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Should I be upset that mUn's WM6 aRTM was up for 5$ on ebay, and he wasn't the one selling it?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...MEWN:IT&viewitem=&item=260112128063&rd=1&rd=1
eBay user: rubayath_media
(no, I didn't realize it was freeware then...I've only come to learn this wonderful world of customization in the past 24 hours- after that hosebag nailed me)
Weasels huh!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=304314
Sorry you got pinched.
Well now more of us can keep an eye out.
ya know what- I'm not sorry a bit: I would probably wouldn't have come to this forum had I not been burned. And, I'm in the process of really going elbow-deep in my 8125 and LOVING it! So, I just feel it's crap that someone else is taking the $$$ for someone else's creation.
berdinkerdickle said:
Weasels huh!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=304314
Sorry you got pinched.
Well now more of us can keep an eye out.
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I just went to Ebay and typed in "Windows Mobile 6" into their Search Engine. Just look at what came up!!! And, they originated from THIS forum, I'm sure. . .
http://search.ebay.com/Windows-Mobile-6_W0QQfromZR40
I've got a good mind to report ALL of them to Ebay . . . and surprised that Microsoft hasn't . . . yet.
ought to just report to eBay.
Conversely buyable is this
For those of us that love our PDAs and PDA phones I created the themes that I am selling on eBay to anyone who loves the gear and beautiful women - and NO they are not nudes and porn. But, for anyone that likes what they see and wants some I will give 6 for the price of 3.
Take a look:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...MESE:IT&viewitem=&item=190106886535&rd=1&rd=1
I hope you like it all.
I have used WM6 ROMs and I'm grateful for the cooks providing them, but let's call a spade a spade here - it's NOT "freeware". Microsoft make WM available to ODMs for a licence fee.
PaulMdx said:
... Microsoft make WM available to ODMs for a licence fee.
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Licence fee?
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/02/27/windows-mobile-6-free-to-pda-manufacturers-issuing-upgrades/
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Licence fee?
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/02/27/windows-mobile-6-free-to-pda-manufacturers-issuing-upgrades/
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I must admit I did not know ODMs were not being charged for WM5->WM6 upgrade paths, however a free upgrade is not freeware.
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ought to just report to eBay.
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I did. Two of the listings were pulled within 1/2 hour and I've notice that a third one has now been pulled. The only items left are the Wizard phones with WM6 pre-installed. Those probably won't last much longer.
papakeithjenkins said:
For those of us that love our PDAs and PDA phones I created the themes that I am selling on eBay to anyone who loves the gear and beautiful women - and NO they are not nudes and porn. But, for anyone that likes what they see and wants some I will give 6 for the price of 3.
Take a look:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...MESE:IT&viewitem=&item=190106886535&rd=1&rd=1
I hope you like it all.
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Selling themes you created is fine since you're the author but selliing something somebody else has put together and released for free is wrong to say the least....
newbie2 said:
I did. Two of the listings were pulled within 1/2 hour and I've notice that a third one has now been pulled. The only items left are the Wizard phones with WM6 pre-installed. Those probably won't last much longer.
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I dont think the phone will be pulled: those are "phones" the software on them dont really matter...I guess...
Ayle said:
Selling themes you created is fine since you're the author but selliing something somebody else has put together and released for free is wrong to say the least....
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Provided that you own the rights to the pictures of course
--M
Well i have reported both of them, due to the fact that if someone on here has put alot of work into it, NO-ONE should be selling it on, that will just bring more problems from microsoft to this site! As we are one of the biggest sites, if not the best for the wizard.
If it is given for free, no-one can be seen to be getting money from copy right of microsoft!
papakeithjenkins said:
For those of us that love our PDAs and PDA phones I created the themes that I am selling on eBay to anyone who loves the gear and beautiful women - and NO they are not nudes and porn. But, for anyone that likes what they see and wants some I will give 6 for the price of 3.
Take a look:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...MESE:IT&viewitem=&item=190106886535&rd=1&rd=1
I hope you like it all.
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I dont think that is a good idea, cus those pictures are not yours!!! If i am wrong, well sorry!
papakeithjenkins said:
For those of us that love our PDAs and PDA phones I created the themes that I am selling on eBay to anyone who loves the gear and beautiful women - and NO they are not nudes and porn. But, for anyone that likes what they see and wants some I will give 6 for the price of 3.
Take a look:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...MESE:IT&viewitem=&item=190106886535&rd=1&rd=1
I hope you like it all.
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Seems like your quite fond of selling freeware on ebay....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Unlock-your-Cin...yZ115054QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/Unlock-Seimens-...yZ115054QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I was talking to AT&T business customer service regarding my account. Before i got off the phone i asked a question regarding the availability of WM6 for the treo 750. He said the upgrade is out and available to all thier retail stores in effort to upgrade the existing stock of Treo 750 with WM5 to WM6 in preperation for the arrival of the new TREO 750 with WM6 included. Once the above mentioned is complied with, the upgrade for existing users will hit the perverbial shelves...
Giving Back..
jhowle
WM6 ROM
I was talking to my Tarot Card reader, and she told me that the WM6 ROM would be arriving when the marriage of the moon and the cat had passed the arrival of the white knight. She also told me that I would blessed with much fortune after a period of intense hunger and longing. So...I got that going for me!
dma1965 said:
I was talking to my Tarot Card reader, and she told me that the WM6 ROM would be arriving when the marriage of the moon and the cat had passed the arrival of the white knight. She also told me that I would blessed with much fortune after a period of intense hunger and longing. So...I got that going for me!
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*sigh* People these days...
Anyways. Thanks for the info, jhowle.
Why is it when you try to post honest info, you get met with snide remarks from people who have swelled heads and think they know everything. I don't understand, why even post post this kind of small mindless dribble.this is not this first time i have gotten this kinda reply...
dma1965 said:
I was talking to my Tarot Card reader, and she told me that the WM6 ROM would be arriving when the marriage of the moon and the cat had passed the arrival of the white knight. She also told me that I would blessed with much fortune after a period of intense hunger and longing. So...I got that going for me!
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jhowle,
Thanks for posting your info here. I think we're all a little jaded when it comes to the multiple dates, timeframes, plans and timelines posted from AT&T, Cingular, Palm, and others. I'm hoping that your information pans out. I guess I need to stop at the AT&T store on the way home today...
Can anyone confirm that the stores have the update? A link would be nice.
Thanks,
-CraigDo
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A link would be nice.
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Or a helpful leak from an AT&T emplo...errr...anonymous uploader.
*innocent face*
What do you mean Snide?
I think this poster has as much chance of getting an honest answer getting information about WM6 from a gypsy then tech support from AT&T. Poster is making a Joke (true) but a joke none the less. Don't be so sensitive!
Oh.. im not jaded at all.. infact the blackberry curve is looking pretty right about now. I've been surving this country for 12 years in the USAF. Waiting for this new upgrade to come out is sorta small compared to current events and you would understand if you were in my shoes.
Thanks
edbutler said:
I think this poster has as much chance of getting an honest answer getting information about WM6 from a gypsy then tech support from AT&T. Poster is making a Joke (true) but a joke none the less. Don't be so sensitive!
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At least somebody here gets the point I was trying to make. The bottom line is that there is no way of knowing what AT&T, or Verizon, Or T-Mobile, or anyone is going to do at any time. It does not matter what anyone says here. If I create a fake avatar with the AT&T logo and pretend I am the CEO of AT&T and tell you it will be released tomorrow, will you believe me? If you do, what happens when it does not show up? I truly appreciate any info anyone gives here...HONESTLY I DO!!! I just happen to think this is all very funny, so I am trying to lighten things up.
I gotta go now. My numerologist is here to tell me who is going to win the presidential election.
Alright,, thats enough for me,, i'm done posting.. period.
dma1965 said:
At least somebody here gets the point I was trying to make. The bottom line is that there is no way of knowing what AT&T, or Verizon, Or T-Mobile, or anyone is going to do at any time. It does not matter what anyone says here. If I create a fake avatar with the AT&T logo and pretend I am the CEO of AT&T and tell you it will be released tomorrow, will you believe me? If you do, what happens when it does not show up? I truly appreciate any info anyone gives here...HONESTLY I DO!!! I just happen to think this is all very funny, so I am trying to lighten things up.
I gotta go now. My numerologist is here to tell me who is going to win the presidential election.
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Really?!?!?!
jhowle said:
Alright,, thats enough for me,, i'm done posting.. period.
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Do you really get offended with dma post?
You are a trully "boçal" my friend!!!
Good luck on your dumb life...
i come on here to try to offer advise and generally be helpful, i didn't come here to get my balls busted on every post i make so I am through, sorry i dont wanna be part of verbal abuse.. like I said, you wont be hearing from me anymore
Didn't you just say that in your last post.
Don't go away mad! Relax put your feet up and crack open a cold beer, You are taking things a bit to serious. We enjoy hearing from you and thank you for your frank criticism. Now go jump in a lake!
My Treo can beat up your Treo.
Wow, he now has the "Official" link
jhowle said:
i come on here to try to offer advise and generally be helpful, i didn't come here to get my balls busted on every post i make so I am through, sorry i dont wanna be part of verbal abuse.. like I said, you wont be hearing from me anymore
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So you mean we won't be hearing from you anymore *in this thread*.
Well any of you gurus of the cell phone know how to go about this?''
THANKS
You're unlikely to get any help on this, since the number one reason to change an IMEI is to get around a network block on a stolen phone. Most of the people here paid a lot of good money for their phones, and don't want to give any assistance to thieves (whether you are one or not makes no difference, any information posted here could easily help or encourage others to steal and crack these phones).
Changing IMEI's is illegal in many countries anyway, so there's a good chance you'd be committing a crime just by doing it, even if the phone is yours.
IMEI changing is going to get you sore!
EDIT: Oh and search, this has been discussed to death on here before.
Dave
superchargedrs said:
Well any of you gurus of the cell phone know how to go about this?''
THANKS
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Oh, its really easy. Just take your phone to your local police station. They will provide you with the further instructions. HTH.
I vote this thread be closed!
kimtyson said:
I vote this thread be closed!
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+1,
and stop stalking me, My Subscriptions is full of post's last updated by you lol.
Dave
Dave- LOL! I guess you and I are the only ones with time on our hands. Sorry for stalking. Take care.
kimtyson said:
Dave- LOL! I guess you and I are the only ones with time on our hands. Sorry for stalking. Take care.
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Im stuck doing a boring risk analysis (I'm a Software Developer, normally) at work. Every 5 minutes I get distracted and end up on here.
Dave
The good news is that we have successfully hijacked this potentially illegal thread.
ok first we need to debunk a few things. One if some crackhead stole a phone they wouldnt go through all this trouble to sell a phone when they could just sell it on the street or craigs list for that matter. On top of that this is my phone I dont need to steal a few hundrad dollar phone.
Two as far as it being a crime I know that my local law enforcemnt A probablr doesnt even know what a imei is nor do they care as they have enough real crimes and speeding tickets to write, this reminds me of cutting that tag off a matress.
Three I did do a search with allot of this bs on the black helicopters are going to get you crap, but the threads had little usefull data...people how is this diffrent from spoofing a mac or breaking the sim lock lol reach down grab your balls and wake up!
Now I doubt I would go through much trouble to bother with this (I havent even loaded a new rom), so could someone amuse me with this?
why do you want to do this?
i only ask in reason of morbid curiosity...
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ok first we need to debunk a few things. One if some crackhead stole a phone they wouldnt go through all this trouble to sell a phone when they could just sell it on the street or craigs list for that matter. On top of that this is my phone I dont need to steal a few hundrad dollar phone.
Two as far as it being a crime I know that my local law enforcemnt A probablr doesnt even know what a imei is nor do they care as they have enough real crimes and speeding tickets to write, this reminds me of cutting that tag off a matress.
Three I did do a search with allot of this bs on the black helicopters are going to get you crap, but the threads had little usefull data...people how is this diffrent from spoofing a mac or breaking the sim lock lol reach down grab your balls and wake up!
Now I doubt I would go through much trouble to bother with this (I havent even loaded a new rom), so could someone amuse me with this?
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I think the problem is that if xda devs provides information on how to change the imei they could be held accountable. Todays curent climate of terrorism bs that the security services make up to justify thier own existance means if you change ur imei they can slam you with some trumped up charge (or atleast in this country).
People who change thier imei have something to hide, or so they say. Sim unlocking isnt classed as that bad, and for mac spoofing I cant comment.
There was a thread somewhere discussing theory, but I havent seen it in a while. I cant post a link cos im on opera mini. There was some good info in the link i posted by vijay.
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Another though, think of it as changing your VIN number on your car, why would you ever want to do such a thing.
Also, I have re-read the vijay post now, and theres a link to a site where you can get more info. Please read V's advice, don't get us into trouble and be nice to each other .
Dave
PS sorry for going off topic.
superchargedrs said:
ok first we need to debunk a few things. One if some crackhead stole a phone they wouldnt go through all this trouble to sell a phone when they could just sell it on the street or craigs list for that matter. On top of that this is my phone I dont need to steal a few hundrad dollar phone.
Two as far as it being a crime I know that my local law enforcemnt A probablr doesnt even know what a imei is nor do they care as they have enough real crimes and speeding tickets to write, this reminds me of cutting that tag off a matress.
Three I did do a search with allot of this bs on the black helicopters are going to get you crap, but the threads had little usefull data...people how is this diffrent from spoofing a mac or breaking the sim lock lol reach down grab your balls and wake up!
Now I doubt I would go through much trouble to bother with this (I havent even loaded a new rom), so could someone amuse me with this?
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oh well that makes it all better after you point it out like that.
Maybe we should tell him.
superchargedrs said:
ok first we need to debunk a few things. One if some crackhead stole a phone they wouldnt go through all this trouble to sell a phone when they could just sell it on the street or craigs list for that matter. On top of that this is my phone I dont need to steal a few hundrad dollar phone.
Two as far as it being a crime I know that my local law enforcemnt A probablr doesnt even know what a imei is nor do they care as they have enough real crimes and speeding tickets to write, this reminds me of cutting that tag off a matress.
Three I did do a search with allot of this bs on the black helicopters are going to get you crap, but the threads had little usefull data...people how is this diffrent from spoofing a mac or breaking the sim lock lol reach down grab your balls and wake up!
Now I doubt I would go through much trouble to bother with this (I havent even loaded a new rom), so could someone amuse me with this?
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Go grab your own balls, FFS. You think we should "amuse" you with information that makes these phones more stealable, more re-sellable, more targetted by crims? Forget that. If the information is already out there somewhere, you get off your arse and go find it. If it isn't, good.
I love it when people hoard information, being the king of there own little hill. Well I will find what I am looking for later I guess (like I said I am in no rush), I just like knowing what your not sposed to know...ya know lol
As far as stealbility (sp?), you guys DO REALIZE that the people that steal phones and stuff of that ilk don't think that far ahead...right??? If they cant sell the phone the probably just through it out, though in the end of the day its is the same for the guy that gets his phone stolen.
-S
What????????????????? Was that english?
here's the truth:: no one here knows how. but instead of just saying so, they love gettin on
a high horse and spittin out morals..
especially when they dont know what they are talking about.
they will keep extra change from a cashier or an ipod found in a gym, but thats different isnt it?
just sheep here..
some do work hard to provide roms etc..
if you want really out of the ordinary things, you will find few here..
some are groundbreaking, like chainfire and others. if anyone knows where to find info, its them.
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I love it when people hoard information, being the king of there own little hill.
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yes i quite like it up here with my encylopedias thanks
no-one on here will know anything about IMEI spoofing or changing, and tbh no-one here with any self respect wants to know. they are (for the most part) happy with their phones/devices and have no need/want to fool around with something so blatantly illegal.
the only people that will want to know are scum-of-the-earth crims.
enough said, i join the vote to close/delete this thread.
amkaos said:
here's the truth:: no one here knows how. but instead of just saying so, they love gettin on
a high horse and spittin out morals..
especially when they dont know what they are talking about.
they will keep extra change from a cashier or an ipod found in a gym, but thats different isnt it?
just sheep here..
some do work hard to provide roms etc..
if you want really out of the ordinary things, you will find few here..
some are groundbreaking, like chainfire and others. if anyone knows where to find info, its them.
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Thank you so much for being the official spokesperson for the board.
I agree with quasi_mojo. Close this stupid thread.
just FYI not sure if anyone has seen this douche bag. appears he is making a nice living off of your guys' hard work. i think this user should be made an example of. anyone with any ideas?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250421549454
yeah he is making a killing selling those.
Probably hasn't sold any, but I reported.
derekwilkinson said:
Probably hasn't sold any, but I reported.
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Check his feedback profile..
You'll weep when you see how many CDs he sold for 50 pop EACH!!!
derekwilkinson said:
Probably hasn't sold any, but I reported.
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ya nearly all his feedback ratings are from $50 a pop on that cd. he's got over 150 positive feedbacks. i also reported prior to the original thread posting cuz thats just wrong imo.
yes Im danielmex_83
jajaja i sent him a message wanna see it? hahaha just for fun you know!
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there are many people that loves everything easy... even if it cost 50 bucks.
Thats insane. I can't even begin to imagine the people that have been scammed out of 50 bucks for stuff that is completely free. And no credit to those that developed the software. Shame
He answers me!
HAHAHAHAH well I ask him if he can shipp the cd to the bermudas triangle!
he answers...
hahaha didnt you live on Mexico? hahahaha god damn! this guy is so funny!
I sent a question as to why he sells things that are free to find, he replied with:
"I charge mainly for the tutorial and personal assistance. I throw in all the apps, etc. in as a bonus. I have donated to the programmers and it took hours and hours of how to figure this stuff out and what to install first, etc."
I don't think there's much wrong with this, although AUD$60 is a bit much and I disagree with "All of these games, apps and themes are easily worth over $800" as they are (mostly) free.
I think we need some of the opinions of the devs who's software is on this CD.
^^^ Well he is not lying, he is NOT scamming anyone. I mean, yea he makes money off this, but he has just taken all the effort we enjoy, playing around with stuff... some users just want to have everything handed to them, and with support AU$60 is pretty good if I were non-geek.
He is noy doing anything illegal, I think some ppl are jealous? report? for what?
I've seen ppl sell freeware before, it is not illegal if he is adding something beneficial to the sale (his tuts and support).
I don't hate, but that's just me!
Is it over priced.. YES, is it a scam... NO! Is it wrong.. Maybe... Is it illegal... NO!
But it goes against an unwritten code, but thats it.
If i offered a service to install MS Office 2007 and tech support it for 3mths for 50 bucks, nothing wrong with that... right? Software vendors LIVE off this 'support'.
Anyway, it has broken a code and I see where you guys are pissed, but reporting? c'mon get over it.
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I sent a question as to why he sells things that are free to find, he replied with:
"I charge mainly for the tutorial and personal assistance. I throw in all the apps, etc. in as a bonus. I have donated to the programmers and it took hours and hours of how to figure this stuff out and what to install first, etc."
I don't think there's much wrong with this, although AUD$60 is a bit much and I disagree with "All of these games, apps and themes are easily worth over $800" as they are (mostly) free.
I think we need some of the opinions of the devs who's software is on this CD.
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I think what he is doing is partly illegal, at least in reference to s2u, on the page of A_C it's stated directly under freeware licence "You are NOT allowed to make a charge for distributing this Software whether as a stand-alone product, or as part of a compilation or anthology, without explicit prior written permission." Probably there is something similar about other apps/games on the CD, at least I could imagine Microsoft and google are providing something similar. Whether he donated to the programmers or not don't changes anything about his permissions applying there software.
x86 said:
^^^ Well he is not lying, he is NOT scamming anyone. I mean, yea he makes money off this, but he has just taken all the effort we enjoy, playing around with stuff... some users just want to have everything handed to them, and with support AU$60 is pretty good if I were non-geek.
He is noy doing anything illegal, I think some ppl are jealous? report? for what?
I've seen ppl sell freeware before, it is not illegal if he is adding something beneficial to the sale (his tuts and support).
I don't hate, but that's just me!
Is it over priced.. YES, is it a scam... NO! Is it wrong.. Maybe... Is it illegal... NO!
But it goes against an unwritten code, but thats it.
If i offered a service to install MS Office 2007 and tech support it for 3mths for 50 bucks, nothing wrong with that... right? Software vendors LIVE off this 'support'.
Anyway, it has broken a code and I see where you guys are pissed, but reporting? c'mon get over it.
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Hi everybody, and thanks x86 for not posting like drdrew and Que. I have been selling these disks and guess what? I am not the first or the last to do it. I bought an HTC phone and wanted to make it cool like the stuff I found on the internet for FREE. However, I had NO clue of how to do it. I didn't know you had to install NETCFsetup35 first. I didn't know you had to install Batteryand Performance Hack, then SDKcerts, then finix, etc in THAT order. These are things that took a while to learn how to do. I couldn't find a thread on what, how or when to do these things and I am pretty computer literate. Someone else was selling the phones with the programs on them first and I decided I would write an easy to understand tutorial and sell my own disks so others could enjoy. This is called free enterprise.
I don't and never have taken credit for anyone's work and have donated to the sites I have gone to and talked with a few of the programmers. Bongsu has awesome themes and I have donated to vicotts site after he said that's where the money should go. I donated to XDA. PPCgeeks as well. Have I talked to all of them? No. I could take ALL the apps, themes and games off and the tutorial I created is worth it alone. Not only that, but many of my customers have had to call me and ask for support. I have spent hours on the phone helping some people who are completely computer illiterate step by step to make their phones so fun and cool. I offer the disks at $50 with a Best Offer option as well. Some people buy for $40 and some for $35. x86, It's not overpriced when you consider the support. Just like you said, companies make a TON of money on support. I was just offered the great deal of $129.99 from Dell to help me resolve a ONE-time issue with my computer. Support costs money.
I guarantee if you ask any of the people who have bought the disk, not a one of them feels scammed. Why would they? I talk them through it to help them. The tutorial is very easy to understand but some people are not savvy. Actually, I have had many of my customers tell me I am not charging enough! That's no joke. I started at $24.99 and was told over and over I was charging too LITTLE! Why would any programmer be upset as there programs are on more phones? That's why they are created; to have fun and make phones look cool. But there was nobody to help me and many others understand HOW to do it!
The people buying these disks have seen many of the programs on the internet and know they are out there for free, yet they still buy my tutorial. I include the urls to PPCgeeks and XDA in my tutorial as well as other sites. That way they can then do it for themselves after they learn how to do it from me the FIRST time.
I simply sold what most people like, the easy route. And I just thought it would be cool to put a bunch of programs on the disk to get these people started! All the things I have put on that disk are found on the internet for FREE, Except for TWO things; my tutorial and phone support. I charge for that. If you have a problem with that, you are free to feel that way. If you want to pay my cell phone bill, let me know. But the fact is, nobody who has purchased this disk has come back to say they want their money back. I have 100% feedback. That should tell you something.
Edit: If someone wants to contact me, feel free to do so but name calling and insults are childish.
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Edit: If someone wants to contact me, feel free to do so but name calling and insults are childish.
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This account has been banned for being a sock-puppet.
Please use your real account "Sho'nuff" for replying to questions like these Roy.
EqX
Thanks Equinox
Its been a while since i have see you on wizard forums, jejeje long time ago i think since manilla 2d comes to town, thanks for let us know that this guy, maybe a memeber from here makes a new user saying want to clear thinks up... want? or wish i could? moron!
Im so angry about this! Really. but what can i win? nothing but healty decrease so lets over this situation.
Well this guy contacts me telling me ebay has some policy's and dont allow to post the logo! well i will edit only... my... Screenshots... and post the screenshot of his PM to me.
To let you know how this guys operate his dirty tricks i mean is not illegal no no no i know I know if he wants to earn some bucks showing his ass on the street please make it where nobody can see you, is immoral!
well here you go (just to have truth on my words)
wanna the reply here it is...
Want to Clear Things Up said:
You know, I would appreciate you taking down your posts. I answered your questions honestly and did nothing wrong to you. eBay also has a strict policy of using their logos and posting private emails on a public thread. I think if you read my email on this thread, you will see what I offer is a tutorial and personal assistance and am not scamming or hurting anyone. You have your right to say you don't like it and that's fine, but again, I would appreciate you taking down the screen shots.
Also, if you look on eBay, you will see there have been others who have done it. There is someone else selling a disk right now and someone selling a phone with the programs on it.
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OK! its fine for me, but only if you go to the forum where you saw that screenshoots and post this same words... if you dont do it i will, then, i will edit my posts, I think the administrator of this site will be happy with this agreement.
Cheers dude! see you later.
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Dont support this kind of people they never will have sense of good things or bad things, be smart guys be more than this guys, learn more and more you will love this machines, really and can support the learning growing up this lazy mankind we are turning into.
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Its been a while since i have see you on wizard forums, jejeje long time ago i think since manilla 2d comes to town, thanks for let us know that this guy, maybe a memeber from here makes a new user saying want to clear thinks up... want? or wish i could? moron!
Im so angry about this! Really. but what can i win? nothing but healty decrease so lets over this situation.
Well this guy contacts me telling me ebay has some policy's and dont allow to post the logo! well i will edit only... my... Screenshots... and post the screenshot of his PM to me.
To let you know how this guys operate his dirty tricks i mean is not illegal no no no i know I know if he wants to earn some bucks showing his ass on the street please make it where nobody can see you, is immoral!
well here you go (just to have truth on my words)
wanna the reply here it is...
Dont support this kind of people they never will have sense of good things or bad things, be smart guys be more than this guys, learn more and more you will love this machines, really and can support the learning growing up this lazy mankind we are turning into.
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I may as well write this on the public forum since it seems you are the dirty one who cannot keep a private conversation private. Also, I created the other name so people wouldn't flood my regular email so I created a new email and name for that. But guess what? Not a single email has come to me with a problem or insults. Actually, I got an email from someone on this thread telling me I did a great job explaining.
And by the way, your screenshots still show eBay licensed information. Your posting of a private email on a public forum doesn't go over well either. I will ask you to remove them again. XDA is a great site and doesn't need trouble because of your posts.
Hey Ben, I mean Equinox, you should do the right thing and take down the screenshots if Mr. Que here doesn't decide to. Or should I just contact the administrator?
I find it quite funny you come on here using words like moron and how angry this makes you when in reality you have not created any of these programs. Maybe it's possible you're jealous that you don't have the common sense to write a tutorial and offer support to folks who want their phones to have these great features and at the same time turn a little profit? Not all people who buy these phones know anything about these apps, themes and games. I was a first time Win Mo user and had NO idea about this stuff. Try to look at the positive aspect. Many more people know about these great things and HOW TO INSTALL them. That's what you're not getting. You seem to think the people who bought this disk are lazy. No, they are not as computer savvy as some of us are. They need help. And when I went to forums to find out stuff, it was SO much info to take in that I just about said forget it. And I wasn't sure about viruses or what to install or what needed to be installed, etc.
I have 13 sent messages in my outbox from March that I sent to people asking for help when I first joined this site. Guess how many answered? ZERO. I finally found someone who helped me, and it wasn't from this site, and then I took off from there. It's not lazy QUE, but I think you know that. Or maybe you don't. How did YOU come to learn how to do these things? How did most people on these forums? They are either IT's, creators, real computer savvy or got help from someone. Well, I am one who waited about a month after getting my phone to finally find someone to help me.
So I decided to offer assistance to other people which includes phone support. Do you have a cell phone QUE? Do you pay your own bill? They're not free, are they? Also, you never mentioned the fact that I have donated and talked with some of the actual programmers. No, you seem to just listen to what you want and write what will incite others.
And the fact is, people were doing this BEFORE me, selling phones with all the programs on them for $500 when I bought my phone back in March. I didn't need another phone, I just needed to learn how to get the programs. So that's what I offered to others. And to be able to actually call me and I would walk them through it step by step. Read the feedback and you will see that. There was another guy selling the disks before me and ALL he had on them was apps and themes and games and no phone support. People came to me because they needed help. Too bad you only look at the negative and try to paint me as a bad person. The people who bought my disk don't think so and love these forums.
That's a whole other realm you don't even realize. I have sold a few of these disks and that means, a whole new group of people have come to these sites, like XDA and PPCGeeks and likely have donated to get a new theme, etc. or have contributed in some other way. And it also brings in more clicks to these sites. Did you know that or even think about that?
I have been truthful and can walk away from this with my head up high as I know I have helped so many other people. I don't post private messages, I don't use childish insults. I came here to try to set the record straight. I believe I have done so. Obviously not with you Que, but that's okay. People will always disagree in this world.
What I don't understand, is why so many people without a vested interest in this, are getting so worked up about it. What this guy did was very enterprising, very illegal, but very enterprising.
It is not up to anyone but the developers of the apps, to go after this guy. If you go by the feedback alone, he has sold $7500 worth of other peoples work. That is not chump change.
The courts have been very clear on this, most recently with music sampling. If you sample someone elses music on your rap CD, be prepared to pay. Record companies have already had to pay big bucks for artists who have been caught sampling on their CDs. This is nothing more than sampling.
Being a semi-professional writer, I will also say that one does not need to professionally copyright his work in order for the court to side with the original publisher against someone trying to profit from their work. How many times do you see people suing songwriters and screenwriters for stealing ideas , thoughts and passages. Many times the courts have sided with, and movie companies have been forced to settle with, people who have proved that an idea was originally theirs, even without an " official " copyright.
Trying to prove that he wasn't selling the apps, just the instruction and support, is very shaky legal ground indeed. But it is up to the original publishers of the programs to sue for their share of the profits, I hardly think it is worthwhile for us to bicker about it.
denco7 said:
What I don't understand, is why so many people without a vested interest in this, are getting so worked up about it. What this guy did was very enterprising, very illegal, but very enterprising.
It is not up to anyone but the developers of the apps, to go after this guy. If you go by the feedback alone, he has sold $7500 worth of other peoples work. That is not chump change.
The courts have been very clear on this, most recently with music sampling. If you sample someone elses music on your rap CD, be prepared to pay. Record companies have already had to pay big bucks for artists who have been caught sampling on their CDs. This is nothing more than sampling.
Being a semi-professional writer, I will also say that one does not need to professionally copyright his work in order for the court to side with the original publisher against someone trying to profit from their work. How many times to you see people sueing songwriters and screenwriters for stealing ideas , thoughts and passages. Many times the courts have sided with, and movie companies have been forced to settle with people who have proved that an idea was origanally theirs, even without an " official " copyright.
Trying to prove that he wasn't selling the apps, just the instruction and support, is very shaky legal ground indeed. But it is up to the original publishers of the programs to sue for their share of the profits, I hardly think it is worthwhile for us to bicker about it.
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Dude, your math is way off. I sold some HTC phones too, so maybe that's how you added about $6,000 wrong lol. I sold maybe 40 CD's and many people didn't even pay $50. I let some go for as little as $25. You also didn't include how muh eBay and Paypal take out for their fees. As far as illegal, most of the developers say if you want to share, include the url where it came from. I also donated to those programmers.
But I did agree with you on the fact that it was enterprising, thanks. My tutorial is what sold. My personal assistance is what sold. If you read the feedback you will see that. These people now have the ammo to search and find more and know HOW to do it.
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I think what he is doing is partly illegal, at least in reference to s2u, on the page of A_C it's stated directly under freeware licence "You are NOT allowed to make a charge for distributing this Software whether as a stand-alone product, or as part of a compilation or anthology, without explicit prior written permission." Probably there is something similar about other apps/games on the CD, at least I could imagine Microsoft and google are providing something similar. Whether he donated to the programmers or not don't changes anything about his permissions applying there software.
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I completely agree. I think if a wrote a small tutorial on Firefox and packaged it with firefox 3 and sold it on ebay for $50, it would be quite an issue. This is no different. Just because you're dealing with an individual's product instead of a corporation doesn't give you the right to package it without there permission, when they intended for it to be free, and sell it for money. This would be PERFECTLY FINE if he was selling tutorials for the products, noting that they are 100% free applications, and that you are being charged for the tutorials. However, leading people to believe that they are getting a great deal on tons of apps is awful and dishonest.
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As far as illegal, most of the developers say if you want to share, include the url where it came from. I also donated to those programmers.
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you said MOST, not ALL., can you see the difference?
But I did agree with you on the fact that it was enterprising, thanks. My tutorial is what sold. My personal assistance is what sold. If you read the feedback you will see that. These people now have the ammo to search and find more and know HOW to do it.
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You are not advertising your personal assistance, you are advertising the applications.
See the difference?
So yes, you are ILLEGALLY selling software (freeware) from which is known that the authors (like A_C) don't want to be redistributed.
As far as "personal assistance" goes, well I have read into your posts, you are far from an expert on Windows Mobile to say at least.
I am closing this thread before any valued (actually contributing) senior member is going to cross the line and have to face punitive actions.
As for you, since you obviously ignore this:
S2U2, S2P & S2V are being distributed as Freeware. It may be freely used, copied and distributed as long as it is not sold, and all original files are included, including this license. You are NOT allowed to make a charge for distributing this Software whether as a stand-alone product, or as part of a compilation or anthology, without explicit prior written permission.
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, actions against you are being taken.
Regards to the actual contributing members,
EqX
a warm hello to everyone...
the purpose of this thread is only to get my point across...
it might get closed, but, let me try!!!
as a buyer here, i'd like to get a phone as
described by the seller. i'd expect that i get every penny's worth that i pay!!!
as a result, i'd prefer dealing with someone who
has been here for a good amount of time, had plenty of legit posts, some feedbacks- u see, they make me trust the seller and enter into dealing with him!!!
ah nuggy!!!! you've made that condition into thin vapour!!!
it came as a shock when he was on the other side- a scammer!!! so well, maybe that acted as a catalyst and some people here might be thinking that this mp would go dead, so lets make something out quickly!!!
and we've seen so many people suffering here of late, inspite pf new rules and everything!!!
since i got the g1, i've been looking here for the
betterment of my devices...and i thank this lovely platform!!!
coming back to the scams...
well, there are some amazing members like
charlie, dutch, mally, warrior, juzz and many
others- i just remembered a few, sorry to others, but u all are great!!!
i believe xda should, acting as a platform where we get real nice deals at the market place, be entitled to a % or 1$ out of every transaction that takes place... and that fund should help some of those on the bad side of a scam... or the great devs here... but there might be people who would misuse such an effort by the community... and thus there would be strict rules for that too...
and the concept of a middleman.... that can be
great... my lack of understanding of america's
geography would require some of you here to put this in a better way... but it could be possible...
or better, the transferred money goes into an xda account, and then transferred to the seller once the buyer gets it... tracking and all legal details need to be provided... and xda keeps a $ out of it for the community!!!
unless someone gets a local deal, ofcourse!!! i dont know if all this is practical and realistic or
not, but it's something we can think about... it's better to pay a $ here than having 400$ or so
gone into thin air!!
mods, sorry if this is wrong...
but just had to get this across...
all you people.... THANKS
Should i copy and paste my response from the same thread in the other section>
greeky510 said:
Should i copy and paste my response from the same thread in the other section>
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lol
ur wish
Tried reading that, now my head hurts...
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yeah that thread was closed for a reason, lol.
As is this one.
The user you refer to no longer has access to the MP.
alokated said:
i believe xda should, acting as a platform where we get real nice deals at the market place, be entitled to a % or 1$ out of every transaction that takes place... and that fund should help some of those on the bad side of a scam... or the great devs here... but there might be people who would misuse such an effort by the community... and thus there would be strict rules for that too...
and the concept of a middleman.... that can be
great... my lack of understanding of america's
geography would require some of you here to put this in a better way... but it could be possible...
or better, the transferred money goes into an xda account, and then transferred to the seller once the buyer gets it... tracking and all legal details need to be provided... and xda keeps a $ out of it for the community!!!
unless someone gets a local deal, ofcourse!!! i dont know if all this is practical and realistic or
not, but it's something we can think about... it's better to pay a $ here than having 400$ or so
gone into thin air!!
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This is a legal minefield and simply not feasible. Sorry.