but she was adamant about it.
Anyone has an omnia II who can test it for me?
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I have an Omnia II...
Can you elaborate on the "Next Appointment"?
On TouchWiz UI, it will go to Touch Calendar from the Today widget.
But if I go to Today settings, untick TouchWiz UI and tick Calendar, it will go to default calendar from the default Today screen.
Hope this helps.
cfhong, would you please share some your experience with Samsung omnia II. I was in love with the device but now I hear some bad comments which makes me little worried to buy as samsung has not much support as the HTC devices here in this forum (thanks)
do you know where we can download omnia2/pro rom
it would be really usuful in extracting the cool apps and skin for other WM devices
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4246890&posted=1#post4246890
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I have an Omnia II...
Can you elaborate on the "Next Appointment"?
On TouchWiz UI, it will go to Touch Calendar from the Today widget.
But if I go to Today settings, untick TouchWiz UI and tick Calendar, it will go to default calendar from the default Today screen.
Hope this helps.
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Yes!! This is exactly what I needed. About "Next Appointment", that's the string of text on the Today Screen that shows something like... "Tomorrow: Buy Groceries 9:00am-10:00am" Clicking on this test will open up the default Windows Mobile Calendar. I DIDN'T SCREW UP HER PDA!!